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DBG | 10:08 a.m. May 22, 2008
An interesting story: my friend is a State Delegate and relayed the experience
he had with Cannon. He stated that Cannon gave a speech that he supported the
UTCounty, Utah, and National GOP platforms. My friend eventually called him and
quized him about the national platform. Cannon admitted he hadn't read it
in a while. The National platform was modified in 2004 and names GWB 250 times
and reasons to justify the war in Iraq. Cannon didn't beleive him, pulled
his laptop up and was shocked to be pointed out these things and retracted his
support of the national platform.
If you want ignorant folks like Cannon, vote him back. But he slips and slides too much and is just a "voter" in Congress who doesn't research anything.
If you want ignorant folks like Cannon, vote him back. But he slips and slides too much and is just a "voter" in Congress who doesn't research anything.
Jo momma | 10:23 a.m. May 22, 2008
I find it interesting that just when we are on the verge of true seniority
leadership we want to remove a fine legislator because we want something
different. The way to change congress is not by replacing those that get things
done but replace those that dont. Can any of you tell me What bills Bishops has
sposored and passed or what if anything of substance Matheson has done for the
state. The true fight should not be in the third district. As for Chafetz good
job for a former BYU college Democratic chair. If we look at each candidtaes
background and history it is clear whoshould be in office. Masses, keep cannon
in office unless you want another democrat representing us. Chafetz cant go the
distance.
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Steve | 10:40 a.m. May 22, 2008
This is kind of a sad discussion. Cannon staffers versus Chaffetz staffers.
Folks in the District need to step back and get to know both candidates. They are each unique individuals. And, they'll be holding all kinds of events up and down the district.
Cannon is in trouble because those who've spent time around him don't like him. He is odd, kind of crude and erratic. That is who he is. That is why the delegates have turned on him.
Chaffetz is kind of arrogant. That has always been his achilles heel. But, he is smart and articulate. He needs to be very careful to overplay his ultra-conservative card. Most 3rd CD voters are conservative but not extreme.
It is an interesting choice. It is part of American democracy. Disregard the staffers, meet the candidates and make your own choice.
Folks in the District need to step back and get to know both candidates. They are each unique individuals. And, they'll be holding all kinds of events up and down the district.
Cannon is in trouble because those who've spent time around him don't like him. He is odd, kind of crude and erratic. That is who he is. That is why the delegates have turned on him.
Chaffetz is kind of arrogant. That has always been his achilles heel. But, he is smart and articulate. He needs to be very careful to overplay his ultra-conservative card. Most 3rd CD voters are conservative but not extreme.
It is an interesting choice. It is part of American democracy. Disregard the staffers, meet the candidates and make your own choice.
Al | 10:42 a.m. May 22, 2008
Sticking with Cannon is like staying in an abusive marriage, hoping against all
odds that things will improve. In the end it only prolongs the agony.
Misleading Headline | 10:46 a.m. May 22, 2008
Cannon is winning by 15 points among likely to vote Republicans, who are the
only ones who can vote in the primary.
Hey Jo Mamma | 10:47 a.m. May 22, 2008
What has Cannon's seniority gotten Utah? Can anyone name anything? I
don't know what we lose by bringing in a new face with no track record
because I can't think of a darn thing Cannon has brought us in 12 years
(except for a couple of shamefully embarrassing quotes in the national media
that make us all look like morons).
Jo Mamma, what are the significant bills Cannon has passed?
And don't be too hard on Mathison, because until the Republicans get control of congress back, which is looking like it could be decades away, Mathison is the most powerful Utahn there is when it comes to things at the federal level, for better or for worse.
Jo Mamma, what are the significant bills Cannon has passed?
And don't be too hard on Mathison, because until the Republicans get control of congress back, which is looking like it could be decades away, Mathison is the most powerful Utahn there is when it comes to things at the federal level, for better or for worse.
DBG | 10:52 a.m. May 22, 2008
For those of you who are against Chaffetz because he used to be a former
democrat, let me remind you, as someone did earlier, that Reagan was also a
former democrat. And our beloved Hatch was as well. I should also note that Utah
has a rich history of being democrat in the past, up until the late Scott
Matheson's term as Govenor.
Bad Poll, Reporting, or Both? | 10:54 a.m. May 22, 2008
Did the paper actually pay for this poll?
Dan surveyed democrats, independents, republicans in a race where only republicans can vote. I'm guessing the republican sample size in 3rd district was around 100.
Does Dan Jones stand behind this reporting of the poll?
Buried somewhere on page 2 paragraph 5 Cannon leads among likely Republican voters by 15%.
Does Bob Bernick stand behind the headline?
since when Cannon'sis a 15 point lead "tight"?
Dan surveyed democrats, independents, republicans in a race where only republicans can vote. I'm guessing the republican sample size in 3rd district was around 100.
Does Dan Jones stand behind this reporting of the poll?
Buried somewhere on page 2 paragraph 5 Cannon leads among likely Republican voters by 15%.
Does Bob Bernick stand behind the headline?
since when Cannon'sis a 15 point lead "tight"?
bindersbee | 10:57 a.m. May 22, 2008
BBKing is a Cannon staffer. I am a supporter of Chaffetz but NOT on his staff,
paid or volunteer. You might want to change your name now BBKing- you've
been outed.
BBKing's job is to make up inflamatory, untrue crap and put it out online to distract from the REAL issues. This is Cannon's MO for every single election. And sadly, it has always worked in the past. Don't be fooled.
No one has to say anything bad about Cannon- a simple google serach will tell you everything you might want to know- the good, bad and the really, really ugly. You won't read about that stuff locally because his brother owns this press but the National news is full of information about the ethically challenged incumbent.
Google for yourself- just becareful and make sure to put REP in the title. Apparently there is a Chris Cannon who is some sort of porn star- found that one out the hard way! OOPS!
BBKing's job is to make up inflamatory, untrue crap and put it out online to distract from the REAL issues. This is Cannon's MO for every single election. And sadly, it has always worked in the past. Don't be fooled.
No one has to say anything bad about Cannon- a simple google serach will tell you everything you might want to know- the good, bad and the really, really ugly. You won't read about that stuff locally because his brother owns this press but the National news is full of information about the ethically challenged incumbent.
Google for yourself- just becareful and make sure to put REP in the title. Apparently there is a Chris Cannon who is some sort of porn star- found that one out the hard way! OOPS!
I'm waiting for Tribune Poll | 11:00 a.m. May 22, 2008
Haha, This poll is so flawed, no way will 71% of people contacted vote in the
primary in 3rd district.
Re: flawed poll | 11:04 a.m. May 22, 2008
yes it is flawed but most people only read headlines, inlcuding Chaffetz, who
probably already has the poll on his website and the newspaper framed on his
wall.
Bill Dew is Toast | 11:07 a.m. May 22, 2008
60-20 ouch. Save your money Bill.
jim | 11:10 a.m. May 22, 2008
scientists do not all agree that climate change is man made. That great big
furnace in the sky does not remain constant. things change. The temp. in my
house isnt constant. The temp. of the earth has gone up and down forever. Even
before the invention on the internal combustion engine. A few years ago they
said we were going into a ice age. The temp of the earth has not gone up over
the last few years, in fact they say it will go down. The ice caps are colder
now. We had more snow cover world wide this year. Al Gore is not my hero.
Global warming is a farce. The climate changes on its own. I work outside and
I sure did not feel any global warming this year.
See the truth | 11:12 a.m. May 22, 2008
Enter commentSOund like 19% of Republicans (since they were the ones called, are
going to vote for the Democrat. Now that's news!
Standing for Principles | 11:16 a.m. May 22, 2008
Something I admire about Chris Cannon is that I always know where he stands on
the issues. He doesn't waffle, and when he slips, he admits he was wrong
and moves forward. He has our best interests at heart. He has the experience we
need back in Washington. It would be a mistake to take him out of office right
now.
Another thing to consider, all you that say "throw him out and start over"...Our government has problems. The blame for that cannot be heaped upon the shoulders of one man (or one party for that matter). What we need is less government and more power to the people. Sending Chafetz (who DOES NOT even LIVE in the 3rd District) would not be a problem fixer. His learning curve would come at a very inopportune time and prove to be very problematic for fixing our country's issues.
Congressman Cannon is on the right track and will continue to do everything he can to bring viable solutions to fix our government, and help correct our economic tribulations (i.e. gas and food prices...OUCH!). I think it is important that we keep Cannon in office.
Another thing to consider, all you that say "throw him out and start over"...Our government has problems. The blame for that cannot be heaped upon the shoulders of one man (or one party for that matter). What we need is less government and more power to the people. Sending Chafetz (who DOES NOT even LIVE in the 3rd District) would not be a problem fixer. His learning curve would come at a very inopportune time and prove to be very problematic for fixing our country's issues.
Congressman Cannon is on the right track and will continue to do everything he can to bring viable solutions to fix our government, and help correct our economic tribulations (i.e. gas and food prices...OUCH!). I think it is important that we keep Cannon in office.
for the record | 11:32 a.m. May 22, 2008
To "getting my vote":
With all due respect: your attitude about not caring about past employees is naive. When interviewed for a job, the employer must take into consideration the relationship and character of the potential hiree of his past employment. I have heard from the inside also of Chaffetz inability to either get along or be as effective as he would imply to the voter while in the Huntsman group, and with other jobs! That cannot be ignored. To ignore ones past working history is foolish.
Ditto to: Cleary Decided!; And let me add: Chaffetz has another rediculous plan for earmarks. His solution? Have each earmark be its own bill. What does that prove? --Doesn't get rid of the earmark, just changes the look and grossly clogs the system with more paper work, increasing the bureaucratic load for processing each stupid bill. Good one! Cannon's solution? What he's already doing: TRANSPERANCY. Chaffetz claimed Cannon has pork earmarks. I checked. Wrong. Earmarks aren't bad unless they are wasteful. His were for city infrastructer like watermains. That's pork?!
To C. Jones: Send a message: Yeah that we haven't read bills and Utah is stupid? Not! It's Cannon. Look up the record.
With all due respect: your attitude about not caring about past employees is naive. When interviewed for a job, the employer must take into consideration the relationship and character of the potential hiree of his past employment. I have heard from the inside also of Chaffetz inability to either get along or be as effective as he would imply to the voter while in the Huntsman group, and with other jobs! That cannot be ignored. To ignore ones past working history is foolish.
Ditto to: Cleary Decided!; And let me add: Chaffetz has another rediculous plan for earmarks. His solution? Have each earmark be its own bill. What does that prove? --Doesn't get rid of the earmark, just changes the look and grossly clogs the system with more paper work, increasing the bureaucratic load for processing each stupid bill. Good one! Cannon's solution? What he's already doing: TRANSPERANCY. Chaffetz claimed Cannon has pork earmarks. I checked. Wrong. Earmarks aren't bad unless they are wasteful. His were for city infrastructer like watermains. That's pork?!
To C. Jones: Send a message: Yeah that we haven't read bills and Utah is stupid? Not! It's Cannon. Look up the record.
Re: DBG | 11:42 a.m. May 22, 2008
Sorry DBG I don�t buy your argument. Platforms change,
values don�t. As you stated they changed the national GOP
platform. I really don�t care about the platform, I vote on
the individual their values and their ability to effectively do their job based
upon those values. I�m fine with Cannon not being up on the
latest version platform. He�s busy getting the work of the
people done. It�s those issues that I am concerned with not
a rhetoric based document.
yorktown | 11:53 a.m. May 22, 2008
Chris Cannon is AWOL on the Hill. He doesn't listen to constituents,
doesn't vote the way he promises to vote, can't form a coherent
sentence or a cohesive argument.
And what on earth did he mean when he said
"WE NEED TO DE-DEMONIZE SOCIALISM"
at the Lincoln Day Dinner?
He's a socialist! that's what.
And what on earth did he mean when he said
"WE NEED TO DE-DEMONIZE SOCIALISM"
at the Lincoln Day Dinner?
He's a socialist! that's what.
Poll Numbers | 12:03 p.m. May 22, 2008
As far as I can tell, Chaffetz has only campaigned to delegates so far. The
general public hasn't seen his signs, his advertisements, his mail pieces,
or anything beyond the limited media coverage. He supposedly has no name
recognition and no money.
What's going to happen when Chaffetz starts to get some name recognition? What happens when his message gets out there more broadly? Cannon better hope people don't like what Chaffetz has to say. It seems to me that Cannon is in a lot of trouble if this is the best he can do against a so-called no-name candidate.
To For the Record: your point about past co-workers is interesting. Everyone has co-workers they worked well with and co-workers they didn't. Do you only listen to the co-workers who have negative things to say? Because if that's the case, Cannon's got a closet full as well. Sounds like you've got a lot of work to do if that's going to be the basis of your vote.
What's going to happen when Chaffetz starts to get some name recognition? What happens when his message gets out there more broadly? Cannon better hope people don't like what Chaffetz has to say. It seems to me that Cannon is in a lot of trouble if this is the best he can do against a so-called no-name candidate.
To For the Record: your point about past co-workers is interesting. Everyone has co-workers they worked well with and co-workers they didn't. Do you only listen to the co-workers who have negative things to say? Because if that's the case, Cannon's got a closet full as well. Sounds like you've got a lot of work to do if that's going to be the basis of your vote.
Phill Collett | 12:08 p.m. May 22, 2008
Cannon has my support 100%. Not only is he a strong fiscal conservative, but add
experience and dedication to that. Im backing Cannon.
DBG @ RE:DBG | 12:31 p.m. May 22, 2008
Truth is Cannon slips more than he admits. It's arrogant for someone to
vote for someone who doesn't pay attention before he speaks.
What work has Cannon done? The People he represents or the lobby groups that fund his campaign that do not reside in Utah? He's no conservative if he's rubberstamping Bush's big government policies (NCLB for example). He's had a chance to stand up to real principles but he has not.
What work has Cannon done? The People he represents or the lobby groups that fund his campaign that do not reside in Utah? He's no conservative if he's rubberstamping Bush's big government policies (NCLB for example). He's had a chance to stand up to real principles but he has not.
Socialist Conservative???? | 12:43 p.m. May 22, 2008
***He's a socialist! that's what.***
Cannon is consistently ranked as one of the top conservatives in Congress. Socialism and Conservatism are opposing philosophies, ergo Cannon isn�t a socialist. Furthermore oratory skill doesn�t equate to effectiveness especially in Congress. I understand wanting someone that motivates and inspires you, someone that makes you feel good about America and what they are doing. The danger in that is well illustrated in Obama, you get someone that speaks well and is very charismatic but wrong on pretty much everything. I�ll take the guy moving us in the right direction any day of the week over the feel good guy.
Cannon is consistently ranked as one of the top conservatives in Congress. Socialism and Conservatism are opposing philosophies, ergo Cannon isn�t a socialist. Furthermore oratory skill doesn�t equate to effectiveness especially in Congress. I understand wanting someone that motivates and inspires you, someone that makes you feel good about America and what they are doing. The danger in that is well illustrated in Obama, you get someone that speaks well and is very charismatic but wrong on pretty much everything. I�ll take the guy moving us in the right direction any day of the week over the feel good guy.
kely | 1:23 p.m. May 22, 2008
Anyone who witnessed Cannon's flouting of the rules at the Republican
Convention would understand a little of what he is willing to do to retain
power. Encourage everyone you know to vote for Chaffetz.
Craig | 1:30 p.m. May 22, 2008
There are several positions that Chris Cannon has taken over the years that have
disappointed me. He voted for the expansion on Medicare to include prescription
drugs. You can argue all day about whether or not Cannon is a conservative but
voting for the expansion of medicare is a socialist position. He also voted for
No Child Left Behind which dramatically increased the role of the federal
government in education. My view is that education is best left up to the
states where it ought to be controlled locally. Cannon has consistently voted
for free trade agreements which transfer the authority to regulate international
trade to internaltional bodies. These are the reasons I see to replace Cannon
as our Congressman. Is Jason Chaffetz the right guy to replace him? How do we
best judge that? He is young with limited political experience.
DBG @ RE:DBG-2 | 1:34 p.m. May 22, 2008
DBG I�m sorry its fallacy to marry oratory ability to
intelligence, integrity, effectiveness, or arrogance. Many people make gaffs
when they speak.
What has Cannon done? He�s working to allow us to utilize our oil shale to help solve our current energy crisis and strengthen Utah�s economy. He�s working to stop illegal immigration by building the fence and creating laws help us identify illegal�s and punish companies that flagrantly hire them. He�s saved us from having taxes placed on our internet usage the way they are on our phone bills. He�s working with other members of congress on ways legislatively to strengthen the dollar. He�s working on keeping pornography out of our state in every way he can. Next to Jim Hansen he�s been one of the most effective congressmen this state has had in recent history. I could go on and on and on about what Chris has done and is doing for us. I would apply the same question to Chaffetz. What has he done?
What has Cannon done? He�s working to allow us to utilize our oil shale to help solve our current energy crisis and strengthen Utah�s economy. He�s working to stop illegal immigration by building the fence and creating laws help us identify illegal�s and punish companies that flagrantly hire them. He�s saved us from having taxes placed on our internet usage the way they are on our phone bills. He�s working with other members of congress on ways legislatively to strengthen the dollar. He�s working on keeping pornography out of our state in every way he can. Next to Jim Hansen he�s been one of the most effective congressmen this state has had in recent history. I could go on and on and on about what Chris has done and is doing for us. I would apply the same question to Chaffetz. What has he done?
Anonymous | 1:35 p.m. May 22, 2008
*** "Cannon is consistently ranked as one of the top conservatives in
Congress. " ***
I don't think anyone who wants to literally remake America's population can in ANY sense be considered a "conservative." Conservatism isn't about where you stand on particular policy points: 1 point for cutting taxes, 1 point for free enterprise, and so on. Conservatism is an attitude and a sentiment.
What's conservative? A belief that a people and their culture, not land, most define a nation. Look at Australia, New Zealand, the USA: we are all more culturally and politically similar to the Europe our ancestors came from than to the aboriginal cultures that existed prior to 1492 or 1607, and we have been that way since day one of settlement. Replace the current American people with a different people and you get a different culture, a different economy, and a different political outlook - in one case, Latin American radicalism instead of Anglo-Saxon democracy.
I wouldn't call Cannon a conservative. I would call him a neofeudalist - slash taxes on the rich, slash labor costs (ala serfdom), oppose unions and minimum wage laws, and then watch as the middle class strains under the yoke.
I don't think anyone who wants to literally remake America's population can in ANY sense be considered a "conservative." Conservatism isn't about where you stand on particular policy points: 1 point for cutting taxes, 1 point for free enterprise, and so on. Conservatism is an attitude and a sentiment.
What's conservative? A belief that a people and their culture, not land, most define a nation. Look at Australia, New Zealand, the USA: we are all more culturally and politically similar to the Europe our ancestors came from than to the aboriginal cultures that existed prior to 1492 or 1607, and we have been that way since day one of settlement. Replace the current American people with a different people and you get a different culture, a different economy, and a different political outlook - in one case, Latin American radicalism instead of Anglo-Saxon democracy.
I wouldn't call Cannon a conservative. I would call him a neofeudalist - slash taxes on the rich, slash labor costs (ala serfdom), oppose unions and minimum wage laws, and then watch as the middle class strains under the yoke.
klovesliberty | 1:48 p.m. May 22, 2008
Amen about children of illegals born in the US. As far as I know (and correct me
if I am wrong), the current process of becoming a US citizen requires a certain
amount of education about America's past, it's principles, it's
laws. A child born to illegals certainly is not going to get any of this from
his parents! If we want a country overrun by citizens with no regard for the
law, or principles of freedom and prosperity (Hey, wait! It's already like
that in LA!), go ahead and leave things as they are. If you want principles of
governments of any other nation to take over, go ahead and leave things as they
are. However, if you revere the founding fathers, and what this country stands
for, if you are willing to stand up for principle, and expect other citizens to
obey the laws of the land as much as you do, and love America as much as you do,
let's require children of illegals to meet certain requirements for gaining
citizenship.
I applaud Jason for promoting this issue.
I applaud Jason for promoting this issue.
GOP Guy | 2:19 p.m. May 22, 2008
Has anyone else been around Cannon when he loses it?
He is so foul. Hateful. Ornery. Crude.
Remember when Merrill Cook was blasted for swearing on an airplane? Chris Cannon makes Cook look a choirboy.
He is so foul. Hateful. Ornery. Crude.
Remember when Merrill Cook was blasted for swearing on an airplane? Chris Cannon makes Cook look a choirboy.
neofeudalist??? | 2:22 p.m. May 22, 2008
Conservatism fits within the spectrum of Anarchy and Totalitarianism which are
the two points that the US Constitution exists between. Conservatism is slightly
to the left of Anarchy.
Slash taxes on the rich- why should rich people pay more taxes? Are they any more citizens than anyone else? If not they should they be taxed improportionally? No!
minimum wage/unions- The market ultimately decides how much a service is worth. If anyone can do something it isn�t worth as much, if only a few can do it then its worth more. The only thing minimum wage does is increase inflation which hurts the value of our dollar which is tanking our economy. Further it robs people of their right to pay a fair market value for services rendered. Unions only really create more barriers to doing business. Those additional costs aren�t absorbed by businesses they are passed along to us. So in the end game you are again only inflating the prices of goods which isn�t good.
So to sum up your point, you favor Socialism. Socialism hurts more than it helps, further enflames inequality, and has never worked.
Slash taxes on the rich- why should rich people pay more taxes? Are they any more citizens than anyone else? If not they should they be taxed improportionally? No!
minimum wage/unions- The market ultimately decides how much a service is worth. If anyone can do something it isn�t worth as much, if only a few can do it then its worth more. The only thing minimum wage does is increase inflation which hurts the value of our dollar which is tanking our economy. Further it robs people of their right to pay a fair market value for services rendered. Unions only really create more barriers to doing business. Those additional costs aren�t absorbed by businesses they are passed along to us. So in the end game you are again only inflating the prices of goods which isn�t good.
So to sum up your point, you favor Socialism. Socialism hurts more than it helps, further enflames inequality, and has never worked.
PAM | 2:23 p.m. May 22, 2008
I'll be voting Chaffetz. And please, Utah, shake yourself loose from this
"we dare not remove our incumbant" mentality.
EWl | 3:04 p.m. May 22, 2008
To klovesliberty,
I am amazed that some people can be so elitist. It is not so easy to identify illegal immigrants from legal, so what happens is a lot of finger pointing and stereotyping. It's accusations like that that argue that all immigrants should speak our language. If we look to many of our first generations in America they probably didn't speak english either. However the second generation has always been able to adapt to the language, laws, and customs very well.
The principles should be upheld and that is why the second generation should not be accountable for the first.
I am amazed that some people can be so elitist. It is not so easy to identify illegal immigrants from legal, so what happens is a lot of finger pointing and stereotyping. It's accusations like that that argue that all immigrants should speak our language. If we look to many of our first generations in America they probably didn't speak english either. However the second generation has always been able to adapt to the language, laws, and customs very well.
The principles should be upheld and that is why the second generation should not be accountable for the first.
David Edward Garber | 3:08 p.m. May 22, 2008
Utah can do better than Chris Cannon. And it's high time that we did so.
Re: klovesliberty | 3:25 p.m. May 22, 2008
I don't think you quite understand the issue. Jason has said this problem
(anchor babies) needs to fixed. So has Cannon. The fact of the matter is, this
situation exists because the constitution says that if you are born in the US
you are a citizen. Its one thing for Jason to identify a problem and say it
needs to be fixed. Its another to provide a solution - which Jason stops short
of. Cannon is saying this problem can't be fixed legislatively - I've
talked to him about this and he's explored the issue extensively. It will
take a constitutional amendment to solve this problem.
Working for? Who cares? | 3:39 p.m. May 22, 2008
Who cares what Cannon is "working for?" What has he actually done?
Chaeffetz will be "working for" largely the same things, and I
don't see why it hurts us to have a different guy "working for"
those things since we're not seeing any results and as a result of the
democrat imbalance likely won't see any results for a long time...
I guess in comparison to Chaeffetz and in response to "what has he done," I would say that Cannon and Chaeffetz are tied in the number of important pieces of legislation they have gotten passed in Congress (at zero). But Chris has had 12 years to get something done, while this would be Jason's first crack at things. I guess Chris does have a significant lead in open-foot-insert-mouth moments, so that's something.
I guess in comparison to Chaeffetz and in response to "what has he done," I would say that Cannon and Chaeffetz are tied in the number of important pieces of legislation they have gotten passed in Congress (at zero). But Chris has had 12 years to get something done, while this would be Jason's first crack at things. I guess Chris does have a significant lead in open-foot-insert-mouth moments, so that's something.
James | 3:50 p.m. May 22, 2008
Great, so I get to debate Jason Chaffetz' campaign manager.
Try Russel Skousen. He was a Cabinet level secretary for John Huntsman for the first year. He is the one who is the "source" that is so baseless.
As for them not supporting Chaffetz it is not because of his liberal v conservative views. It is because he was so entirely ineffective. He was mean, petty, stab people in the back and walk all over them. It reached a point where because of how he treated people Huntsman faced a small revolt: Either Jason left or several of them would leave. Huntsman fired Jason Chaffetz.
And Jason is very liberal. Russel Skousen will also tell you that in Cabinet meetings, when issues would come up Jason would almost always push the liberal policy, while others would push conservative policies.
There is absolutely NO evidence that Jason is conservative, other than campaign rhetoric.
And Australia will come out. Whether during the primary or in the general. And when it does the voters of Utah are going to be pretty sheepish. The media already has the story.
The moment Cannon beat Jacob Mrs Scott began recruiting anyone to run. She found Jason.
Try Russel Skousen. He was a Cabinet level secretary for John Huntsman for the first year. He is the one who is the "source" that is so baseless.
As for them not supporting Chaffetz it is not because of his liberal v conservative views. It is because he was so entirely ineffective. He was mean, petty, stab people in the back and walk all over them. It reached a point where because of how he treated people Huntsman faced a small revolt: Either Jason left or several of them would leave. Huntsman fired Jason Chaffetz.
And Jason is very liberal. Russel Skousen will also tell you that in Cabinet meetings, when issues would come up Jason would almost always push the liberal policy, while others would push conservative policies.
There is absolutely NO evidence that Jason is conservative, other than campaign rhetoric.
And Australia will come out. Whether during the primary or in the general. And when it does the voters of Utah are going to be pretty sheepish. The media already has the story.
The moment Cannon beat Jacob Mrs Scott began recruiting anyone to run. She found Jason.
BBKing | 4:00 p.m. May 22, 2008
I am BBKing, and I can only laugh at the post claiming that I am a Cannon
staffer.
Is that best you can do? And the best part is, it is more evidence of how the I-hate-Chris-Cannon crowd work. If it sounds good, say it. It sounded good for Chaffetz to talk about his concentration/focus/detention camps, so he says it. Sounded great for the right-wing delegates. Now he's backpeddaling like it's an Olympic sport.
You people claim that Cannon supports Open Borders yet he has voted to put up over 1,000 miles of fence and barriers. He has voted for thousands of new Border Patrol agents. He has voted for the e-Verify program. He has voted for all of these tough measures you folks scream for, but it isn't enough.
This isn't about fact or reason. It isn't about logic or understanding of the realities of an elected government. This is about emotion and name calling. It is about screaming the other people down until they submit to your will.
No spin, I do not work for Cannon in any way. I am a conservative Republican, former delegate tired of the right-wing games. Time to look at facts not rhetoric.
Is that best you can do? And the best part is, it is more evidence of how the I-hate-Chris-Cannon crowd work. If it sounds good, say it. It sounded good for Chaffetz to talk about his concentration/focus/detention camps, so he says it. Sounded great for the right-wing delegates. Now he's backpeddaling like it's an Olympic sport.
You people claim that Cannon supports Open Borders yet he has voted to put up over 1,000 miles of fence and barriers. He has voted for thousands of new Border Patrol agents. He has voted for the e-Verify program. He has voted for all of these tough measures you folks scream for, but it isn't enough.
This isn't about fact or reason. It isn't about logic or understanding of the realities of an elected government. This is about emotion and name calling. It is about screaming the other people down until they submit to your will.
No spin, I do not work for Cannon in any way. I am a conservative Republican, former delegate tired of the right-wing games. Time to look at facts not rhetoric.
Republican delegate | 5:31 p.m. May 22, 2008
Cannon effective?
Apparently few have spent anytime in D.C.
I used to work there and got to know the Washington LDS community pretty well. There are alot of prominent Mormons in the Bush Administration, Capitol Hill, the think tanks and lobbyists.
Everyone considers Cannon a joke. His weird statements have killed his credibility. He is considered an embarrassment by most.
Remember the Clinton impeachment? Bill Clinton commits perjury. What does Cannon do? Talks to the national media about how it is all a plot to spread the acceptance of certain sexual practices.
Then, there was the bit when he claimed to have made a deal to get rid of Al Gore.
Or, the time he blamed the pages for Mark Foley's solicitations of teenage males.
Sure. Cannon has been in Congress for awhile. But, he'll never be a significant player. I overheard one of his House Resources Committee colleagues call him one of the biggest bozos on the Hill. That is why he has so little in his legislative record. That is why he gets the pro-forma stuff like a letter from the President rather than a visit.
Utah, have some pride. Send Cannon home.
Apparently few have spent anytime in D.C.
I used to work there and got to know the Washington LDS community pretty well. There are alot of prominent Mormons in the Bush Administration, Capitol Hill, the think tanks and lobbyists.
Everyone considers Cannon a joke. His weird statements have killed his credibility. He is considered an embarrassment by most.
Remember the Clinton impeachment? Bill Clinton commits perjury. What does Cannon do? Talks to the national media about how it is all a plot to spread the acceptance of certain sexual practices.
Then, there was the bit when he claimed to have made a deal to get rid of Al Gore.
Or, the time he blamed the pages for Mark Foley's solicitations of teenage males.
Sure. Cannon has been in Congress for awhile. But, he'll never be a significant player. I overheard one of his House Resources Committee colleagues call him one of the biggest bozos on the Hill. That is why he has so little in his legislative record. That is why he gets the pro-forma stuff like a letter from the President rather than a visit.
Utah, have some pride. Send Cannon home.
Robert H | 5:55 p.m. May 22, 2008
So on the one had Chaeffetz campaign manager blasts anonymous attacks on
Chaeffetz. Then the next 20 posts have anonymous attacks on Cannon.
Chaeffetz is pretty low about how he handles all of this. And his campaign will stoop to any level in order to win. So now it is anonymous LDS members, staffers, White House, etc blasting Cannon.
Lies, dang lies then Jason Chaeffetz.
And now we are back to the real focus of this entire campaign seasion: We-hate-Chris-Cannon. That is all that matters here for so many.
Chaeffetz is pretty low about how he handles all of this. And his campaign will stoop to any level in order to win. So now it is anonymous LDS members, staffers, White House, etc blasting Cannon.
Lies, dang lies then Jason Chaeffetz.
And now we are back to the real focus of this entire campaign seasion: We-hate-Chris-Cannon. That is all that matters here for so many.
Cynthia | 6:10 p.m. May 22, 2008
I went to my first mass meeting this year and was elected a county delegate. I
went with my husband to watch the State convention and was struck by the hatred
coming from the Jason supporters. They booed people. Watched one person almost
yelling at an older couple who were supporting the Congressman.
I would embarrassed if I were the challenger. And I'm glad to read he is behind by 15 percentage points. Last thing we need is that kind of a new congressman.
I would embarrassed if I were the challenger. And I'm glad to read he is behind by 15 percentage points. Last thing we need is that kind of a new congressman.
Michael T | 6:28 p.m. May 22, 2008
I take me two little girls to see Chronicles of Narnia and come back to see
this. Have we not been subjected to enough of the Cannon haters? You have
absolutely nothing to add to the dialogue of government and policy other than
you hate Chris Cannon. Your hatred permeates everything you do. You are totally
ridiculous. I have not been to one of these Republican conventions that
apparently is all the rage but I won't another one from here.
Just to skip to the chase let's just have a contest as to who hates Chris Cannon the most. And while you rocket scientists are tripping over yourselves to win that the rest of us will help a good Congressman win reelection.
You Cannon haters are the exact reason why good people don't run for office or even get involved. How do some of you even look yourselves in the mirror!?
Just to skip to the chase let's just have a contest as to who hates Chris Cannon the most. And while you rocket scientists are tripping over yourselves to win that the rest of us will help a good Congressman win reelection.
You Cannon haters are the exact reason why good people don't run for office or even get involved. How do some of you even look yourselves in the mirror!?
Anonymous | 6:40 p.m. May 22, 2008
*** "don't think you quite understand the issue. Jason has said this
problem (anchor babies) needs to fixed. So has Cannon. The fact of the matter
is, this situation exists because the constitution says that if you are born in
the US you are a citizen." ***
It doesn't say that, EXACTLY. There is that little clause in there about "subject to the jurisdiction thereof." In fact, for several decades after the amendment was passed it was not interpreted to grant automatic citizenship to any and all born on US soil. Who are we to suggest that the folks who actually made the amendment a law didn't know what they meant?
It doesn't say that, EXACTLY. There is that little clause in there about "subject to the jurisdiction thereof." In fact, for several decades after the amendment was passed it was not interpreted to grant automatic citizenship to any and all born on US soil. Who are we to suggest that the folks who actually made the amendment a law didn't know what they meant?
jeremy webb | 6:48 p.m. May 22, 2008
what is the austrilia story. somebody tell me or e-mail me
Nu Skin | 7:51 p.m. May 22, 2008
While running Nu Skin Australia he mismanaged money. In the audit to clarify
what money was spent where it was learned that he had spent Nu Skin money on
strippers.
Media has it and it will come out. If Jason wins the primary and it comes out in the fall the Democrat will likely win. Or we will have another 5 hour cry-a-thon press conference as he resigns office.
Media has it and it will come out. If Jason wins the primary and it comes out in the fall the Democrat will likely win. Or we will have another 5 hour cry-a-thon press conference as he resigns office.
Neither... | 8:07 p.m. May 22, 2008
I don't think I would be voting for these guys. Cannon looks like he is a
burn-out politician and I think a fresh face is needed in there, but Jason
looks like a kid who is still sucking a pacifier and I think he is going to be
the "tickle me Elmo" doll for the big wigs in DC....Lord help us
all...
Location | 9:05 p.m. May 22, 2008
To those posters trying to make a big deal about Chaffetz not actually living in
the district: Chaffetz lives CLOSER to me than Cannon. Cannon has completely
alienated the Salt Lake County portion of the district, Chaffetz has not. A few
years ago when they changed the boundaries, we didnt even know we were in
Cannon's district until the election because we didn't see or hear
ANYTHING from him!
Rascal flats | 9:58 p.m. May 22, 2008
Hey location, can I say that your post is really a bother to me?
It is your job as a citizen to learn who your representatives are. Not their job to knock on your door and introduce themselves. Do you know who you state legislator is? Your state senator? Your city councilmember? School board member? State school board member? County council member is? Is that Chris Cannon's fault as well?
Or are you waiting to have them knock on your door next?
Seriously, people have a responsibility here as well. It is good you are finally paying attention but I assure you, that is not Chris Cannon, John Huntsman, Orrin Hatch, George Bush or any one elses fault.
Please, find a better case to make for your vote in this election.
It is your job as a citizen to learn who your representatives are. Not their job to knock on your door and introduce themselves. Do you know who you state legislator is? Your state senator? Your city councilmember? School board member? State school board member? County council member is? Is that Chris Cannon's fault as well?
Or are you waiting to have them knock on your door next?
Seriously, people have a responsibility here as well. It is good you are finally paying attention but I assure you, that is not Chris Cannon, John Huntsman, Orrin Hatch, George Bush or any one elses fault.
Please, find a better case to make for your vote in this election.
Effective! | 11:06 p.m. May 22, 2008
All these posts about Congressman Cannon being a joke are frankly a joke. The
man is the head of the Western States Cacus. You don't get a position like
that if people think your comments are odd or your ineffective. The facts speak
for themselves. If you do your homework and understand how Congress and the
legislative process work you will see that he is very effective. As an example
Chris has sponsored and cosponsored legistlation that has passed the house. Ron
Paul has never accomplished that. It easy to be lulled into thinking that one
man in congress can make a difference all by himself but the reality of the
situtation is that is not the case. Congress was designed not to work that way!
When you understand how it works you can easily see Cannon is doing a great job!
arc | 12:00 a.m. May 23, 2008
Some of the bad comments re: Jason are not true.
If there was a problem while he was working at Nu Skin, why did the chair of Nu Skin donate $2000 to support him running. I noticed Hunstman Corp on the list of donors as well. Any donations over $200 are public. There are some really sharp people on the list.
People that are worrying about the Democrat winning should look at the poll. Jason does as well as Chris against the BYU alum Democrat.
Fire the Cannon, vote for Jason.
If there was a problem while he was working at Nu Skin, why did the chair of Nu Skin donate $2000 to support him running. I noticed Hunstman Corp on the list of donors as well. Any donations over $200 are public. There are some really sharp people on the list.
People that are worrying about the Democrat winning should look at the poll. Jason does as well as Chris against the BYU alum Democrat.
Fire the Cannon, vote for Jason.
Cannonsbetterthanchaffetz | 12:24 a.m. May 23, 2008
Let's face it: Delegates at the convention screwed it up by choosing
Chaffetz over Leavitt. Leavitt could have beaten Cannon, but wouldn't
stoop to Chaffetz's stupid rhetoric. Replacing Cannon with Chaffetz is
like replacing Saddam with Hitler. Vote Cannon and find a real candidate in
2010 to run against Cannon.
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