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Appeals court rules Texas acted improperly in removing FLDS children
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Show me | 2:27 p.m. May 22, 2008
Can someone link me to a site where some evidence supports any Violence
committed by the flds, any? If they are extremists they are extremely peaceful,
more than I would have been for sure.
wrz | 2:28 p.m. May 22, 2008
"Who watches the watchers?"
Bloggers.
Bloggers.
Sokol | 2:36 p.m. May 22, 2008
Texas CPS Nazis have finally taught us what the
tourist slogan is for Texas: "Its like a whole
other country." Funny thing is there is probably
real incest in the background of all of the Texas
CPS native purported investigators. When you
investigate to prove your point of the people you
work for...isn't that called being prejudicial.
tourist slogan is for Texas: "Its like a whole
other country." Funny thing is there is probably
real incest in the background of all of the Texas
CPS native purported investigators. When you
investigate to prove your point of the people you
work for...isn't that called being prejudicial.
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wrz | 2:37 p.m. May 22, 2008
<<The mothers and children need to be de-programmed.<< - Trish
Callahan
You need to read and reread the First Amendment to the US Constitution.
You need to read and reread the First Amendment to the US Constitution.
waiting for evidence | 2:38 p.m. May 22, 2008
"Slow Down" is right. This is an ongoing investigation. This is not
over. If/when evidence is found of abuse, the individuals responsbible for the
abuse and/or other illegal activity should be held accountable.
Children must be protected, but an entire community should not be judged on rumor or speculation. There must be evidence. Without reliable evidence, taking children away from their parents is nothing more than
thuggish behavior, even if perpetrated by our own government.
Children must be protected, but an entire community should not be judged on rumor or speculation. There must be evidence. Without reliable evidence, taking children away from their parents is nothing more than
thuggish behavior, even if perpetrated by our own government.
To G | 2:41 p.m. May 22, 2008
You advice should be: Once you get your kids back, get away from the FLDS
Church and give your kids a chance to live a happy life free of marriage to an
older man, free of sharing your husband with multiple wives, being able to begin
your childbearing years as an adult rather than a young teenager, not being
afraid of the world, enjoying an education, practicing a religion that
doesn't use scare tactics and threats, free of fear, and filled with fun,
joy, happiness, and true love.
NO matter where they go after this ordeal, they need to consider the future for their children. These women had their chance to get away, but they are so brainwashed, that they will return right back to the lives they know and unfortunately the children will be trapped there again.
It's too bad the world doesn't see this as abusive. If a child is locked in a room and told what to think, eat, read, learn, etc. anywhere else in the country, we call it abuse. But, because it is a "religion", we see it as acceptable.
I hope someday we wake up.
NO matter where they go after this ordeal, they need to consider the future for their children. These women had their chance to get away, but they are so brainwashed, that they will return right back to the lives they know and unfortunately the children will be trapped there again.
It's too bad the world doesn't see this as abusive. If a child is locked in a room and told what to think, eat, read, learn, etc. anywhere else in the country, we call it abuse. But, because it is a "religion", we see it as acceptable.
I hope someday we wake up.
Samme | 2:44 p.m. May 22, 2008
>>Their lawyers who defend "civil rights cases" will tell them
that there is ZERO chance that any FLDS parent or child will prevail in a 42 USC
1983 case because the children were seized pursuant to a court order and sent to
foster homes pursuant to a court order.<<
Then sue the court which produced the bogus order. Someone has to pay for this fiasco. Someone has to reimburse these FLDS for all the expenses and trauma, pain and suffering they have been put though.
Then sue the court which produced the bogus order. Someone has to pay for this fiasco. Someone has to reimburse these FLDS for all the expenses and trauma, pain and suffering they have been put though.
Go Texas | 2:44 p.m. May 22, 2008
Congrats to Texas for doing what AZ and UT didn't have the gall to
do....oh, wait a minute, I mean congrats AZ and UT for not exposing your
residents to costly lawsuits and doing things LEGALLY. How will these children
be returned to their mothers....the same way they were taken out, in Baptist
buses? I think not. Not only is no one above the law, no state is above the
law either. I hope that polygamy and child abuse are exposed and dealt
with...legally.
JWW | 2:50 p.m. May 22, 2008
Wonderful news. It will be even better when CPS and the courts comply with the
decision and return all of the children. This travesty of justice has been hard
not to take personally since I grew up in the FLDS religion, though I never
lived in a religious community. I was never abused and don't know anyone
that was married underage.
One thing this case should demonstrate is the importance of electing judges, officials and representatives that understand and follow the Constitution. Remember that when you go to vote this year.
One thing this case should demonstrate is the importance of electing judges, officials and representatives that understand and follow the Constitution. Remember that when you go to vote this year.
not so fast... | 2:57 p.m. May 22, 2008
so lets see...the FLDS agrees with some texas courts ruling, and disagrees with
other texas court rulings....hmmmm what a shock!
I smell a supreme court hearing
I smell a supreme court hearing
RE: Weighing in | 2:58 p.m. May 22, 2008
You took the words right out of my mouth. In stories up until today's story
broke there was a strong wave of posts in favor of the raid. If this is not seen
as a wake up call, America, the country and Constitution is clearly on thin ice.
How people, the media and even talk radio can sit by day after day and allow
themselves to be manipulated by this gossipist propaganda shows we parallel with
1930's Germany more than anyone will care to admit. For those who scream
polygamy is a crime, on a lot of books so is adultery and homosexuality illegal.
When those using this "but they are lawbreakers" angle scream that
adulterers (most of the country in that case) and homosexuals have no right to
keep their children I will give respect to their argument, otherwise the FLDS
critics are nothing more than hateful Nazi bigots in my book. WE MUST NOT LET UP
ON criticizing this abomination until the schoolgirlish judgemental perpetrators
of this horrific raid are brought to justice and the CPS agencies in every state
are investigated for similar abominations (on a lower scale) and reparations are
FULLY made. (I'm not FLDS)
Interloper | 2:58 p.m. May 22, 2008
So, today is Gloating Day for the FLDS and its followers. They should enjoy
themselves while they can. The state will likely file its appeal of this vague
ruling next week, possibly Monday. Tantrum Day will follow.
Furthermore, the ruling does NOT apply to all the children in protective custody. There is evidence they have been sexually and physically abused. Another puzzler is that this court ignored the psychological abuse any child living in the FLDS environment endures.
Furthermore, the ruling does NOT apply to all the children in protective custody. There is evidence they have been sexually and physically abused. Another puzzler is that this court ignored the psychological abuse any child living in the FLDS environment endures.
COSMO | 3:00 p.m. May 22, 2008
Re:Slow Down People 2:01,The "Text Book" is called the Constitution! I
did not know that we have laws for, "Fringe Groups",as opposed to laws
for individual American citizens.
realitycheck | 3:02 p.m. May 22, 2008
to Sokol 2:01pm
yes - the court did have a positive verdict for the parents. It's just too bad it wasn't a positive verdict for the children. So again you and your kind choose religion (the parents) over the children. Good job.
yes - the court did have a positive verdict for the parents. It's just too bad it wasn't a positive verdict for the children. So again you and your kind choose religion (the parents) over the children. Good job.
curious | 3:02 p.m. May 22, 2008
the proverbial "fat lady" hasn't sung yet. This is a ruling by
One judge in One appeals court. The battle will rage on, AND...Texas now has
enough information to "carefully watch" the FLDS going forward. DNA
results aren't in for example and having sexual relations with cousins etc
is against Texas law. If any welfare has been collected they will go over
filings with a fine tooth comb. Bigamy is against the law. etc etc. Texans have
big appettites but not for crow. Anybody (outsiders, meaning non-Texans)who
thinks they are going to move to Texas and "show them a thing or two about
a thing or two" is insane LOL. Wait watch and see.
GREED | 3:02 p.m. May 22, 2008
I'm certain the Attorneys will profit most of the money on this whole FLDS
scheme of things. Lawyers will say anything to rip someone off! They are the
phoniest bunch of people on the face of this planet. They survive on GREED!
RE: Wylde Hare | 3:08 p.m. May 22, 2008
I also find it funny most the people supporting the FLDS also voted to ban gay
marriage.
SJ | 3:07 p.m. May 22, 2008
Southern Girl:
I'm sorry for your anger and hatred; try putting differences aside; this has nothing to do with the mormon's and it's not about you either. These women and children are under severely abusive circumstances - let's keep the focus on the issue. This isn't a forum for you to vent your hatred, which only causes misery and heartache.
I'm sorry for your anger and hatred; try putting differences aside; this has nothing to do with the mormon's and it's not about you either. These women and children are under severely abusive circumstances - let's keep the focus on the issue. This isn't a forum for you to vent your hatred, which only causes misery and heartache.
This aint over yet | 3:11 p.m. May 22, 2008
The FLDS are not in the clear yet. The kids aren't back at the ranch. This
is an ongoing investigation. Just wait until the DNA and the evidence come
out...
Not FLDS | 3:12 p.m. May 22, 2008
It amazes me that people keep posting after every article that these people are
breaking the law because they are practicing polygamy. They would be, IF they
were LEGALLY married to more than one wife. However, these people are LEGALLY
married to only one wife; many have other "spiritual" marriages to
several more wives. However, they are not breaking the law any more than a man
who is married to one woman and has another woman (or women) on the side.
The majority of my college students are involved in relationships and are even having children without being married. They are not breaking any civil laws either. Some of the men have relationships with more than one woman. According to the way many of you are reasoning, they are also living in polygamy and are therefore breaking the law.
While I may disagree with the teachings of the FLDS and even more so with the morals of many of my students, I recognize that none are breaking any civil laws.
Many want to give certains freedoms to gays but deny them to OTHER consenting adults with different lifestyles.
Think about all those people who appear on the Maury show.
The majority of my college students are involved in relationships and are even having children without being married. They are not breaking any civil laws either. Some of the men have relationships with more than one woman. According to the way many of you are reasoning, they are also living in polygamy and are therefore breaking the law.
While I may disagree with the teachings of the FLDS and even more so with the morals of many of my students, I recognize that none are breaking any civil laws.
Many want to give certains freedoms to gays but deny them to OTHER consenting adults with different lifestyles.
Think about all those people who appear on the Maury show.
Anonymous | 3:13 p.m. May 22, 2008
"Grandma Gloria" said the onions needed harvested on KXAN news. She
needs some helpers to help her. I think it is precious that children are being
taught the good 'ol fashioned way to spend their time. Nothing wrong with
helping out with a garden. I believe that is the way God intended it. I
don't think the person that posted the nonsense about child labor laws has
children. Next, it will be a crime to wash dishes. :) go figure.
re: Re: Mormons | 2:04 p.m. | 3:15 p.m. May 22, 2008
Your information is inaccurate.
Whether the LDS like it or not, The FLDS do in fact refer to themselves as �Mormons� as do several other splinter groups. The term �Mormon Fundamentalist� was coined in the 1940�s by LDS Apostle Mark E. Petersen. Up until recently, the LDS were offended if they were referred to as �Mormons.� Now the LDS want �Mormon� to be referred exclusively to them to avoid any confusion with apostate groups. Doubtful though, that the LDS have exclusive legal right to the term �Mormon� as many other religious off-shoot groups have used it for many years, and we don�t see the LDS Church suing anybody for infringement. The AP style guide was nothing more than a recommendation from the LDS Church to request exclusive title of �Mormon,� when referencing the church in the media to avoid any confusion. You should not by any means refer to the AP style guide as a legal authority to support your opinion that the LDS are the only �Mormons� out there.
Whether the LDS like it or not, The FLDS do in fact refer to themselves as �Mormons� as do several other splinter groups. The term �Mormon Fundamentalist� was coined in the 1940�s by LDS Apostle Mark E. Petersen. Up until recently, the LDS were offended if they were referred to as �Mormons.� Now the LDS want �Mormon� to be referred exclusively to them to avoid any confusion with apostate groups. Doubtful though, that the LDS have exclusive legal right to the term �Mormon� as many other religious off-shoot groups have used it for many years, and we don�t see the LDS Church suing anybody for infringement. The AP style guide was nothing more than a recommendation from the LDS Church to request exclusive title of �Mormon,� when referencing the church in the media to avoid any confusion. You should not by any means refer to the AP style guide as a legal authority to support your opinion that the LDS are the only �Mormons� out there.
Deaf Ears | 3:23 p.m. May 22, 2008
Excellent ruling for now. But not a time to celebrate just yet. Watch out FLDS
they are plotting to come after you individually before they return your
children. CPS will not give up their persecution. When all the children are safe
and back in their mother's arms keep looking over your shoulder because CPS
will camp on your doorstep looking for any mistake. CPS agencies are an evil
entity that should be destroyed in every state of the Union.
hey reality check | 3:29 p.m. May 22, 2008
Apparently you didn't read the appeals court ruling which stated that there
was NO EVIDENCE for any of the things you are spouting. Do you understand the
concept of not bearing false witness? Do you understand the word libel? It
seems you understand neither. Again, the court ruled and you are WRONG!
realitycheck | 3:30 p.m. May 22, 2008
to Ing 1:59pm - "Calling the FLDS the Taliban? "reality check"
commenter, you need a reality check."
So - pls explain how the FLDS rules differ from the Taliban. I'm all ears (or eyes).
How are women treated? how are children taught? Pls compare the freedoms of thought and movement and choice.
I'm very interested, because from what I can see, they are practically the same. (And if you say "they don't kill", I would ask that you look for the dogs in Colorado City.)
So - pls explain how the FLDS rules differ from the Taliban. I'm all ears (or eyes).
How are women treated? how are children taught? Pls compare the freedoms of thought and movement and choice.
I'm very interested, because from what I can see, they are practically the same. (And if you say "they don't kill", I would ask that you look for the dogs in Colorado City.)
re: Re: Mormons 3:15p.m | 3:31 p.m. May 22, 2008
I'm FLDS and we never say we are mormons. At least we aren't anything
like the break away LDS church. We are very different in our beliefs. The LDS do
not follow the old way nor the true way.
For your information!3:15
For your information!3:15
Hurray! | 3:34 p.m. May 22, 2008
The court ruled that the removal of the children was wrong since there was NO
EVIDENCE of ANY wrongdoing on the part of the parents or even the community.
While CPS may ultimately find there were crimes committed, you would do so given
those same numbers in my subdivision. What I do not understand is why the court
originally allowed the removal when BOTH the FLDS expert AND the court
psychiatrist testified that there should not be a removal of all children and
that such was not in their best interest. Apparently CPS knew better than two
experts in the field. Oh wait, the appeals court just ruled that CPS was wrong.
To curious | 3:37 p.m. May 22, 2008
The appeals court isn't ONE judge. If there is an appeal it goes to the
Supreme Court...that isn't one judge either.
G | 3:38 p.m. May 22, 2008
"to G 1:49pm -
these people don't have a culture. they have a dictatorship, run by a madman."
Hey realitycheck, I think you need to calm down. Maybe take an anger management course.
"So your advice to FLDS is "get out of Texas"? "
No. Maybe you should work on your basic literacy skills too.
these people don't have a culture. they have a dictatorship, run by a madman."
Hey realitycheck, I think you need to calm down. Maybe take an anger management course.
"So your advice to FLDS is "get out of Texas"? "
No. Maybe you should work on your basic literacy skills too.
realitycheck | 3:38 p.m. May 22, 2008
to Show Me 2:27pm
I can't get you to a website but there have been many questions about the killing of all the dogs in Colorado City under direction of FLDS leadership. One day there were dogs and the next they were dead and buried. If they can take out an entire poulation of defenseless dogs, imagine what they do to their children behind closed doors..
btw - FLDS doesn't deny killing the dogs - they just change the subject....
I can't get you to a website but there have been many questions about the killing of all the dogs in Colorado City under direction of FLDS leadership. One day there were dogs and the next they were dead and buried. If they can take out an entire poulation of defenseless dogs, imagine what they do to their children behind closed doors..
btw - FLDS doesn't deny killing the dogs - they just change the subject....
To: Bob Bo | 3:40 p.m. May 22, 2008
In none of your examples were the 12 to 16 year olds FORCED to have sex with an
older man.
If you can't see the difference between a couple of teenagers fooling around and a 50 year old man forcing himself upon an innocent 14 year old girl, then you really need some serious reprogramming.
If you can't see the difference between a couple of teenagers fooling around and a 50 year old man forcing himself upon an innocent 14 year old girl, then you really need some serious reprogramming.
Ben | 3:42 p.m. May 22, 2008
Its about time those children where returned to there homes. You put criminals
in jail not children or there mothers. One judicial system of Texas did a
terrible injustice and its about time the rest of Texas comes around and
corrects that mistake. Go after the abuser's and not the families should be
the lesson learned. Those are good non-violent religious people.
Fred | 3:43 p.m. May 22, 2008
>>Hopefully these criminal probes/investigations are for practicting
polygamy. A woman on the ranch said the kids need to return soon because the
onion crop needs to be harvested. Hopefully abuse of child labor laws are
prosecuted as well.<<
Having your kid go out and help with gardening is not against the child labor laws.
As a matter of fact is good for the kids to get out from in front of the TV and help a little.
Having your kid go out and help with gardening is not against the child labor laws.
As a matter of fact is good for the kids to get out from in front of the TV and help a little.
G | 3:44 p.m. May 22, 2008
"Those that use the Book of Mormon may be considered Mormon, so Strangites,
FLDS, LDS, and even RLDS/Community of Christ all may use the term even if LDS
don't want it."
I tend to agree, but I understand why the church considers this such a sensitive issue. It's about branding, really. Interestingly RLDS/CoC don't want to be called Mormons. I'm not sure why, it may be because they're trying to be a fully mainstream group.
I tend to agree, but I understand why the church considers this such a sensitive issue. It's about branding, really. Interestingly RLDS/CoC don't want to be called Mormons. I'm not sure why, it may be because they're trying to be a fully mainstream group.
Baptist in Texas | 3:45 p.m. May 22, 2008
Please do not file all Baptist into one overzealous group. I for one am
overjoyed at the ruling today. The removal of an entire community of children in
a military style raid scared alot of Texans as this was a civil rights issue.
Although if any evidence of abuse was found, those individual cases should be
pursued. I just wondered where all the concern for underage pregnancies is in
our state on a general basis. This group was targeted and any group could be
next. We all have to stand up for basic rights or lose them a little at time by
doing nothing. "Hiding behind the constitution?" You are one very
scary person. The consitution protects everyone's rights. I guess it's
ok to deny someone else's rights as long as it is in line with your
beliefs. As stated earlier...you (your group) could be next. Hooray for
following the law and some real justice in Texas. Governor Perry did not have
the guts to step in, (did not want to embarass state agencies) and this inaction
will be remembered at election time.
wrz | 3:46 p.m. May 22, 2008
>>Ya'll are still forgetting one thing. Polygamy is
illegal.<<
It may be. But teaching polygamy is protected by the First Amendment.
Further, offspring of polygamist relationships, incest, rape, adultery, etc., are not criminals.
It may be. But teaching polygamy is protected by the First Amendment.
Further, offspring of polygamist relationships, incest, rape, adultery, etc., are not criminals.
Concerned | 3:50 p.m. May 22, 2008
This was the right thing for the appeals court to do, however, now I think the
focus should be on what it should have been all along: an agressive criminal
case against those who are abusing the laws and the children.
For those who want to practice their beliefs within the laws, lets stop persecuting them and turn our efforts to the real problem.
For those who want to practice their beliefs within the laws, lets stop persecuting them and turn our efforts to the real problem.
Why NOT? | 3:51 p.m. May 22, 2008
This was predictable. The same thing happened when Arizona invaded Short Creek.
They had to give the children back and Governor Howard Pyle was defeated in the
subsequent election. Regardless of the belief system, children are better off
with their mothers. The Fundamentalist have values despite their beliefs.
re-D | 3:51 p.m. May 22, 2008
"If anyone thinks this is the end of the game, guess again. Those kids are
going to be caught between different courts for a long time to come.
And lets be serious, if anyone knows anything about Texas Baptists, it's that their stubborn and persistent. Do you really think their going to take this lying down? Now the FLDS really has a problem"
Does anyone else see anything wrong with this statement? Or maybe an indication of the pervasive attitude that allows one arrogent group to try to trample the civil liberties of another. This is disgusting.
And lets be serious, if anyone knows anything about Texas Baptists, it's that their stubborn and persistent. Do you really think their going to take this lying down? Now the FLDS really has a problem"
Does anyone else see anything wrong with this statement? Or maybe an indication of the pervasive attitude that allows one arrogent group to try to trample the civil liberties of another. This is disgusting.
Mormon nickname | 4:00 p.m. May 22, 2008
""Those that use the Book of Mormon may be considered Mormon, so
Strangites, FLDS, LDS, and even RLDS/Community of Christ all may use the term
even if LDS don't want it."
Your argument is specious. Even though the Strangites, FLDS, and Community of Christ believe in the Book of Mormon, they DO NOT refer to themselves by the nickname "Mormon."
Those that insist that the nickname applies all of these groups are either ignorant, or they are deliberately trying to cause confusion.
Using the same argument, you could refer to everyone who believes in the Holy Bible as "Bibles."
Your argument is specious. Even though the Strangites, FLDS, and Community of Christ believe in the Book of Mormon, they DO NOT refer to themselves by the nickname "Mormon."
Those that insist that the nickname applies all of these groups are either ignorant, or they are deliberately trying to cause confusion.
Using the same argument, you could refer to everyone who believes in the Holy Bible as "Bibles."
To interloper | 4:01 p.m. May 22, 2008
No, actually, there's not evidence that they have been physically and
sexually abused. CPS claims to have evidence, but it has yet to bring it forth,
and what evidence they presented at the first hearing was insufficient to show
any abuse took place. Yes, the state will appeal, but that appeal will get shot
down immediately. The local judges and the CPS have violated numerous
Constitutional rights and there's not a court outside of San Angelo that
will argue otherwise.
Alex | 4:01 p.m. May 22, 2008
To "re: Re: Mormons"
I completely understand the right of anybody who wants to call themselves Mormon to do so for whatever reason they want even if they are not LDS. I really do understand that argument.
That said, perhaps I can illustrate why we are careful to distinguish. Suppose for a moment that you are evangelical lutheran born-again Christian. Now suppose for a moment that the FLDS changed what they called themselves from "Mormon" to "evangelical lutheran born-again Christians" and that every time a news story came on, the press now uses the term "evangelical lutheran born-again Christians" to refer to this group. No big deal. Live and let live. Hey, imitation is the highest form of flattery. However, now lets say that everyone at work is now telling you how you need to fix your problems with your people. Lets go further and say that the press is now bombarding your place of worship with questions that you are in no position to answer and with accusations that have nothing to do with you.
I freely admit that FLDS share similar beliefs. That doesn't mean, however, that we own their actions, be they good or bad.
I completely understand the right of anybody who wants to call themselves Mormon to do so for whatever reason they want even if they are not LDS. I really do understand that argument.
That said, perhaps I can illustrate why we are careful to distinguish. Suppose for a moment that you are evangelical lutheran born-again Christian. Now suppose for a moment that the FLDS changed what they called themselves from "Mormon" to "evangelical lutheran born-again Christians" and that every time a news story came on, the press now uses the term "evangelical lutheran born-again Christians" to refer to this group. No big deal. Live and let live. Hey, imitation is the highest form of flattery. However, now lets say that everyone at work is now telling you how you need to fix your problems with your people. Lets go further and say that the press is now bombarding your place of worship with questions that you are in no position to answer and with accusations that have nothing to do with you.
I freely admit that FLDS share similar beliefs. That doesn't mean, however, that we own their actions, be they good or bad.
Anonymous | 4:04 p.m. May 22, 2008
Ancestor of mine, was� burried alive�
at Brussels, 1597, because she was an anabaptist.(Anna v.d.Hove)
A courageous women, who backed herself and kept in touch with her own, innerself and even with her own persecutors.
A real personality, despite male, rel. suppression. She knew she would die as long as she would back herself.
But in this sect (2008) a woman can only get into heaven, if she marries a man at the compund ,who has a total different "agenda". In this sect one doesn�t have �an inner self�.
It�s all been occupied by the male leadereship. These women don�t have the slightest idea of the content of �I�, or �Me�.
Some succeeded in escaping.
One wrote a book about her life in that sect; Escape
Greetings from Amsterdam, Alfredo, 1951.
A courageous women, who backed herself and kept in touch with her own, innerself and even with her own persecutors.
A real personality, despite male, rel. suppression. She knew she would die as long as she would back herself.
But in this sect (2008) a woman can only get into heaven, if she marries a man at the compund ,who has a total different "agenda". In this sect one doesn�t have �an inner self�.
It�s all been occupied by the male leadereship. These women don�t have the slightest idea of the content of �I�, or �Me�.
Some succeeded in escaping.
One wrote a book about her life in that sect; Escape
Greetings from Amsterdam, Alfredo, 1951.
James | 4:07 p.m. May 22, 2008
A Great day for strengthening the exercising the principles the United States
Constitution.
to RealityCheck bashers | 4:12 p.m. May 22, 2008
there IS evidence of abuse, the evidence is in the books written by bitter
ex-wives. If my ex-wife wrote a book about me and that evidence was used against
me I am shure I would go to prison. If however they looked at other evidence I
am shure the case would be dissmised. So there IS evidence, but when the appeals
court LOOKED at other evidence it overturned the ruling.
thats how I see it anyways
thats how I see it anyways
Back OFF! | 4:13 p.m. May 22, 2008
The Baptists need to keep their ugly face out of the FLDS beliefs. It is none of
their business. Baptists do not rule the planet like they think. Besides, their
religion has no real basis as coming from God. Their religion is a HOAX! FLDS is
the only true church.
Doug S | 4:12 p.m. May 22, 2008
Hey, Realitycheck--
If, as you say, a civilization that kills dogs will also kill children, I advise you to visit your local animal shelter and ask them to show you what they do with unadopted dogs.
I suspect that you will then either back off your rather ludicrous statement, or sell your house posthaste.
If, as you say, a civilization that kills dogs will also kill children, I advise you to visit your local animal shelter and ask them to show you what they do with unadopted dogs.
I suspect that you will then either back off your rather ludicrous statement, or sell your house posthaste.
Sokol | 4:12 p.m. May 22, 2008
In reality, it would be nice if we could lift the
iron clad judicially created veil of immunity and
throw the JUDGE and the CPS workers in jail for
fraudulently violating the constitutional rights
of these parents and children...
iron clad judicially created veil of immunity and
throw the JUDGE and the CPS workers in jail for
fraudulently violating the constitutional rights
of these parents and children...
shigz | 4:13 p.m. May 22, 2008
wow... the modern mind. If these girls were knocked out by someone at their
high school none would care or say anything. Being knocked up by someone
willing to marry you and its pure evil apparently.
I feel the same way about how adultery is joked about at work by the same people who are "horrified" by polygamists!
Sex with a stranger or friend is natural but to actually take some responsibility is definitely the predatory thing to do according to you all. The stupidity and hypocrisy on these boards make me sick. Just as sick as older men marrying teen girls. Of course "cougars" and older females who prey on younger men are considered funny or cool.
I feel the same way about how adultery is joked about at work by the same people who are "horrified" by polygamists!
Sex with a stranger or friend is natural but to actually take some responsibility is definitely the predatory thing to do according to you all. The stupidity and hypocrisy on these boards make me sick. Just as sick as older men marrying teen girls. Of course "cougars" and older females who prey on younger men are considered funny or cool.
realitycheck | 4:15 p.m. May 22, 2008
well I guess I'll quit posting since it goes in one ear and out the
other.
But for the record - anyone that forces ancient practices onto their childen and doesn't give them information about other ways is abusing their children. These are innocent children that look up to you. You should want them to have as much information as possible so they can form their own opinions rather than hiding them from the world.
You are denying them the ability to have a life of their choosing - to even have their own thoughts. Those of you that say "it's my children - I'll raise them as I see fit" could not be more wrong. That statement in itself shows that you believe the children belong to you as property, not individuals with a future.
Raise them to be good people, to be kind to all life, to repect others, and to help the weak. And then let them spread their wings and fly. God created a big world out there. Let them enjoy it.
Information is a good thing - it frees the mind and spirit.
Just my opinion.
But for the record - anyone that forces ancient practices onto their childen and doesn't give them information about other ways is abusing their children. These are innocent children that look up to you. You should want them to have as much information as possible so they can form their own opinions rather than hiding them from the world.
You are denying them the ability to have a life of their choosing - to even have their own thoughts. Those of you that say "it's my children - I'll raise them as I see fit" could not be more wrong. That statement in itself shows that you believe the children belong to you as property, not individuals with a future.
Raise them to be good people, to be kind to all life, to repect others, and to help the weak. And then let them spread their wings and fly. God created a big world out there. Let them enjoy it.
Information is a good thing - it frees the mind and spirit.
Just my opinion.
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