Comments about ‘LDS Church researchers call massacre documents a 'web of conflicting information'’

Thats the lamest thing I have heard spew from the church in awhile. Brigham Young had everything to with the Mountain Meadow massacre. I cannot believe you people. Denying this is a very bad image for Brigham Young. He was the leader of the pack and you are now making him look like a liar.

This headline changed dramatically from an ealier one declaring that Brigham Young did not order the massacre. In the first article the second in command historian of the mormons was quoted as saying something to the effect that the available evidence leads him to conclude BY did not order the slaughter. One online commenter to that article claim the authority's postion was one of uncertainty and that BY was not absolved. However, after my comment directing the shill to read the 2d paragraph of said article containing the direct quote, unequivocally absolving BY, the article vanished from the web and was replace by this pablum. So yes it is lame. Be well.

So what if Brigham Young did have something to do with this, do you want him to stand trial and be executed? Or how about a church discipline court, or maybe he should be replaced? Whoever did this, it was wrong and it was terrible and I would not condone for a minute the person who did it, but please those who know Brigham Young did it, show all the writings and documents that are proof of this, or did you talk to someone who was there? Oh wait, there are ten sides to this story, now before you decide what side, go outside right now, in the dark and come back and describe everything that you notice. Let's all do this and let's see if we all see, smell, hear and feel the same things, well of course we will. My point exactly!

All of you people have to get over the Mountain Meadow massacre. No one really knows what happened! What about all the Latter Day Siants that were killed in Missori and Illinois?!?! Woman were raped,,kids were killed they were forced out by other religions. I understand peoples family members were killed but its not like the people actually knew them. Someone was killed in my family before I was born and its not like every year I have to make a big deal about it. Until we know what actually happened which we never will you all need to shut your moths and get off the LDS churchs back! BIGOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My friends it is high time we lay the mountian meadow massacree(sp) to rest;along with Slavery, the war with Japan,the dropping the atomic bomb and all the other tragic things that took place in our country. there is nothing to be gained by keeping it alive. let the lord sort it out. okay?

I would be very surprised if Brigham Young had anything to do with it. The reason is this. He had plenty of other opportunities, starting back in Nauvoo, to take people out. But he didn't. There is no pattern to suggest any involvement whatsoever.
You Mormon haters just need to get over it.

Jim 12:28, Great points. My line of thinking goes the same way as yours on this topic.
There is no pattern to suggest that Brigham Young used violence and killings to attack those that may have meant the saints harm.
People seem to take this tragic and isolated event and build a huge imaginary story that condems Brigham Young and the church when in reality there is very little solid evidence that would have one come to that conclusion.

Statement of: "All of you people have to get over the Mountain Meadow massacre. No one really knows what happened! What about all the Latter Day Siants that were killed in Missori and Illinois?!?!"

You sounded very uncomfortable that the truth might be found out?

How can you make a statement that they'll never will find the truth?

Why are you so scared of the truth?

Are you and your LDS religion truth seekers or not?

Perhaps people like you and the LDS church are seeking what's convenient, such as, oh, it's conflicting, or, we'll never know the truth.

By the virtue that the information is conflicting, instead of clear cut, the big question is why would it even be conflicting at all? If there is clear evidence of innocence, then there is clear evidence.

Why would there be even a hint of suggestion to the contrary? Such evidence to the contrary should not exist on the slightest to make solid conclusion.

If I were a murdered, I would certainly destroy every evidence that would point to me. If the LDS church is guilty, then why wouldn't they do the very same thing?

Hence, evidenciary records are long gone.

So... how do you know the truth? If Brigham Young was not responsible, there would be no evidence pointing to him. If he was, he would have destroyed all the evidence (your point). Either way there is no evidence and you have to decide what you want to believe.

I would be more interested in knowing what BY did afterwards, what process was put in motion to find out the truth and prosecute the guilty parties. How long did the Stake leaders in Cedar City and elsewhere remain in place before they were investigated and let go?

Was anyone excommunicated for their participation? What did BY say he learned from the experience and how did express regret?

Finally, I have observed that no matter how forthcoming church leaders are about modern day issues, the press and anti-mormons cannot seem to tell the story without bias and sloppy facts. How can we hope to understand Islam when we can't even get the straight scoop on the Mormons??

We need to cover Brigham Young's tracks, we don't want anyone to know he did anything wrong in his life...Ha ha! Geez! whats wrong with you people? Do you think no one in this world but you has a brain? People can read and go figure things out for themselves? I believe B.Y. knew darn well what happened before hand. It's always easier for a leader to cover his tracts rather then own up to his a part in a tragedy and let his idiot followers take the entire blame. What a shame. I'm not going for it.

It seems to me that anyone who would claim a belief that Brigham Young ordered the attack is basing their position on complete and utter conjecture.

As the LDS authorities have stated, this event was a reprehensible act which is so gruesome it is difficult to contemplate. I agree with this statement. Be that as it may, I find it interesting that nobody seems to take an interest in understanding or explaining the conditions these LDS pioneers were subjected to prior to making such an awful decision. Nobody would take such horrific actions unless placed under their own set of horrific circumstances. I'm not trying to excuse their actions in the least, but I think it helps to understand the bigger picture.

As for anyone who would discount the apparent conclussions of this book, or would press forward with accusations of culpability aginst Brigham Young, I would say please present the proof.

Alternatively, let's theorize that irrefutable proof existed. The result would be a terrible pronouncement of guilt upon a church leader, not the church itself. There are examples of prophets in the bible that fell from their calling due to sin, without calling into question Christ's church.

Given that none of those who are commenting or about to comment on this article, including myself were actually there or knew anyone that was there (directly there that is), I find it incredible that people will quickly criticise Brigham Young or others. It was a very sad and tragic time in history. Those who made the decision to fire the first shot or several shots will be the ones to be judged. Just like those at Haun's Mill and other tragic incidents.

WE may not have been there , but we had folks that were there. Brigham Young had GA's there. Brigham Young instigated the whole event.

One doesn't have to study too many records by contemporaries of the situation before concluding that it is a mistake to judge events of another era and of unprecedented circumstances by today's standards and modern sensibilities. (I have studied a few of those records. Have you?)
Among other things it is difficult for us to fathom the impediments to communication they faced and the power of rumors when there was no internet, telephone or even 5:00 news to refer to.
I've got better things to spend my time on than stressing about wrongs done to my ancestors in another century. Don't you?

Conspiracy theory is what those without proof or that have an axe to grind use to explain events. In this country a man is innocent until proven guilty. THE ASSUMPTION LEGALLY IS THAT HE IS INNOCENT; thank heavens otherwise we might as well go back to the Middle Ages before the Magna Carta.

A comment earlier said that Mormons are nervous that "the truth will be found" and therefore they say the records are inconclusive, to cover Brigham Young's tracks. Where is your proof? Prove him guilty. And IF you can do that conclusively, remember you are condemning him by today's standards, not those existing at the time. Remember, for instance, for over a hundred years it was legal to kill someone by "gentelmenly means". You are putting today's understandings and values on people that are now 150 years removed from us. Those who keep this alive and seek to destroy the church are grasping at straws and would say anything, to their own spiritual condemnation, to try to keep this conspiracy theory alive.

The beauty of a testimony is that it's personal and is not dependent on the righteousness of a man or the amount of bigotry from non-believers.

"I've got better things to spend my time on than stressing about wrongs done to my ancestors in another century. Don't you?"

NO!

Congratulations that you feel and era of time that has passed means that neither justice nor truths should be sought. After all, what's the point of regurgitating Mormon pioneers and their sufferings when it's only stressing the pass that has absolutely no bearing to us whatsoever.

The point of searching for truths that happened in another century is no less important then searching for truths that happened in another millenia, such as when Christ came. Or even many millenias such as when Cain killed Abel.

Are these histories a waste of time to you? If not, why not? After all, the things that happened thousands of years ago has no indication or connection to our time, or does it?

So, do you find reading the Bible, the Book of Mormon to be a time waster, all because it's old stuff?

Perhaps, it's not the event of another century that is boring, but it's the truths behind the event that can very well affect the millions of Mormons, today, and tomorrow.

Oh, the damage it can cause!

Your sad words of: "You are putting today's understandings and values on people that are now 150 years removed from us. "

Tell me where in the history of this country, today or otherwise, have the standard that differs from our "modern" perception that murder is murder, and the killing of children would be justified?

Is this destroying the church?

No one needs to destroy the church, which so many Mormons thinks is the agenda of non-Mormons, because the church can destroy itself with its own actions and words.

We often think that empires are so powerful that it cannot be brought down to its knees, yet, the great empires of Greece, Roman, Ming Dynasty, British, everyone of them, as powerful as they were, have ceased their powerful dominion.

Any church on this earth will crumble as Christ will bring it to their knees.

This includes the Mormon church.

It's been prophesied that Salt Lake City, will become one of the most evil cities. So, you're not immune.

Christ seeks only the righteous, and they're not only found in the LDS church, far from it.

Neither will the unrighteous be only found outside of the Mormon church.

So, to take the poor me, I am a victim type of stance is the saddest way of getting sympathy. Kids always blames their behavior as something not of their fault, and telling dad that he hit me first doesn't make the bruises and cuts be justifiable.

This is how Christ rules, but you may have a different belief than His.

So, don't you worry, the paranoia of non-Mormons creating a conspiracy against the Mormons is something you have the right to feel, and I know that this feeling began when the church began. Some true, but perhaps, today, that theory have long disappeared, as I don't hear another Governor Boggs wannabe calling for an extermination order.

The hurt that happened to the members since the very beginning have not healed yet, even to this day.

The event of the massacre are from the very same hurt that caused the murders in the first place.

Take it in the chin, and say, we are hurt, and want the pain to go away by living our religion as taught by Christ.

No man can take the pain away from the entire church, not even non-members who "conspire".

But He can.

Let's see the evidence is totally conflicting. That means someone made part of it up because both can't be true.

How do you determine the truth. Well, you pick and choose those that agree with what you have already decided are correct and ignore the rest. There is no looking to see which is possibly false, just ignore. It's called conformational bias and it is alive and well in this world. Ignore anything that might disprove what you hold to be true. Accept anything at face value simply because it agrees with what you have already decided. Stay off juries, all of you, you'd hang innocent people in a heartbeat.

grasping at straws and would say anything, to their own spiritual condemnation, to try to keep this conspiracy theory alive. Yes a true conspiracy it is without doubt.
Looks like the LDS church are keeping it alive for all of us. Let's all go read something new. doubtful!