Comments about ‘Lawmakers want failure to equal loss of diploma’

It is absolutely true that students don't take the test seriously. The one's who don't pass are frequently the ones who don't attend school regularly, who don't complete their homework when they do attend and who never come in for extra help. If you want students to take it seriously it must mean something. Put teeth in it, mean it and then don't let bureaucrats take the teeth out because, "Jonny might feel bad if he doesn't pass".

Sure Jonny will feel bad if he doesn't get a diploma, however, the good that Jonny will feel if he works hard and achieves way out weighs any negative.

I teach middle school and if you asked most middle school teachers what UBSCT is they wouldn't know.

There is NO communication between middle schools and high schools except things like, "What did you guys do to this group of kids? They have been the toughest group yet..."

The testing is a joke.

Where do we get these names? UBISCUIT....UPASS....etc....

Worried about federal funding for college? If a student can't pass the UBSCT test after three they're probably not the type of student that is even considering going to college. If a student can't pass after tries it's because they haven't tried. The test is so easy it's a joke. It's exactly what it says it is - a BASIC skills test. I think you get half the points for putting your name in correctly :)

I graduated from a Utah highschool, but I was raised in Maryland and went to one highschool while living there. Let me tell you, the testing situations are TOTALLY different! For one, Maryland starts their standardized testing in middle school so that student have more time and more chances to pass all of the tests. They put every student through all the necessary test prep to give them the best chances of passing. I am pretty sure too (but don't quote me on it) that Maryland's laws make it so that you have to pass all of the tests to graduate. So, kids actually care more about passing. If the tests don't matter or if the test are supposed to be judging the teachers instead of the students, they just won't care or try (I know I didn't!)

What provisions (if any) are going to be made for students with disabilities? For instance: Are students with severe dyslexia going to be required to pass the UBSCT reading tests with no accomodations? So far all students are able to earn diploms even if they don't pass each section of the UBSCT. Now Senator Stephenson is promoting a rule change that penalizes students for having disabilities. Lawmakers need to address this issue before considering any proposed action.

In Arizona, we have the AIMS (Arizona's Instrument to Measure Standards)program. Three of my kids passsed with flying colors, but #4 had to re-take the writing portion. #4 never missed school and tried really hard. If the requirements had not been lowered, he would not have graduated. He is not a good test taker. However, he is doing well in college without the threat of an exit exam.

I do not believe these exams are going to help any kid when they hit the "real world."

Good teachers who teach correctly can say that they "at least tried" to help whomever. Kids who can't read, etc. will only have themselves to blame and will struggle in the world.

Don't punish the kids. Some really do try, but may never pass any type of exit exam.

I don't care for all the acronyms in education because it muddles up what we are trying to do using concise instead of precise language.

Hopefully Stephenson is right, and we have fresh blood that care about education. He should be the first to 'retire' either by actually stepping aside or losing his next election.

The test lacks teeth. So do the CRTs. We need to make passing those tests mean something. A student who fails to meet the criteria should not advance to the next grade without summer school. A student who hasn't passed the 8th grade test (UBSCT) should also be attending summer school and helped towards graduation.

I also favor early graduation options which seem to be so difficult with how much the feds and state pile on with added requirements. The concurrent enrollment options help, but we really need some pro education legislators on board instead of the charlatans we have.

In Japan, you take a test and if you pass you are eligable to go to on to college. If you score below whatever the number, you go to a trade school. Your path is chosen for you although your free to do whatever you want in that direction.

If these types of students don't care enough to finish their education, then help them chose a career path that focuses what they do.

I think the comment given about not being able to pay for college or get financial aid is really the least of conern for someone who doesn't care too much about what they do.

The students are well aware that they don't actually have to pass this test to get a diploma. It means nothing.

Save the 1.7 million a year and require every student receiving a high school diploma to pass the ACT Test, at their own expense, with a 20 or higher to receive a high school diploma. The school will not need to design, administer, or correct the tests. The students will be vested as they pay the $30 or so to take the ACT. There are plenty of ACT prep books and classes to assist the students who have a stake in learning enough to read, write and figure well enough to pass junior high school classes. The ACT is administered a half dozen times a year all ready.

The responsibility for achieving in school is NOT reasonably shouldered by the state, district, principal, or teacher. When it really comes down to the bottom line, the student must take responsibility for their own education. This alternative would require them to do so. How long are we going to accept the substandard performance of teenagers so they will not have to face the consequences of their educational choices?

"High Stakes Test!" Get real. There is no high stakes when the student has half a dozen chances to come in at 80%.

If you cannt pass the test tkae your consequences. No diploma annd bad jobs.

There are horror stories out there about how students get passed from grade to grade without having met requirements. This has been going going on for years. Now this ! What should a high school diploma mean ?! If they can't perform, they must do summer school until they quality !

I agree with J. J. whole-heartedly. I struggled through high school with an undiagnosed learning disability. A few years after graduation, I decided to go to college and finally found my niche in education. I recently graduated with a Master's Degree. The state needs to make sure its not closing doors for intelligent kids with learning disabilities. They need help, not more barriers.

You don't "earn" a diploma if you can not read. If you have a disability that prohibits standard performance on a standardized test, you fail the test. That is, you do not "earn" a high school diploma if you can not "do" high school work.

Students with disabilities are not penalized for having disabilities. Their disabilities are recognized instead of pretending that they do not exist. Why should the state government certify that a student with disabilities really can do something that they really can't do? It would make the certification worthless and the state a fool.

For the disability dude:
The meaning of "disability" is "unable" or "not able".

By "accomodation" do you mean "dumbing down" the reading requirement so that students with disabilities will be able to pass, as if there was no disability? What's the sense of that?

Nothing and I mean nothing in education has any teeth. Try disciplining a student, administrators want to know what teachers are doing wrong. Throw forty plus kids in a class and see how the average person fairs on a daily basis. The entire education system is fundamentaly broken. Teachers say they need more pay...they need more support and rules that are put on paper need to be upheld. America is falling behind, they recently pulled out of the world championships in mathematics. The reason, they felt they could no longer compete. You see the animals are running the zoo!!! There is a reason they cannot find and retain quality educators.

I'm tired of the dumbing-down of America and our Utah students in particular. Think of it: can't write (filling out an application) and yet can get a High School Diploma that symbolizes (falsely) that the student is competent in AT LEAST basic educational skills? What a farce. If I were an educator, I'd be embarrassed to the teeth. (Here's a test: which words in this comment are misspelled? And how could you tell if you had a diploma, but couldn't look up the words in a dictionary??)

Why doesn't Howard just give up his Senate post and become the State Superintendent of Schools? That's what he wants to be. Let's pay him to do the job so he actually has an office in the department rather than having to run the show from his Senate seat.

The Legislature has had two legislative sessions to pass legislation that would demand that students pass the UBSCT or receive no diploma. At this point, the law is clear; the State Board can allow for students who do not pass the UBSCT to receive a diploma that states--on its face--that student did NOT pass the UBSCT. The Legislature can deny diplomas to students who do not pass UBSCT--it is a matter of amassing 15 votes in the Senate and 38 votes in the House. To this point, there has not been a bill that has gathered that support. Somehow, the Governor's Office and parents prefer that students earn a diploma to: (1) receive post-secondary financial aid, (2) join the military and/or (3) maintain Utah's exemplary high school graduation rate.