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Anonymous | 7:37 p.m. May 22, 2008
Whatever is going on with flds is wrong. What is worse is the Texas cps! I
should know. My daughter was taken away all based on a lie, a well documented
lie! They took my daughter away. After a lot of heartache and money she is
back with us. I have no history of violence or abusive behavior. A therapist
was fired. A school headmaster lost his job. A teacher was fired. A school
administrator was demoted. A social worker was transferred. A social worker
was fired. The report was made up. The report cited a doctor who doesn't
exist. The state's lawyer was caught in a lie. Child protective services
is broken. While the protection of children is necessary, and their goals and
objectives may be noble, reality is such that they do more harm than good.
Jim Green | 9:39 p.m. May 22, 2008
Sweet justice. As I told you in my earlier entry, the entire case against the
FLDS was and is a scam. And those of you who watched CNN tonight now know I was
telling you the truth.
I made only one mistake. There were not three girls under 18 which were pregnant. There were just two and none below 18 have given birth at all. So, the FLDS were correct all along. They do not marry off minors.
One girl is seventeen; one girl is sixteen, though the 16 year old says she is 18. None the less, it is not against Texas law to be 16 and married or 16 and pregnant.
The State swore under oath that 31 minors were pregnant. Now if you notice, my entry was dated in April. Do you honestly think I was the only one to know this information?
I made only one mistake. There were not three girls under 18 which were pregnant. There were just two and none below 18 have given birth at all. So, the FLDS were correct all along. They do not marry off minors.
One girl is seventeen; one girl is sixteen, though the 16 year old says she is 18. None the less, it is not against Texas law to be 16 and married or 16 and pregnant.
The State swore under oath that 31 minors were pregnant. Now if you notice, my entry was dated in April. Do you honestly think I was the only one to know this information?
No Name (Sorry) | 9:59 p.m. May 22, 2008
I am an Ex-CPS Investigator. I have worked Criminal (as a COP)and Civil(as
CPS)Investigations; I'm still a Cop. I want everyone to understand CPS IS
NEEDED. If you have seen that things that I have seen you would understand
this. The majority of children who are killed or abused; the suspect is a a
FAMILY member. This is just the way it is, I don't like it, but its
REALITY. There were times I thanked God that I wasn't carrying my firearm
when talking to people who confessed to killing or abusing their children (it is
a very depressing job and takes it toll); 16 child deaths total. It's one
of the reason I left. I have worked investigations where I know I saved
children, but on the same hand, I worked investigations where I know deep down
inside I was doing more harm than good for the child and family. I say this
with an emphasis on the difference between a criminal investigation and a civil.
Law Enforcement has been around for centuries, CPS in Texas has been here maybe
40 years? Hardly anybody quits Law Enforcement, CPS has a turnover rate of 54%;
see what I'm getting at?
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Richard | 1:50 a.m. May 25, 2008
gold wrote: "CPS first priority is to protect the unproteced, and to find a
permanent situation be it with parents, relatives, kinship, adoptive
placement"
Sounds like brochure-ware to me (unless they are protecting themselves). Is this why you think CPS has justification to violate the law?
When you hear, "We're CPS and we're hear to protect you," be afraid, be very afraid!
Sounds like brochure-ware to me (unless they are protecting themselves). Is this why you think CPS has justification to violate the law?
When you hear, "We're CPS and we're hear to protect you," be afraid, be very afraid!
Richard | 3:18 a.m. May 25, 2008
The Texan wrote: "Hey Grandma (obviosu FLDS poser), abuse was found, that
why the courts ordered the action they did. You have dementia or
something."
Yeah, the appeals court rescinding that court order must be an FLDS poser as well...
Would you like an aisle or window seat in the sanitorium, Texan?
Yeah, the appeals court rescinding that court order must be an FLDS poser as well...
Would you like an aisle or window seat in the sanitorium, Texan?
Richard | 3:21 a.m. May 25, 2008
ING wrote: "I can't help imagining my own children, 9 and 6 years old,
in such a situation. I don't think they'll ever be in that situation,
and I would never do anything to put them in it..."
Be careful your confidence, many (maybe even many on this list), never would do anything to put themselves or their children in that situation, but they still found themselves in a such a situation. I wouldn't believe it could happen, until it happened to me.
That is why the reaction is so visceral.
Be careful your confidence, many (maybe even many on this list), never would do anything to put themselves or their children in that situation, but they still found themselves in a such a situation. I wouldn't believe it could happen, until it happened to me.
That is why the reaction is so visceral.
Richard | 3:27 a.m. May 25, 2008
Obvious wrote: "The numerous posts on this site supporting the FLDS do not
reflect the attitudes around the country. The public sentiment is overwhelmingly
in favor of reigning in these polygamists. "
Well, I live in Washington (we already had our CPS nightmare a years ago), and I although I do not comport with FLDS beliefs, I thoroughly support them.
However, if you think this action is lawfully about 'reigning in those polygamists," then it is probably more important to reign in you. I say this because you indicate a willingness to deny due process to others, a keystone of tyranny.
Well, I live in Washington (we already had our CPS nightmare a years ago), and I although I do not comport with FLDS beliefs, I thoroughly support them.
However, if you think this action is lawfully about 'reigning in those polygamists," then it is probably more important to reign in you. I say this because you indicate a willingness to deny due process to others, a keystone of tyranny.
Richard | 3:37 a.m. May 25, 2008
Watcher wrote: "I don't consider leaving children with abusive parents until the parents have been tried and convicted of abuse to be an American tradition or constitutional."
I see, due process is not needed in the USA. Has it occurred to you that the reason we charge, then present evidence, then arrive at a deliberated verdict, is to protect the innocent? You just decided they were abused (and it must have been some awkward definition you used), and suggested punishing the victims who might not even be victims. If it were your way, why go to court at all. Just accuse, take what you want, and let the wastrels languish in jail.
Watcher also wrote: "We're not certain that all of the children actually belong to parents living at the ranch, so the state first has to determine the legal parents of each child before the children can be returned."
So, they can take your children for weeks to determine whether they belong to you, before they are returned? Am I detecting a neuro-disease here, or is this the New Logic?
No Name (Sorry) | 9:14 a.m. May 26, 2008
For "Richard." You have some keen issues brought to mind but I
have to point this out, CPS 1st priority is the protection of the CHILD, not the
family or parents.
1st, do your homework; if a child is being abused, it does not automatically mean the child is "Removed" from the family, CPS has to first find or attempt to find a family member to place the child with while the investigation is ongoing. The reason for this is to place the least amount of emotional trauma on the child. But if during the course of the investigation the investigator finds out or suspects family knew about the abuse, did nothing to stop it or has shown a pattern of being non-protective, CPS will then remove the child.
I have to also mention that CPS attempts to come to an agreement with the parents (and person who accepts placement of the child) to take steps to ensure a investigation is conducted without interference and the child is not at risk of being abused while the investigation is ongoing.
Think about what would happen if CPS investigates, suspects abuse may be occurring, does nothing and then the child dies.
1st, do your homework; if a child is being abused, it does not automatically mean the child is "Removed" from the family, CPS has to first find or attempt to find a family member to place the child with while the investigation is ongoing. The reason for this is to place the least amount of emotional trauma on the child. But if during the course of the investigation the investigator finds out or suspects family knew about the abuse, did nothing to stop it or has shown a pattern of being non-protective, CPS will then remove the child.
I have to also mention that CPS attempts to come to an agreement with the parents (and person who accepts placement of the child) to take steps to ensure a investigation is conducted without interference and the child is not at risk of being abused while the investigation is ongoing.
Think about what would happen if CPS investigates, suspects abuse may be occurring, does nothing and then the child dies.
No Name (Sorry) | 9:39 a.m. May 26, 2008
For "Richard" continued.
Do you suggest that CPS just leave the child with the family until the investigation if finished, thereby leaving the child at risk of further abuse. Reality is that the family (suspect) would apologize, convince the child it won't happen again and to say nothing. Children want to protect their parents.
CPS's only concern is that of the CHILD, the CHILD who is too afraid or who doesn't even understand that what the child is being subjected to is abuse. Many children living in abusive homes don't even understand that they are being abused, they believe it's normal. I seen children taken from VERY ABUSIVE HOMES and crying to be left with the ABUSERS. This is all the child knows, all the child has ever grown up with.
The problem with this is that policies and procedures get put into place to handle situations (regardless of actual abuse) the same way. If CPS treats abuse differently from one family to the next, attorneys would cry foul. 80% of what CPS investigates is RULED OUT, that tells you that 80% of the time, CPS is wasting their time. Time that is taken away from real cases of abuse.
Do you suggest that CPS just leave the child with the family until the investigation if finished, thereby leaving the child at risk of further abuse. Reality is that the family (suspect) would apologize, convince the child it won't happen again and to say nothing. Children want to protect their parents.
CPS's only concern is that of the CHILD, the CHILD who is too afraid or who doesn't even understand that what the child is being subjected to is abuse. Many children living in abusive homes don't even understand that they are being abused, they believe it's normal. I seen children taken from VERY ABUSIVE HOMES and crying to be left with the ABUSERS. This is all the child knows, all the child has ever grown up with.
The problem with this is that policies and procedures get put into place to handle situations (regardless of actual abuse) the same way. If CPS treats abuse differently from one family to the next, attorneys would cry foul. 80% of what CPS investigates is RULED OUT, that tells you that 80% of the time, CPS is wasting their time. Time that is taken away from real cases of abuse.
No Name (Sorry) | 12:46 p.m. May 26, 2008
"Richard" cont.
Everyone wants to pass judgement and lay the blame on someone, but nobody offers an alternative or offers solutions to fix the problems. I'm not say that CPS is perfect, but the REALITY is that CPS is all we have right now (better than nothing).
When a child is being abused and cops make an arrest, do you think the cops pick this child up and care for him? NO, CPS does. It is CPS's responsiblity to ensure the child is no longer placed at risk of being abused again. The suspect will get out of jail sooner or later and CPS has to find out if the mother/caregiver/guardian has shown that she will be protective of the child when the abuser gets out.
This type of investigations can take a while and the harsh reality is that CPS has TIMEFRAMES, cops don't.
REALITY is that abuse is a pattern, a mother who was sexually abused will partner up with a male who will abuse her and her child. You can arrest the abuser but mother will end up again with someone just like him again and the abuse continues.
Everyone wants to pass judgement and lay the blame on someone, but nobody offers an alternative or offers solutions to fix the problems. I'm not say that CPS is perfect, but the REALITY is that CPS is all we have right now (better than nothing).
When a child is being abused and cops make an arrest, do you think the cops pick this child up and care for him? NO, CPS does. It is CPS's responsiblity to ensure the child is no longer placed at risk of being abused again. The suspect will get out of jail sooner or later and CPS has to find out if the mother/caregiver/guardian has shown that she will be protective of the child when the abuser gets out.
This type of investigations can take a while and the harsh reality is that CPS has TIMEFRAMES, cops don't.
REALITY is that abuse is a pattern, a mother who was sexually abused will partner up with a male who will abuse her and her child. You can arrest the abuser but mother will end up again with someone just like him again and the abuse continues.
Gold | 8:00 p.m. May 27, 2008
To Richard,
No, this was not a brochure ware comment as you say. It is CPS's job to protect the child. As stated, if there is "reason to believe" the child/children are removed. I have seen first hand children saved. I have seen children returned back to parents in a short time from 1 day to 18 months or more. Every case is different.
No-name(sorry) stated alot of comments that are facts. Maybe you should read them Richard.
I will ask this again. I thought more than one wife is illegal in the USA. Someone correct me if I am wrong.
No, this was not a brochure ware comment as you say. It is CPS's job to protect the child. As stated, if there is "reason to believe" the child/children are removed. I have seen first hand children saved. I have seen children returned back to parents in a short time from 1 day to 18 months or more. Every case is different.
No-name(sorry) stated alot of comments that are facts. Maybe you should read them Richard.
I will ask this again. I thought more than one wife is illegal in the USA. Someone correct me if I am wrong.
Bartleby | 10:48 p.m. June 10, 2008
Social worker charged with false report
by MARY MUSIC
Staff Writer
PRESTONSBURG � A criminal summons was issued Wednesday for a social services worker charged with making a false report against his clients.
Floyd County Chris Newsome now faces a class A misdemeanor charge of falsely reporting an incident after an investigation by the Prestons-burg Police Department ended Wednesday.
The investigation, which began earlier this month after Auxier residents Richard and Kimberly Hardy produced an audio recording of Newsome during a regularly scheduled visit of their son, sparked several other complaints from the community against the Floyd County social services agency.
by MARY MUSIC
Staff Writer
PRESTONSBURG � A criminal summons was issued Wednesday for a social services worker charged with making a false report against his clients.
Floyd County Chris Newsome now faces a class A misdemeanor charge of falsely reporting an incident after an investigation by the Prestons-burg Police Department ended Wednesday.
The investigation, which began earlier this month after Auxier residents Richard and Kimberly Hardy produced an audio recording of Newsome during a regularly scheduled visit of their son, sparked several other complaints from the community against the Floyd County social services agency.
Ted | 10:00 p.m. June 21, 2008
CPS is just getting more bold at what they normally do to smaller families.
They treated my family similarly, and my lawyer advised me to cooperate while they kidnap my daughter because they could otherwise retaliate by kidnapping my younger son, and there would be no chance any case would be resolved before she turned 18. It didn't matter how well we'd raised them, or that my daughter was already advanced in college math before being college age, or that we'd been officially recognized by congress for the children's accomplishments the past couple of years. All that matters to them is their own (paid-off) "therapist's professional" opinions.
That was quite a shock to me, who had always believed in the "liberty and justice for all" that our forefathers laid down their lives for. Maybe we'd be as good off under some other totalitarian regime if this is not stopped. So let's stop it. I say ask our politicians to show who they'll support - families and freedom, or a nationally supported multi-billion-dollar kidnapping ring. Only vote for those who will support our true freedom (from homeland threats like corrupt CPS agents).
Stop Child exPloitation disService now!
Your neighborhood next?
They treated my family similarly, and my lawyer advised me to cooperate while they kidnap my daughter because they could otherwise retaliate by kidnapping my younger son, and there would be no chance any case would be resolved before she turned 18. It didn't matter how well we'd raised them, or that my daughter was already advanced in college math before being college age, or that we'd been officially recognized by congress for the children's accomplishments the past couple of years. All that matters to them is their own (paid-off) "therapist's professional" opinions.
That was quite a shock to me, who had always believed in the "liberty and justice for all" that our forefathers laid down their lives for. Maybe we'd be as good off under some other totalitarian regime if this is not stopped. So let's stop it. I say ask our politicians to show who they'll support - families and freedom, or a nationally supported multi-billion-dollar kidnapping ring. Only vote for those who will support our true freedom (from homeland threats like corrupt CPS agents).
Stop Child exPloitation disService now!
Your neighborhood next?
PhookCPS | 3:58 a.m. June 25, 2008
I have 11 videos of CPS visiting my home and completely violating my 4th and
14th amendment rights, I have court documents showing they falsified medical
records, falsified a warrant, and i have recorded phone coversations where the
fbsS worker blatantly lied, as well as the fbss supervisor extorting me.
apparently, the constitution of the united states is worthless.
CPS is a state agency, which is bound by federal laws, however, cps seems to make their OWN laws.
CPS wishes to settle out of court with me, I prefer to make a precedence case in the supreme court, and smear them all over the news, then start a coalition to abolish this agency.
apparently, the constitution of the united states is worthless.
CPS is a state agency, which is bound by federal laws, however, cps seems to make their OWN laws.
CPS wishes to settle out of court with me, I prefer to make a precedence case in the supreme court, and smear them all over the news, then start a coalition to abolish this agency.
Why? | 8:39 a.m. June 26, 2008
Why are government agencies given immunity? Those who are in government
positions and who abuse the constitutional rights of others should be given a
greater punishment!
It looked like CPS decided what they saw at this ranch even before they went in there.
It looked like CPS decided what they saw at this ranch even before they went in there.
megansdad | 6:27 p.m. July 4, 2008
absolute power corrupts, absolutely
I fought and won, they have qualified immunity and can do whatever they want to anyone. Many of you will be subject to them as you argue with a teacher at school or disagree with a doctor on care. I soon found out that mandatory reporters are also given immunity. My children still fear them and we work every day to give them a stable life.
I fought and won, they have qualified immunity and can do whatever they want to anyone. Many of you will be subject to them as you argue with a teacher at school or disagree with a doctor on care. I soon found out that mandatory reporters are also given immunity. My children still fear them and we work every day to give them a stable life.
Harrison Mullins | 2:42 p.m. July 10, 2008
I think the cps and is the worst goverment orgnation known to man or woman I
think most of its employes on nothingmore or less than a bunch ol liers and
cheats.
LaVista Gossett | 10:25 p.m. Aug. 26, 2008
I'm on the other side of the spectrum. Because of complaints, I've had
children removed from my care. I've experienced first hand the abuse of
athority by CPS. Someone should hold them accountable for their actions.
Sandra | 6:48 a.m. Jan. 13, 2009
It is sad that cps can just walk in and distroy people lives like they do. Right
here in Brown County there are over 1600 chidren in foster care and 54% was put
there by one tripping cps worker. I would like to know if there is a way to stop
these cruel people from kidnapping children from their parents. Cps workers lie
to you and make false documents so they can do whatever they want to do. When
you go to court you dont even get to defend yourself but cps sure has a lawyer
sitting on thier side. These people are heartless and all they think about is
the money they get from it. They remove children because of allegation. Dont
even get to prove you are innocent. Cps will lie and get the cops to come to
your house and break in if you dont answer you door.The power tripping cps
worker has so much animosity against everyone. I would like to know how to stop
these evil people?
Before we drink | 7:16 a.m. Jan. 13, 2009
. . . the kool-aid with FLDS trolls, remember what this article was all about --
some of the workers called in by CPS as an emergency measure because of the
magnitude of the situation CPS encountered upon its entry into YFZ proved to be
less than stellar performers.
OK. We all agree that's bad. That is not to say, however, that CPS was wrong to intervene, or that the FLDS were not -- and are not -- abusing their kids by subjecting them to an oppressive and immoral lifestyle.
They are.
And the emergency was created, not by a false report, but by the dangerous and immoral leadership and lifestyle the FLDS still, for the most part, defend.
It's unfortunate that the FLDS children, the actual innocent victims of both the FLDS and those few incompetent CPS caregivers, are still largely unprotected.
OK. We all agree that's bad. That is not to say, however, that CPS was wrong to intervene, or that the FLDS were not -- and are not -- abusing their kids by subjecting them to an oppressive and immoral lifestyle.
They are.
And the emergency was created, not by a false report, but by the dangerous and immoral leadership and lifestyle the FLDS still, for the most part, defend.
It's unfortunate that the FLDS children, the actual innocent victims of both the FLDS and those few incompetent CPS caregivers, are still largely unprotected.
Anonymous | 4:34 p.m. Jan. 20, 2009
How shall we start a coalition to abolish the Child exPloitation disService
agencies?
I'm in.
I'm in.
Anonymous | 11:02 a.m. June 4, 2009
Cps is totally corrupt! Period!! There must be Due Process when you deprive
someone of their child or property!
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