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Anonymous | 4:20 p.m. May 14, 2008
And the sickness of a patriarchal culture keeps on coming.
Anon E. Mouse | 4:33 p.m. May 14, 2008
Check out the photos to the left of the artcle and look at No. 6.
"employees preparing fence posts on Monday". One looks about 10, one
maybe 12. Why these two aren't in school on a Monday they don't say.
I find it very telling in contrast to the others showing kids playing games.
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G | 4:37 p.m. May 14, 2008
I would be surprised if Canada raids their compound just because of their
religious beliefs. We're talking about a country where Sikhs (I think
that's the group) can carry knives to public schools for religious reasons.
Even if they do, I'd be more surprised if there isn't a n evenbigger political price to pay than in Texas.
Even if they do, I'd be more surprised if there isn't a n evenbigger political price to pay than in Texas.
Anonymous | 4:46 p.m. May 14, 2008
Leave the victims alone. The men are the perpetrators!
YEP they are horrible | 5:16 p.m. May 14, 2008
So much better not to have "little house on the prairie" anywhere.
Just stamp it out. It is so much preferable and right to have our current
culture. I just love my gang and drug infested neighborhood.
And if we are going to institutionalize underage sex, its so much better that it happens with the beat of HIP HOP in the background, while mommy is in her drug induced haze. Government knows just what to do to keep us happy. Yay for them! Down with those dirty animals in Texas, Colorado City, and Canada. They are wrecking the planet.
(Please see the absurd sarcasm before censoring my comments) Good grief. I just can not believe what a witch hunt this has become.
And if we are going to institutionalize underage sex, its so much better that it happens with the beat of HIP HOP in the background, while mommy is in her drug induced haze. Government knows just what to do to keep us happy. Yay for them! Down with those dirty animals in Texas, Colorado City, and Canada. They are wrecking the planet.
(Please see the absurd sarcasm before censoring my comments) Good grief. I just can not believe what a witch hunt this has become.
me | 5:38 p.m. May 14, 2008
I agree that the victims should be left alone.
Save the children. The mom's need to have their heads examed, knowingly to let their daughters go thru birthing, when they should be playing w/ dolls, not tending to their babies. Babies having babies is sad !!
Save the children. The mom's need to have their heads examed, knowingly to let their daughters go thru birthing, when they should be playing w/ dolls, not tending to their babies. Babies having babies is sad !!
canadian | 5:42 p.m. May 14, 2008
I know someone who managed to get away from that group in "Bountiful"
with her children. She was abused and when she returned for a funeral of one of
her parents or grandparents her "husband" raped her! She left because
the "Elders" of the group were planning on sending a group of girls to
Colorado City, AZ to be married and her daughter was one of them, so she took
her kids and left. Last I heard she is doing good :)
It may take the BC government a while to do something, but they will do it! I just hope they do it right and take care of the kids and women, my friend said they are very much brainwashed and don't know it unless they get out.
It may take the BC government a while to do something, but they will do it! I just hope they do it right and take care of the kids and women, my friend said they are very much brainwashed and don't know it unless they get out.
Slaves | 6:07 p.m. May 14, 2008
Shut 'em down! Shut 'em ALL down!
There is no place in this world for brainwashing women into believing that God wants them to be sex slaves for lustful men!
Polygamy is not an issue of freedom, it is an issue of enslavement of women.
STOP IT ALL NOW!
There is no place in this world for brainwashing women into believing that God wants them to be sex slaves for lustful men!
Polygamy is not an issue of freedom, it is an issue of enslavement of women.
STOP IT ALL NOW!
G | 6:18 p.m. May 14, 2008
"Polygamy is not an issue of freedom, it is an issue of enslavement of
women."
Actually it IS an issue of freedom, where only consenting adults are involved.
The fact is that the government has no right to tell its citizens how they can live. That so many Canadians endorse other 'alternative lifestyles' but not that one speaks of bias.
Actually it IS an issue of freedom, where only consenting adults are involved.
The fact is that the government has no right to tell its citizens how they can live. That so many Canadians endorse other 'alternative lifestyles' but not that one speaks of bias.
doing research on the situation | 7:32 p.m. May 14, 2008
Whoever has access to the captive kids web page webmaster please inform him/her
that I can no longer view the time line with my safari browser, although it used
to display just fine. When I try to view it I now get an error message
"Error: Failed to derive URL prefix for Timeline API code files" I
also get a similar error message for the other pages, but after refreshing the
page I can eventually view the other pages.
hawaiikristi | 7:44 p.m. May 14, 2008
Why do the women and children have to make their own clothes, while the men wear
jeans, dress shirts and ties? (Pictures to the right) The girls are wearing
sandels with socks a month ago in Canada, Isn't it cold in Canada in April?
They can't even afford shoes for their children to wear to school.
It's not just abuse, but also neglect. I hope they take them all down.
Don't mess with TEXAS!
Run them out!!! | 7:50 p.m. May 14, 2008
Yeah!! Lets get rid of anyone that isnt the same as us!! (Wheres the tar and
feather when you need it??)
TheMadNuker | 8:13 p.m. May 14, 2008
I wish to ask one question. Canada allows Muslims to
be married up to four women, as long as the marriage
was officiated in another country,where such types of marriages are legal. Canada then recognizes these
marriages as legal.This law was just changed within
past months. How would this affect the situation in
Bountiful? This is not intended as a trick question.
be married up to four women, as long as the marriage
was officiated in another country,where such types of marriages are legal. Canada then recognizes these
marriages as legal.This law was just changed within
past months. How would this affect the situation in
Bountiful? This is not intended as a trick question.
to Anon E. Mouse | 8:20 p.m. May 14, 2008
Religions not sending kids to school is accepted in both the United States and
in Canada. I am speaking of the Huiterites. With the Huits. girls drop out of
school at age 8 and boys at the age of 10. Girls are then taught homemaking, and
boys are appentinced to a trade. THey marry in there early 20's and divorce
is almost unheard among their sect.
The State of Montana lost its trial when it tried to force the kids to school. Courts ruled the reglious believes where fundimental. I see no difference with the FLDS kids helping out like this.
The State of Montana lost its trial when it tried to force the kids to school. Courts ruled the reglious believes where fundimental. I see no difference with the FLDS kids helping out like this.
To Anne OnnyMouse | 9:47 p.m. May 14, 2008
Hutterites, (check your spelling) among whom I've lived all my life, do not
rape their children. Incest and polygamy are forbidden. People can freely leave
the colony, and those that live there are always in town. Usually at the free
internet place checking on hockey. They are not religious prison camps like the
flds. And, they drink booze. A lot. Under the guise of religious freedom, no
less. They are a patriarchal society, but if you think men run the colony, ask
the men on a colony.
Hutterites are apart from the world, but they don't hide from it.
They do, however, think mormons are nuts.
Here in Canada, we think the religious prison camp at bountiful should be shut down.
Hutterites are apart from the world, but they don't hide from it.
They do, however, think mormons are nuts.
Here in Canada, we think the religious prison camp at bountiful should be shut down.
Cricket | 10:19 p.m. May 14, 2008
Winston Blackmore, according to the article above, has 2 dozen wives and more
than 100 children. Who is supporting these 125+ individuals? Think it might be
you and me, maybe? And do the people in Bountiful pay taxes (they don/t in
Utah/Arizona)? If they don't, who is paying for their police/fire/schools?
Think it might be you and me, maybe? And when the communities in other places
got lucrative contracts, they could "beat" the competition in bids
because the labor is free (the people in the community). This seems like child
labor laws being broken here. Persecute/prosecute them not on religious grounds
but for the laws they are breaking!
EX FLDS | 11:08 p.m. May 14, 2008
The polygamist do not support their wives. The wives work for their room and
board in between having babies. They are slaves. The polygamist wives spend time
with the pervert and then make a baby and then have the baby, they home school
and teach the kids, and have another baby, cook, clean, polish, have another
baby, they do the washing for the first wife, and then have another baby, grow a
garden, spend time with the pervert and have another baby, clean the house, and
have even a another baby, spend time again with the pervert, and make another
baby, make the beds, but first make another baby with the pervert and then make
the bed, wash clothes, have another baby, spend time with the pervert, and make
another baby and then they die. whewwwwwwwwwwww!!!!
to: hawaiikristi | 11:12 p.m. May 14, 2008
Don't worry about them being too cold. They're forced to wear long
underwear at all times. I'd be worried more about those in Texas when
summer comes.
Anonymous | 11:17 p.m. May 14, 2008
I live in St. George Utah. We see people from Hildale and Colorado City all the
time. They are US citizens and deserve due process. I read the comments from
the mental health workers this morning. They could not believe how good the
kids were. They must have been brainwashed to act nicely. The mothers were
kind and patient. Simpltons more brain washing. The men have a reputation for
working hard. Brainwashing. We need to get them in front of TV and be part of
the real world. I don't agree with everything they are doing there. It is
when we follow men blindly we get in trouble; Warren Jeffs, the nightly news,
radio show hosts.
To EX FLDS | 11:33 p.m. May 14, 2008
So are you a plural wife, or did you get out before? I know that there are
different levels of education among the group, I dealt with Rulon Jeff's
once and he had a nurse with him, wondered if it was one of his wives, she was a
very sharp cookie. I also know that there were Dr.s that were polygamists. I
am reading a book right now about the early church, they went through much of
the same thing, but for different reasons. The Mormon church today, evolved
with society, they didn't lower their standards, but they stopped the
practice. The FLDS group has in many ways stayed locked in time, and as we
learn and grow in society, we learn that some social behaviors are not
acceptable and we change. These people need to bathe more often, wash their
hair, cut it and get rid of the cloned dresses, they don't have to wear
mini skirts or low cut tops, they don't have to get tattos or multiple
piercings, they don't have to wear tons of makeup, but they could be
beautiful and alive woman with spirituality. They need to be what God created,
not someones slave.
Hang'emallexceptperfectme? | 12:52 a.m. May 15, 2008
I am a feminist mother & I cannot believe Texas is getting by with this!It
is the usual thing of punishing women and children. The damage they have done
can never be repaired. Those kids will NEVER thank us!! I do not agree w/the
culture (but maybe this is just a roundabout way to prepare for locking up
another unpopular group who practises polygamy?). Please! There are several
teens at our fine, upstanding little local high school - kids whose kids in this
little town share the same father - maybe they never married the mothers - so of
course they aren't "polygamists". But thats okay, right? So when
are we going to head into say, the Satanists homes (I passed a car w/kids &
bumper sticker indicating that family allegiance recently)what about THEIR kids?
I hear they have some pretty wierd practises(dare I add long or dirty hair, or
or maybe cloned black clothing w/ pentagrams)If this is about cultural ideology
& what another judges to abusive - ever watch an infant get circumcised?
Shouldn't we protect these babies and remove them from the flagrant
physical and emotional torture their parents impose on THEM? Where does it end?
To ex FLDS | 4:52 a.m. May 15, 2008
Great post. An honest one for a change.
Rich | 6:42 a.m. May 15, 2008
If only the attorneys general of Utah and Arizona had the same attitude that
British Columbia's counterpart, Wally Oppal, displays. Imagine if Mark
Shurtleff said he "plans to arrest someone on a polygamy charge or ask the
courts to weigh in on [Hildale's] legal standing within the month.
"Something must be done," he said. "I personally feel, and our government feels, that it would be inappropriate to do nothing."
This is what Utah, British Columbia and Arizona should do. Stamp out polygamy. Yes, they should protect the children from child abuse and underage marriages, especially to cousins, and they should prevent interbreeding, but that is dealing with a problem that started with polygamy. Eliminate polygamy now. If B.C. actually follows through and tries to prosecute based on polygamy, there's a chance the polygamists could prevail. And if that happened, there would be a mass migration of polygamists from Utah, Arizona and Texas to Canada.
"Something must be done," he said. "I personally feel, and our government feels, that it would be inappropriate to do nothing."
This is what Utah, British Columbia and Arizona should do. Stamp out polygamy. Yes, they should protect the children from child abuse and underage marriages, especially to cousins, and they should prevent interbreeding, but that is dealing with a problem that started with polygamy. Eliminate polygamy now. If B.C. actually follows through and tries to prosecute based on polygamy, there's a chance the polygamists could prevail. And if that happened, there would be a mass migration of polygamists from Utah, Arizona and Texas to Canada.
Hutterites and Mormons | 7:18 a.m. May 15, 2008
To the anonymous Canadian who wrote that Hutterites think Mormons are nuts:
The term "Mormon" should be applied to members of the LDS Church, not to members of breakaway sects. Those who persist in calling FLDS members Mormons are careless or insensitive, or they delight in offending main-stream LDS. Though "Mormon" originally was pejorative, LDS members realize that the term now is just a simpler way of saying a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The AP/UPI Stylebook permits Mormon only when describing members of the main LDS Church.
Like Hutterites, LDS "do not rape their children. Incest and polygamy are forbidden." Mormons can live anywhere they like and can even leave the church anytime they please. Most Mormons are educated in public schools and watch TV, use the internet, read newspapers and magazines and are among the most educated people on earth. Utah Mormons tend to follow basketball and college football. Active LDS don't drink booze. Mormons are apart from the world in their abstinence from tobacco, alchohol, Sunday recreation and sex outside marriage, so they are, as Christ commanded, in the world but not of the world.
The term "Mormon" should be applied to members of the LDS Church, not to members of breakaway sects. Those who persist in calling FLDS members Mormons are careless or insensitive, or they delight in offending main-stream LDS. Though "Mormon" originally was pejorative, LDS members realize that the term now is just a simpler way of saying a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The AP/UPI Stylebook permits Mormon only when describing members of the main LDS Church.
Like Hutterites, LDS "do not rape their children. Incest and polygamy are forbidden." Mormons can live anywhere they like and can even leave the church anytime they please. Most Mormons are educated in public schools and watch TV, use the internet, read newspapers and magazines and are among the most educated people on earth. Utah Mormons tend to follow basketball and college football. Active LDS don't drink booze. Mormons are apart from the world in their abstinence from tobacco, alchohol, Sunday recreation and sex outside marriage, so they are, as Christ commanded, in the world but not of the world.
Oh, Canada! | 8:30 a.m. May 15, 2008
Canada, which respects the right of SOME religious groups to practice polygamy,
and supports gay marriage, will open a can of worms if they move against this
group because their religion allows polygamy.
Interesting that Canada just raised their age of consent. It was acceptable at 14, like Texas, until the FLDS were targeted in both places.
I certainly wouldn't want my kids married or active sexually at 14 or even 16 (not that it doesn't happen all over America), but I don't see that how people dress or wear their hair is my business. As to communal lifestyles, what was the United Order? It didn't last, but it certainly was practiced. I lived among the Amish and Mennonites for years, and they have an almost communal lifestyle--kids only go to Amish schools from 8-16. Dissent is certainly discouraged strongly. Shunning is practiced. They all work hard, even the kids. Abuse does happen among them as, unfortunately, it does elsewhere.
We are mixing up too many issues here--sexual abuse is wrong! Forced marriages are wrong! But targeting the sincere beliefs of people with the weight of government behind us--just because we don't agree with them is wrong, too.
Interesting that Canada just raised their age of consent. It was acceptable at 14, like Texas, until the FLDS were targeted in both places.
I certainly wouldn't want my kids married or active sexually at 14 or even 16 (not that it doesn't happen all over America), but I don't see that how people dress or wear their hair is my business. As to communal lifestyles, what was the United Order? It didn't last, but it certainly was practiced. I lived among the Amish and Mennonites for years, and they have an almost communal lifestyle--kids only go to Amish schools from 8-16. Dissent is certainly discouraged strongly. Shunning is practiced. They all work hard, even the kids. Abuse does happen among them as, unfortunately, it does elsewhere.
We are mixing up too many issues here--sexual abuse is wrong! Forced marriages are wrong! But targeting the sincere beliefs of people with the weight of government behind us--just because we don't agree with them is wrong, too.
transplant | 9:12 a.m. May 15, 2008
to "feminist mother": Welcome to the club. I'm thrilled that you
identify yourself that way. Many many of those children taken into custody will
thank us. While a feminist activist working to change our society for women I
raised five boys in Texas,and homeschooled the youngest two, with no religious
beliefs. I was rescued as a child of two from my cultist abusive parents. People
on the outside of our family made all the difference in the world to my
retaining my personhood. The citizens of my small hometown in Ohio made sure I
knew there were choices I could make for myself when I attained adulthood. This
whole situation is about making a difference in 463 childrens lives. A good
difference. I know.
bigger fish to fry | 9:18 a.m. May 15, 2008
Terrorizing Mormons is just a distraction for corrupt public figures who
don't want to be responsible. While all the Mormons are being tarred and
feathered greedy people are looting the National treasury and this country is
bankrupt. Mormons are not the problem they are being used as a distraction from
the REAL problems.
The Texan | 9:36 a.m. May 15, 2008
OK, for those of your posting that Texas CPS is going to pay a price. I'm
still waiting. Texas FLDS is paying the price for their persistence in behavior
that smacks of mind control and worse.
To G:
Age 16 is the age of consent here. Amazing how many young women claiming to be 18 weren't.
This will be a problem no matter what country they go to.
To G:
Age 16 is the age of consent here. Amazing how many young women claiming to be 18 weren't.
This will be a problem no matter what country they go to.
ahem | 9:38 a.m. May 15, 2008
Just a correction about the hutterites and their schooling. All Hutterite
children attend school until they are 14 years of age - male and female.
Grandma | 9:43 a.m. May 15, 2008
Wally Oppal from B.C. also stated in the news that the legal minds he had
consulted told him that if polygamy cases went to court it was likely it would
be declared legal in Canada. That is one of the reasons they have not
prosecuted.
Nut cracker | 10:09 a.m. May 15, 2008
To Bigger fish to fry,
Maybe you think polygamy is alright , but many of us would disagree, because slavery is very evil and wrong! And, it is the women and children who are terrorized by some old man every night, and forced into marriage, forced to have children with some old stinker they DO NOT LOVE! So please, tell me, BIG FISH, how bad is that? It's not ever the men who suffers in these polygamy relationships, it is the women only. So if you are a man I would completely understand your narrow minded point of view.
Maybe you think polygamy is alright , but many of us would disagree, because slavery is very evil and wrong! And, it is the women and children who are terrorized by some old man every night, and forced into marriage, forced to have children with some old stinker they DO NOT LOVE! So please, tell me, BIG FISH, how bad is that? It's not ever the men who suffers in these polygamy relationships, it is the women only. So if you are a man I would completely understand your narrow minded point of view.
A real Feminist | 10:16 a.m. May 15, 2008
I am a feminist with a Master's degree. A true feminist allows for freedom
of choice even if it doesn't coincide with what you personally believe. As
a female, I would be miserably depressed in the FLDS community but I will defend
a woman's right to choose such a lifestyle. Enough women return* to suggest
that decision is made, despite my personal rejection and repulsion to this
lifestyle.
A real feminist allows for abortion as well as having many children. It's a matter of choice and then support even in personal opposition.
* See Betty Jessop, daughter of Caroline Jessop. She returned after living on the outside from age 13 - 18 and two days.
Fawn Holms, former talk show circuit guest opposing FLDS and now returned to the group.
A real feminist allows for abortion as well as having many children. It's a matter of choice and then support even in personal opposition.
* See Betty Jessop, daughter of Caroline Jessop. She returned after living on the outside from age 13 - 18 and two days.
Fawn Holms, former talk show circuit guest opposing FLDS and now returned to the group.
RL | 10:18 a.m. May 15, 2008
I find it very sad that only a few comments on here actually sound like a sane,
rational, intelligent person posted them. Talk about not seeing the forest for
the trees. Those children taken in the Texas raid will never thank the state
for what they did. Not all polygamist women are "slaves." And FLDS
members aren't Mormons. If they'd raided any neighborhood in this
country, they'd have found just as many, if not more, children being
abused. We have a lot of screwed up people having children in this country and
all over the world. It's not exclusive to any religion, sect, race, etc.
Until people open their eyes, listen, and stop pointing the finger and passing
outrageous blanket judgements, we will continue, as a nation, to victimize those
already being hurt by preditors, even more.
Fire the senators | 10:28 a.m. May 15, 2008
Isn't Senator Hatch the chairman of the Justice Committee of the House. I
guess it is a token position and no real authority to do anything. If it did he
could enforce the constitution. He is a different man when he is running for
office but useless otherwise.
Check the IV ammendment.
Check the IV ammendment.
Mormon | 10:31 a.m. May 15, 2008
Oh for heaven's sake, FLDS ARE NOT MORMONS! There is a DIFFERENCE!!!
FLDS are not Mormons!
FLDS are not Mormons!
FLDS are not Mormons!
FLDS are not Mormons!
FLDS are not Mormons!
Saying FLDS are Mormons is the equivalent of saying Protestants and Puritans are Catholics! They BROKE OFF from the Mormon church, they're NOT Mormons!!!
Please understand this!
FLDS are not Mormons!
FLDS are not Mormons!
FLDS are not Mormons!
FLDS are not Mormons!
FLDS are not Mormons!
Saying FLDS are Mormons is the equivalent of saying Protestants and Puritans are Catholics! They BROKE OFF from the Mormon church, they're NOT Mormons!!!
Please understand this!
Lawmen | 10:55 a.m. May 15, 2008
Re RL 10:18 am. I appologise if we sound irrational but the thought of these
children being draged by force from their homes sickens me and a lot of other
people. The sadness of these poor soles who wonder where there mother is makes
me cry.
I have thought that similar thoughts have been had by some of the Texas Rangers and I wish they could speak out without fear of repremand.
Oh I forgot, they break the law (2 year olds?) Wake up. So do speeders.
I have thought that similar thoughts have been had by some of the Texas Rangers and I wish they could speak out without fear of repremand.
Oh I forgot, they break the law (2 year olds?) Wake up. So do speeders.
wrz | 10:59 a.m. May 15, 2008
"Isn't Senator Hatch the chairman of the Justice Committee of the
House."
No. How could a Senator be chairman of a House committee? And he couldn't be chairman right now anyway because the Dems are in control.
No. How could a Senator be chairman of a House committee? And he couldn't be chairman right now anyway because the Dems are in control.
Two Cents | 11:07 a.m. May 15, 2008
The issue here is not whether or not you agree or don't agree with their
lifestyle choices. These people deserve due process in the legal system and the
only reason that anything should happen is if underage girls have been sexually
abused -- there is no proof of this, only speculation based on a phone call. The
sad truth is that some of these kids probably have better lives and are treated
better than many american children living in poverty and broken homes all across
america. While I don't agree with the FLDS, I respect that in order to have
freedom they must be allowed to continue their lifestyle as long as their
marriages are with consenting adults -- not children. I think after all is said
and done they should be given an option to go back or to stay in the real world
not just erase their way of life and "shut it down" as some people
have commented. If they want to go back, that is there choice.
Two Cents (cont'd) | 11:07 a.m. May 15, 2008
As a member of the LDS church I think it is important to reiterate that this
group is an apostate sect, but just the same, I would expect other LDS members
to realize the persecution and criticisms our church has undergone and not
inflict that unnecessarily on anyone elses 'religion'. Thats my two
cents, anyway.
Carole | 11:14 a.m. May 15, 2008
"This is what Utah, British Columbia and Arizona should do. Stamp out
polygamy."
You may be able to stamp out polygamy but you sure can't stamp out multiple sex partnerings, which seems to be the issue people are upset about (stop with the child protection thing). Hollywood will see to that. It's in the genes.
You may be able to stamp out polygamy but you sure can't stamp out multiple sex partnerings, which seems to be the issue people are upset about (stop with the child protection thing). Hollywood will see to that. It's in the genes.
traditional mum | 12:01 p.m. May 15, 2008
Why are people so inflamed by the very mention of polygamy? In our present
society, women marry women, and men marry men; this is not only accepted,but
totally legal and we can't disagree with it without being labelled a
"homophobic." I believe it is perversion. Polygamy sounds pretty tame
compared with that.
Calif | 12:21 p.m. May 15, 2008
The California Supreme Court just ruled that the ban on gay marriage is
unconstitutional. I wonder when the Supreme Court will rule on Polygamy as
unconstitutional? I am a monogamist and a feminist and see writing on the wall.
Also... | 12:49 p.m. May 15, 2008
While the practice of polygamy is not right, I would agree that those who posted
about otheres who are married and cheat on their spouse is not right either.
It's the same. There is no difference. It's just that some hide
behind religion to inflict abuse and brainwashing on innocent children who grow
up and repeat the horrible cycle of their parents.
And...while we watch this tragic historical event unfold in Texas...
We get to watch the CA courts tell us that now anyone can marry anyone.
Those who suppposedly are in positions of leadership in our country...don't know what is right or wrong.
I'm appalled with all of this.
And...while we watch this tragic historical event unfold in Texas...
We get to watch the CA courts tell us that now anyone can marry anyone.
Those who suppposedly are in positions of leadership in our country...don't know what is right or wrong.
I'm appalled with all of this.
Perversions of the world | 1:20 p.m. May 15, 2008
There will never ever be anything good come from adultery polygamy. Wrong is
wrong!
L | 1:31 p.m. May 15, 2008
There is polygamy in Ohio, Indiana & Oklahoma too that I know of. Maybe
elsewhere?
Paul in MD | 1:38 p.m. May 15, 2008
To Anonymous 4:20 5/14 - Do you realize that in the Bible it tells us that God
set up the priesthood as a patriarchal order, and that Heaven is a patriarchal
order?
As with anything ordained of God, it isn't the patriarchal order that is sick, it is how people choose to use/abuse it. There are examples throughout history, and even today's newscasts showing precisely this - people have been twisting religion, and using the phrase "God told me so" to do whatever they wanted.
Polygamy is in the Old Testament as being practiced righteously. Solomon was even commanded by God to take multiple wives. He fell out of favor with God by becoming lustful and taking wives he was NOT commanded to take.
It isn't polygamy that's bad, it's polygamy done without the direction and hand of God that is bad. By the way, it does not matter one whit to God what society thinks about what He has commanded.
The FLDS are wrong in practicing polygamy now, and in how they do it. Just find out more about how God says it's supposed to be done before condemning it or God.
As with anything ordained of God, it isn't the patriarchal order that is sick, it is how people choose to use/abuse it. There are examples throughout history, and even today's newscasts showing precisely this - people have been twisting religion, and using the phrase "God told me so" to do whatever they wanted.
Polygamy is in the Old Testament as being practiced righteously. Solomon was even commanded by God to take multiple wives. He fell out of favor with God by becoming lustful and taking wives he was NOT commanded to take.
It isn't polygamy that's bad, it's polygamy done without the direction and hand of God that is bad. By the way, it does not matter one whit to God what society thinks about what He has commanded.
The FLDS are wrong in practicing polygamy now, and in how they do it. Just find out more about how God says it's supposed to be done before condemning it or God.
RE: Perversions of the world | 1:41 p.m. May 15, 2008
wait... you are putting YOUR view of the world in your comments.
In some country's around the world polygamy is legal and moral.
You may not agree, but you also may not be correct.
In some country's around the world polygamy is legal and moral.
You may not agree, but you also may not be correct.
magnus | 2:04 p.m. May 15, 2008
@ traditional mum & A real Feminist
I absolutely love that the women are the voice of reson on this board. I think you are absolutely right.
It seems like most of the things people use to justify their opposition to these people is based on their own faulty logic rather than the cold hard facts.
Just because we can't understand why anyone would want to live this way doesn't necessarily mean that they are being forced into it or that they are in some way being abused.
I absolutely love that the women are the voice of reson on this board. I think you are absolutely right.
It seems like most of the things people use to justify their opposition to these people is based on their own faulty logic rather than the cold hard facts.
Just because we can't understand why anyone would want to live this way doesn't necessarily mean that they are being forced into it or that they are in some way being abused.
transplant | 2:51 p.m. May 15, 2008
"stop with the child protection thing?
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"a real feminist allows for abortion"
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The law protects children.
The law allows for abortion.
The voice of reason is why we have a system of law.
The state of Texas has decided that no one can choose polygamy in Texas. Marriage laws are for the states to decide. Texas has decided.
________________________________________
"a real feminist allows for abortion"
________________________________________
The law protects children.
The law allows for abortion.
The voice of reason is why we have a system of law.
The state of Texas has decided that no one can choose polygamy in Texas. Marriage laws are for the states to decide. Texas has decided.
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