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Appeals court rules Texas acted improperly in removing FLDS children
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wiser now | 1:12 p.m. May 22, 2008
The big cry to sue is from people who likely never have. We had a foster child
wrongly removed after 3 years. 3 years later - and $40,000 poorer we learned
you can't fight city hall. As to the ACLU - at that time they were busy
making sure a KKK member got on the presidential ballot.
R | 1:12 p.m. May 22, 2008
It's amusing how claims of child abuse shut down rational thought - if
it's alleged by any one, it must be true, no evidence necessary! And
it's also amusing how some people think that anyone outraged by the actions
of the Texas CPS must be [F]LDS. Me, I'm an agnostic who was raised
Catholic.
Lady | 1:16 p.m. May 22, 2008
Keep Sweet! Ugh
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John | 1:19 p.m. May 22, 2008
We who constantly posted on this issue knew this would have to happen so long as
there is any justice. Finally! A decent honest court! Finally Justice for the
Children, the Fathers and Mothers!
I only hope that the closed minded bigots who have cheered on this travestly can learn what honesty and justice means.
I only hope that the closed minded bigots who have cheered on this travestly can learn what honesty and justice means.
To hamm | 1:21 p.m. May 22, 2008
I like your comment--"we are only as free as our most oppressed
neighbors." That is how the FLDS have lived ever since. They have taken a
LOT of abuse from people in UTAH and ARIZONA and now TEXAS for no other reason
than prejudice. Accusation before investigation has made many a good person pay
for the uneducated decisions of those in authority. I'm grateful there are
some honest in heart in this USA. To all who keep saying that "now the
children will loose because they will go back to an abusive situation," The
CPS and DFPS has had 45+ days to ivestigate any abuse or to find any. NONE HAS
BEEN FOUND!!! HEAR IT- YE ACUSERS!! BACK YOURSELF UP WITH SOME EVIDENCE!!
Perhaps CPS can knock on your door next and we will see how you fair the
tide.--The children have been emotionally+ abused by the CPS--That is were the
ABUSE is happening until those children are back to their mothers.
Red Rob Reb | 1:21 p.m. May 22, 2008
I had a neighbor who collected welfare and taught her children left wing liberal
concepts. I want the to CPS raid her house and haul off all the kids because I
don't like what is being taught. And her family has a history of underage
children getting pregnant.
Abe | 1:24 p.m. May 22, 2008
Please tell me again where these people (FLDS) get their money. They don't
have any apparent businesses at the ranch, and they don't deal with
outsiders any more than they have to. Do the faithful at Hilsdale/Chort Creek
send all their money to the Texas ranch? If so, that's quite a racket they
got going there.
Josh Dobbins | 1:29 p.m. May 22, 2008
Southern Girl:
It is important that you understand that there are roughly 10 thousand members of the FLDS church who are called "Mormons", which practice polygamy.
By contrast, there are more than 13 million members of the LDS church, who are also called "Mormons" but who are completely unaffiliated with the FLDS church, who do not practice polygamy.
To put all "Mormons" together in a statement like the one you made is like putting Muslims and Catholics together in the same religion, because they all believe in God.
It is important that you understand that there are roughly 10 thousand members of the FLDS church who are called "Mormons", which practice polygamy.
By contrast, there are more than 13 million members of the LDS church, who are also called "Mormons" but who are completely unaffiliated with the FLDS church, who do not practice polygamy.
To put all "Mormons" together in a statement like the one you made is like putting Muslims and Catholics together in the same religion, because they all believe in God.
Re: R | 1:32 p.m. May 22, 2008
What's so amusing
...about any of this?
...about any of this?
transplant | 1:32 p.m. May 22, 2008
DeseretNews: The new ruling does not affect an ongoing ciminal probe into the
activities at the ranch. "I expect those investigations to go on
independently" said Rod Parker, attorney acting as spokesman for the
FLDS
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Hopefully these criminal probes/investigations are for practicting polygamy. A woman on the ranch said the kids need to return soon because the onion crop needs to be harvested. Hopefully abuse of child labor laws are prosecuted as well.
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Hopefully these criminal probes/investigations are for practicting polygamy. A woman on the ranch said the kids need to return soon because the onion crop needs to be harvested. Hopefully abuse of child labor laws are prosecuted as well.
G | 1:32 p.m. May 22, 2008
"CPS loses their ability to protect the kids from abuse."
No. They just have to follow the laws of Texas.
No. They just have to follow the laws of Texas.
Phil | 1:33 p.m. May 22, 2008
"Who's fooling who", there were No abused children other than in
people's demented minds. There are No charges, nothing but a pack of CPS
lies. The real victims are the FLDS and people who make up lies about them are
the real and only chronic abusers. Spreading hate is child abuse, and the people
who falsely accuse are the abusers.
Adam | 1:37 p.m. May 22, 2008
Ya'll are still forgeting one thing. Polygamy is illigal.
realitycheck | 1:40 p.m. May 22, 2008
well, the Taliban will get their children back, just as expected. (Y'all
didn't really think this was permanent, did you?)
The good thing is now that they have seen some of the real world. And before they go back, CPS will make sure they understand that there is a whole big world out there waiting for them. All they have to do is ditch their overzealous religious-extremeist mind-controlling freedom-destroying zombie parents and their hand-me-down Taliban prophet, and start making decisions and forming opinions for themselves.
Just the drive from the compound to different cities is more than they've ever seen. I wouldn't be supprised if FLDS had blacked out the windows when they took them to Texas in the first place, and those kids that were born there have never been off that ranch before. Now they know - there's more to life than making babies or working a construction site for no pay. Unbelievably, the girls probably saw women that have actual careers. Oh the horror!!
Its a great day - but as we all know, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink....
The good thing is now that they have seen some of the real world. And before they go back, CPS will make sure they understand that there is a whole big world out there waiting for them. All they have to do is ditch their overzealous religious-extremeist mind-controlling freedom-destroying zombie parents and their hand-me-down Taliban prophet, and start making decisions and forming opinions for themselves.
Just the drive from the compound to different cities is more than they've ever seen. I wouldn't be supprised if FLDS had blacked out the windows when they took them to Texas in the first place, and those kids that were born there have never been off that ranch before. Now they know - there's more to life than making babies or working a construction site for no pay. Unbelievably, the girls probably saw women that have actual careers. Oh the horror!!
Its a great day - but as we all know, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink....
Re: R | 1:40 p.m. May 22, 2008
I agree, and hate when people say (and the courts) "the truth must be
somewhere in the middle".. That rationality prevents anyone from being
innocent even if they really are! CPS goes on this and lables innocence
"denial" and sends you for psych testing and if you come back still
claiming innocence, they take your children because your "denial" puts
them in danger. I believe some people are telling the truth and innocent and
HATE when people say the truth MUST be in the middle.
CPS reforms needed! | 1:40 p.m. May 22, 2008
The sad thing is CPS has unrestrained, broad-reaching power all over the US. By
the time the cases get to the courts, the damage has been done. CPS should be
removing only the children who are in immediate danger, and yet they're
notorious in all states for their abuse of power.
CPS actually came into my home and removed two little girls who I babysat for because their mother was accused of neglect (supposedly her home was filthy, but I had never been there). The CPS worker obnoxiously told me that he did not need a warrant to enter my home and take these children while their mother was at work. We argued because I refused to release the girls to a stranger, because they were under my care at the time, and the jerk called the police on me! It's time for people to demand CPS reforms and limit the power. Require evidential affidavits and warrants to remove children. Judges can sign search warrants 24/7, there's no reason why judges shouldn't be required to examine evidence and issue warrants to remove children. Not everyone who gets tangled in the web of CPS� supremacy can afford a lawyer.
CPS actually came into my home and removed two little girls who I babysat for because their mother was accused of neglect (supposedly her home was filthy, but I had never been there). The CPS worker obnoxiously told me that he did not need a warrant to enter my home and take these children while their mother was at work. We argued because I refused to release the girls to a stranger, because they were under my care at the time, and the jerk called the police on me! It's time for people to demand CPS reforms and limit the power. Require evidential affidavits and warrants to remove children. Judges can sign search warrants 24/7, there's no reason why judges shouldn't be required to examine evidence and issue warrants to remove children. Not everyone who gets tangled in the web of CPS� supremacy can afford a lawyer.
John Lambert | 1:41 p.m. May 22, 2008
To RRR I am sure you could contact Rozita and arrange for her to claim to be a
resident at that house. Just make sure that there is no way for CPS to claim
you are in the same household as your neighbor, because they might swoop in and
take your children too if there is a way to argue a large household.
Wylde Hare | 1:43 p.m. May 22, 2008
The amazing thing is, that I'll bet that same people who are condemning the
FLDS faithful and bemoaing the court ruling that upholds their Constitutional
rights are the same people who have "Celebrate Diversity" bumper
stickers on their Volvos!
R | 1:42 p.m. May 22, 2008
You're right. "Sad" would probably be a better word. This whole
affair, and many other instances of CPS powergrabs I've come across, make
me nervous about ever having children. And the gullibility of people who think
there has been any abuse proven?
The Solution | 1:44 p.m. May 22, 2008
The basic problem that led to all of this, is the demonizing of polygamy in the
first place. It is this demonization that led to the insular society that fell
under the power of Warren Jeffs who is nothing but a nut case. The underage and
arranged marriages began (or at least proliferated) under him. If the FLDS were
wise, they would disavow Jeffs and choose a new, more moderate leader, and then
go on their way, and obey the law.
And to those of you who say, "but polygamy is against the law" I would say, fine. Let the men have one legal marriage, and if they choose to "spiritually marry" other consenting adults, and exercise responsible care for those relationships, then so be it. It would not be lifestyle that I would choose, but what makes it so inherently "evil" in society's eyes? Instead of sleeping around, or having mistresses on the side, these men marry multiple women, raise families, and act responsibly. Honestly, which is worse? Again, the underage and arranged marriage, and marriage of close relatives is way out of bounds, but that is all an unfortunate consequence of society demonizing polygamy in the first place.
And to those of you who say, "but polygamy is against the law" I would say, fine. Let the men have one legal marriage, and if they choose to "spiritually marry" other consenting adults, and exercise responsible care for those relationships, then so be it. It would not be lifestyle that I would choose, but what makes it so inherently "evil" in society's eyes? Instead of sleeping around, or having mistresses on the side, these men marry multiple women, raise families, and act responsibly. Honestly, which is worse? Again, the underage and arranged marriage, and marriage of close relatives is way out of bounds, but that is all an unfortunate consequence of society demonizing polygamy in the first place.
FLDS | 1:44 p.m. May 22, 2008
yes! can't wait to get hitched to a 14 year old! thanks appellate court!
R | 1:44 p.m. May 22, 2008
Adam: You're forgetting that not all illegal behavior is child abuse - and
that many of the YFZ households were monogamous.
To: Gloating FLDS | 1:45 p.m. May 22, 2008
Just because some of us are glad to see that these children are being returned
to their homes and parents doesn't mean we are FLDS. We are just relieved
to see that a judge in the state of Texas feels compelled to rule accoriding to
the law.
RE: Sad Day | 1:46 p.m. May 22, 2008
Think about this: Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little
Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
This statement was used as a motto on the title page of An Historical Review of the Constitution and Government of Pennsylvania, written by a fellow diplomat of Benjamin Franklin, Richard Jackson. (1759)
I have been in parts of this world where I have seen some type of exegent circumstance used to justify the trampling of fundamental rights. I must say it has never worked to the advantage of those trampling the rights even if the end is just. You say you feel the trade off of liberty for additional security is acceptable. I say it won't be long before you find yourself with your foot in your mouth. Once precedent has been set. It is often used against those setting it.
This statement was used as a motto on the title page of An Historical Review of the Constitution and Government of Pennsylvania, written by a fellow diplomat of Benjamin Franklin, Richard Jackson. (1759)
I have been in parts of this world where I have seen some type of exegent circumstance used to justify the trampling of fundamental rights. I must say it has never worked to the advantage of those trampling the rights even if the end is just. You say you feel the trade off of liberty for additional security is acceptable. I say it won't be long before you find yourself with your foot in your mouth. Once precedent has been set. It is often used against those setting it.
COSMO | 1:47 p.m. May 22, 2008
Gov. Perry,please end this travesty now! Don't let the "CPS
bureacrats",play legal games, and drag this
out. Put a stop to CPS wanting to appeal to another
court.Release those children.
If you fail to bring a halt, and I mean a complete halt, concerning this charade, the Republicans can kiss Texas goodbye. P.S. maybe an investigation into
Judge Walther,along with the CPS kids,is in order.
Just a thought.
out. Put a stop to CPS wanting to appeal to another
court.Release those children.
If you fail to bring a halt, and I mean a complete halt, concerning this charade, the Republicans can kiss Texas goodbye. P.S. maybe an investigation into
Judge Walther,along with the CPS kids,is in order.
Just a thought.
G | 1:49 p.m. May 22, 2008
"
The good thing is now that they have seen some of the real world. And before they go back, CPS will make sure they understand that there is a whole big world out there waiting for them. All they have to do is ditch their overzealous religious-extremeist mind-controlling freedom-destroying zombie parents and their hand-me-down Taliban prophet, and start making decisions and forming opinions for themselves."
Yeah, some of them may think that. The rest will have nightmares of being taken from their parents. The damage CPS has done will persist in their culture for generations. They've been taught to fear the outside, now they've had a demonstration why.
Good thinking, Texas.
The good thing is now that they have seen some of the real world. And before they go back, CPS will make sure they understand that there is a whole big world out there waiting for them. All they have to do is ditch their overzealous religious-extremeist mind-controlling freedom-destroying zombie parents and their hand-me-down Taliban prophet, and start making decisions and forming opinions for themselves."
Yeah, some of them may think that. The rest will have nightmares of being taken from their parents. The damage CPS has done will persist in their culture for generations. They've been taught to fear the outside, now they've had a demonstration why.
Good thinking, Texas.
Rant | 1:56 p.m. May 22, 2008
Most FLDS families, even in Texas, do not abuse their kids and do not allow
their daughters to marry underage, even when the "prophet" tells them
to. Yet, they have all had their children traumatized. In this country we try
individuals, not groups. We prosecute actions, not beliefs. We presume
innocence until proven guilty, not vice versa.
to FLDS | 1:56 p.m. May 22, 2008
I don't believe it is appropriate to tell falshoods just to be funny.
I haven't seen the wrongdoing the FLDS are said to be guilty off in this case. You can find people in all religions guilty of misconduct in some way or other but the majority are fine American citizens. I hope the children will be reunited with their parents soon, not April 2009 when Judge Walthers feels like it.
I haven't seen the wrongdoing the FLDS are said to be guilty off in this case. You can find people in all religions guilty of misconduct in some way or other but the majority are fine American citizens. I hope the children will be reunited with their parents soon, not April 2009 when Judge Walthers feels like it.
Some justice | 1:57 p.m. May 22, 2008
At least someone in Texas has some sense of the law and justice system of this
country. The arguments put forth by the CPS for kidnapping all of the FLDS
children have always been ridiculous, flimsy and not enough to meet the
state's own legal standards. This has always been a case of religious
persecution.
A little advice to anyone who is FLDS--once you get your kids back GET OUT OF THE STATE OF TEXAS. If you stay there you're likely to get more of this kind of Nazi-style treatment at the hands of the state.
A little advice to anyone who is FLDS--once you get your kids back GET OUT OF THE STATE OF TEXAS. If you stay there you're likely to get more of this kind of Nazi-style treatment at the hands of the state.
Ing | 1:59 p.m. May 22, 2008
"the ruling means, essentially, that the FLDS belief system alone does not
constitute physical abuse to children."
Finally, somebody over there in the Texas legal system is showing some good sense. That's more than I can say for a lot of the people commenting here. Calling the FLDS the Taliban? "reality check" commenter, you need a reality check.
Finally, somebody over there in the Texas legal system is showing some good sense. That's more than I can say for a lot of the people commenting here. Calling the FLDS the Taliban? "reality check" commenter, you need a reality check.
Gossip | 2:00 p.m. May 22, 2008
Instead of gossip, the court demanded evidence which could NOT be provided by
CPS. If there is an appeal, it will go to the Supreme Court. Because of the
stupidity of the actions of TX, polygamy will now become an immediate issue, but
without such an action would likely have taken more time. Thanks TEXAS....for
nothing.
Sokol | 2:01 p.m. May 22, 2008
This is unprecedented. I cannot believe this outcome. I am so happy with this.
I never
believed something this good with happen from
a higher court. Finally, rightfully, fairly,
a positive verdict has come to parents and
families everywhere. While, the FLDS are not
perfect, I think the tide is changing against
the fascistic do gooders that impose their
subjective version of what constitutes good
parenting.
I can see a day 'when America and its courts
act on the side of parents' rather than
political correctness that his based on
zero factual evidence, false allegations
and innuendo.
believed something this good with happen from
a higher court. Finally, rightfully, fairly,
a positive verdict has come to parents and
families everywhere. While, the FLDS are not
perfect, I think the tide is changing against
the fascistic do gooders that impose their
subjective version of what constitutes good
parenting.
I can see a day 'when America and its courts
act on the side of parents' rather than
political correctness that his based on
zero factual evidence, false allegations
and innuendo.
transplant | 2:01 p.m. May 22, 2008
To whom do the unclaimed children go back to? Remember these people refused to
step up and claim their own children. There are what 100 kids without
identification? What about the fathers rights to have their children returned
to them. Or are their rights just going to be ignored - cowards that they are.
Still they are fathers of these kids. Where are the custody agreements that the
mothers have sole claim on them? If carte blance removal was in error so is
carte blance return. These are individual citizens not a bunch of cattle without
brands. To protect these children there needs to be serious attention paid to
legal conservatorship.
Slow Down People! | 2:01 p.m. May 22, 2008
There is an ONGOING investigation. Did y'll miss the part of one hearing
where the case worker said after interviews with the boys and reading childrens
journals that they had evidence of sexual abuse and physical abuse of the boys?
I have been following this groups activities for a few years and I believe this
needed to happen. Yes, Texas may have done it differently but show me the
textbook way to deal with a fringe group, then we can judge them. Hindsight is
20/20 and insight is priceless!
Re: Mormons | 2:04 p.m. May 22, 2008
To: Josh Dobbins and Southern Girl
The only people who use the nickname Mormons are members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.
The FLDS are not Mormons and do not refer to themselves as Mormons.
When referring to people or organizations that practice polygamy, the terms "Mormons," "Mormon fundamentalist," "Mormon dissidents," etc., are incorrect. The Associated Press Style Guide notes: "The term 'Mormon' is not properly applied to the other ... churches that resulted from the split after [Joseph] Smith's death."
The only people who use the nickname Mormons are members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.
The FLDS are not Mormons and do not refer to themselves as Mormons.
When referring to people or organizations that practice polygamy, the terms "Mormons," "Mormon fundamentalist," "Mormon dissidents," etc., are incorrect. The Associated Press Style Guide notes: "The term 'Mormon' is not properly applied to the other ... churches that resulted from the split after [Joseph] Smith's death."
Leroy G | 2:05 p.m. May 22, 2008
What happens if the District Court vacates its order giving custody of the children to CPS? The Appelate Court ruled that CPS had not proven the danger to any of the boys and had not proven danger to any of the girls under the age of puberty. It seems to have ordered the District Court to vacate its decisions giving custody to CPS in some of the cases.
Will CPS appeal? Will Judge Walther vacate her decisions ? Will CPS now just investigate and pursue the cases of real abuse among girls puberty and up and returning all other children?
G | 2:05 p.m. May 22, 2008
"A little advice to anyone who is FLDS--once you get your kids back GET OUT
OF THE STATE OF TEXAS."
And give the Texans what they want? They should be registering to vote instead.
And give the Texans what they want? They should be registering to vote instead.
I agree! | 2:12 p.m. May 22, 2008
I have to agree with CPS Reforms Needed and The Solution! And I hope that,
rather than the FLDS people becoming even more frightened and insular that they
can look at the way some have functioned and demand changes of their leaders.
No underaged marriages, no forced marriages, no forcing people to give up their
families when excommunicated. No sexual abuse of children, of course (and if we
can stop that in society at large, that would be even more wonderful!) But much
of their lifestyle is simply different than ours and they have a right to it!
If we accept live-ins, gay marriage, and civil unions, we will have to accept
polygamy, which has a much longer and wider practice, historically, at least.
As for welfare--well the whole system is based on wrong principles and is broken
and needs fixing at least as much as CPS, so I'd say we ought to tackle
that, too.
In the meantime, I hope the children will be returned and that Texas authorities will look only at real evidence, not CPS and media hype. Where there is proven abuse, prosecute! Otherwise, to misquote Moses, Let the People Go--home!
In the meantime, I hope the children will be returned and that Texas authorities will look only at real evidence, not CPS and media hype. Where there is proven abuse, prosecute! Otherwise, to misquote Moses, Let the People Go--home!
Anonymous | 2:12 p.m. May 22, 2008
We need Warren Jeffs set free. He is our true prophet and leader. His children
need him to lead them. Thank you FLDS family for your support.
Wylde Hare | 2:12 p.m. May 22, 2008
The sad thing is that this kind of abuse by government bureaucries is becoming,
if anything, more common. Nearly the same thing happened in Wenatchee WA about a
decade ago. Since links are not allowed, just google Wenatchee Sex Ring.
I feel we are entering an era when people really need to watch what the "Bureaucracy" is doing. We can no longer assume that they are acting in our best interest.
I feel we are entering an era when people really need to watch what the "Bureaucracy" is doing. We can no longer assume that they are acting in our best interest.
Re; Transplant | 2:13 p.m. May 22, 2008
"A women on the ranch said the kids need to return soon because the onion
crop needs to be harvested. Hopefully abuse of child labor laws are prosecuted
as well."
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Since when is it a violation of child labor laws for children to help plant and harvest a garden?
I read that the children at one shelter ASKED if they could plant a garden. Many Utahns grow gardens, and I don't think they are criminals if they request or allow their children to help.
I don't believe any woman at the ranch said that, either. Do you have a link where I could read about such a comment? I guess it doesn't matter, anyway. This whole case is based on a lie.
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Since when is it a violation of child labor laws for children to help plant and harvest a garden?
I read that the children at one shelter ASKED if they could plant a garden. Many Utahns grow gardens, and I don't think they are criminals if they request or allow their children to help.
I don't believe any woman at the ranch said that, either. Do you have a link where I could read about such a comment? I guess it doesn't matter, anyway. This whole case is based on a lie.
to Southern Girl | 2:17 p.m. May 22, 2008
Were not the nuts! Were the fruits of what those like you in the south, have
done to us.
unclaimed children | 2:17 p.m. May 22, 2008
There were NO unclaimed children. There were though 100 children that CPS had
not yet processed because of gross incompetence.
Regarding "Mormons": Those that use the Book of Mormon may be considered Mormon, so Strangites, FLDS, LDS, and even RLDS/Community of Christ all may use the term even if LDS don't want it.
Regarding "Mormons": Those that use the Book of Mormon may be considered Mormon, so Strangites, FLDS, LDS, and even RLDS/Community of Christ all may use the term even if LDS don't want it.
fraud? | 2:19 p.m. May 22, 2008
Colorado City and Hildale were on a list of the top ten towns with a population
over 2,000 in the Intermountain West for reliance upon Medicaid (health care for
the poor) in 1998. And in that same year the same towns draw from the Women,
Infants and Children (WIC) program (food for low-income mothers) could only be
equaled by Western Indian reservations and impoverished inner cities. 33% of
Hildale and Colorado City residents were using food stamps in 1998. To put this
into perspective, respectively Arizona's average was 6.7% and Utah's
4.7% during that same period.
Alex | 2:22 p.m. May 22, 2008
To FLDS:
If you want to get polygamy legal, move to California and let the police to arrest you for unlawful cohabitation (preferably a man and his wives with fewer children). Take it to court. The Gay-Marriage ruling from the California Supreme Court should soon make legalization of plural marriage in California a slam dunk.
Multiple wives (not just the first) will have legal recourse and community property rights. They won't be second class wives any more. Add to that the fact that you won't have to hide out anymore.
If you want to get polygamy legal, move to California and let the police to arrest you for unlawful cohabitation (preferably a man and his wives with fewer children). Take it to court. The Gay-Marriage ruling from the California Supreme Court should soon make legalization of plural marriage in California a slam dunk.
Multiple wives (not just the first) will have legal recourse and community property rights. They won't be second class wives any more. Add to that the fact that you won't have to hide out anymore.
magnus | 2:22 p.m. May 22, 2008
@ G
Excellent point.
You could see this ruling coming like a steam engine in Nebraska.
When this is all said and done heads are going to roll at CPS and if the FLDS members decide to litigate it is going to cost the govornment (and therefore the taxpayers) ALOT of money.
GO TEXAS!!!!
ha ha ha...
Excellent point.
You could see this ruling coming like a steam engine in Nebraska.
When this is all said and done heads are going to roll at CPS and if the FLDS members decide to litigate it is going to cost the govornment (and therefore the taxpayers) ALOT of money.
GO TEXAS!!!!
ha ha ha...
Jessop girls | 2:22 p.m. May 22, 2008
The courts apparently quite effectively invalidated the stories, of Flora and
Caroline Jessop as group think. It seems this court understands that
individuals have rights.
realitycheck | 2:23 p.m. May 22, 2008
to G 1:49pm -
these people don't have a culture. they have a dictatorship, run by a madman. I'd have nightmares too. And if some of the older kids can get the younger kids out, it was all worth it. While you may not care about the kids' futures, I do.
to G 2:05pm -
So your advice to FLDS is "get out of Texas"? Nothing about perhaps changing your Taliban ways and giving a little freedom to your people? Nothing about perhaps not marrying off 14 yr old girls to 50 yr old men? Nothing about perhaps joining the 21st century? wow - I'd hate to come to you for advice...
these people don't have a culture. they have a dictatorship, run by a madman. I'd have nightmares too. And if some of the older kids can get the younger kids out, it was all worth it. While you may not care about the kids' futures, I do.
to G 2:05pm -
So your advice to FLDS is "get out of Texas"? Nothing about perhaps changing your Taliban ways and giving a little freedom to your people? Nothing about perhaps not marrying off 14 yr old girls to 50 yr old men? Nothing about perhaps joining the 21st century? wow - I'd hate to come to you for advice...
To: Transplant | 2:24 p.m. May 22, 2008
transplant | 2:01 p.m. May 22, 2008
To whom do the unclaimed children go back to? Remember these people refused to step up and claim their own children?
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I am guessing that when everything is over, we will find that no children are actually unclaimed. CPS can't tell the truth to save their sorry -uh- back sides. Just one more lie in their attempt to show that this mess was a good idea. For example, the child of "Sarah Jessop Barlow" -who doesn't exist- also doesn't exist.
To whom do the unclaimed children go back to? Remember these people refused to step up and claim their own children?
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I am guessing that when everything is over, we will find that no children are actually unclaimed. CPS can't tell the truth to save their sorry -uh- back sides. Just one more lie in their attempt to show that this mess was a good idea. For example, the child of "Sarah Jessop Barlow" -who doesn't exist- also doesn't exist.
Bob Bo | 2:26 p.m. May 22, 2008
So many decry the tender ages of the young mothers who marry older men. Those of
you who are Christian I ask, "How old was Mary when she was impregnated by
miraculous conception? How old was Joseph, the man God chose to be her
husband?"
Now, honestly, how many 12 to 16 year olds all over the country are engaging in sex every day? Should they all be removed from their families? Just asking.
Now, honestly, how many 12 to 16 year olds all over the country are engaging in sex every day? Should they all be removed from their families? Just asking.
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