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Ex-FLDS member exploring custody solutions

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Blind by Hate | 11:41 a.m. May 12, 2008

reading articles like this one and reading comments, like mine and you're is pointless. If you want to know the Truth and you don't yet it is your own fault now.

transplant | 11:43 a.m. May 12, 2008

to sammee: Yes they 'legally' marry one woman. However, Texas recognises common-law marriage as legal. Therefore if they fit the criteria of common-law marriage, they are married in Texas. That makes it polygamy. Here are the criteria:
(1) an agreement to be married; (2) cohabitation in Texas; and (3) representation to others that the parties are married

Samme | 11:43 a.m. May 12, 2008

**We need to remember that no one knows for sure which child belongs to which mother.**

BS. The mothers know.

**When they refused to cooperate with CPS regarding something as simple as names and birth dates.**

The CPS wanted that info to bring charges against them. One is not required to testify against oneself... or one's spouse.

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Where old Warren? | 11:44 a.m. May 12, 2008

Hey Sharon

"The FLDS are not committing religious adultery but only legal adultery. According to their religious beliefs they are spiritually married therefore are exempt from adultery."

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WOW - Another Koolaide drinker. Talk about goofy - Kook - uneducated....

Although, come to think of it, Utahns have gotten away with it so long, it does seem to be the State Sport.

But in Texas, Bigamy, Polygamy, Child Molestation, all of these are felonies.

Which brings up a good question... Why would Uncle Warren invest $gazillions (AKA the Arizona -Utah Welfare Bleed nest egg) in a state with such crazy people as those pesky Texans..?

Why, OHH LORD, Why? Did God do this so he might be spited?

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Enquiring minds want to know... !

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Interloper | 11:55 a.m. May 12, 2008

People really are getting ahead of the situation. Dan Fischer has not done anything yet. Furthermore, he is secretive about what his plans are. We will have to wait and see, what, if anything, happens.

Frankly, I am wary of former FLDS getting involved because I am doubtful how far the 'former' goes, and, suspect they still have some of the same problems - not recognizing girls and women as autonomous, racism, superstitions about vaccinations, the color red, education beyond junior high, etc. - that they did when they were FLDS.

Still about Abuse | 12:32 p.m. May 12, 2008

Rod Parker, the FLDS attorney, said that the records found in the search of the YFZ ranch showed that the "incidence of underage marriage is actually not very prevalent."

Their own attorney admits that there were underage marriages at the ranch, but dismisses them as not being that big of a problem.

I guess it would only be a big deal to him if it had happened to his daughter.

Make no mistake, the FLDS had only been in Texas for a short time; they were just getting started. It's a good thing that Texas rescued the kids before more of them could be abused.

Dr. Fischer is doing a good thing providing a safety net for the boys who have been tossed aside to keep the boy-to-girl ration in line with Warren Jeffs' master plan.

chemist | 12:35 p.m. May 12, 2008

Warren Jeffs is largely to blame for where the flds are now due to his ego/power trip. His followers are complicit in it since they followed his goofy edicts; letting him tell them where to live, what to wear, whether facial hair was OK or not, whether pets were allowed or not, who to marry, to whom wives and children of expelled members were to be assigned, where to send their children to school, etc, etc. As a result the flds lost the UEP, lost their children in Texas, Warren Jeffs lost his freedom. The sad and scary thing is that many of the flds still believe Warren's goofy edicts. He is a false prophet, he is a control freak, he is leading the flds from one disaster to another. To continue to follow him will lead to only more disasters. If his edicts are right why does he not follow them himself? When arrested he was wearing shorts!!, short sleeves and in a red Cadillac!! Someone else would have been expelled for that. The rules don't apply to him??

Common law | 12:42 p.m. May 12, 2008

According to the first common law test, the FLDS DO NOT hold themselves out to be married in the eyes of the public but only within the FLDS community. They have not sought out the recording of a common law marriage by the bureau of vital statistics either. In other words, no common law marriage was legally established nor desired so common law marriage is moot.

transplant | 12:55 p.m. May 12, 2008

Common law: No recording of a common-law marriage is required in Texas. They do present themselves as married. There is no provision for religious designated marriage that I know of.

To Where Old Warren/Sharon | 1:06 p.m. May 12, 2008

I am not a "kool aid" drinker, nor do I even live in Utah. Heck, I'm not even LDS, but agnostic. I still think TX is nuts! No marriage licenses were issued by the government of TX. No Common law marriages were reported for recording to the Bureau of Vital Statistics, so no bigamy or polygamy have been committed. There is no proof of child molestation or a warrant would have been issued. Do I hear crickets chirping on that one? Yes, I do. Allegations of child molestation bring about an emotional response for action, even if proven untrue. It is you that seem to have fallen for the kool-aid that CPS is handing out.
As for me, I am not uneducated but hold a master's degree even if you don't like my opinion and attempt strawman arguments to distract from the real issue at hand, namely that Texas acted egregiously to a large group of people because of religious bias.
Why did Jeffs pick Texas? Perhaps he actually thought Americans in Texas applied the Constitution to all its legal citizens. Clearly he was wrong and parents no longer tuck their children in bed at night. Want to be next?

Re: Common Law | 1:09 p.m. May 12, 2008

"the FLDS DO NOT hold themselves out to be married in the eyes of the public but only within the FLDS community."

A reasonable person would conclude that "others" as in "representation to others that the parties are married" would include members of the FLDS community.

The FLDS continue twisting themselves into pretzels trying to prove that they're not breaking the laws that they're breaking -- child abuse, polygamy, welfare fraud.

Multiple "spiritual marriages" = multiple "common law" marriages = polygamy.

Which is precisely why the FLDS refused to identify the parents of each of the children.

Now they're stuck between a rock and a hard place; they need identify whose children are whose, and in so doing, they'll be giving evidence of who is responsible for the child abuse resulting from underage marriages; and who is practicing polygamy.

Quite a mess Warren Jeffs has gotten them into.

Just a thought | 1:18 p.m. May 12, 2008

How many of you have grown up in an abusive, controling environment in constant fear of being hurt more? How many of you have given birth to your fathers child? How many of you were in an abusive marrage for years, to afraid to get out? These girls stick together through tramabond. Some that leave go back because they can't function in society. After 20 years, foster homes and therapy and support, I still fear my abuser and still can't fully function in society. It took me 4 years in DCFS custady to even start talking. And think of the little boys. They grow up seeing this as a normal way of life. Learning to control and abuse and manipulate women from a very small age. Don't bash the innocent. Don't bash those trying to help. Unless you are directly involved, making choices that will change lives forever, your words are empty. This isn't about past profits or what church is right or wrong. This is about one man who over used his power an abuse. This is about stopping this way of living and thinking now. Be part of the solution, not the problem.

Common Law | 1:37 p.m. May 12, 2008

"Others" include the Bureau of Vital statistics which the FLDS DID NOT hold themselves out to as married. One is "fishing" when one forces the term "married" to two people that agree they are not legally married. It applies if at least ONE person holds themselves as married even. Again, they do not hold themselves out as legally married, so are exempt based on rule one of common law marriage.

There has been NO suggestion that ANY daughter has given birth to her father's child. CPS does not even make such a claim. That is libel. There is no evidence of physical abuse. In fact, the rate of broken bones among FLDS children is LOWER than the average population and certainly lower than in my own house which is currently at 40%. I hate gymnastics, but my daughter loves it broken bones and all.
Even if you are abused, which is unfortunate and I honestly wish you received better, let us keep perspective. You did not profess to be FLDS, so clearly this further shows that ALL homes may contain abuse and that you do not target people based on belief but on evidence.

Warren lost and found | 1:51 p.m. May 12, 2008

Koolaide drinking agnostic

You think TX is nuts..? OK, I would like to see how you wrapped your brain around that one.

Lessee- Warren gets life in Prison, his favorite peoples children are farmed out to safer homes, and his Temple is a Ghost Ship in the bush.

Wouldnt you agree that Warren is the nut case here?

He certainly is the captain of the poor ship FLDS, which is shipwrecked in TX.

Texas, THANK GOD, is not going to allow the continuing child molestation that UT and AZ have.

I guess its not the FLDS, nor the LDS, brightest day.

Especially when those crickets quit chirping and they find out the DNA tells some very telling tales and the prison cells start filling up.

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Be Patient | 1:57 p.m. May 12, 2008

To Common Law: Be patient or be very afraid, the evidence is coming that will prove the child abuse and who is responsible.

The FLDS won't be able to hide behind their religious beliefs in breaking the law much longer. They've done a good job of researching all of the laws against polygamy and child abuse, and seem to have all the answers on how to do both without getting caught.

Their house of cards is about to come crashing down and now that they're powerless to stop it, they're mounting a massive PR campaign to try to get the public to believe that this is simply religious persecution.

transplant | 1:58 p.m. May 12, 2008

Common law: Whistling in the dark doesn't change anything. It may help to abate your fear. It does not exempt you from the law in Texas. They do not have to hold themselves out as legally married. Just married.

Re: Warren lost and found | 2:09 p.m. May 12, 2008

"I guess its not the FLDS, nor the LDS, brightest day."

The LDS are no more responsible for the FLDS than the Catholics or Baptists are. The handful of men who started the FLDS church were excommunicated from the LDS church a century ago and the FLDS beliefs and practices are strictly their own.

And, Utah and Arizona have been prosecuting child abuse which is why Warren Jeffs has already been convicted in Utah and is facing additional charges in Arizona. Much of the information that Texas officials have about the FLDS members was provided to Texas by Utah and Arizona officials.

Get over yourself Tex, the FLDS fled to Texas because of the legal heat they were getting in Utah and Arizona.

Billy Bob Williams | 2:09 p.m. May 12, 2008

Its appalling what TX has done. Utter disregard for the rights of the people whose rights they are supposed to be protecting.

Be Patient says: | 2:28 p.m. May 12, 2008

"Their house of cards is about to come crashing down and now that they're powerless to stop it, they're mounting a massive PR campaign to try to get the public to believe that this is simply religious persecution."
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It's been interesting watching the FLDS propaganda machine revv up. Their messages here for instance have gone from outlandishly outta touch and foolish to outlandishly outta touch and foolish if you know what I mean. Seriously though, the PR campaign is relentless -- they obviously think they can create another Short Creek. They can't. Let the cards crash ...

chemist | 2:31 p.m. May 12, 2008

I agree that Warren Jeffs and the flds are now in a new world where they cannot control their own destiny. Flds and their apologists have been posting things on these boards since Warren was a fugitive. The only thing that has changed is more and more disaster on their heads. The good ship flds captained by Warren is rapidly taking on water while the winds are rising. I do feel sorry for the children who were/are on board. Have little sympathy for the adults who did not leap off as Warren's edicts became more and more controlling and goofy. I fear that some of the adults may face some jail time, loss of children for an extended period, close supervision by CPS if/when they get their children back. I fully support Texas in removing children from a potentially abusive situation. Have any Canadian parents shown up to claim their daughters who were at YFZ?

Hey transplant | 2:35 p.m. May 12, 2008

Let's start knocking on all doors in TX and ask neighbors if their legally unwed neighbors ever called themselves husband or wife. If they acknowledge that they heard such, we hand them a marriage license. It's dumb application of the law and the very reason many common law states removed the law from their books. Texas is just behind the times...as usual. Again the issue remains, have the FLDS requested the Bureau of vital statistics to consider them lawfully married? They have not, so it is a non-issue per the law since you cannot force people to marry as you would suggest.

Bruce | 2:58 p.m. May 12, 2008

As much as I hate to see the parents and children go through this trial by public opinion, this case will probably be the straw that breaks the polygamy law camels back.
If CPS had a charge that they could file, without manufacturing one, they already would have. They are grasping for straws.
I'm not FLDS, never even thought about it really, but certainly have new-found respect for these people.

Knocking Doors | 3:01 p.m. May 12, 2008

"Let's start knocking on all doors in TX and ask neighbors if their legally unwed neighbors ever called themselves husband or wife."

Weak strawman.

The house of cards that Uncle Warren built is about to collapse. Eventually, some brave ex-FLDS father who has been forced to "repent from a distance" is going to sue the FLDS for illegally stealing his family.

It's only a matter of time before the code of silence is broken and the FLDS people decide to throw off this yoke of bondage.

All of the incest, the polygamy, the child abuse (both girls and boys), the welfare fraud, the false imprisonment, will all be exposed -- by FLDS who finally become disgusted with all of the lies they've been fed their whole life.

To Be Patient says | 3:06 p.m. May 12, 2008

You have just said what I have been thinking about all day. I think that the media blitz that the FLDS people started when the women returned to the ranch, was an attempt to garner public sympathy for them the same way that the pics in the paper did for them at the Short Creek raid. In my humble opinion, it has backfired. This is a different generation now, Thank God. Due to internet access, etc., people are not so gullible when it comes to child abuse, pediophilia, etc. We are a much more enlightened society than people were in 1953.

RE Knocking doors | 3:28 p.m. May 12, 2008

Suggesting that all doors in TX is a valid argument since it is not the FLDS individuals wishing to be considered married BUT THE STATE desiring them to be considered married multiple times. It's a bass ackwards argument.

Much of the other points you made have already been proven false and acknowledged by the state of TEXAS itself. There is NO welfare fraud among the TX FLDS since NONE receive welfare. There are NO cases of child abuse and actually the FLDS have LOWER rates of broken bones than that of the average population. While incest may be occurring, you punish the individuals and not the ENTIRE community. But be aware that incest laws have been historically fluid and not as inelastic as you are wont to believe. You might also want to check incest laws based on state. The only false imprisonment seems to be at the hands of the CPS. It seems that nobody has "bolted" from the FLDS. While 6 women orginally went to a "safe house" they immediately left.
Not FLDS and thankfully agnostic in Atlant.

Samme | 3:30 p.m. May 12, 2008

"Their own attorney admits that there were underage marriages at the ranch, but dismisses them as not being that big of a problem."

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"Underage" Marriages seemed to be OK with Texas before 2005 when they changed the law from 14 to 16 years old.

J-Man | 3:36 p.m. May 12, 2008

Let's get this straight, the only reason that polygamy is as rampant as it is in Utah and Arizona is because those states have allowed it to be, especially Utah.

It amazes me that the FLDS are ranting and raving on this site that Texas has done the unthinkable by taking away their children, when in fact that is exactly what Uncle Warren has been doing for years in Colorado City by funneling their young women to British Columbia and Texas. And by exiling the fathers of families to repent from afar.

Lastly, WHERE IS THE ACTING FLDS PROPHET, MERRIL JESSOP HIDING AT???? AND WHY HASN'T HE HELD A PRESS CONFERENCE TO DENY ANY OF THESE CHARGES?

chemist | 3:58 p.m. May 12, 2008

J-Man: good question. Where is Merril Jessop hiding? Why is he hiding? What is he hiding? Who ishe hiding from? My impression is that no one is really in charge. All of the arm chair lawyering and legal theories posted by flds supporters are so much hot air. Warren is still in jail, Texas still has the children and few fathers came forth to claim children. Six months from nothing will have changed. I suspect the donations/offerings/tithes of the flds will have to go way up to support the lawyer bills and the travel expenses of the women who are scattered across Texas trying to visit their children.

Re: Samme | 4:00 p.m. May 12, 2008

"Forced" and "used to be" are the keys to why your argument is false.

Laws | 4:23 p.m. May 12, 2008

Laws created to exclude religious groups can be ruled unconstitutional. So, there is legal importance to the change from 14 to age 16 as it relates to the issue at hand. So, "used to be" can be challenged as is not "false" just because it hasn't been challenged. Again, when it is changed because of a religion, you have a legal issue.
There is nothing to suggest that any of the FLDS marriages were "forced." To state so without evidence is libel.

Geez, do you people not know any attorneys? Much is simple law.

Fathers child | 4:38 p.m. May 12, 2008

You obviously missed the big hint in my comment. I was taken from my family because of this exact thing. I was the only one that thought something had to be wrong. My dad was one of those you all are talking about that was X comunicated from the church. DCFS does have evidence of sexual and emotional abuse, they just don't have to share that information with you. It took my family moving from Utah to Nebraska for me to get anyone to pick up on my hints that something was wrong. Since then, the kids don't go to public schools and are not aloud to speak to outsiders. There are lots of ways to severly abuse someone without leaving marks or broken bones. I am telling you, there is way more here than the public eye can see. As a once insider who got out young, know that we are relieved DCFS is getting involved and exposure is happening. Knocking doors at 3:01 says it in the last paragraph. It is your support or lack there of that will make a difference in these young peoples lives. TRUST ME, I've lived it.

Hey J-Man...it's interesting | 4:49 p.m. May 12, 2008

You have been asking about Merrill for days...still no response. Same ole tap dancing around. Do ya think that maybe some of these FLDSers even have a clue where he is? I'm betting Mexico. Or better yet, there have been rumors about tunnels under the Ponderosa since they moved down there. One rumor even said that they had purchased more rebar than what was used in the Astrodome in Houston. Considering that they have a concrete plant, who knows??? Maybe Merrill is a tunnel rat by now.

transplant | 4:50 p.m. May 12, 2008

common-law: In Texas it is an issue. That is my point. It may be backwards in your opinion however at this point and time IT IS THE LAW. Perhaps some one who has had to go to divorce court after being in a common-law marriage in Texas can help you understand. It's not a matter of being forced it is a matter of meeting the criteria of the state of Texas as to what constitues a common-law marriage which some of these folks have done. You're not in Kansas anymore Dorothy.

wrz | 5:40 p.m. May 12, 2008

"Since then, the kids don't go to public schools and are not aloud to speak to outsiders."

I know what you mean. I tell my kids to not talk to strangers either. Especially "aloud."

Dads Don't Matter? Sokel | 5:59 p.m. May 12, 2008

As always, the politically correct dentist peddler has no regard for fathers. I am sure he means, dad's
do not matter. Who cares about them? Wait, isn't
that the prevailing view of American Family Court, unless of course there is child support to pay.

cathy | 6:20 p.m. May 12, 2008

I think he might want to help himself gain ownership of the Ranch. I heard on another thread that the lost boys situation was not what it seemed and that the lost boys were living in property he owned and paying him rent.

To: Laws | 7:09 p.m. May 12, 2008

"There is nothing to suggest that any of the FLDS marriages were "forced." To state so without evidence is libel."

Nothing to suggest? ... whew. These FLDSers are really more deluded than I thought.

Go ahead a sue for libel ...

A Pickle for FLDS | 8:00 p.m. May 12, 2008

I heard Willie Jessop today saying that the underage girls had their parents permission to wed, which could be legal in some cases. If they in fact were legally married, I'm sure the girls weren't given the choice: would you like to marry your uncle or go to college? According to witnesses the choice was more likely: would you like to marry your uncle or burn in everlasting hell? If they weren't legally married...statuatory rape is the appropriate response.

SEND THE CHILDREN HOME | 9:43 p.m. May 12, 2008

The children need to be sent back to their parents NOW

Joy | 11:01 p.m. May 12, 2008

Well, if their parents would come forward and prove they are their children by DNA or other means required of any parent they might stand a better chance.
Don't you think?
I mean I could go and say oh that child is mine, give it to me. Or you could go up to my child and say, oh that child is mine.
How do you propose to give which child to whom?

To: SEND THE CHILDREN HOME | 11:05 p.m. May 12, 2008

You mean to their real parents in Colorado City or Canada or,,,,

duh !!! | 11:12 p.m. May 12, 2008

Dan Fisher is a polyigamist himself. just because he does nice things for others he has lots and lots of wives and lots of children.... dont kidd yourself he still practices it. he is just rich so it gets over looked. we all should not ever judge one group of people anyway race or religion or nut bags. this is america we can be free to prqctice our relegion any way we want. dont judge the flds or the mormons every one is wacky when they are over zealous in anything. look at the jazz fans crazy too!!!

I posted | 7:07 a.m. May 13, 2008

I posted law and am NOT FLDS, but agnostic in Atlanta. Again, there is nothing to suggest forced marriages in Texas and again, to state so is libel. Do the FLDS participate in arranged marriages? Yes, but so too do many many other people in the U.S. with lower divorce rates. Arranged is not forced. Do some, not all, marry young to go on and have children? Yes, but in my city the difference is that the FLDS marry spiritually BEFORE getting pregnant while in Atl girls get pregnant and don't marry but are both abandoned by the father. So what is the real issue and why are we targeting those freaky FLDS? It seems that our society is a mess, so rather than deal with our own issues we point fingers at people we universally hate even if much of the information is false and based only on rumor. The problem with the finger pointing is that for every person that points, there are three fingers pointing back at you.
CPS problems Women age 22 - 28, with drivers licenses and birth certificates verifying such, listed as 15. Broken bones at a lower rate than average and on.

RE Joy | 7:18 a.m. May 13, 2008

The parents presented birth certificates, and in some cases drivers licenses some from Utah and some from Texas. CPS decided the information was not valid. That is why the governor of Utah was involved by the FLDS. The FLDS want the governor to validate the information. FLDS present a drivers license from Texas and a birth certificate of a woman 22 with CPS refusing to acknowledge the information instead listing her as 15. With that in mind, how exactly can a citizen of the U.S. prove anything. That is just one of the many many problems of this case and why I flipped from anti-FLDS to anti-CPS and Texas.
You also write about DNA testing. To prove parenting, you only need 1 parent. Here in Georgia lots of women raise their children without benefit of any male in the home, with some having no knowledge of paternity. So testing paternity, while salacious, is not necessary. As I have repeated over and over again, standard application of the law not manipulation of the law should be applied. Unless, you willingly submit to the same treatment in your own life. "Get out of the car ma'am. I've decided your license isn't valid."

bad parents | 10:18 a.m. May 13, 2008

Attention FLDS (and supporters) - It is painfully obvious that you people care more for your religion than you do for your children. If the child doesnï¿½t do exactly as required by your extremely strict religion, they are kicked out. And not just kicked out ï¿½ they are banished from every having a relationship with you ï¿½ ever. That shows a total disregard for your childrenï¿½s well being.
So stop with the sympathy attempts. We believe you to be hapless sheep following a crazy ï¿½prophetï¿½sï¿½ directives and caring much more about yourselves than you do about your children. Otherwise you wouldnï¿½t choose your religion over your own children, which you do every time you let the ï¿½prophetï¿½ determine your childï¿½s fate and banish your own children from your lives. And if you really cared about your children, you would give them the tools needed to survive in the real world instead of trying to imprison them in your little group. Ignoring child brides, abuse, etc ï¿½ you are simply not good parents as you do not let your children become their own person. Texas is being kinder to your children than you could possibly understand.

wrz | 11:10 a.m. May 13, 2008

"How do you propose to give which child to whom?"

What you do is take all the mothers and all the children back to their ranch in buses (Baptist owned) and let them off. In less than an ten minutes time the mothers will find their children. End of story.

To bad parents | 11:30 a.m. May 13, 2008

I agree with you...they do care more about their so called religion and trying to justify why they do the things that they do. I wonder if their "concern" is actually because they care so much for their kids or if it is because they are missing their little workers?

Their construction business may be hurting because some of their slave laborers are in state custody.

I also agree with your statement "Texas is being kinder to your children than you could possibly understand". I think that may be part of the problem. Their children may get a glimpse of life outside of the compound.

Sam the Man | 12:02 p.m. May 13, 2008

"Attention FLDS (and supporters) - It is painfully obvious that you people care more for your religion than you do for your children."

Check the Bill of Rights to the US Constitution. It is not painful and quit obvious that that document puts freedom of religion above care and keeping of children.

Anonymous to Sam the Man | 12:19 p.m. May 13, 2008

So, you're saying that you would put your religion before your children? Knowing that your religion does not allow them to make their own choices when they become old enough and mature enough to do so? This is becoming more interesting as it goes.

To: Anonymous to Sam the Man | 12:38 p.m. May 13, 2008

It's interesting to stand back abit and watch the FLDS propaganda machine make course corrections as they rev up their efforts to create another Short Creek (they can't). These efforts are obviously being directed behind the scenes by "someone(s)". Like the accusation of "libel" in messages here and at the trib recently. These course corrections are in unison and I suspect amongst far fewer posters than the machine pretends ...

It's also very interesting to note the disconnected flavor of the posts like the one you address. It's almost like from folks outta touch or from: "compounds" writing and not quite "normal" in outlook.

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