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Ex-FLDS bride's book released
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$o $ad | 12:52 a.m. May 14, 2008
$how me the money
"Stolen Innocence" | 1:01 a.m. May 14, 2008
The result of Mrs. Wall's book pre-release publicity Hoax in Texas resulted
in the "Stolen Innocence" of over 400 children. I pray she can live
with herself. I pity her!
observer | 5:08 a.m. May 14, 2008
She has books to sell. Just one more of the FLDS damning book selling crowd. Bet
she hopes you all will buy one. Money the root of all evil. They don't say
that for nothing.
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Elizabeth Conley | 5:20 a.m. May 14, 2008
You go girl! The only way to break the diabolical hold Warren Jeffs has on his
followers is to drain his coffers of the money he's stolen from them. Use
that money to heal as many victims as possible.
Christian women take note. Give some men an inch, and they'll take a mile. The "male headship" rhetoric that you've been hearing in recent decades is dangerous stuff. Do you want your lives and those of your daughters' to be as miserable as those of the women in the FLDS?
Nip it in the bud, ladies! Tell your husbands you want to be part of a healthy church where women are respected!
Christian women take note. Give some men an inch, and they'll take a mile. The "male headship" rhetoric that you've been hearing in recent decades is dangerous stuff. Do you want your lives and those of your daughters' to be as miserable as those of the women in the FLDS?
Nip it in the bud, ladies! Tell your husbands you want to be part of a healthy church where women are respected!
russ | 5:40 a.m. May 14, 2008
Based on what I read on this forum, this book will be a runaway best seller. Go
for it!!
Will I buy it. No. I will wait for the movie.
(Also, some brave librarian will order it for their library and I can pick it up there.)
Will I buy it. No. I will wait for the movie.
(Also, some brave librarian will order it for their library and I can pick it up there.)
Michigander | 6:14 a.m. May 14, 2008
I am glad the book is out. there is so much secrecy about the FLDS, that it will
help to shed more light on the practices. Elissa Wall has a lot of courage and
I hope that the book sells well and that the money will help to get other young
women out of situations that are abusive.
Anonymous | 6:31 a.m. May 14, 2008
Warren Jeffs, presided over young teen boys being kicked out of their
communities and their homes never to be seen again by their families. He
convinced a wife of a man who was taking care of him to leave her husband along
with the kids, and the poor man never saw his wife again. He comes out and
tells people not to wear red, forcing poor people to get rid of many of the
clothes in their closet. He continues the myth that unless these poor men and
women life in plural marriage that they can't go to heaven making this life
a burden for them.
Warren Jeffs is a desaster, he has caused a lot of pain to a lot of people.
Warren Jeffs is a desaster, he has caused a lot of pain to a lot of people.
so what | 6:54 a.m. May 14, 2008
i'm sure she will have a $million$ reasons to get to through her
"trials" in life. sorry but i only see the crocodile tears.
Brave Woman | 6:52 a.m. May 14, 2008
Elissa Wall is a brave woman for having the courage to stand up to Warren Jeffs
and ascert her rights to make her own choices.
Hopefully, her efforts will give other young FLDS girls the courage to throw off the shackles of these controlling men.
Not surprisingly, Mr. $o $ad above is upset that the pool of available child brides could be seriously affected by all of these events.
Hopefully, her efforts will give other young FLDS girls the courage to throw off the shackles of these controlling men.
Not surprisingly, Mr. $o $ad above is upset that the pool of available child brides could be seriously affected by all of these events.
Save the children | 7:04 a.m. May 14, 2008
And why not? If she were your daughter or sister....?
It's about money | 7:11 a.m. May 14, 2008
It is unfortunate Elisa Wall decided to use fake names for many of the
characters in her book. She had no choice for they are all lies. To use a real
name may have resulted in a libel and slander issue of which I am sure her
lawyers warned her on.
Admirable | 7:11 a.m. May 14, 2008
I say to her good job. I think it is very admirable what she has done to stand
up to oppressive people. What she has done will help many people.
I hope this lady | 7:12 a.m. May 14, 2008
is now happy, but I notice that she and Carolyn both have their children with
them.
FLDS Smear Campaign | 7:18 a.m. May 14, 2008
First it was Carolyn Jessop, now it's Elissa Wall. Anytime a former member
who has escaped from the FLDS speaks out about what is really happening within
the FLDS community, the FLDS smear campaign begins.
They know that some of their practices are illegal, and evil, but don't want the rest of the world to know that.
The trial and conviction of Warren Jeffs is a joke to them. They're so trapped in their delusions that his edicts are god's will, that they can't see him for who he truely is, a con-artist and child abuser.
They know that some of their practices are illegal, and evil, but don't want the rest of the world to know that.
The trial and conviction of Warren Jeffs is a joke to them. They're so trapped in their delusions that his edicts are god's will, that they can't see him for who he truely is, a con-artist and child abuser.
avengeance | 7:21 a.m. May 14, 2008
Another escapee from the religion no one escapes.
And a book deal to boot, eh?
I should "escape" the Southern Baptist "cult" and write a book on my terrible ordeal. I'm sure the chapter on infant male genital mutilation (circumcision) will be particularly engaging. Perhaps they'll raid all the Baptist churches in Texas and take away their kids. Any doctor could confirm the "systematic pattern of abuse".
And a book deal to boot, eh?
I should "escape" the Southern Baptist "cult" and write a book on my terrible ordeal. I'm sure the chapter on infant male genital mutilation (circumcision) will be particularly engaging. Perhaps they'll raid all the Baptist churches in Texas and take away their kids. Any doctor could confirm the "systematic pattern of abuse".
Good for Elissa | 7:29 a.m. May 14, 2008
She was a victim of the FLDS cult. She has to right to write a book if she
wants. There are more victims than just her. Just do some research.
FLDS Guides for Raising Kids | 7:35 a.m. May 14, 2008
General Guidelines for FLDS Children Ages 0-2 Years
A General Daily Schedule for FLDS Children Ages 2-6 Years
A General Daily Schedule for FLDS Children 1st - 3rd Grades
A General Daily Schedule for FLDS Children 4th grade � Highschool
A General Daily Schedule for FLDS Mothers Ages 14-18 Years
(NOT NEEDED: Because our 14-year-olds don't wear makeup, these children seem young, but they are very bright and understand more than adults realize. They have been well indoctrinated, er, taught, to be child brides, and, even though they only have a 7th grade education, they are fully prepared to take on the responsibilities of being a wife, mother and child at age 14.)
A General Daily Schedule for FLDS Boys Ages 14-18 Years Surviving on the Streets
(NOT NEEDED: Although our 14-year-old girls are "sweet", our 14-year-old boys are a mess. Thankfully most of the competition, er, boys, have been kicked out of our community and are no longer our responsibility.)
A General Daily Schedule for FLDS Children Ages 2-6 Years
A General Daily Schedule for FLDS Children 1st - 3rd Grades
A General Daily Schedule for FLDS Children 4th grade � Highschool
A General Daily Schedule for FLDS Mothers Ages 14-18 Years
(NOT NEEDED: Because our 14-year-olds don't wear makeup, these children seem young, but they are very bright and understand more than adults realize. They have been well indoctrinated, er, taught, to be child brides, and, even though they only have a 7th grade education, they are fully prepared to take on the responsibilities of being a wife, mother and child at age 14.)
A General Daily Schedule for FLDS Boys Ages 14-18 Years Surviving on the Streets
(NOT NEEDED: Although our 14-year-old girls are "sweet", our 14-year-old boys are a mess. Thankfully most of the competition, er, boys, have been kicked out of our community and are no longer our responsibility.)
jr | 7:37 a.m. May 14, 2008
Good for her but nope I won't be buying it as am sick of everyone writing a
book. Will she donate the money to the cause of heling the "lost
boys" or other women that need to escape or will she pocket it and gloat
I notice | 8:39 a.m. May 14, 2008
That she has her child with her as does Carolyn.
Gross | 8:54 a.m. May 14, 2008
Starting over has nothing to do with writing a book to get gain. But of course,
all those FLDS haters (or should I say mostly LDS haters who want to lump that
church together with the cult?) out there will buy her book. Enjoy your hate.
You go Girl! | 9:01 a.m. May 14, 2008
What you and the other ladies are doing takes a lot of guts. Hopefully your
stories will be enough to make others sit up and take notice. I hope that all of
you make tons of money from your books. But I don't think that money is
the reason that you have done what you have done. The world needs to see what
goes on behind these walls of secrecy. There is a saying that goes something
like this "Evil can only prevail when good people do nothing". Keep
up the good work.
so what | 9:02 a.m. May 14, 2008
has a fund or fondation been set up for all the victims?
Leave God out of this.. | 9:05 a.m. May 14, 2008
Forced marriages are wrong! Woman and men should always have the choice to
decide who they wish to spend their lives together with for eternity. Elissa
Wall is a brave woman to come forth and tell it how it is. I'm certain that
the FLDS cultists are backbiting her on this DN post. The FLDS men are self
gratifying hypocrites! They need to quit using GOD to do their evil practices on
women.
out of the woodwork | 9:08 a.m. May 14, 2008
boy, I have never seen so many polygamists wanting to use the internet since
this has unfolded. All upset the world peeked in on your depravity, eh?
Sharon | 9:37 a.m. May 14, 2008
I watched the trial on court TV and I have to say...Elisa Wall by testifying
against Warren Jeffs was a very brave thing to do.It makes me wonder,just how
many more young FLDS women wish they had the guts and courage to do the same,
but are scared to death to do so. For you all who didnt get to watch the
trial....Warren Jeffs set there like a wounded little rat trying to gain
sympathy from the court..didnt work though...the little weasel is right where he
belongs...BEHIND BARS !!
I for one...am very proud of Elisa Wall and all the other FLDS ex-members who are welling to gave of their time, and or money to help the Texas FLDS people.
I for one...am very proud of Elisa Wall and all the other FLDS ex-members who are welling to gave of their time, and or money to help the Texas FLDS people.
Blind Parrots | 9:40 a.m. May 14, 2008
It's no surprise that the FLDS propagandists, some trying to disguise
themselves as people from other religions or other regions of the country, are
dismissing Elissa's book as simply a money-making effort, just as they did
Carolyn Jessop's book.
They're simply blind followers of a deranged leader parroting each other's comments.
The more innocent people who can be freed from this mind-controlling group, the better. God bless her for trying to make it easier for others to escape.
They're simply blind followers of a deranged leader parroting each other's comments.
The more innocent people who can be freed from this mind-controlling group, the better. God bless her for trying to make it easier for others to escape.
Why doesn't she sue her parents? | 9:41 a.m. May 14, 2008
Why?
Bruce | 9:51 a.m. May 14, 2008
Ok. I don't have the intestinal fortitude or morals to live my religion.
Secular society says that I shouldn't blame myself so I'll blame my
family, friends, and church leaders..."embellishing" events as I go.
To be safe, I won't use real names so I can't be sued for slander.
I feel really guilty with no self esteem but some cash will really help me feel better.
Will you buy my book?
Please.
I feel really guilty with no self esteem but some cash will really help me feel better.
Will you buy my book?
Please.
FLDS commenting | 9:50 a.m. May 14, 2008
Gee, I wonder which of the above comments are from the FLDS readers? "I
hope she can live with herself. I pity her". Another says she's just
after the $ and we all know money is the root of all evil. Re: Avengence. Tell
me what color of pastel you're wearing right now and if you can do that
hair braid yourself.
Nobody except some poor indoctorinated soul would think that exposing a group that forces a 14 year old little girl to have sex would condemn her book.
Nobody except some poor indoctorinated soul would think that exposing a group that forces a 14 year old little girl to have sex would condemn her book.
Colorado City comments | 10:18 a.m. May 14, 2008
C'mon. Who do you think you fooling? Instead of pretending your a Baptist
or a reasonable person justifying marrying off little girls, your best result
would be commenting as to why you disapprove of the practice and then give lame
excuses why you disapprove. This really work better than what you're doing
and this is the last tip I'm giving you! Now, put up your dukes.
sakeneko | 10:20 a.m. May 14, 2008
Elissa Wall -- you go, girl. :-)
Everyone -- Wall's case is not about polygamy. She wasn't in a polygamous marriage; she was forced into a monogamous marriage at fourteen years of age and then forced to have sex with a man not of her choosing. What is so difficult to understand here? FORCING A PERSON TO HAVE SEX AGAINST THEIR WILL IS BOTH IMMORAL AND ILLEGAL. IT'S CALLED RAPE.
I see two big issues with the FLDS -- the forced marriages of young girls, and the throwaway boys. If it were not for these issues, I doubt that any significant number of people would care about the polygamy.
I also suspect that any prosecutions for polygamy between consenting adults that the adults had the sense to appeal to the Supreme Court would result in the laws against it being overturned. But prosecutions for forced marriage, rape and abandonment of children are a whole different matter; when that stuff happens, it *should* be prosecuted.
Everyone -- Wall's case is not about polygamy. She wasn't in a polygamous marriage; she was forced into a monogamous marriage at fourteen years of age and then forced to have sex with a man not of her choosing. What is so difficult to understand here? FORCING A PERSON TO HAVE SEX AGAINST THEIR WILL IS BOTH IMMORAL AND ILLEGAL. IT'S CALLED RAPE.
I see two big issues with the FLDS -- the forced marriages of young girls, and the throwaway boys. If it were not for these issues, I doubt that any significant number of people would care about the polygamy.
I also suspect that any prosecutions for polygamy between consenting adults that the adults had the sense to appeal to the Supreme Court would result in the laws against it being overturned. But prosecutions for forced marriage, rape and abandonment of children are a whole different matter; when that stuff happens, it *should* be prosecuted.
Re: Why not sue her parents? | 10:28 a.m. May 14, 2008
Because her parents don't have any money and, more importantly, because the
FLDS church and it's leaders are the ones ultimately responsible for her
forced marriage and rape.
guide | 10:34 a.m. May 14, 2008
FLDS guide for bleeding satan;
1.don't finish building your house, so you don't have to pay property tax on it
2.claim your a single mother with 12 kids to the welfare office
3.take federal highway money and public school money and put it in your pocket.
4.underbid all the other legitimate businesses around town ,and use the young boys and girls for slave labor
5. when running from the F.B.I., dress normally and drive a RED cadilac escalade
1.don't finish building your house, so you don't have to pay property tax on it
2.claim your a single mother with 12 kids to the welfare office
3.take federal highway money and public school money and put it in your pocket.
4.underbid all the other legitimate businesses around town ,and use the young boys and girls for slave labor
5. when running from the F.B.I., dress normally and drive a RED cadilac escalade
$o $ad, too bad . . . | 10:34 a.m. May 14, 2008
Don't get me wrong, Brave Woman; I take a back seat to no one in condemning
FLDS practices and dearly hope to see every last predator male in a Texas
prison.
However it is a typical reaction to adversity in our culture; get a lawyer, get a book deal, pump that 15 minutes of fame for all the ca$h you can grab.
Hopefully a book will enlighten the larger society about what FLDS is actually about; bad and good. Hopefully it will not further sensationalize an already sordid and poorly understood situation.
However, if there are any assets to be had I would like to see them used to do the most good for the most FLDS victims, not lining the pockets of lawyers.
However it is a typical reaction to adversity in our culture; get a lawyer, get a book deal, pump that 15 minutes of fame for all the ca$h you can grab.
Hopefully a book will enlighten the larger society about what FLDS is actually about; bad and good. Hopefully it will not further sensationalize an already sordid and poorly understood situation.
However, if there are any assets to be had I would like to see them used to do the most good for the most FLDS victims, not lining the pockets of lawyers.
Confused | 10:38 a.m. May 14, 2008
Since Elisa was underage, why did prosecutors not go after her parents like
Texas did? Clearly they contributed more than Jeffs and should be held to a
higher standard as parents. Why has there been no trial yet for the alleged
rapist, but Jeffs trail was completed? Charges for Steed happened AFTER Jeffs
was found guilty of accessory. Why is it that though, women are "watched
carefully and have no life" she managed to commit "adultery" and
get pregnant by a Barlow?
Why is it that Carolyn Jessop's "escaped" but her daughter Betty returned to the FLDS 5 years later when she was 18 years and two days? Certainly she had time to process any abuse and deprogram. Why is it that Fawn Holms, after her talk show circuit for having "escaped the cult" also returned?
It seems that the FLDS and "escapees" are just the flavor of the month and 15 minutes of fame will end shortly.
I "escaped" from the Catholic cult into the warm embrace of Agnosticism. I should write a booking and share the horrors...oh the hours of forced kneeling....sheer abuse. It's time that we all stopped playing the victim card and move on.
Why is it that Carolyn Jessop's "escaped" but her daughter Betty returned to the FLDS 5 years later when she was 18 years and two days? Certainly she had time to process any abuse and deprogram. Why is it that Fawn Holms, after her talk show circuit for having "escaped the cult" also returned?
It seems that the FLDS and "escapees" are just the flavor of the month and 15 minutes of fame will end shortly.
I "escaped" from the Catholic cult into the warm embrace of Agnosticism. I should write a booking and share the horrors...oh the hours of forced kneeling....sheer abuse. It's time that we all stopped playing the victim card and move on.
Ekim | 10:41 a.m. May 14, 2008
I'll buy her book.
Re: Bruce | 10:45 a.m. May 14, 2008
"I don't have the intestinal fortitude or morals to live my religion.
Secular society says that I shouldn't blame myself so I'll blame my
family, friends, and church leaders..."
A prime example of the FLDS hatred and why innocent people are so afraid to leave your despicable group.
A prime example of the FLDS hatred and why innocent people are so afraid to leave your despicable group.
As seen on Oprah | 10:45 a.m. May 14, 2008
Is it just me or are all ex-flds sounding like "million little pieces"
from the Oprah book club? If the group was acting as one, why do the stories
seem to contradict one another. Flora says that children have inferior
educations, Caroline says that they are way above average in their education.
Caroline says that there was a red revelation and some women pulled out red
roses to replace them with pink one while other women continued to wear their
red dresses. All make the claim that they are always "watched" and
have no privacy yet, Elisa manages to have an affair and get pregnant by a
Barlow. Even Flora spoke with "Sarah" that started this whole process
for an hour at times and repeatedly as did cps. Why is it that so many children
were abused by Merrill, Caroline's husband, yet Betty returned when she was
of age, after having been gone 5 years? Why is it that when this first came out
the Lost boys were all "kicked out as competition for females" and now
some are runaways that got involved with drugs.
Sorry, I like consistency and the Ex's aren't consistent with one another or themselves.
Sorry, I like consistency and the Ex's aren't consistent with one another or themselves.
Naomi | 10:45 a.m. May 14, 2008
I was going to comment but what's the use of doing so? everyone from FLDS
are ganging up on ELISSA WALL. You FLDS, people need to live with the truth and
get use to people knowing the truth about you. ELISSA did what was right rather
any of you want to agree with it or not. I see that there are a very LARGE
amount of saintly people on this blog....NOT!!!
Not FLDS | 10:57 a.m. May 14, 2008
I find it odd that the state filed charges against Warren Jeffs as accomplice
when the fact was that Rulon ordered the marriage with Jeffs only supporting his
prophet. If a woman, any woman seeks out marital advice, a good counselor tried
to keep the family whole if possible. How was Warren's counseling any
different? The damage was already done when Rulon arranged and completed the
marriage. Was it insane that a 19 year old boy was forced to marry a 14 year
old? Yes, but that began with Rulon. Place blame where appropriate.
Tip to FLDS readers | 11:01 a.m. May 14, 2008
I realize you're trying to disguise yourself as a non-polygamous Utah
resident simply commenting on the infringement of a religious group's civil
rights and a book with a slanted view of that religion. However, you have to
work on your sentence structure and presenting your ideas clearly. A simple
glance at a paragraph you've written gives you away. I know a lack of
education has you at a disadvantage, but ideas you're trying to convey
simply are not coming across as you want them to. Are there some adult education
classes in Colorado City you can register for?
Re: on Oprah | 11:11 a.m. May 14, 2008
"I like consistency"
Get used to disappointment.
The ex-FLDS each have stories based on their own experiences. Some of the details of the stories may not be consistence, but the overall theme is:
That the FLDS church is lead by a controlling group of men whose authority is absolute and whose edicts, regardless of how ridiculous, abusive, or against the law, must be followed without question. Freedom of expression and the right to disent are not allowed. Child abuse is sanctioned and encouraged by the church and its leaders.
Get used to disappointment.
The ex-FLDS each have stories based on their own experiences. Some of the details of the stories may not be consistence, but the overall theme is:
That the FLDS church is lead by a controlling group of men whose authority is absolute and whose edicts, regardless of how ridiculous, abusive, or against the law, must be followed without question. Freedom of expression and the right to disent are not allowed. Child abuse is sanctioned and encouraged by the church and its leaders.
Jim G. in Reno, NV. | 11:32 a.m. May 14, 2008
For God's sake! no one knows anything about this!
Wait until "due process of law"
speculation is just that: speculation!
I believe this "texas mess" will be overturned due to the 1st. 4th. and, 14th amendment in Federal Court; which as you know trumps state law.
Please do not take accusation as fact!
If this case is thrown out due to illegal search the Judge, Governor, head of CPS in texas, Mayor and, Sheriff will be removed from office by ballot or, the U.S. Marshal...and, Mr. Jeff's will be set free. (See Short Creek Aftermath)
I speculate that these "spritual marriages" are most likely the same non-sexual "Godfather" type of assigns as the Catholic Church performs for the financial support of children: if anything happens to their birth parents. The only thing I have seen so far is that "Baptist" Judge walter is predjudicial and, should recuse herself from these proceedings; however, she appears willing to destroy her career in her zeal and, hate for these "strange" people.
As for the "lost" boys: I would surmise that this was due to teenage immmaturity.
The real Book on the LDS will be soon written please wait for it. I am.
Wait until "due process of law"
speculation is just that: speculation!
I believe this "texas mess" will be overturned due to the 1st. 4th. and, 14th amendment in Federal Court; which as you know trumps state law.
Please do not take accusation as fact!
If this case is thrown out due to illegal search the Judge, Governor, head of CPS in texas, Mayor and, Sheriff will be removed from office by ballot or, the U.S. Marshal...and, Mr. Jeff's will be set free. (See Short Creek Aftermath)
I speculate that these "spritual marriages" are most likely the same non-sexual "Godfather" type of assigns as the Catholic Church performs for the financial support of children: if anything happens to their birth parents. The only thing I have seen so far is that "Baptist" Judge walter is predjudicial and, should recuse herself from these proceedings; however, she appears willing to destroy her career in her zeal and, hate for these "strange" people.
As for the "lost" boys: I would surmise that this was due to teenage immmaturity.
The real Book on the LDS will be soon written please wait for it. I am.
Deceptive FLDS men | 11:40 a.m. May 14, 2008
To- Tip to FLDS readers, I agree, I notice the same thing as you did while
reading these posts. Also, FLDS men pose as woman on some of these Flds posts.
What they say and write on here a normal woman would never say! These Flds guys
are really something else!
God certainly has his hands full with all these lying deviates.
God certainly has his hands full with all these lying deviates.
2 sides to every story | 11:41 a.m. May 14, 2008
I'm glad her book is out. Those who read it will be able to learn a lot
about this culture from a one-time-insider's point of view.
I've never seen a story where there weren't at least 2 sides to the story (and the truth is somewhere in between). I'm wondering if we will ever see a book documenting the rest of the story (from the husband's point of view).
Her husband's testimony in court didn't match her story, so obviously there is more than just her perspective of the events.
I know the 19 year old husband may totally be lieing or under Jeff's spell and not even know he's lieing, but still I'd like to hear his account of the rape and events leading up to it.
I'm not saying either of them isn't telling the truth. Sometimes it's just a matter of perspective, but I like to hear both sides of the story before I form my own opinion.
I've never seen a story where there weren't at least 2 sides to the story (and the truth is somewhere in between). I'm wondering if we will ever see a book documenting the rest of the story (from the husband's point of view).
Her husband's testimony in court didn't match her story, so obviously there is more than just her perspective of the events.
I know the 19 year old husband may totally be lieing or under Jeff's spell and not even know he's lieing, but still I'd like to hear his account of the rape and events leading up to it.
I'm not saying either of them isn't telling the truth. Sometimes it's just a matter of perspective, but I like to hear both sides of the story before I form my own opinion.
Rich | 11:43 a.m. May 14, 2008
Polygamy is a crime. The polygamists are lucky that the attorney generals in
Utah, Texas and Arizona have chosen to look the other way as thousands of
citizens continue to take part in plural marriage. This is the real problem.
Utah Attorney General Mark Shurtleff is afraid to enforce the law for several
reasons:
1) the cost would be too great,
2) the convictions could be overturned after an appeal to federal courts,
3) the LDS Chuch could reinstitute polygamy,
4) some of his ancestors were polygamists, and they might frown on his siding with the "enemy,"
5) the LDS Church doesn't want more publicity for an offshoot cult because the media intentionally would confuse readers and viewers over the FLDS and the LDS,
6) it is difficult to come up with enough proof to convict a person of polygamy,
7) the government approves of homosexual activity, sodomy, extramarital sexual activity and premarital sexual activity and, therefore, implicitly considers polygamous sexual activity no worse as Justice Scalia warned in his dissent over the sodomy issue,
8) 18-year-old girls are old enough to vote and to serve in the military; therefore, they're old enough to marry into polygamy.
1) the cost would be too great,
2) the convictions could be overturned after an appeal to federal courts,
3) the LDS Chuch could reinstitute polygamy,
4) some of his ancestors were polygamists, and they might frown on his siding with the "enemy,"
5) the LDS Church doesn't want more publicity for an offshoot cult because the media intentionally would confuse readers and viewers over the FLDS and the LDS,
6) it is difficult to come up with enough proof to convict a person of polygamy,
7) the government approves of homosexual activity, sodomy, extramarital sexual activity and premarital sexual activity and, therefore, implicitly considers polygamous sexual activity no worse as Justice Scalia warned in his dissent over the sodomy issue,
8) 18-year-old girls are old enough to vote and to serve in the military; therefore, they're old enough to marry into polygamy.
A FLDS | 11:44 a.m. May 14, 2008
I am FLDS and Elissa can do what ever she wants rather it hurts family or
friends it don't matter. What matters is when her and others try to not
let me or other do what we believe and want to do. We are not brainwashed
anymore than you are with the media hype. This case is not the norm of what
happens there where many circumstances that we don't know about that
brought this marriage togather. Elissa can feel like a victim and even make
money feeling that way, just let others have the same privledge
Ambivalent | 11:50 a.m. May 14, 2008
Before the Warren Jeffs trial and the raid on the YFZ ranch, I was ambivalent
about the FLDS church and their practice of polygamy, as I am with most
polygamists. I had driven through Colorado City and Hilldale many times on my
way to Arizona and looked on the people living there as nothing more than a
curiousity.
Thanks to the Jeffs trial, my attention was drawn to other news about the FLDS church and its practices. I've gained an appreciation for the many good, decent, hard-working, God-fearing people within the FLDS communities, but they also have some serious moral and legal issues within their belief system that need to be addressed.
Instead of criticizing the news media and castigating people who are sincerely concerned about the welfare of the FLDS children and women, the FLDS should take a hard look in the mirror and come to terms with the true source of their problems -- following the misguided and often illegal directives of FLDS leaders who are leading the FLDS people astray.
A long time ago, the FLDS founders lost their way. Hopefully, these events will help some FLDS members find their way back.
Thanks to the Jeffs trial, my attention was drawn to other news about the FLDS church and its practices. I've gained an appreciation for the many good, decent, hard-working, God-fearing people within the FLDS communities, but they also have some serious moral and legal issues within their belief system that need to be addressed.
Instead of criticizing the news media and castigating people who are sincerely concerned about the welfare of the FLDS children and women, the FLDS should take a hard look in the mirror and come to terms with the true source of their problems -- following the misguided and often illegal directives of FLDS leaders who are leading the FLDS people astray.
A long time ago, the FLDS founders lost their way. Hopefully, these events will help some FLDS members find their way back.
Sharon | 11:52 a.m. May 14, 2008
This is a response to.... It's About Money, May14...7:11am.
Did you ever stop to think Elisa used fake names in her book to protect family and friends from the likes of Warren Jeffs's cronies on the outside? Also, the people mentioned in her book, might of asked Elisa, not to use their real name. I guess not...otherwise you wouldnt of posted such nonsense.
Did you ever stop to think Elisa used fake names in her book to protect family and friends from the likes of Warren Jeffs's cronies on the outside? Also, the people mentioned in her book, might of asked Elisa, not to use their real name. I guess not...otherwise you wouldnt of posted such nonsense.
Re: Jim G | 11:56 a.m. May 14, 2008
"If this case is thrown out due to illegal search the Judge, Governor, head
of CPS in texas, Mayor and, Sheriff will be removed from office by ballot or,
the U.S. Marshal...and, Mr. Jeff's will be set free."
Wishful thinking on the part of an FLDS zealot.
Wishful thinking on the part of an FLDS zealot.
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