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Published: Wednesday, May 14 2008 12:00 a.m. MDT

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CPS was wrong

I agree. The CPS shouldn't have done what they did. But it's probably better than my idea, which is to bulldoze all the walls and the guardtower and make the kids go outside the compound 2 afternoons a week.
Listen, people - these children's rights were being STOMPED ON. Instead of being so concerned about the parents rights, try (for once) to think of the children's rights to an open and proserous future. If left alone in that compound, they were all destined to be enslaved and have no hope for a future. Granted, they'd be happy, since ignorance is bliss, but they could do great things in the real world, yet none of them would have any chance at all. How many doctors, scientists, etc are in ththose kids? We would never know.
These parents were abusing these kids EVERY DAY!! By telling them that everyone and everything outside the gates is evil, and if they leave they will go to hell - and told that every day from the day they are born, by people they trust - that's abuse. That's stealing their future - and I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.

G

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These parents were abusing these kids EVERY DAY!! By telling them that everyone and everything outside the gates is evil, and if they leave they will go to hell - and told that every day from the day they are born, by people they trust - that's abuse. That's stealing their future - and I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy."


There's a slight problem with your idea--namely that what you have just described is legal and practiced daily in the Bible Belt and elsewhere.

antizelot

Statutory rape laws are unconstitutional and are nothing but a tool custom made to persecute religious responsible people and celebrate teenagers who fornicate secretly in backseats of cars. Statutory rape laws don't stop teen pregnancies and never will. That is what Abortions are for !!

Unbelievable

What can we do? We MUST do something. We cannot stand idly by and watch this travesty go on. We must stand up for these children and save them from the clutches of this horrible evil which is the Texas CPS. Can we contribute? Can we write to Governor Perry? Will it do any good? This entire situation makes me sick to my stomach. We MUST do something.

antizelot

Ive written a few angry letters and at least it will make you feel better if nothing else. You should also write to your senators and tell them you are not happy with your tax dollars being used to steal children from their families. This problem is beyond just the Texas CPS it is happening in every state because of financial incentives. As you have noticed the FBI has not stepped in to protect the rights and well being of US citizens and frankly that scares me more than the Texas authorities. The FLDS also has their own website where you can contribute. But if Judges wont obey the law what good will hiring attorneys do ?

Interloper

This tempest in a teapot is a distraction that I am sure will fade since there is no actual evidence of abuse of any of the FLDS guests. Based on the poor reasoning, spelling and grammar errors of most of the MHMR workers, I do not think they have qualifications to be making judgments about important issues anyway. They were likely there to soothe the guests, a job that they obviously failed in.

I look forward to the evidence being weighed and individual child custody cases being resolved. But, that should be done with deliberate speed so that youngsters are not returned to abusive FLDS members.

It saddens me that the degree of ignorance of some people in our country is such that years after everyone should have learned people in the condition Terri Schiavo was in have no brain functions beyond those provided by the brain stem such as breathing, there are still folks incapable of grasping something that easy to understand. Let's hope that the YFZ Ranch saga will provide lasting understanding of why child sex abuse is unacceptable in our society, and, the legal procedures involved in child custody cases.

Thomas

The CPS continues on it way harrasing innocent parents and their children. CPS has already acknowledged that one alleged child bride is an adult. What happens if all these so-called child brides are actually adults?

Interesting to the Interloper.

Tomorrow is another day. I'm beginning to wonder who is keeping all of this hullabaloo going. I've yet to read anywhere but on this web site about the letter to President Bush, the letters from the MHMR workers, etc.

I stand by what I said earlier. MHMR staff do not have a leg to stand on. Posters need to check their records also. I find it interesting that they did not say how many workers were actually at the coliseum. Was it 9 complaints out of 9 staff, or 9 complaints out of 100 staff?..We will probably never know that one for sure.

to psyche nurse

Thank you, I work as a counselor and can't believe the damage cps has done to these children affecting them the rest of their lives. There are abandonment issues as a child cannot understand this cruelty of separation by the State. The children need to be returned immediately, I wish we could drive an army in there and pull the same act on CPS as they pulled on the FLDS.

John

How would you like it if your children were taken away because a neighbor down the street abused a child? Why didn't they first investigate to find out who was doing the abusing?

CPS insects

First they take everything out of Rozitas apartment, so that well never learn the truth of how all this started. They confiscate the mothers cellphones so that there wont be a visual record of the children being ripped from their arms, then they make social workers sign confidentiality agreements so that no one will know how theyre mistreating their victims. They operate in the dark like roaches, with all the morality of insects.

Spam City

I see the FLDS spammers were up late with their usual weak arguments about the CPS trying to destroy their religion.

In reality, CPS is only trying to prevent the FLDS from further abusing their children, but the FLDS don't see anything wrong with abusing their children, so to them, this is all a giant conspiracy to destroy their religion.

Whatever it takes, the FLDS must be prevented from getting their kids back until they've agreed to abandon their practice of forced underage marriages.

To - G

what I said isnt practiced every day in the bible belt. Those kids go to college and are free to choose their path. These kids are locked behind a guard tower. See the difference?
Comparing these kids to those raised in a std religious household is just ignorant.

To antizelot

"Statutory rape laws are unconstitutional and are nothing but a tool custom made to persecute religious responsible people and celebrate teenagers who fornicate secretly in backseats of cars. Statutory rape laws don't stop teen pregnancies and never will. That is what Abortions are for !!"

Yes, but there is a major difference between teens who explore their sexuality--not with the best results, sometimes--of their own free will and kids who are forced into marriages with adults several times their age. None of the teens I work with chose forty-year old men for their partners. I'm a high school teacher, and there are plenty of teens having sex, but they have access to birth control. FLDS kids do not. And they're told that if they don't submit to these older men they're disobedient and bad and going to hell. What kind of life is that, whether that's how you were raised or not?

Grandpa Phil

Interloper, my wife and I served as foster parents to over 200 teenage foster daughters in NC over a five year period. We have seen first-hand the abuses that CPS has inflicted upon children and families in this State. Now we are watching those same things happening in Texas. We are STILL waiting for the "legal procedures involved in child custody cases" to become apparent. There do not seem to be any in the Texas case. What you call a distraction and a "tempest in a teapot" is nothing less than an attempt to minimalize the horrific scope of State abuse in this case. It is called the exercise of unrighteous dominion and CPS has honed it to a science.

As for the poor writing skills of the Mental Health workers, they are probably drawn from the same pool as the CPS workers. Few of the CPS workers we have come into contact with over the years have the comprehensive skills to grasp a technical concept such as legal rights and almost none possess the compassion to look inside an issue and weigh the consequences of their abuse. Their reading comprehension skills are minimal and sometimes laughable. That is sad.

Grandpa Phil

Spam City would love to make everyone believe that the only supporters the FLDS families have is other FLDS people. Hate to be the one to burst your bubble Spam City but there are a LOT of us out here who see this for what it is. Under the pretext of protecting the children from abuse, the State of texas has perpetrated the worst case of abuse on a group of children in the history of the United States - UNDER COLOR OF LAW. The illegal actions of CPS and the Sheriff Dept. are actionable under 42 US Code, Sec 1983. The people may take their time in figuring out what happened but, when the smoke and mirrors have cleared, someone is going to pay dearly for treading on the rights of these families. If there really was any child abuse, prosecute it. None of us has any problem with that. As yet, we have yet to see any. All we hear is vague accusations and innuendo and hearsay. Such things are only admisable in Kangaroo Courts. We will wait and see how the hearings are handled and hope the theme song to CPT Kangaroo isn't playing in the background.

magnus


It is my and every other parents God and State given right to teach my children (or indoctrinate them) the way that I think is in their best interest.

There may not be a right way to handle a complicated situation like this, but I think there is little question that this is the wrong way. I hope and pray that justice when the dust settle that justice is served for everybody involved here. Unfortunately justice isn't going to repair the damage done to these kids.

I wonder if anyone at CPS ever considered the possible outcomes of this situation? Maybe shortsightedness is just part of being a Texan. I wonder if anybody ever thought about the high probability that if these kids do go back to their families (which they probably will because the state is running out of reasons to keep them) and they grow up continuing to be "indoctrinated" with the teaching of their faith. How much MORE like will they be to become MORE extreme in their distrust fo the government and MORE radical in their separationest views.

Childhood Trauma + percieved injustice + abuse of authority + isolation = perfect breeding ground for extremism

G


To the poster at 8:33:

"what I said isnt practiced every day in the bible belt. Those kids go to college and are free to choose their path. These kids are locked behind a guard tower. See the difference?"

I've lived in the Bible Belt all my life, I think I know how things go here. Yes, many religious groups teach that non-protestants will go to Hell when they die, and generally threaten their own children with the same. That isn't conducive to producing well-balanced children, but not illegal nonetheless.

As for college, that issue is completely irrelevant because "kids" do not generally go to college. College is for adults (18+) and is not a parenting issue any more than military enlistment is ("Kids" that old are fighting in Iraq right now. Call CPS.)

Why you pro-CPS types continue to resort to non-sequitirs like this one is confounding since Texas insists that they have substantive evidence that FLDS was doing something that was actually illegal and not something that is merely disturbing to your own particular suburbanite, soccer-mom ethos and therefore "bad parenting".

The world is a big place, and not every good parent drives a minivan.

Grandpa Phil

Magnus, that is just the kind of eye opening people need right now. You are correct of course. Sooner or later, most, if not all of these children will have to return to parental custody. The State can threaten and wail and knash teeth all they want but, sooner or later, the reasons for keeping them away from their parents will dissolve like sand castles at high tide. When that happens, the State will find out that they have only reinforced in the children what their parents have been telling them - that the authorities out there are the bad guys. I agree with them; the authorities in Texas ARE the bad guys and, if I lived in Texas, you can bet I would be making considerable preparations to make sure this could not happen to my family. CPS only has themselves to blame. Their worst fears will become a self-fulfilling prophecy. (Sorry, I just have to chuckle when I think about all you folks out there who don't believe in prophecies.)

Antizelot

of course I am against young girls being forced to marry if they don't want to. They could have gone in there and asked them if they were imprisoned by their husbands. Not one person from the YFZ said thanks for rescuing me. There were no victims there until they all had their children kidnapped. Maybe they were mad at the women for wanting to go home with their kids instead of renouncing their husbands.

I don't see how a young girl getting pregnant by a boy her own age who has no means to support her is good. "Safe sex" is more of a benefit to men than women. It is nothing more than unpaid prostitution. It causes emotional damage in young women as they travel though numerous meaningless sex partners. Men want sex. Women want love, stability, and a safe place to raise their children.

Even if the Mormons paired off teenagers I'll bet they would have still been treated the same.

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