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Long litany of legal disputes begins in FLDS raid
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Abe | 10:23 a.m. May 14, 2008
Hunh. I guess I missed the episodes of Larry King and Good Morning America
where the mothers brought their birth certificates for their kids. Maybe
I'll see that soon on Oprah.
Michigander | 10:26 a.m. May 14, 2008
When the raid happened there was mass shuffling around of children and no real
ID of people given. It appears that it was the exception that one of the mothers
had some ID, but since the rest did not or played musical chairs with names and
ages, CPS had little choice to use their best judgment.
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Ekim | 10:32 a.m. May 14, 2008
I continue to be utterly amazed at all of the apologists for child abuse.
And these same people would be screaming to high heaven if nothing had been done.
Go Texas!!
And these same people would be screaming to high heaven if nothing had been done.
Go Texas!!
Kevin T. | 10:34 a.m. May 14, 2008
To- John....
I WASN'T AWARE THAT NAZI-ISM WAS LEGAL IN AMERICA - that is until I saw what Texas has done.
Looks to me like one big Nazi game after another with the FLDS and Texas. If it isn't with the state of Texas, then NAZI-ISM is practiced within the walls of the FLDS compound. Two wrongs don't make any of this right. Slavery was abolished long ago. Truly, God has nothing to do with this insanity.
I WASN'T AWARE THAT NAZI-ISM WAS LEGAL IN AMERICA - that is until I saw what Texas has done.
Looks to me like one big Nazi game after another with the FLDS and Texas. If it isn't with the state of Texas, then NAZI-ISM is practiced within the walls of the FLDS compound. Two wrongs don't make any of this right. Slavery was abolished long ago. Truly, God has nothing to do with this insanity.
RE: PHIL | 10:40 a.m. May 14, 2008
Phil, you are.....well....an idiot! There is a rather large diference between
losing children due to a natural disaster, than losing ones child due to
physical, sexual abuse, in wich you are guilty of commiting. PERIOD.
Re: Abe | 10:39 a.m. May 14, 2008
Do your reasearch before you spread hate. These girls DID provide Birth
Certificates. Texas thought them not legit until after their babies were born.
Freddie | 10:40 a.m. May 14, 2008
"The ones who should pay are the 60 year olds marrying 14 year old girls in
the name of God. Please."
Not to worry. The 60 year old will likely be dead in ten years when the 14 year old is 24.
Not to worry. The 60 year old will likely be dead in ten years when the 14 year old is 24.
to sobbing child | 10:41 a.m. May 14, 2008
Amen!
The children have been damaged for life in an unloving foster care system. We should storm Texas and get them out so they don't suffer any longer.
As for the lack of proof of ages, how could they proof anything? CPS had their mind up already about the FLDS and nothing would have convinced them otherwise. Besides why would the FLDS expected to give information without speaking to an attorney first and by then, the documents had been confiscated by CPS. Texas will never admit any wrong doing and bring up more and more false claims while the children are crying for their moms.
The children have been damaged for life in an unloving foster care system. We should storm Texas and get them out so they don't suffer any longer.
As for the lack of proof of ages, how could they proof anything? CPS had their mind up already about the FLDS and nothing would have convinced them otherwise. Besides why would the FLDS expected to give information without speaking to an attorney first and by then, the documents had been confiscated by CPS. Texas will never admit any wrong doing and bring up more and more false claims while the children are crying for their moms.
mistereporter | 10:44 a.m. May 14, 2008
Abe writes, "In the United States I live in people have birth
certificates."
Not to worry, Abe: Texas will prepare and issue official birth certificates when it puts the children up for adoption.
Not to worry, Abe: Texas will prepare and issue official birth certificates when it puts the children up for adoption.
wrz | 10:49 a.m. May 14, 2008
"I have read a report that the service plans calls for them to essentially
renounce their religion. I hope that is not true."
And if it does, you can bet your last dollar that the US Constitution's Bill of Rights is dead. Free speech is in the last throes of dying... so why not freedom of religion? As we march closer and closer to our conversion to totalitarian Nazi-ism. God help us!
And if it does, you can bet your last dollar that the US Constitution's Bill of Rights is dead. Free speech is in the last throes of dying... so why not freedom of religion? As we march closer and closer to our conversion to totalitarian Nazi-ism. God help us!
oh bother | 10:52 a.m. May 14, 2008
There is a difference between forced marriages and arranged marriages. Odd
that you blame the men and put the women as victims. It seem clear to me that
if there are victims, both the males and the females are both equal victims
growing up in the same cult.
? | 11:04 a.m. May 14, 2008
It's been more than a month since this all started and yet there are no
charges being filed. I think that Texas better put up, or return the children.
Where is the evidence that there was law breaking going on? Heaven help those
that destroy families.
Action Committee | 11:06 a.m. May 14, 2008
I have just called Senator Hatch's office in DC and asked the office what
the Senator is doing about what is happening to the children in Texas and they
said he is doing nothing because it is in Texas. Please give him some help and
explain this is a national crime being commited by the CPS.
Utah children are also caught up in this.
Utah children are also caught up in this.
betty | 11:07 a.m. May 14, 2008
i have no way of knowing exactly where the above posters are but i would bet the
farm that they are part of the public relations blitz that the fdls are pushing
to the country.
the fathers are child rapists, stealing our countrys money, the mothers are aggreeing to the abuse of their daughters and sending their sons out to fend for themselves.
these are not mothers, they are baby making machines for pedofiles.
the fathers are child rapists, stealing our countrys money, the mothers are aggreeing to the abuse of their daughters and sending their sons out to fend for themselves.
these are not mothers, they are baby making machines for pedofiles.
Possible answer | 11:16 a.m. May 14, 2008
I have seen a few posts asking, where are all The Fathers? I have a quick
observation to make and a very probable answer to that question, in light of the
fact that a legal battle like they are going thru is extremely expensive, I
would guess that the fathers are busy working to raise the money to save their
loved ones, and defend Your Constitution. Keep in mind; I like all of you am
only Guessing.
Re: Wake Up | 11:16 a.m. May 14, 2008
With all due respect, I understand your position, but as many have shown this
group is an entirely different culture. I know people who belong to groups not
unlike this, not FLDS or LDS, and due to the way they raise their children they
are more mature at that age. I had to grow up fast due to horrific family
situations and I married young and I am very well adjusted and have children. I
would not think most people my age would be ready, but these young girls (I am
not condoning child brides but trying to take off egocentric views and cultural
barriers) they may deem themselves to be. Forced early marriage is a whole
different issue.
L. J. Hammer | 11:18 a.m. May 14, 2008
This outrageous injustice makes me embarrassed to be an American and I certainly
am thankful that I'm not a Texan. Texas officials seem to make up the law
as they go along. It is shameful . . . trying to save face at the expense of
these innocent women and children. May God forgive you.
re: Bill | 11:17 a.m. May 14, 2008
To Bill, do you think the FLDS are going to release the photos of the 60 year
old men and 14 year old "wives?" Of course not! They aren't
idiots. This is a PR game. They round up all the "normal" looking
photos and give them to the press. The press then use the photos and we sit
there thinking, "Well, what a nice family. How dare Texas pick on these
poor people."
The same goes for the videos on the websites. We see children happily playing on the ranch and then crying in CPS custody. It's all to draw sympathy for the FLDS. They may not be doctors and lawyers, but they certainly are apt at making things appear differently than they are. I don't trust propaganda. You always have to look at the source of the information. Everyone has an agenda.
The same goes for the videos on the websites. We see children happily playing on the ranch and then crying in CPS custody. It's all to draw sympathy for the FLDS. They may not be doctors and lawyers, but they certainly are apt at making things appear differently than they are. I don't trust propaganda. You always have to look at the source of the information. Everyone has an agenda.
Freedom for Americans | 11:21 a.m. May 14, 2008
I agree with "Proactive".
In the last few weeks have written about claims against Texas but we are on the wrong track. We see people on here who are demented and have no feeling for these children the only thing they know is stamping out polygamy. I'm not for it either, but...
We need these children free and today. We need these children back with their mothers were they belong.
We need everyone to contact their elected representatives and let them know how they feel.
The issues today are not the price of gas or the primary election but the real issue is these small children and their mothers.
This is a crime against American.
In the last few weeks have written about claims against Texas but we are on the wrong track. We see people on here who are demented and have no feeling for these children the only thing they know is stamping out polygamy. I'm not for it either, but...
We need these children free and today. We need these children back with their mothers were they belong.
We need everyone to contact their elected representatives and let them know how they feel.
The issues today are not the price of gas or the primary election but the real issue is these small children and their mothers.
This is a crime against American.
Anonymous | 11:20 a.m. May 14, 2008
Good for the goose -
To "duhhhh"
You are speaking from your Mormon upbringing saying you have denounced everything, (and I know where that comes from)
It may surprise you that in the Catholic tradition, if you believe in Christ, you are considered under the same universal umbrella (Catholic means universal).
So please speak for yourselves and not others.
To "duhhhh"
You are speaking from your Mormon upbringing saying you have denounced everything, (and I know where that comes from)
It may surprise you that in the Catholic tradition, if you believe in Christ, you are considered under the same universal umbrella (Catholic means universal).
So please speak for yourselves and not others.
Re: Where there's smoke | 11:22 a.m. May 14, 2008
I would have agreed with you until I read MHMR's rebuttal of such
statements and I will believe them over a disenchanted book author or CPS
anyday. MHMR was a third party observer and refutes your rumors.
Southern Utahan | 11:29 a.m. May 14, 2008
I've lived in Southern Utah my whole life, not far from Colorado City and I
have to say that all of the FLDS women look young! Every single one of them! I
just don't understand how Texas can say that she's still a minor when
she's given them all the necessary proof to prove otherwise! How heartless
can you be to take a 1 year old child from his mother? How would the CPS
workers like it if someone took their child away after it's 1st birthday?
Against polygamy | 11:30 a.m. May 14, 2008
Yes, it's high time we asked the Supreme Court once again to rule on the
legality of prohibitions against polygamy. This will happen only if Texas, Utah
or Arizona start enforcing laws against polygamy. Mark Shurtleff, get off your
duff and prosecute somebody. We'll then have a test case, and the
polygamists will begin either to abandon plural marriage, or they'll move
to El Salvador or some other country that will permit them to live as they
please. If we don't do something now we'll have millions of
polygamists in two or three generations.
Are you afraid your church, the LDS church, would reinstitute polygamy? No, I don't think you have anything to worry about there. It's hard enough to live Mormon rules without having to support and keep happy two or more wives.
Are you afraid your church, the LDS church, would reinstitute polygamy? No, I don't think you have anything to worry about there. It's hard enough to live Mormon rules without having to support and keep happy two or more wives.
Denise | 11:32 a.m. May 14, 2008
For those that keep hollering about WHY the FLDS did not show their
"papers" at the beginning of all of this, remember they did NOT ask
for any papers such as birth certificates, marriage licenses, driver's
licenses at the moment they took the women and children into custody.
But the Police DID secure "More than 80 pages of items have been taken from the Yearn for Zion Ranch. Among the items seized were computer equipment, letters, school and medical records, including marriage and birth records."
Kind of hard to produce your "documentation" when the police have it all. I know if I lost my Birth Certificate it would take about 30 days for me to request one from New York and have them mail it to Texas.
And then it did not do the FLDS much good, because the Judge and CPS stated they WOULD NOT accept any "documents" from the FLDS because they might be forged.
But the Police DID secure "More than 80 pages of items have been taken from the Yearn for Zion Ranch. Among the items seized were computer equipment, letters, school and medical records, including marriage and birth records."
Kind of hard to produce your "documentation" when the police have it all. I know if I lost my Birth Certificate it would take about 30 days for me to request one from New York and have them mail it to Texas.
And then it did not do the FLDS much good, because the Judge and CPS stated they WOULD NOT accept any "documents" from the FLDS because they might be forged.
Re: Possible Answer | 11:35 a.m. May 14, 2008
Your post in regards to that is the first unhate filled specualation. Why are we
taught tolerance to Man Boy Love Association and other devient sexual behavior
and all that is okay..even two daddies and no mommies are okay, but one father
and two loving mothers is not. CPS claims this is child abuse due to underage
marriages. They have yet to show a current young lady who, when in Texas, was
pregnant under 16. So, unlike most of you posters, they are innocent until
proven guilty (unlike CPS) and I cannot believe for a second that EVERY family
is guilty of the said crimes. That is why CPS is grasping straws to find
ANYTHING to claim all the children, even to the point of saying their religion
is now abusive outside of what the law states is legal. Until a crime has been
committed we have due process, which was denied. A lot of you here are still
going off Rozita's madeup statement--why not give them the benefit of the
doubt until you find a crime--then only spew your hate to the perverts--not the
whole community.
re: Re: Bill | 11:37 a.m. May 14, 2008
Okay, so now you are saying because of the one or few perverted marriages, you
are condemning these "normal" families and sobbing children who may
not be a part of this. Even for those who are part of the perverted marriages,
you are wanting to throw away the children's bonds to their mothers and
condemn the mothers. You are heartless. Throw your passion into the 60 year old
man you claim CPS has and leave the rest alone. You are "cattle call"
ing like Walthers.
Joan | 11:43 a.m. May 14, 2008
Thank you Outraged Baptist.
Cheryl | 11:45 a.m. May 14, 2008
Quick question. On the FLDS website about their "captive children", I
read about the daily schedules of the children. My question is, where do the
fathers come into play? Not once does it describe an activity that the children
do with the fahters, not even at bedtime....
I of course have a lot more questions, but I will start with one simple one.....
I of course have a lot more questions, but I will start with one simple one.....
LDS convert | 11:49 a.m. May 14, 2008
I don't trust Texas CPS workers or foster care. I am convert, uphold LDS
church, all doctrines, etc...but was raped repeatedly as a youth, (male) in
foster care...it did not make me gay, but i have spent my whole life celibate
now as I could not perform , with my wife...I am against abuse, but do not
believe the children were abused...and I sure do not trust the state of
texas...my foster care father who raped me was a man in government....Please
pray to get the children back to the mothers. Now. Investigate the fathers, yes,
but the children need their mothers. Please Deseret News put this in. In prayer
children to be reunited with mothers.
Gentle folk | 11:50 a.m. May 14, 2008
I think we all know Pastor White from Chicago and his comments "God damn
America" Undoubtedly, he is outraged at what he sees happening in America.
I wonder how he views this raid in Texas?
The FLDS | 12:03 p.m. May 14, 2008
Need to stay away from the media. Sort it out with their legal counsel. Their PR
campaign is getting ridiculous.
Can't believe so many of you follow the FLDS propaganda website and believe everything they say.
Can't believe so many of you follow the FLDS propaganda website and believe everything they say.
Educate me | 12:06 p.m. May 14, 2008
Bill of Rights. What does it say?
Constitution. What does it say?
Constitution. What does it say?
????? | 12:14 p.m. May 14, 2008
Excuse me, but how freaking hard is it to determine a woman's age?
IT'S CALLED A BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!! They've got all the paperwork...
find her's, and move on! But no, they've got to drag it out, and
insist, that they are right. Nevermind that fact most of their "credible
info" has been wrong.
Constitionalist | 12:16 p.m. May 14, 2008
Everyone on here should memorise the Amendment IV of the Bill of Rights.
Start by looking at The Bill of Rights on your search engine
Start by looking at The Bill of Rights on your search engine
Birth Certificates | 12:16 p.m. May 14, 2008
My understanding is on YFZ Ranch/Prison there are doctor's facilities. The
women who gave birth at the ranch used these facilities and did not go to
hospitals or state linked facilities so I can see why CPS would question any
"birth certificates."
Were the mothers born under similar circumstances? Something tells me few of these mothers were born in hospitals or by state sanctioned practitioners, so the validity of birth certificates is definitely a concern.
Were the mothers born under similar circumstances? Something tells me few of these mothers were born in hospitals or by state sanctioned practitioners, so the validity of birth certificates is definitely a concern.
Deaf Words | 12:16 p.m. May 14, 2008
The debacle of Texas vs FLDS is just another sample of how government views the
freedoms of We The People. Resistance against the State will not be tolerated
nor unpopular beliefs, hence Waco tragedy and now FLDS. Our government is
firing warning shots across our collective faces every day and we cower behind
the "America can do no wrong" mantras we have adopted. Make no mistake
people, America will fail unless we become ACTIVE in the cause against out of
control government. Taking a stand against government tyranny isn't working
against America its defending its existence.
BLF | 12:17 p.m. May 14, 2008
It's really sad to read a lot of the posts here. It's OK for men to
impregnate girls young enough to be their granddaughters in the name of
religion? This "religion" teaches hate for black people, hate for
anyone who is different from them. Just because they speak softly doesn't
mean anything. They literally worship the pedophile Jeffs who is in prison where
he belongs. If he tells a father he must leave his family, off the father goes
and the family is given to another man. These poor women have known nothing else
and are nothing more than servants, sexually and otherwise, for the men they
serve. I guess all you FLDS defenders also think it's OK that teenage boys
are kicked out of the community, simply taken to town and left to fend for
themselves? I do feel for the mothers, but should it just be allowed to go on
indefinitely? The next step will be when many of the men are arrested. I look
forward to seeing them get their just due like Jeffs did.
Sharon | 12:19 p.m. May 14, 2008
The family photo of Joseph and Lori Jessop is beautiful. Wondering to
myself...if The State of Texas had not stepped in....would in years to
come...little Ziana Glo end up a child bride...would the two little boys end up
"The Lost Boys". I know many of you think it was wrong of Texas to
take action against the FLDS, but I'd rather see Texas have custody of the
children for the time being...then for a pretty little girl, such as Ziana Glo
...to end up with some dirty old perv in years to come.
Re: nantz | 12:24 p.m. May 14, 2008
Can't get through, to many LDS,FLDS posterson here,....go figure!!!!!
You obviously don't know enough about the LDS to distinguish between an LDS and a non-LDS poster.
What exactly are you trying to get through, to???
You obviously don't know enough about the LDS to distinguish between an LDS and a non-LDS poster.
What exactly are you trying to get through, to???
Re:Cheryl | 12:32 p.m. May 14, 2008
It's quite simple. The fathers don't interact with the children.
It's the responsibility of the women to raise the children so the women do
it. That's why you don't see interaction of children with fathers on
the schedule.
The fathers don't come into play, that's why they aren't on the schedule. The fathers are there to rule over the family. They boss the wives around and the wives then boss the children around. It's a very hierarchical society. The husband and wives are not equals. They believe in order for a woman to go to heaven they have to be married and the men hold the keys to everyone getting into heaven. In oder for the men to obtain the highest level of salvation they have to have at least three wives. The more wives the more spiritual you are.
The fathers don't come into play, that's why they aren't on the schedule. The fathers are there to rule over the family. They boss the wives around and the wives then boss the children around. It's a very hierarchical society. The husband and wives are not equals. They believe in order for a woman to go to heaven they have to be married and the men hold the keys to everyone getting into heaven. In oder for the men to obtain the highest level of salvation they have to have at least three wives. The more wives the more spiritual you are.
Anonymous | 12:34 p.m. May 14, 2008
What do the Bill of Rights and Constitution say?
What is DOESN'T say is it's okay to have sexual relations with relatives and children.
Phil in NC | 12:43 p.m. May 14, 2008
I am not an "FLDSer" but I have followed these events with great
interest as I am a father of 9 homeschooled children. I have read everything on
the subject from both sides of the fence and have called and talked to the FLDS
families using the information on their captivefldschildren.com site. Given all
of that, I just HAVE to ask, WHERE IN THE WORLD did "where there's
smoke there's fire" get that ridiculous statistic about "half of
the little girls were pregnant"? That is just the kind of gainsaying trash
that feeds the fire of abuse against these people. When the Nazis came to
Warsaw Poland and took the Jews away, they promised all of the mothers that they
were just being relocated and that they would be able to stay with their
children. We all know how those lies turned out. The Jewish children were
farmed out to German foster homes where they could be raised
"correctly" and the Jewish indoctrination could be purged from them.
No one is saying the State is going to exterminate the mothers but, try to
imagine what was on their minds when the armored personnel carriers and Storm
troopers showed up.
transplant | 12:49 p.m. May 14, 2008
re: the article at USAToday by By Mary Zeiss Stange "....the American
divorce rate, "serial polygamy" is closer to the norm
� often culminating in precisely the pattern practiced by
FLDS....
_________________
The difference in society at large is that women and men choose different partners at will at any time in their adult lives without having to relenquish their relationships with their children or family members. In FLDS especially but polygamy in general, it is only the men who can have multiple partners. In society at large it could be called serial monogamy. It is certainly not "serial polygamy". Divorce results in many relationships being severed but it's by mutual agreement by the parties involved. Not by the subdivision or municipality in which one lives.
_________________
The difference in society at large is that women and men choose different partners at will at any time in their adult lives without having to relenquish their relationships with their children or family members. In FLDS especially but polygamy in general, it is only the men who can have multiple partners. In society at large it could be called serial monogamy. It is certainly not "serial polygamy". Divorce results in many relationships being severed but it's by mutual agreement by the parties involved. Not by the subdivision or municipality in which one lives.
Sharon | 12:51 p.m. May 14, 2008
Educate me 12:06 May 14,
Bill of Rights. What does it say ?...hummm RAPE? in the name of religion of course !
Constitution. What does it say?..huuuuuummmmm RAPE? in the name of religion of course.
Bill of Rights. What does it say ?...hummm RAPE? in the name of religion of course !
Constitution. What does it say?..huuuuuummmmm RAPE? in the name of religion of course.
Kris | 12:51 p.m. May 14, 2008
what I don't understand about all this is that if the men are the
perpetrators why didn't the authorities come in and arrest all the men,
instead of causing misery to the mothers and children? At least the mothers and
kids would not have to have their lives turned upside down.
Phil | 1:01 p.m. May 14, 2008
RE: RE: Phil.....well, I've been called an idiot before and, since I cared
nothing of the opinion of a stranger, it meant nothing to me. You say that I am
guilty of committing physical and sexual abuse? Uhm, I am not FLDS and have
only visited Texas twice in the last few years. Never heard of FLDS before this
fiasco started. Makes me wonder .......... no, I'm quite sure... you are
more the idiot than me.
FREE THE CHILDREN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FREE THE CHILDREN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Leroy G. | 1:05 p.m. May 14, 2008
April 4 or 5:
"Long described CPS interviews with seven girls, one of whom said she has two children but doesn't know her own age. Her 8-year-old stepdaughter, however, told CPS the girl is younger than 16 and has four children, the affidavit states."
Where is she? This would be CPS centerpiece if it were true! Evidently it was not true.
And now:
31 young women? - mothers or pregnant. 27 said they were 18 or older. What are the odds that all 27 actually are over 18? What if one by one they prove this?
Odds are that some of them must be lying about ages. But we do not know. It is possible that every one of those 27 are telling the truth. When CPS took the children, the mothers were allowed to go with them. It is likely that no pregnant women were left at the Ranch. It is also likely that no pregnant women were separated from children later on. CPS would have wanted their children and so would not have let them leave. The mothers would have wanted to stay with the children so there was no great incentive to prove they were 18.
"Long described CPS interviews with seven girls, one of whom said she has two children but doesn't know her own age. Her 8-year-old stepdaughter, however, told CPS the girl is younger than 16 and has four children, the affidavit states."
Where is she? This would be CPS centerpiece if it were true! Evidently it was not true.
And now:
31 young women? - mothers or pregnant. 27 said they were 18 or older. What are the odds that all 27 actually are over 18? What if one by one they prove this?
Odds are that some of them must be lying about ages. But we do not know. It is possible that every one of those 27 are telling the truth. When CPS took the children, the mothers were allowed to go with them. It is likely that no pregnant women were left at the Ranch. It is also likely that no pregnant women were separated from children later on. CPS would have wanted their children and so would not have let them leave. The mothers would have wanted to stay with the children so there was no great incentive to prove they were 18.
Anonymous | 1:10 p.m. May 14, 2008
i just hope these young girls can get out of this abuse and be kids again and
find some sort of normal life. I hope none of these so called parents even see
there children again. The bottom line is that any adult male that can look at a
teenage girl sexually is sick beyond words. I believe there is a special place
in hell for these monsters that are hiding behind God.
Really Confused | 1:14 p.m. May 14, 2008
The State of Texas = Nazis? What about those who subjugate their free will;
believing that another human being is the living prophet of God; speaking truths
far greater than any other human can know? Or those who believe that they as
a group are divinely chosen to be superior to other humans? Don't we all
live among people who believe it is the work of the righteous to convert other
misguided individuals into the "true" and "right" way of
thinking and living? Don�t we prize ourselves on our
lineage and heritage? Aren�t we convinced that those not
in our tribe will experience annihilation? The State of Texas has subpoena
power and the power to incarcerate the living. Other power centers (insert your
favorite here) claim the right to determine a person's eternal salvation,
damnation or coronation. It is just a question of selecting a particular dogma
and surrendering your individuality. It's all about power. Those who would
take yours might stand in front of a flag or an altar. Why are we so willing to
chastise one while embracing the other?
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Clockwise from top, a family portrait of Joseph Steed Jessop Sr., Lori Jessop and their children; Ziana Glo Jessop, 4; Joseph Edson Jessop, 2; and Joseph Steed Jessop Jr., who turns 1 on Thursday. The FLDS family went to court to block the separation of the mother and infant child.
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