Comments about ‘FLDS hearings advance amid confusion, angst’

Will the Texas CPS insanity ever end? Texas will pay and pay dearly for the kidnapping of over 450 children from their natural mothers arms. Repercussions will be felt for years to come. Some of those children's lives will be ruined and others will need therapy because of CPS and the courts actions. Was it worth it? Governor Perry, you have no evidence of wrong doing and if you did you would let the innocent go free. You have no mandate to force an entire community of citizens to bow before the State and blackmail them to sign over their parental rights in court. Now go and do the politically correct thing, Governor Perry, and let those people go back home. Persecution is UN-American, even in Texas, isn't it?

Same old story day after day.
The FLDS people need to learn some new lines to try to get more sympathy for themselves.

CPS, Let the children go home

This Bi--- Meisner "To our knowledge, we can't identify that we have her," Meisner said.

No doubt. Can we toss her in the slammer for a few days for this? When is CPS going to have to take some responsibility and be held accountable for their actions? I'd be firing people by now.

No matter how wrong the Courts are
They never admit guilt for their wrongs
Many innocennt people are in JAIL because the Courts have un wise Judges
I am talking about Utah as well

Texas continues to investigate if "sarah was a hoax?" What a waste of taxpayer money since even I have caller i.d. and access to my phone records. Why the lie about a need for investigation? Oh wait, TX authorities want moer time to investigate FLDS finances...the real reason for the removal of the children since it seems most of the female "minors" were actually legal adults that had drivers licenses and birth certificates that were IGNORED by CPS.

While many of you chose to ignore this travesty, the issue stopped being abut Polygamy long ago (especially given that TX stated it would not prosecute polygamy) but $$$$.

My goodness, it really stinks when you have to actually present your evidence of underage brides, and oops the are mostly adults. Citizens of TX get your gov. to put a leash on CPS they obviously have too much power. Do the right thing. Send the kids home to their mamas now.

As this case -- that began so well -- drags on and on, with so little particularized evidence produced, I worry that the State of Texas is setting itself up to become a very substantial beneficiary of the FLDS, perhaps even larger than the Utah and Arizona welfare rolls.

The Texas Attorney General seems to be learning, a little late, perhaps, what his Arizona and Utah counterparts learned long ago; this secret combination, whose purpose is to get [financial and sexual] gain, is extremely skillful in the use of deception, dissimulation, and duress against both its own people, and legally constituted authorities. In short, in their warped view of the universe, FLDS leaders easily justify as holy any means to preserve their ungodly prerogatives.

Here's hoping the Arizona and Utah Attorneys General are providing to the embattled Texas authorities all the evidence, assistance, and expertise they have accumulated over the years.

Isn't it interesting that not only are they punishing EVERY family for this one (or two) underage girl, but they are punishing her too and trying to take her other baby. Heartless and cruel. This is a parental punishment agency not child protection. I pray that someone will give this girl and the ladies jobs that pay good and can allow flexibility to visit/take care of their children and homeschool if they choose (it can be done in a single parent home albiet very hard) if their husband's can't or won't do the economic side of the relationship to support these children. I feel real sorry for these mothers of 11 children (or any size) now single moms trying to support them.. I think CPS knows a single mom CAN'T see all 11 children 900 miles away from each other and get a suitable job and home alone. Cruel. We can help recompense by helping these ladies fulfill Texas's obligations and not letting them stand alone and thrown to the wolves and loose children. We can fight back for innocent families by calling all reps and high officials and calling them to the carpet on perversion of justice--harming the innocent.

We don't have enough people in Texas mad enough or fighting hard enough or Representatives that have the guts to stand up to CPS. I thought we had judges and officials that had Texas strength. They are letting all Texan's down. So far, only the innocent are being punished (and very very severely at that) and the guilty are long gone... This is a perversion!!! These moms are having to do the impossible to MAYBE get their children back...

So interesting the FLDS were accused of teaching their children that people on the outside were evil. Now CPS has proven to those kids how evil the people outside really can be. I do hope these kids can make some bonds with their host families so they will know that we aren't all as evil as CPS. I have always taught my kids that the police are our friends, they are there to protect us from bad and evil people. Too bad these marshalls and sherriffs had to turn on the kids and forcfully take them from the only people who they felt secure with. Talk about abuse!

"I chose to stay away and let them have a better life" What page if that on in the Book of Mormon instruction manual on how to be a good father? What chapter? "How to have children and abandon them?" So this isn't a ghetto thing? It's a religious thing!! A patriarchal one at that. Surprise surprise.

Hello people....

POLYGAMY IS AGAINST THE LAW.... AND THESE PEOPLE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE LAW ABIDING CITIZENS..... I HEARD IT FROM THEIR OWN MOUTHS... "WE HAVE BROKEN NO LAW, WE ARE LAW ABIDING CITIZENS"

THERE HAVE ALSO BEEN TOOOO MANY YOUNG GIRLS IN THE WHO HAVE BEEN MARRIED UNDERAGED!!

THIS CRAZINESS MUST STOP!!!!!

IT WILL TAKE AN ACTION LIKE THIS TO BRING IT TO A CLOSE...

LOOK CLOSELY HOW MANY OF THESE MOTHERS AND CHILDREN ARE ON STATE ASSISTANCE AND THEN LOOK INTO THEIR CHURCH BANK ACCOUNTS..... HOW MUCH MONEY DID THEY FIND IN THE VEHICLE WARREN JEFFS WAS DRIVING AROUND IT? WHAT KIND OF VECHILE WAS HE DRIVING AROUND IN???

C'MON SOMEONE MUST DO SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The people of the state of Texas are not interested in what is right or even just. They, abetted by the good "Christians" of El Dorado county are interested only in eradicating a religious (sect, cult or not)from their midst. They cannot abide a community near them that is independant and uninterested in seeing faith through "Christian" (read Baptist) eyes. The power structure of the Bible belt is in full sway here, and no broken record complaint is going to alter their mindset against these people. If there are guilty among the FLDS, prosecute, but thus far the house of cards which is the CPS, is beginning to fall. Only the spin doctoring remains to be done.

Many of us in Texas HAVE been writing letters to our government officials begging for help for these people. If you live in Texas you know power of CPS. You also know that it is impossible to get Rick Perry to act against wrong. He is at the helm of this investigation and it is looking like a smoke screen more and more every day. What are you hiding, Rick Perry, that lets the innocent suffer such atrocities as kidnapping by their government disguised as officials, and imprisionment without proper representation? The lawyers are trying. The Law is there but Texas defies the law and hides behind a ficticious girl for some unknown reason that is not polygamy. I don't think it is abuse either. How many girls in Texas date young? Engage in sex young? Have children young? Do we go kidnap them or their parents, who must be grooming them to act in those ways? Hmmmmmmm Where are honest leaders? Not Texas

Working in law enforcement, I am torn with this situation. I understand the difficulty of taking a child from a mother as I have had to do the same. When this first unfolded; I understood the legal basis for why and what they did, but it over-reaching to almost the extreme.

There is no way they can protect the civil rights of these families.

This should have been done on a case by case basis which they are now trying to do amidst confusion and chaos they created. You can't tell me that religious prejudice is not playing its part.
I hope they can root out those that deserve punishment without ruining entire families and setting a precedent for trampling on religious rights.

"Texas child welfare authorities maintain that children on the ranch were abused or at risk of abuse. During one hearing on Tuesday for a 1-year-old boy, it was revealed that the child's mother is 17. Theoretically, that means she was 15 when her son was conceived. The baby's father did not show up in court. The hearing was continued because the mother is eight months pregnant now. "We've always known that there are one or two or three examples of that out there," Parker told the Deseret News. "What I've always been denying is there are 26 or 31 examples, which is what CPS has claimed.""

A 17-year-old mother, with a one-year-old child, and eight months pregnant, and her "loving" husband and the father of her one-year-old couldn't be bothered to show up in court to fight for custody of his child.

Of course, the FLDS attorney tries to minimize this as just one example.

Exhibit #1 of how unimportant individual women and children are in the overall plan of the controlling FLDS men to marry as many women and father as many children as possible.

When it comes to actually being fathers to these children... fathers are MIA!!!

No matter how you slice it...what the state of Texas did to these families is wrong, wrong, wrong! Due process is NOT holding one hearing with 359 lawyers, 100 in a jam packed court room, and 259 in an auditorium with a video feed...and trying to determine if 463 individual children should be taken from their families! What a sham!!! Judge Barbara Walther has set herself apart by being the only judge in the history of the United States, to trample on this many U.S. citizens Constitutional rights during a single hearing. This judge needs to be impeached...NOW! And every CPS worker involved, who had a hand in this American Tragedy needs to be summarily fired! The state of Texas has given itself a black eye, by painting this entire community of citizens with such a broad brush. They've made a mockery of the criminal justice system, and history will not be kind to such ham-fisted tyrants. These poor people have been slandered and maligned by the media, and raked over the coals by their government. Behavior like this should not be tolerated from our civil servants! Shame on Texas, and shame on America for allowing it to happen.

TX authorities have already stated, repeatedly, that they will not prosecute for polygamy. Besides, polygamy is the legal taking of multiple wives while the FLDS only spiritually marry.

As for your belief that "OOOO MANY YOUNG GIRLS IN THE WHO HAVE BEEN MARRIED UNDERAGED!!" The facts show that only one girl was 15 and there is still no evidence that she got pregnant in TX and therefore illegal. The remainder of the "minors" seem now to be getting listed as adults, which they originally stated but which CPS refused to acknowledge DESPITE the fact they were offered BOTH drivers licenses and birth certificates. Yet, CPS claimed the FLDS were lying. The courts are now validating that the FLDS WOMEN were telling the truth about their ages.

Also, NONE of the mothers and children are on state assistance in TX and this action is taking place in TX. Any other state action is IRRELEVANT. Are you also aware that the FLDS have a government contract in which they earn $1,000,000 per year and that is only one account? Oh wait, that is fact so you ignore it...gotcha!

Agnostic

""My client could be asked to denounce Jesus Christ and worship Thor," Kathryn Jeffs' lawyer Nancy DeLong said. [Nice strawman -- attorneys love to create the most bizarre hypotheticals]

Kolb asked that language be added to the plan, guaranteeing his client's constitutional right to worship freely. The judge solved at least part of the problem.

"I'm not sure there is a conflict if everyone agrees here that physical, sexual and emotional abuse of children are inappropriate regardless of your religious tenets," she said."

The FLDS can't seem to understand that Texas isn't trying to get them to abandon all of their religious beliefs. Texas is only trying to get the FLDS to abandon religious practices that abuse children -- forcing underage marriages of girls and indoctrinating boys to become child abusers -- but the FLDS are so convinced that there is nothing wrong with these practices, that they see this as nothing more than an assault on their religious beliefs.

Warren Jeffs should be proud that he has created such mindless, guiltless, child-abusing followers.