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Ex-FLDS member exploring custody solutions

"So, you're saying that you would put your religion before your children?"

I see no provision for the handling/teaching of children in the First Amendment. If you see it, please point the way.

"Knowing that your religion does not allow them to make their own choices when they become old enough and mature enough to do so?"

Same answer as above. And where are you getting it that they don't/can't make their own decisions? That is, any more than any other religious adherent?

"This is becoming more interesting as it goes."

The US Constitution is a very interesting document.

"It's also very interesting to note the disconnected flavor of the posts like the one you address. It's almost like from folks outta touch or from: "compounds" writing and not quite "normal" in outlook."

For the record, these people are sick, in my judgment. But even sick people (you'll be happy to know) have the protection of the US Constitution.

Hey REminder,
What ever Warren did ...He never taught abuse. He may have been an abuser but he wanted to be the only one good enough to be allowed to do it. As for these children I think that the most abuse in there lives is happening right now. Thier mothers and fathers love and care for them more than most.
Most mothers go to work out of the home and send thier kids to daycare to be raised.
These kids have always had a parent to look after them. This is devestating to them, physicaly and mentally. If you have kids I hope the PCS comes and takes them away and then asks questions later.Don't you have any compasion at all for children.They don't want to help. If they realy had concern for the kids they would have taken the fathers and left the mothers and kids at the ranch. They could have moved in and educated them and gotto know them.The mothers were in no position to resist. Talk about terrorisim!!!!! Is this realy a free country???

I think the absolute BEST outcome of this Texas raid would be for the Supreme Court to decide unanimously that laws forbidding polygamy are unconstitutional.

What would happen then? Then we would see the LDS Church try to reinstate "The New and Everlasting Covenant of Marriage" (plural marriage), their memberships would drop by over 50% overnight, they would return to being the backward cult they were at the turn of the century, and they would be essentially indistinguishable from the FLDS!

Now THAT would be TEXAS JUSTICE!

To Samme,
I think the implication is that Jeffs wanted to breed a pure race. Eugenics and Nazi goals. However I am not sure if that is true, and I am not sure if anyone besides Jeffs knows what his goals were in sending people to Texas.

In my view raising my children in the ways of my religion is the best thing that I can do for them.
I suspect an FLDS person would argue the same, that they raise the children in a way that leads to salvation. I do not agree that it does, but believe that the governement should not rule on the merits of all parenting decisions. The ruling in Yoder holds that parents have the right to follow their religion even when this conflicts with what the state wants, even when the state argues it is in the best interest of the children.
My best understanding is that FLDS women tell their leaders that they feel they are ready for marriage. It does appear that in some cases this decision is made by others on behalf of the child, however what is not cear is that this is normally the case. Just because one girl felt she was forced into marriage does not mean that most feel the same way.

There is a great difference between creating a "great Race" and a "great and noble people." While I originally sided with CPS and the Texas authorities, after finding so much of their information false I have since switched teams, not to the FLDS side, but to the side of equal justice for all even if their beliefs are not mine and I do not like them.

I know Dr. Fischer. I know his Wife I knew his 2 other wives, I know his kids.

DUH! claims Dr. Fischer is still a polygamist. How do you know that??? I know otherwise. I have known him a very long time. I have been to his house many times. I remember years ago, when his 3rd wife left him to go back to Colorado City, AZ(FLDS HEADQUARTERS) because he was breaking free of the FLDS Church. I remember when He and his 2 remaining wives all agreed that they had to totally remove themselves and make the neccesary changes.
DUH! should shut up about things he knows nothing about.
Dan Fischer is a great man, and I have personally seen countless acts of charity he has done to help in this situation and many others that the media doesn't cover.

Thank you for proving the point of the poster to whom you responded. While Fischer might not currently be married to multiple women, he is still a polygamist. Two of his wives just left him. You do understand that is different from disavowing the practice, right? Alas, I don't think you do.

It is NOT a choice between supporting the FLDS or the children. That is a false contrast. It is about due process, constitutional guarantees and the RULE OF LAW. Unless a law has been broken, charges have been filed or there is immediate danger for a child, the STATE has no right to confiscate the neighbors kids when the man down the street abuses his children. Charges should be filed against perpetrators of child abuse in the FLDS community. charges should be filed for the practice of slavery when women and children are treated like property. Each defendant should have his/her day in court. CPS has violated too many constitutionally protected rights to count. These people should be given their kids back and the leaders who have created this underage bride scheme should be tried and convicted and sent away for life. Warren Jeffs is dispicable. A lot of the men supporting him are just as bad. Some of his detractors would say anything to see him get what he deserves...Even deny his followers due process. I believe CPS is our of control, and should not be trusted. Its time for the courts to uphold the constitution.

I did not "prove" DUH'S point, I refuted it. Dr. Fischer has disavowed the the FLDS church AND the practice of Polygamy. By his own admission, he WAS a polygamist, but he is not now.
How can you not understand the difference? You are suggesting "once a polygamist, always a polgamist" Using that flawed logic would mean "once married, always married" Ever heard of divorce??
The FLDS have their plural marriages(which are not legally accepted) , but they do also their "divorce" process to cancel the marriage prior to the woman being remarried to another man.
Both of you do not understand the situation at all. Sadly, that doesn't stop you from putting forth your ignorant opinions as fact.

John Lambert

Why are GIRLS getting married at all??????