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Utah Jazz players not happy about lost chances
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ouch... | 1:48 a.m. May 16, 2008
What a low blow to Pauly Shore... Encino Man and Bio Dome weren't THAT
bad....actually.....wait......
Eugene | 5:27 a.m. May 16, 2008
The Jazz should have won this game!! The 4th quarter was so frustrating to
watch, especially Boozer missing easy shots under the basket. But no one has
talked about the fact there were 8 Lakers on the court in the 4th quarter. The
3 striped jerseys missed 2 offensive fouls on the Lakers that led to points as
well as the 3 or 4 phantom calls against the Jazz that led to LA 3 point plays.
All the time that the Jazz were mugged at the other end with no calls. I
don't usually complain about officiating that was pretty good through 3
quarters, but the Lakers would have lost this game if the refs hadn't have
pulled it out for them.
Boozer's a genius | 6:04 a.m. May 16, 2008
Speaking of Game 6 he said "We win that game,and there's one more game
after that."
I'm glad he cleared that up....hahahaha.
But in all fairness, he has to say things like that so the Spazz fans will understand him because they're not that smart.
I'm glad he cleared that up....hahahaha.
But in all fairness, he has to say things like that so the Spazz fans will understand him because they're not that smart.
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Anonymous | 8:00 a.m. May 16, 2008
Lakers controlled game 5 and won that is the bottom line Jazzies. Stop crying
like school girls about officiating. You are so old and tired - go back and
live in the 90s.
ColoJazzFan | 8:06 a.m. May 16, 2008
The officials definately effected the outcome of game 5. How could they ignore
Gasol doing a 2 handed push-off on his defender to get those 2 offensive
rebounds, and how could Doug Collins not cry foul on TV! That was outrageous.
Both rebounds led to points rather than Okur shooting foul shots and gave the
game to the Lakers right there. This doesn't even consider the other
phantom fouls that were called in the fourth quarter. The irony of this is that
this was a well called game until the fourth quarter. But suddenly all the
calls swung to the Lakers. I don't mean to be a cynic, but, it looks like
this series has been fixed! There should be an investigation of what's
going on here!!!
Sinan | 8:05 a.m. May 16, 2008
I remember the days, people were in a huge stress to join or not to the playoffs
in here. Now, we are in huge stress again but this time to play or not the
western final games and then the NBA final. What a fantastic improvement
we've got. I want to thank to the Jazz to make us a part of this carnival.
But we want more and more. THE FINAL is our target now.
GO MEMO , GO JAZZZZZZ
GO MEMO , GO JAZZZZZZ
JOE | 8:05 a.m. May 16, 2008
Which Jazz players become free agents after this season?
ZEKE | 8:06 a.m. May 16, 2008
Hopefully the officating will be better tonite. If it is the Jazz will win.
DWill will play great hopefully Boozer will have a good game.
Buster | 8:11 a.m. May 16, 2008
I'm just glad to see the jazz highlights on the way to commercials
tonight... I hate watching tnt, they LOVE Koby. Ya he's a good player, MVP
but dang. game 5 when he missed a shot, they would aske, "is that the
back???" give me a break. I had to watch half the fourth quarter with my
tv on mute.
Box out! | 8:19 a.m. May 16, 2008
The Jazz need to do a better job of boxing out Gasol and Odom if they want to
win. Those guys are getting way to many easy rebounds and then easy shots/dunks
in transition. The Lakers don't need Kobe to be making all his tough shots
if they're getting easy uncontested dunks from their big men.
Go Jazz! Take game 6!!!
Go Jazz! Take game 6!!!
It's Simple | 8:30 a.m. May 16, 2008
Boooooooo-zer plays like a man. He leaves his matador defensive cape at home.
He learns how to play. Or, he admits he is too hurt to contribute to the Jazz
and not the Lakers. Unfortunately, Collins would play better. At least he
isn't afraid to take a charge and knows how to flop. And yes, he will go
after loose balls.
Brewer plays more minutes, especially when he is kicking butt. Pretty boy Korver stays on the bench while CJ substitutes.
DWill continues his warrior play as well as Price.
It's not a hard concept. Although it seems to be for the Jazz.
Brewer plays more minutes, especially when he is kicking butt. Pretty boy Korver stays on the bench while CJ substitutes.
DWill continues his warrior play as well as Price.
It's not a hard concept. Although it seems to be for the Jazz.
Jerry | 8:30 a.m. May 16, 2008
Sloan is the one who needs to watch the game film, the part where Korver was in
the game trying to defend. Tonight at the game I will be chanting," Put in
C.J. ,Put in C.J.",Please join in and help me try to send a message to
coach Sloan. "Too much Korver,too much Korver."
David Farnsworth | 8:29 a.m. May 16, 2008
No, he has to say that for the reporters waiting for him to say SOMETHING.
Boozer is not the dummy here. Its reporters looking for a story, and not getting
one.
Go Jazz!
Go Jazz!
Jazz fan | 8:30 a.m. May 16, 2008
Hey you dont need to diss on boozer or the jazz, who do you think you are??
Speaking of Lost Chances... | 8:43 a.m. May 16, 2008
...the Jazz blew it in the regular season when they didn't show up to play
against Charlotte, Minnesota, New York, LA Clippers, and Miami. Jazz had a
great chance this year to get a #1 seed and Home Court throughout the Western
Conference playoffs. Only now do we see how important those games actually
were. Anyways...I'm still a homer, so I predict Jazz win the next two! GO
JAZZ!!
Utah Fan | 8:44 a.m. May 16, 2008
Ummmm, we aren't happy about this either!!
Boozer: go strong, have fun and quit looking for the calls to go your way.
AK: no 3 point shots in the 4rth Quarter
Harpring: Make your baseline jumper
Milshap: more playing time, turn into the offensive force you can be
Korver: shoot a better percentage
Boozer: go strong, have fun and quit looking for the calls to go your way.
AK: no 3 point shots in the 4rth Quarter
Harpring: Make your baseline jumper
Milshap: more playing time, turn into the offensive force you can be
Korver: shoot a better percentage
Hugh G. Hater | 8:45 a.m. May 16, 2008
Instead of watching the game tonight, I am heading off to LHM's other
entertainment venue: miller motorsports park. There will be real world class
professional entertainment (ALMS, go C6R!) untainted by a biased commissioner
and officiating crew. The jazz are done in 7 if not 6.
This team will NEVER win a championship with Jerry. 20 years and nothing. What is one more? He refuses to sit his stars who don't show up and play those who are always ready to show up. While boozer gives us 5 turnovers on his own CJ and the D league MVP polish the pine . . .
This team will NEVER win a championship with Jerry. 20 years and nothing. What is one more? He refuses to sit his stars who don't show up and play those who are always ready to show up. While boozer gives us 5 turnovers on his own CJ and the D league MVP polish the pine . . .
cuncabo | 8:46 a.m. May 16, 2008
May be Larry need to call the Booz out in the press again? Let him know he seem
disintrested and playing without heart.
Jazz Fan (The Original) | 8:56 a.m. May 16, 2008
Fouls?*!%& What a crock! It's the same all over the league. But
actually, no one is suggesting that all the contact, traveling, and foul mouth
conduct needs to or should be whistled by the officials. The rule is
"unless I (Dick Baveta, et. al)call it a foul, it isn't a foul".
Unless the ordinary fan understands this philosophy, then you will continue to
be befuddled about the NBA game. The home team, or the higher seed/home teams
ALWAYS have the benefit of the doubt. The other basic verity is "officials
always are correct, and the other beholders are in error". Understanding
these universal truths will help observers of the games. The third truth is the
league wants the major NBA markets to be in the FINALS, ie.....Los Angeles,
Chicago, New York, Boston. If it doesn't turn out that way, then the
ratings will not be high enough....as in who wants to watch the Jazz or the
Hornets versus Cleveland? Come on. Never the less, let all of us Jazz faithful
keep our heads up, and hope we hold court and force a seventh game, which could
be a Jazz win, if the Commissioner doesn't make the call to the officials.
fossil | 8:57 a.m. May 16, 2008
i guess the brass at memphis are like the kid in the movies dumb and dumber with
jum carry do you remember when they sold a dead parakeet fo a blind kid for
money reminds me of the memphis dummies for gasol and the dead bird is the two
worthless draft picks the lakers gave memphis the lakers really got away with
this steal. and the fisher farce both will sink us from nother win.
Eldon | 9:04 a.m. May 16, 2008
The spread from the foul line was more in every game in California than the
margin of points they won by.Its hard to beat seven men with only five
especially if two has a whistle.You cant beat La in La if your in a play off
game unless you are hot from hehind the three point line.they will mug you every
time you drive with no call Eldon
Losing | 9:05 a.m. May 16, 2008
Losers make excuses and blame refs. They also talk about if only this and if
only that. 2 more games left and the better team will win the series period and
the other will be left to cry about refs and the what ifs.
Curt | 9:19 a.m. May 16, 2008
I am glad that national media is talking about how the refs helped the Lakers
win. That was the most frustrating games to watch. Not only were the calls
glaringly unbalanced but the Jazz missed opportunities. Its like they all had
it in their head they could not take the lead let along win. Why does Miles not
get more time. He comes in with energy and on fire. He is instant energy and
instant offense. He is the best shooter on the team and thats what the Jazz
need to stretch the D. Put Korver and CJ on the court with boozer, williams and
Okur and Boozer and Williams will have alll the room they need in the lanes. I
love sloan but he is way to stubborn. He is still mad that miles did not play
in the rocky mountain revue and is still punishing him.
RE: Boozer's a genius | 9:43 a.m. May 16, 2008
Grow up. What, you don't have enough confidence in your team that you have
to start making personal attacks on Utah fans? Grow up pal.
Texas Jazz Fan | 9:56 a.m. May 16, 2008
Boozer's a Genius: 'Spazz,' that's funny. Did you think that
one up when you were in junior high, or did your ten year old help you out with
that one?
Being relatively uninterested in the Lakers, I don't see many of their games. How long has LA been doing the 'Spotlight-on-the-court-while-everything-else-is-dark' thing? I've never liked the Lakers, but I've got to admit that playing in a darkened arena is an exceptionally good home court trick, especially with transparent backboards.
Players talk about how hard it can be to shoot in an arena that isn't familiar to them, because it feels like the angles are off (I can only assume they are talking about the general layout of the arena throwing them off). I'd imagine nothing but darkness behind the backboards can really throw a shooter off. Congrats to the Lakers for creating a stronger home court advantage. More teams should be so creative.
Being relatively uninterested in the Lakers, I don't see many of their games. How long has LA been doing the 'Spotlight-on-the-court-while-everything-else-is-dark' thing? I've never liked the Lakers, but I've got to admit that playing in a darkened arena is an exceptionally good home court trick, especially with transparent backboards.
Players talk about how hard it can be to shoot in an arena that isn't familiar to them, because it feels like the angles are off (I can only assume they are talking about the general layout of the arena throwing them off). I'd imagine nothing but darkness behind the backboards can really throw a shooter off. Congrats to the Lakers for creating a stronger home court advantage. More teams should be so creative.
Curt | 9:56 a.m. May 16, 2008
Every game we get closer to winning in LA. Hopefully we can win at home and
finally break through and win game 7 in LA, like we did last year against
Houston. Am I the only one who want to wipe the smirk off all those ban wagon
celebrities who are showing up in LA again. Jack is the only true celebrity
fan, the rest need to go home and try cheering for a team through thick and
thin. LA fans drive me crazy they are the most irritating fans in the NBA. All
those fans who booed Kobe at the beginning of the season are the same ones
chanting MVP and they say Jazz fans have no class?
Sactown Laker fan | 10:02 a.m. May 16, 2008
Jazz fan....stop whining already!!! "8 Lakers on the floor" ...are you
serious?! You know, in EVERY NBA game you can find fault with referees.
Non-calls, phantom calls, whatever. You need to deal with it. The Jazz get more
than their share of calls at home and y'all know it....and would you please
stop booing after EVERY SINGLE CALL doesn't go your way. What a bunch of
babies! In a best of 7 series the better team always wins. So enjoy watching the
Lakers play while your team is on vacation next week.
PowerHouse | 10:02 a.m. May 16, 2008
Jazz will Pound the Lakers tonight...period!!
Quit whining about the refs already....I live in SoCal, and the laker fans are whining just as much as you are, and it is pathetic...Stop already.
Jazz will win game 7
You would think this is good right.....not when you live down here in SoCal.....
The beaching and moaning will begin right after the game.....
Quit whining about the refs already....I live in SoCal, and the laker fans are whining just as much as you are, and it is pathetic...Stop already.
Jazz will win game 7
You would think this is good right.....not when you live down here in SoCal.....
The beaching and moaning will begin right after the game.....
JazzFan4ever | 10:04 a.m. May 16, 2008
Let's see what happens tonight.If they win we get to view another game in
LA and I feel it will be worth watching.Who knows what a couple of plays might
bring a win or maybe a loss.Defense and more defense.Win just win.Hustle and
effort above all else. Above ego. Above stats. And to Boozer just listen to your
own advice and forget everything and everyone else, go out and enjoy the game
let it flow man just let it flow and live the moment.The team might need your
attitude and will more than stats.
John | 10:13 a.m. May 16, 2008
Reffing is fixed, Jazz will never beat the Lakers, the league won't allow
it.
RE: JOE | 10:13 a.m. May 16, 2008
CJ Miles is the only free agent.
There is a team option on Millsap.
The Jazz will more than likely sign Williams to a max this summer.
But they have pretty much the whole team next year!
There is a team option on Millsap.
The Jazz will more than likely sign Williams to a max this summer.
But they have pretty much the whole team next year!
RR | 10:14 a.m. May 16, 2008
To all anti-Jazz people:
If you hate the Jazz and their fans so much, why do you follow them, and post about them on the internet? Personally, if I hated a team, I'd stay far away from that team and their sites. But, some people are classless and just like to bash because they can't control their hatred. If that makes you happy...so be it.
If you hate the Jazz and their fans so much, why do you follow them, and post about them on the internet? Personally, if I hated a team, I'd stay far away from that team and their sites. But, some people are classless and just like to bash because they can't control their hatred. If that makes you happy...so be it.
Superior | 10:38 a.m. May 16, 2008
If the Jazz were the clearly the superior team, nothing the refs did would have
mattered. Winners win, losers whine.
So Utah | 10:40 a.m. May 16, 2008
Don't blame the officials! Jazz players aren't using the bad
officiating as an excuse, neither should the fans.
The game last night gave New Orleans reason to be crying about the officiating too. It's the playoffs and it's part of "home-cooking".
TO JOE: CJ Miles is the only "free-agent". Millsap has a team option on him. But the team should look the same next year.
The game last night gave New Orleans reason to be crying about the officiating too. It's the playoffs and it's part of "home-cooking".
TO JOE: CJ Miles is the only "free-agent". Millsap has a team option on him. But the team should look the same next year.
Randy | 10:42 a.m. May 16, 2008
It is so funny how the officials are now the bad guys and the lakers are the
ones being so physical; I didn't see those complaints when the Jazz won two
close games (one in OT) at home. Homecourt is what it is...when you play
physical don't expect the other team to lay down, like the Lakers did in
games 3 & 4. To say Utah is not physical or the referees just learned how
to blow whistles is nonsense...didn't Utah lead the league in fouls this
year because they embraced being physical? Stop whining like a Spurs fan and
just enjoy the games.
Re: Curt | 10:57 a.m. May 16, 2008
The Lakers were nothing until they got the gift from the Grizzlies. Kobe threw
his whole team under the bus last year and the beginning of this year. Talk
about MVP? Riiiigghhht....
Troy | 11:03 a.m. May 16, 2008
Memo to Mehmo, Karl Boozer, & AK: Either box out or start planning your
million dollar vacations this summer.....
It's so sad to watch the Lakers take uncontested shots on us like we're not even there. Stop playing scared, The Lakers are not that great...
If we can't get more out of Boozer and AK, we should package them for a big man (center or pf)
It's so sad to watch the Lakers take uncontested shots on us like we're not even there. Stop playing scared, The Lakers are not that great...
If we can't get more out of Boozer and AK, we should package them for a big man (center or pf)
K.W. | 11:06 a.m. May 16, 2008
Quit complaining about the officials. Whether or not they make good calls is
irrelevant. Don't put yourself in a position to allow the refs to change
the outcome. Make shots take care of the ball and box out on rebounds. Win the
game. JAZZ win game 6. Game 7 is a war. GO JAZZ!!!!!!!!!
reK.W. | 12:04 p.m. May 16, 2008
Sorry babe, but the refs are pretty blatant, and pointing that out is not
complaining, or whining. It's just that both teams deserve a fair shot.
not that bad | 12:19 p.m. May 16, 2008
The Jazz lost game 5 all on their own... but it was promising to see their
efforts and excepting the million turnovers in the first half, this really was
the best they've played so far this series in LA.
As for officiating, it goes both ways, it comes out a wash, and really can't be blamed. The jazz need to be good enough to win either way. The only call the baffled me was the Lamar Odom dunk toward the end of the game that was pretty much uncontested but he got a foul shot. I really can't figure out who touched him. But unbiased analysis would probably find a similar call that went the other way.
Will the Jazz win the series? It seems like a long shot... but for me I thought watching this last game made it seem like they're at least good enough to win.
Go Jazz!
As for officiating, it goes both ways, it comes out a wash, and really can't be blamed. The jazz need to be good enough to win either way. The only call the baffled me was the Lamar Odom dunk toward the end of the game that was pretty much uncontested but he got a foul shot. I really can't figure out who touched him. But unbiased analysis would probably find a similar call that went the other way.
Will the Jazz win the series? It seems like a long shot... but for me I thought watching this last game made it seem like they're at least good enough to win.
Go Jazz!
re:Ref Whiners | 12:32 p.m. May 16, 2008
Why not just make the Jazz play on baskets 11' high and call that
irrelevant. Just give the Lakers a basket 1' lower and tell the Jazz to
just box out and take care of the ball.
Th NBA needs to make things fair, and not so blatant.
Kobe diving into players, Gasol pusing in the back. Price gets slammed to the ground, and they finally make the call.
Michael to this day admits the push off.
Time for the NBA to just let the best team win, and stop the biased officiating.
Th NBA needs to make things fair, and not so blatant.
Kobe diving into players, Gasol pusing in the back. Price gets slammed to the ground, and they finally make the call.
Michael to this day admits the push off.
Time for the NBA to just let the best team win, and stop the biased officiating.
ctoe | 12:33 p.m. May 16, 2008
Everytime that the Jazz made a move to take the lead they choked. There was this
invisable force shield that stopped them before they could take the lead.
Someone on the Jazz (AK D-Will) needs to take the ball to the rim at this time
in order to get over the hump. Once we take the lead we need to extend it. We
can't be even with them, especially in LA, at the end of the game. If there
is no cusion near the end of the game, they'll get the calls and win....
Fred | 12:36 p.m. May 16, 2008
Since it's impossible to be objective about the refs when you're
watching "your" team, I did a little experiment. I paid close
attention to the referees in a few playoff games where I didn't care who
won. After watching, I've decided that the refs actually affect the outcome
of the games more than the players do. Home teams consistently get the calls.
It's subtle, but two or three noncalls can determine the momentum shifts and the outcome of a game. If a player gets mugged on one end with no call, often the other team ends up with a fast break at the other end. That's a four or five point swing, just because the ref wouldn't blow the whistle on an obvious foul by the home team. Two or three such noncalls often determine who wins.
Why have home teams won all but one game in the second round? The refs. No question about it. It takes a monster effort for any five guys to beat the other team's eight.
It's subtle, but two or three noncalls can determine the momentum shifts and the outcome of a game. If a player gets mugged on one end with no call, often the other team ends up with a fast break at the other end. That's a four or five point swing, just because the ref wouldn't blow the whistle on an obvious foul by the home team. Two or three such noncalls often determine who wins.
Why have home teams won all but one game in the second round? The refs. No question about it. It takes a monster effort for any five guys to beat the other team's eight.
Chukar | 12:40 p.m. May 16, 2008
Dont blame the refs, No flops ,move your feet The Jazz are the deeper ,
better team.
Okur---If you have good box-out position don't let yourself be pushed off of it then want a call, every possesion too critical
Korver--- Quit hurrying and put some arch on your long shots
Sloan---run the screen and cut where Korver gets the ball at the free throw line for a turn around jumper, Korver is burying it. Only see it once or so a game
Milsap--- No dumb fouls, get used to it you are the Jazz future
Boozer----Cmon man your tougher than that, no more finger rolls finish strong, move your feet on D
GO JAZZ YOU CAN DO IT I want to watch you guys play San Antonio
Okur---If you have good box-out position don't let yourself be pushed off of it then want a call, every possesion too critical
Korver--- Quit hurrying and put some arch on your long shots
Sloan---run the screen and cut where Korver gets the ball at the free throw line for a turn around jumper, Korver is burying it. Only see it once or so a game
Milsap--- No dumb fouls, get used to it you are the Jazz future
Boozer----Cmon man your tougher than that, no more finger rolls finish strong, move your feet on D
GO JAZZ YOU CAN DO IT I want to watch you guys play San Antonio
Anonymous | 12:45 p.m. May 16, 2008
Why doesn't sloan play C.J. Miles?
We already have plenty of people who can clog up the middle. We only have three sharp shooters from outside and they are Williams, Memo and Korver. By having more people that can shoot outside you open things up for everyone.
We already have plenty of people who can clog up the middle. We only have three sharp shooters from outside and they are Williams, Memo and Korver. By having more people that can shoot outside you open things up for everyone.
Anonymous | 12:52 p.m. May 16, 2008
Let look at the positives from Game 5:
We had a slow start and were still able to come back.
We got down by 12 in the second quarter and down by 7 at the half, but went into the fourth quarter tied.
Despite all the whistles going LA's way we still kept things close for most of the fourth.
Carlos Boozer didn't show up, Millsap was in foul trouble, we had a lot of turn overs, and our defense was soft, and we were still within striking distance until the last minute of the game.
It is not hard to see that with a few small changes and a little bit of luck the Jazz can win the next two games. But only if they can snap back psycologically and really believe in themselves.
We had a slow start and were still able to come back.
We got down by 12 in the second quarter and down by 7 at the half, but went into the fourth quarter tied.
Despite all the whistles going LA's way we still kept things close for most of the fourth.
Carlos Boozer didn't show up, Millsap was in foul trouble, we had a lot of turn overs, and our defense was soft, and we were still within striking distance until the last minute of the game.
It is not hard to see that with a few small changes and a little bit of luck the Jazz can win the next two games. But only if they can snap back psycologically and really believe in themselves.
Sokol | 1:09 p.m. May 16, 2008
Watch Kirilenko will show up tonight with sunglasses and a Hawaiin shirt, suntan
lotion packed, tiny Russian speedos, and a video camera. Suddenly, Williams
discovers the French concierge in the locker room...Why are you here?
"Andrei said to wait here till after the game, and I would be telling him
hot spots to hit in gay Paris."
William,"Just like last year."
William,"Just like last year."
Travis | 2:20 p.m. May 16, 2008
The defense was soft because of the calls. They couldn't do a thing
without getting calls.
commissioner stern said he wanted to see the Lakers vs. the Lakers this year in the finals...He's going to get the Lakers there if he has to manipulate the game. I have just realized that Kobe's numbers are partly so great because he is a good foul-shot shooter who gets rewarded upwards of 20 foul shots per game.
I suck, but if I got 20 foul shots a game, I'd make at least 15 points...that's more points than a lot of players make.
The NBA is trying to develop a money-machine like Jordan by GIVING Kobe 30 points per game.
commissioner stern said he wanted to see the Lakers vs. the Lakers this year in the finals...He's going to get the Lakers there if he has to manipulate the game. I have just realized that Kobe's numbers are partly so great because he is a good foul-shot shooter who gets rewarded upwards of 20 foul shots per game.
I suck, but if I got 20 foul shots a game, I'd make at least 15 points...that's more points than a lot of players make.
The NBA is trying to develop a money-machine like Jordan by GIVING Kobe 30 points per game.
the key to victory | 2:23 p.m. May 16, 2008
Who are the refs!!
Utah Lakers Fan | 2:26 p.m. May 16, 2008
The Lakers will break through and win tonight on the road. I will admit the jazz
did get hosed by the refs in LA (but I did'nt mind it), however they has
their chances to win the game.
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Did JD Books change his name to Porkins? Easy there fella
RE: BYU accounting grad. Most employers could give a hoot about your...
Best of luck to this young man. I do hope they get him out soon!
This team plays with very little heart at times. They had better step it up...
Bill Clinton was the unknown man on the grassy knoll.
Like in all honesty her starving herself is going to get govt officials in a...
Where do I need to go to sign this petition. It is long overdue.
I understand her desire to spread the word and make a difference, but I...
Reading is fundamental. Selected by ESPN as top player in state and signed...
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