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Four more FLDS 'disputed minors' declared adults
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COSMO | 2:56 p.m. May 20, 2008
Well Shazam! Shazam! What next pray tell? TEXAS CPS,
may I suggest that you cut to the chase, and GULP!
admit that YOU WERE WRONG! Return the children now,
and you might save some semblance of dignity.
However I expect you and your TEXAS TERRORIST'S, the
Sheriff's office and Courts, to be all that you can be, and that is a bunch of Fascists!
may I suggest that you cut to the chase, and GULP!
admit that YOU WERE WRONG! Return the children now,
and you might save some semblance of dignity.
However I expect you and your TEXAS TERRORIST'S, the
Sheriff's office and Courts, to be all that you can be, and that is a bunch of Fascists!
Jim in Reno | 3:03 p.m. May 20, 2008
The case is coming apart; no evidence! no proof!
no nothing! I hope those who were so sure of abuse learn something about "jumping to conclusions."
As I said before; Texas; hold a news conference; show us the "offenders" show us "Sarah"...what's that, you can't? Too many "Adults?" Spritual Marriages...just that? Liars locking up "prophets;" I can't wait for the next installment of this travesty; will "judge" walters keep her chicken ranch? Will Texas try to land grab the YFZ Ranch?
This is better than "Dallas" used to be!
no nothing! I hope those who were so sure of abuse learn something about "jumping to conclusions."
As I said before; Texas; hold a news conference; show us the "offenders" show us "Sarah"...what's that, you can't? Too many "Adults?" Spritual Marriages...just that? Liars locking up "prophets;" I can't wait for the next installment of this travesty; will "judge" walters keep her chicken ranch? Will Texas try to land grab the YFZ Ranch?
This is better than "Dallas" used to be!
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Think!!!! | 3:03 p.m. May 20, 2008
Sad when mother's are "pushed into signing" papers in order to
get their children back. The suffering of these innocent children is one of the
biggest atrocities to have happened on American soil!!! I pray it will be soon
over for them and that they can return to their loving mothers. How long will
the American people sit by and watch this continue? Until everyones rights are
gobbled up in the frenzy of the political power userpers? SHAME ON TEXAS!!
SHAME ON GEORGE BUSH WHO CANNOT EVEN STOOP TO HEAR THE CRIES OF THE INNOCENT
CHILDREN!! When the storm troopers first went in, there might have been a
question, then they went to far and now they are making these children and their
parents suffer for no reason but to cover their political back sides.
Texas digs deeper | 3:11 p.m. May 20, 2008
They are trying to dig themselves out of a hole, and this may be the case that
puts "protective services" out of the violating-rights business.
I'll bet they're crying in their beer, wishing that they had never started this.
I'll bet they're crying in their beer, wishing that they had never started this.
bilbo | 3:15 p.m. May 20, 2008
no place as big as Texas....no mess as big as Texas....no fools as big as a
Texas fool....yep you got 'em.
Iowa Lad | 3:29 p.m. May 20, 2008
While disapproving of polygamous marriages, the conduct of the State of Texas in
this matter is beyond acceptability. The State of Texas is using the "rule
of law" and the court system in a manner similar to a dictatorship or some
mediaval authoritarian ruler with serious mental problems. Our Founding Fathers
would not approve of the actions of the State of Taxas. Bring on Jury
Nullification at the very least and let those people be. To each his own and
Robert Frost wrote in wise manner, "good fences good neighbors make".
Child Protective Services in Taxas are truly bored and mindless people caught up
in a bureaucratic craze. .
klh | 3:38 p.m. May 20, 2008
Ester Barlow is on the "fast track" to having her children returned
because she is willing to move away from the ranch. CPS/Texas wants all of
those families to denounce their religion and disassociate themselves from
it--at least that is what it is starting to look like.
While I don't agree w/ their beliefs, they are entitled to have them. They are entitled to their constitutional rights, even in Texas.
The Branch Davidians, FLDS, who is next?? We should all watch our backs.
While I don't agree w/ their beliefs, they are entitled to have them. They are entitled to their constitutional rights, even in Texas.
The Branch Davidians, FLDS, who is next?? We should all watch our backs.
Mr Roper | 3:48 p.m. May 20, 2008
You can tell how old they are by cutting off their finger and counting the
rings. Duh!
Stop the abuse! | 4:21 p.m. May 20, 2008
Their FLDS beliefs are abusive to children. The FLDS people need to be STOPPED!
NO MORE CHILD MARRIAGES! NO MORE MIND CONTROL! NO MORE BRAINWASHING! LIVE AND
LET LIVE! LET THE CHILDREN LIVE THEIR OWN LIVES AND CHOOSE THEIR OWN SPOUSES!
Evidence | 4:37 p.m. May 20, 2008
Justice is Justice, if Judge walters steps down and another judge takes this, I
would feel that it is far, The Facts won�t change. Is she
scared that another judge would give a different ruling? (Does she have a
personal agenda?) Facts are Facts it shouldn�t matter to
her. As an American an scared as hell of where this is going.
John S. | 4:58 p.m. May 20, 2008
CPS in Texas reminds me of someone else from Texas who was a little over eager
to take over Iraq.
What is is about Texans? They think they can clean up the world and in the end they end up with a big mess. This will cost the state millions and millions.
What is is about Texans? They think they can clean up the world and in the end they end up with a big mess. This will cost the state millions and millions.
m | 4:58 p.m. May 20, 2008
Don't the FLDS have birth certificates? That sure would have cleared up
much of the confusion. I still maintain that the FLDS had the responsibility to
disclose (through documentation) the age of the people involved. Things would
have gone so much smoother if they had loosened their code of silence. Texas is
simply trying to figure out what to do without the facts (which would have been
so easy for the FLDS to disclose). The fact that they (FLDS) have been so
secretative speaks volumes.
Jonathan Wurst | 5:07 p.m. May 20, 2008
Does everyone hear foot steps coming? Step by step, the plethora of
accusations, number of "little girls" not being little girls, etc. is
disintegrating and CPS (and their "advisors") will be shown for the
liars that they are. One by one, their lies are being exposed, and their true
colors and motives are being exposed.
For those that didn't believe, it will all be clear very shortly.
For those that didn't believe, it will all be clear very shortly.
wyogirl | 5:10 p.m. May 20, 2008
1) Why is moving to another house equal to denouncing religion. I've
moved 5 times and never renounced my religion. The state wants to know that
these children won't be living with child abusers.
2) I think it is great that things are getting sorted out. In some cases the FLDS were correct - but in others the state was correct. The article mentioned one girl that was impregnated at 15. They didn't mention who her "husband" is. He is probably in hiding. That is the problem with letting yourself become the "honey" to another womans husband. You have no rights. Shame on those men for putting so many young girls in this position. At least the state of Texas is trying to put an end to this practice - they have taken on a big job, and they havn't done it perfectly, but at least they tried.
3) I hope that these Women will learn that they have to take care of themselves and their children. Their leaders and "men" will run and hide instead of protect them. They need to stand up and start acting like REAL mothers and women - not cowering servants.
2) I think it is great that things are getting sorted out. In some cases the FLDS were correct - but in others the state was correct. The article mentioned one girl that was impregnated at 15. They didn't mention who her "husband" is. He is probably in hiding. That is the problem with letting yourself become the "honey" to another womans husband. You have no rights. Shame on those men for putting so many young girls in this position. At least the state of Texas is trying to put an end to this practice - they have taken on a big job, and they havn't done it perfectly, but at least they tried.
3) I hope that these Women will learn that they have to take care of themselves and their children. Their leaders and "men" will run and hide instead of protect them. They need to stand up and start acting like REAL mothers and women - not cowering servants.
to Jonathan | 5:42 p.m. May 20, 2008
While the CPS case may be falling apart, I hope you and the other FLDS reading
and posting here have taken notice that only you find your actions acceptable.
No one else in America finds your cult-like actions reasonable. So rather than
get all excited that maybe you will get the kids back next year, why don't
you figure out how to reasonably co-exist with everyone? And figure out how to
worship without forsaking your family? Because the ONLY reason you even care
about your family is because you have some weird idea that it will get you into
a higher level of heaven and you will rule over others. Just the fact that you
all consider someone to be Jesus on earth, and then they die so now you think
the son is Jesus on earth... yeah - right - it gets handed down just like
Ceasar.
So your whole "religion" is about power, and you will use anyone and everyone to accomplish your goals. In case you didn't know, preying on innocent women and children, and stealing their futures, really isn't the best way to get on the good side of the all-powerful.
So your whole "religion" is about power, and you will use anyone and everyone to accomplish your goals. In case you didn't know, preying on innocent women and children, and stealing their futures, really isn't the best way to get on the good side of the all-powerful.
Re: wyogirl | 5:50 p.m. May 20, 2008
"Why is moving to another house equal to denouncing religion. I've
moved 5 times and never renounced my religion. The state wants to know that
these children won't be living with child abusers."
Have you been FORCED to move because the government told you to in order to keep your kids? The FLDS women appeared to live in SAFE and CLEAN homes on the ranch. The only reason CPS wants them to move is because it is a RELIGIOUS community. CPS has yet to demonstrate any abuse in the many homes on the ranch.
Have you been FORCED to move because the government told you to in order to keep your kids? The FLDS women appeared to live in SAFE and CLEAN homes on the ranch. The only reason CPS wants them to move is because it is a RELIGIOUS community. CPS has yet to demonstrate any abuse in the many homes on the ranch.
Anonymous | 5:49 p.m. May 20, 2008
Did they lose a baby, or did they make up a file. Either way this court and the
CPS case workers are making for an interesting circus act for the whole world to
see. They are denying many innocent people their rights by clumping them all
together like this that started whole-heartedly as a bonafide concentration
camp.
Get the perps. Leave the innocent ones alone.
Get the perps. Leave the innocent ones alone.
To wyogirl | 5:53 p.m. May 20, 2008
1.Moving to another house is equal to denouncing the religion when it is away
from normal ability to practice.
2. Are you willing to have your children removed by CPS if there is a pregnant teen in your subdivision? Why is there not the Widespread Abuse that CPS claimed and the very reason ALL children were removed? That is the problem, especially since even the FLDS claimed that there may indeed have been some young pregnancies but that it is OUTSIDE the norm...as seems to be the case based on real numbers.
Where are the "so many young girls? It seems most minors are being reclassified as adults now that the courts are validating drivers licenses and birth certificates which CPS refused initially because they could.
3. The women are taking care of themselves as they have for many years...well until CPS decided the kids were the wrong religion and read the wrong book including the Book of Mormon. The men left because it is not heroic to jump in front of a truck for no apparent reason. They ARE real mothers and women as they raise their children in beliefs they hold precious, even if you don't.
Agnostic
2. Are you willing to have your children removed by CPS if there is a pregnant teen in your subdivision? Why is there not the Widespread Abuse that CPS claimed and the very reason ALL children were removed? That is the problem, especially since even the FLDS claimed that there may indeed have been some young pregnancies but that it is OUTSIDE the norm...as seems to be the case based on real numbers.
Where are the "so many young girls? It seems most minors are being reclassified as adults now that the courts are validating drivers licenses and birth certificates which CPS refused initially because they could.
3. The women are taking care of themselves as they have for many years...well until CPS decided the kids were the wrong religion and read the wrong book including the Book of Mormon. The men left because it is not heroic to jump in front of a truck for no apparent reason. They ARE real mothers and women as they raise their children in beliefs they hold precious, even if you don't.
Agnostic
To M | 5:58 p.m. May 20, 2008
they did produce bith certs. "Judge" Walther said that she would not
accept them, as she felt they were forged. Meanwhile, they have been getting
certified copies from their respective birth states and this is exactly HOW they
are proving one by one, they are indeed adults.
Hey: to jonathan | 6:00 p.m. May 20, 2008
All religions are abusive and most are particularly abusive to women. Does that
give CPS the right to remove ALL children from all practicing religionists? I
am agnostic and most find my belief abusive and damnable. Should my children be
removed since I refuse to raise my children in the cultural norm? That is what
these hundreds of cases are about. They are a persecuted minority with all
being attacked for the few that are guilty of criminal acts.
Even if a 15 year old did get pregnant, legally it must be proven the crime took place in TX. The state must also prove that keeping the family united was attempted and that removal was the last resort in EVERY case. We all know how that will turn out since each family was acted upon as group over individual rights. Then ask why ALL pregnant 15 year olds do not have the same course of action. Heck, Karl Malone got a 12 year old pregnant and never so much as missed a game because of criminal action.
Even if a 15 year old did get pregnant, legally it must be proven the crime took place in TX. The state must also prove that keeping the family united was attempted and that removal was the last resort in EVERY case. We all know how that will turn out since each family was acted upon as group over individual rights. Then ask why ALL pregnant 15 year olds do not have the same course of action. Heck, Karl Malone got a 12 year old pregnant and never so much as missed a game because of criminal action.
To "to Jonathan" | 6:01 p.m. May 20, 2008
I disagree. You don't understand. You only see what kind of a person you
are. FLDS does not nor ever will condoned any immorality of any kind.
re to jonathan | 6:01 p.m. May 20, 2008
most religions are about power that does not give the government the right to
remove the children who beleive in those religions.
I do no believe in the FLDS religion and I am sure from time to time like all religions they may abuse their powers but I still think the parents should be able to raise their children the way they see fit.
should we go after the parents who do not believe in god next.
wake up if the cps does not like the way you are bringing up your children you could be next.
will the cps go after parents that gay marriage is OK be next.
I do no believe in the FLDS religion and I am sure from time to time like all religions they may abuse their powers but I still think the parents should be able to raise their children the way they see fit.
should we go after the parents who do not believe in god next.
wake up if the cps does not like the way you are bringing up your children you could be next.
will the cps go after parents that gay marriage is OK be next.
AJ | 6:02 p.m. May 20, 2008
Birth Certificates: According to reports on this site were presented and
rejected as false by Texas. The FLDS then called on Utah to intervene since
Utah'n legal documents are being rejected by Texas.
Hair ABUSE! | 6:02 p.m. May 20, 2008
The FLDS hairdos are most definitely a result of forced hair abuse.
realitycheck | 6:14 p.m. May 20, 2008
to - To to Johnathan 6:01pm
the gov't didn't remove the children because they believed in a religion - they took the kids because they were trapped in a compound being mind-controlled. If these people would have lived in a neighborhood (even if they owned the whole thing) they would probably have been ok. At least they would have had many addresses and only kids from one house would have been taken.
the gov't didn't remove the children because they believed in a religion - they took the kids because they were trapped in a compound being mind-controlled. If these people would have lived in a neighborhood (even if they owned the whole thing) they would probably have been ok. At least they would have had many addresses and only kids from one house would have been taken.
Gramma | 6:20 p.m. May 20, 2008
Slowly but surely the world is discovering what abusive monsters CPS is. If
there is any justice, it is CPS, NOT FLDS, that should standing trial.
The agony and suffering they have caused with their bloodthirsty, sadistic, perverted acts, is inexcusable.
Abolish CPS, now!
The agony and suffering they have caused with their bloodthirsty, sadistic, perverted acts, is inexcusable.
Abolish CPS, now!
Matthew | 6:25 p.m. May 20, 2008
The problem is probably that the Texas Authorities have never before seen an
adult woman that wasn't layered in makeup. So they assume that these women
with no wrinkles and no makeup are minors. Says a lot more negative about
mainstream Texas society than it does about the FLDS. Maybe if most Texans
wouldn't doll up their minors like street walkers they'd be able to
tell right from wrong too.
Deaf Ears -Blackmail the FLDS | 6:24 p.m. May 20, 2008
Right on Cosmo! Texas Governor Rick Perry needs to hear from all of us about CPS
and the courts flagrant abuse of the US Bill of Rights. Do the right thing,
Governor Perry and return the FLDS Children now.
This case isn't about Polygamy or abuse or fraud,
it's about destroying freedom by forcing compliance to governmental agency dictates in violation of the US Bill of Rights. This whole convoluted mess reeks of Fascism. The state of Texas has kidnapped over 450 children with a phoned in complaint by an anonymous caller, proven false. No face saving direction to turn, they blackmail FLDS parents to sign an admission of guilt, placing them on parole and submit themselves to CPS authority until their children are 18 with the threat of taking the child away anytime they deem appropriate- or have the child taken away now. Where is the justice in this? Since when does the state of Texas know more about nurturing than a child�s natural mother? We are innocent unless the state can bring real evidence and charges against us, period! Don�t sign those CPS documents FLDS mothers, you will be sorry!
This case isn't about Polygamy or abuse or fraud,
it's about destroying freedom by forcing compliance to governmental agency dictates in violation of the US Bill of Rights. This whole convoluted mess reeks of Fascism. The state of Texas has kidnapped over 450 children with a phoned in complaint by an anonymous caller, proven false. No face saving direction to turn, they blackmail FLDS parents to sign an admission of guilt, placing them on parole and submit themselves to CPS authority until their children are 18 with the threat of taking the child away anytime they deem appropriate- or have the child taken away now. Where is the justice in this? Since when does the state of Texas know more about nurturing than a child�s natural mother? We are innocent unless the state can bring real evidence and charges against us, period! Don�t sign those CPS documents FLDS mothers, you will be sorry!
To realitycheck | 6:26 p.m. May 20, 2008
The government did remove the children because they believed in a religion as
can be verified by the removal of the Book of Mormon and other texts. When the
judge demanded an explanation, the only comment made by CPS was "I have no
objection to the BOM being returned to them" without explanation and
without penalty for the removal action. That is reality, just check it. They
were not being "brainwashed" since it was their upbringing. What your
mother taught you would then qualify as brainwashing. While you call it a
compound, the records reflect seeming apartment complexes. Reality would
suggest a warrant for EACH apartment NOT THE ENTIRE COMPLEX.
Now ask yourself why TX authorities can still not admit to a fraudulent phone call when even I have caller I.D. Are you telling me authorities don't have access to such modern devices?
It's about the religion with an attempt to extort money for children...that's why the investigation isn't about the children but the finances of the FLDS church. A reality check would suggest checking of facts.
Now ask yourself why TX authorities can still not admit to a fraudulent phone call when even I have caller I.D. Are you telling me authorities don't have access to such modern devices?
It's about the religion with an attempt to extort money for children...that's why the investigation isn't about the children but the finances of the FLDS church. A reality check would suggest checking of facts.
Earl | 7:48 p.m. May 20, 2008
It's mentioned here several times about the address.
True, it's one street address, BUT this is an apartment/housing complex according to the courts own records. you can view those records on the Eldorado's newspaper site.
(county building permits) in case some don't get the picture.
Some, no most people will believe anything someone in authority says without question.
Don't be stupid!! do the research for yourself. It's all out there for all to see.
Someone once told me "You can always tell a Texan"
(but you can't tell him much)
True, it's one street address, BUT this is an apartment/housing complex according to the courts own records. you can view those records on the Eldorado's newspaper site.
(county building permits) in case some don't get the picture.
Some, no most people will believe anything someone in authority says without question.
Don't be stupid!! do the research for yourself. It's all out there for all to see.
Someone once told me "You can always tell a Texan"
(but you can't tell him much)
Thomas | 7:50 p.m. May 20, 2008
The FLDS doesnt need to head to the appellate court if they want justice. They
need to head to Federal court. Due Process of law does not exist in a Federal
court.
Fritz | 8:01 p.m. May 20, 2008
Hey!! There is a big bucks GATED and walled housing development right down the
road from my townhouse.
My Realtor tells me those houses sell for not less than a million bucks a throw.
BUT they have a big brick wall an electronic gate and a guard shack. They MUST be doing something in there!! They have all these big fancy cars and I never see any kids playing ,they must be locked up.. I need to make a call!!
It worked in Texas, why not here in Virginia?
My Realtor tells me those houses sell for not less than a million bucks a throw.
BUT they have a big brick wall an electronic gate and a guard shack. They MUST be doing something in there!! They have all these big fancy cars and I never see any kids playing ,they must be locked up.. I need to make a call!!
It worked in Texas, why not here in Virginia?
But seriously folks... | 8:05 p.m. May 20, 2008
-Were the actions of the Texas officials unimaginable? Of course!
-Should the FLDS folks be allowed to practise their religion (as long as they aren't breaking laws or abusing anyone)? Absolutley!
-Should the FLDS children be allowed to return to their mothers? Well apparently yes!
-Has there been damge done to the families caused by the state? Appears so!
-Should all CPS be banned? No way! But I think they need some checks and balances. There were probably more legitimte cases the CPS could have spent their time and dollars on. Like children of drug addicts and alcohilics. Meth is still a huge problem for Texas.
-Should the FLDS folks be allowed to practise their religion (as long as they aren't breaking laws or abusing anyone)? Absolutley!
-Should the FLDS children be allowed to return to their mothers? Well apparently yes!
-Has there been damge done to the families caused by the state? Appears so!
-Should all CPS be banned? No way! But I think they need some checks and balances. There were probably more legitimte cases the CPS could have spent their time and dollars on. Like children of drug addicts and alcohilics. Meth is still a huge problem for Texas.
to fritz | 8:11 p.m. May 20, 2008
it wouldn't work there because each property has its own street address,
just like the YFZ ranch is one street address.
what don't you get?
what don't you get?
Fritz re:to fritz | 8:32 p.m. May 20, 2008
Not so, The Gated place has a central mail depository even the post office
can't get in. The properties are identified by name not number. The place
actually has only one actual street address same as any Private Gated Community.
Check it out with your Realtor.Or better yet check a few trailer parks. No
street in the development belongs to the city so there are no numbers except
what ever the developer called the places.
See the piece by Earl above on the apartment complex. Most apartment houses have only one street address.
See the piece by Earl above on the apartment complex. Most apartment houses have only one street address.
Civics Teacher | 8:40 p.m. May 20, 2008
Instead of parenting classes the FLDS members need a good civics lesson. It is
your duty as a good citizen to vote. Judge Walters is coming up for election
soon. I have nothing to do with the FLDS, but if I were one of their leaders I
think I would have a God given vision instructing all members to register to
vote and to take an interest in local politics. After all one the problems seems
to be the seclusion the members where subjected to. What better way to break
that seclusion than a little politicking. Defeating the Judge and Sheriff in the
next election would probably be faster than an appeal.
Seattle | 8:46 p.m. May 20, 2008
I think the "harm" done to so many little children by the State is
quickly becomeing the primary issue. I would love to see the FLDS get back to
allowing "free agency" and not allow marriages of girls younger than
18, however, people do have their rights.
In trying to prove the age of some of these young mothers, does anyone know how long about Texas changed their law regarding the minimum age allowed to get married? I believe it was only 14 years old 2-3years ago. If a FLDS girl was married at 14 at that time, and then had a child would the State have any say in it?
I am sure some of these girls / mothers would fit in this catagory.
In trying to prove the age of some of these young mothers, does anyone know how long about Texas changed their law regarding the minimum age allowed to get married? I believe it was only 14 years old 2-3years ago. If a FLDS girl was married at 14 at that time, and then had a child would the State have any say in it?
I am sure some of these girls / mothers would fit in this catagory.
to realitycheck | 8:57 p.m. May 20, 2008
they were removed from the ranch be cause of religion---and what makes it a
compound the fence is barb wire anyone can climb over?Is it because religion is
a part of the mix?
Constitutionist | 9:07 p.m. May 20, 2008
I have read in todays Wall Street Journal about two men being sworn in as
officers in the US Army. They were sworn in to uphold the constitution. I
don't know if they will be allowed to do that in Texas.
Slater | 9:13 p.m. May 20, 2008
This blatant violation of civil rights in the service of an agenda fueled by
bigotry makes me ashamed of being a Texan and afraid for my own family. If there
is evidence of a crime, prosecute the criminals and punish them.
Outraged | 9:28 p.m. May 20, 2008
The more I hear about how Texas is dealing with the FLDS... I am outraged! The
comments I am hearing and the actual unconstitutional methods are haunting. WE
ARE IN AMERICA weather we like it or not we have due process, and we are
innocent until PROVEN guilty. I will never vacation in Texas or have anything to
do with that state until I see it is still an active part of the USA. God Bless
America!
Griping Grumbles | 9:41 p.m. May 20, 2008
To= Outraged--
perhaps you should take a vacation to the middle east for fun.
perhaps you should take a vacation to the middle east for fun.
Christina | 9:49 p.m. May 20, 2008
God Bless Texas!! 17 and pregnant with a 1yr. old child already is sickening. I
am with Flora they should prosecute the women along with the men. I hope most of
them young girls dont desire to go back once they see how good the outside world
really is. I really do feel for that 17yr. old little girl her childhood is lost
forever.
Silver Fox says... | 9:53 p.m. May 20, 2008
WOW... the FLDS are going for the jugular...with no seeming remorse for their
behaviour which prompted authorities to take action.
Texas authorities didn't wait to take action until every nuiance of the FLDS live style was understood and discussed in numerous bureaucratic meetings. Nor did they wait to see if the alleged telephone report of abuse at the compound was true. If they had done either one of these they would still be waiting to go in for the children.
They acted as they thought children were at risk.
The FLDS are somewhat to blame for their problems. They lied, failed to provide adequate evidence, encouraged each other and their children to give misleading information.
Could their leadership and attorneys have contributed to the mess. Of course!
Could the pot be calling the kettle black? Yes.
Texas authorities didn't wait to take action until every nuiance of the FLDS live style was understood and discussed in numerous bureaucratic meetings. Nor did they wait to see if the alleged telephone report of abuse at the compound was true. If they had done either one of these they would still be waiting to go in for the children.
They acted as they thought children were at risk.
The FLDS are somewhat to blame for their problems. They lied, failed to provide adequate evidence, encouraged each other and their children to give misleading information.
Could their leadership and attorneys have contributed to the mess. Of course!
Could the pot be calling the kettle black? Yes.
Still cant believe it | 9:59 p.m. May 20, 2008
I still cant believe the people still cheering Texas. Can't you see the
accusations are all lies? I bet that forced mariages and child rape a disgusting
to them to. That is why there was none at the ranch. CPS claims they still
belive there is but if they havent found it by now...it just isnt there. If a
girl is married there at age 14, i am shure she askd to be married. If it is
against the law, im shure it wasnt against the law when it happened.
From Texas | 10:10 p.m. May 20, 2008
This is will not end happily for gungho child grabbers. CPS has only so far
proven that they abuse the FDLS children. Even though the court cases have
begun, CPS has shown nothing in terms proof of abuse. CPS needs to give the
children back now and never again try to take children who are obviously not
abused.
little kitty | 10:37 p.m. May 20, 2008
Silver fox is right, if they had been forthcoming about familial relationships
this could have gone much faster. What I want to know is how many of these
spiritually married young women are collecting welfare checks as single
mothers...... like the folks living in other compounds have been. Its easy to
see how you can end up with a ton of money if 3 of your "wives"
receive gov. checks every month but don't spend any of it on food, clothes
or make up!
Go and do | 11:32 p.m. May 20, 2008
As a kid I was taught: "I will go and do the things which the Lord hath commanded, for I know that the Lord giveth no commandments unto the children of men, save he shall prepare a way for them that they may accomplish the thing which he commandeth them."
No matter how difficult the challenge, etc. The FLDS folks believe the same and their history claims they were given authority through John Taylor (and they show documented evidence as well as verified testimony).
For those who think they will suddenly see the light and change you are being a fool. And when polygamy is legal and they get the windfall of Texas compensation they may be proved right as they are rewarded for holding too the faith, unlike their LDS siblings.
Brooke | 11:42 p.m. May 20, 2008
Re: Little Kitty small brain, Texas CPS would not accept any documentation for
proof of relationship. No one at the compound was on the welfare rolls!!!
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