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Disney puts a crimp in BYU tour
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They truly were great ambassadors for BYU, the LDS church and also for the USA.
A story that you won't read about is how some in the troupe learned that a young down syndrome girl in the audience was there on her birthday. After the concert finished, the entire group found her and all began singing 'Happy Birthday' to her. Way to make someone feel SPECIAL!! Well done.
If anyone named Disney was still there this wouldn't be happening, in fact it would be considered a compliment and an asset to have the BYU featuring anything Disney. Sounds as if anyone can play their music in any place and by anyone if they come up with the fee. Too bad. so sad, apparently they've gone "Hollywood".
My kids (although still small) have never been to Disneyland, never seen 95% of the Disney movies, and don't own any Disney products. I don't want them to grow up hooked on an organization that is really nothing more than a corporation.
You obviously didn't read the whole article. BYU has licenses including blanket license for which they felt these 3 numbers fell under. The actions by Disney is either to clarify what exactly the interpretation is or they are ignorant of the agreements already in place. No big deal. No incompetance. No waste of church resources. Hint, I have found that focusing on the details of a news piece really averts unfounded emotional reactions that the writers expertly use to draw interest.
Really?!?!?
So do you grow your own produce? Farm your own meat? Not watch ANY TV? Build your own car? Sew your own clothes? Own your own bank? Build your own toys for your kids? etc., etc.
Dude, they're already hooked on those evil corperations. But good stand on Disney.
The rights to the music belong to Disney. If BYU screwed up on getting the license agreements in place, BYU is the one who should pay the consequence, and certainly not Disney.
For an organization whose "bread and butter" is the performance of copyrighted material, what's so hard about having something like this straightened out very early on?
Reminds me of the "gee, a little more research/ legal analysis would have been nice" hole that was dug before the Main Street/Plaza lawsuits. Had somebody bothered to research whether a thoroughfare previously "public," which remains open for public use after being put in private hands carries with it First Amendment protections, a lot of trouble could have been avoided.
In this situation, the blanket license agreement in question either covers the production of the numbers in question or it doesn't.
Shouldn't somebody have known that months ago?
And how many of you understand anything about the Law? Just because BYU "thought" these songs fell under their blanket license sure doesn't mean that it did. I defend Disney 100% and their rights to their songs. The BYU Ambassadors need to a lesson on the real world. Simply clarifying the purpose of the BYU Ambassadors will not change the mind of Disney. Disney is a business. Always was. And any smart business actually uses copyrights. Do not slam Disney and its employees. You are ignorant and uneducated if if you do.
Disney is actually a very nice company. Nice enough not to sue the pants off of BYU. Get out of your "but we're really nice" bubble and step into the real world: Go pay for a license to use Disney songs. It's not that hard to do.
To people who criticize Disney: that is like walking into a store and just taking taking anything because you want it, and saying, "No need to pay, I'm from BYU." This is ludicrous. Pay for it!
Your comment is excellent!! Great words, except for the whole "NEO-CON" hasty generalization!! The so called "NEO-CONS" aren't the ones causing the fuss, slick! It's the NEO-NUGGETS who do NOT understand capitalism, NOT the "NEO-CONS," and the "NEO-NUGGETS", aka bubbled goons, that blame Disney for running their organization like a business are to blame ma ma mayn!!!
It is interesting to note however, that the roadshows and dance festivals around the church have long intructed the planners to avoid using Disney songs and characters. Seems like BYU missed this memo.
But Dean is dead wrong about one thing. The songs were not performed in public, so Disney had no standing to sue. What they did was as much as they could do, and BYU responded properly.
There are very fine legal distinctions between singing these songs in a choral situation and performing the songs with dance and costume, but not exactly performing the script of the play. In actuality, BYU and Disney BOTH have good arguments.
Disney Pro: Yes, Disney has the right to defend their intellectual property, but comparing it to the LDS Church battle with FLDS is quite different. No body would question that there would be a problem with a theme park using the title Fdisneyland or Disneeland.
The songs were not performed in public? This is a performance group weren't talking about here. Where do you think they performed the songs? In a closet where no one saw them? An audience counts as "public." The group doesn't have to be performing on the sidewalk.
BYU can't be that upset. It IS Disney we're talking about.
The problem with this whole thing is that BYU should have looked into the paperwork more to double check they had everything set way before production. But they didn't know. So what. They fixed it and everything is better. Disney did the right thing and BYU did all they knew they needed to. Everything is fixed now and no one needs to continue arguing about who is right and who is wrong or how rude Disney is or how arrogant BYU is.
However, it does seem that BYU has standing agreements for these productions, and since I have seen them perform songs from "Fiddler on the Roof" which is latter than Mary Poppins I do think this was a bit overbearing.
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BYU thought it was covered and it wasn't. They tried to make a case for themselves with Disney and Disney didn't buy-it. That's okay.
Disney didn't accuse BYU of stealing anything. Nor did BYU make unkind accusasions toward Disney. I read the whole article. Didn't you???
The only unkind things said about Disney and BYU stealing music came in the posts following the article. Right???
The posts on this story remind me of any BYU sports article where there are remarks made by those who like and enjoy BYU as a whole and those who are the haters.
Note I said the 'Hater's".
Hi there my little BYU haters. Once a haater, always a hater, right?
It's too bad that some of the songs weren't included. I'm sure the kids who would have performed them were disappointed. But life and the tour went forward.
My ax to grind is with the BYU Hater's and Church Hater's in general. It is sad that chumps andlegalist like yourself populate the planet.
The end is coming for all bad people. Hater's lead the way in this. Poor, poor hater's. The end is near!!!
You, yourself, state, "It is sad that chumps and legalists like yourself populate the planet." Sounds just a tad "hateful" doesn't it?
And what "end is near"? Are we referring to the end of time or the end of hate?
Maybe, I'm wrong, but it just doesn't seem like you're doing much to help end the hating. But at least you've had a chance to vent, and sometimes I guess that's what we really want and need.
Don't you just "hate" anyone who disagrees with you? Don't you "hate" people who say negative things about BYU or the Church? Don't you "hate" people who see things differently? It's totally annoying!!!
I especially "hate" those who insist on using logic and reason instead of relying on "faith" like we're always supposed to? Don't you?
But you're absolutely right. "The end is near!!!" Poor, poor haters.
I can see many shades of gray, but that takes a little more intellectual exertion.
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We met with them over a computer project one time.
The first thing they said in the meeting, in Utah, at our site, was that anything mused, though outloud basically anything spoken was theirs. It would belong to them.
We showed them the door.
Arrogant jerks...
They really were full of themselves.
The funny thing is that these individuals weren't "disney" other then working for them. I'm sure the founders and original folks were easier to work with.
I say this because we used to get Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak at our site a lot. The ironic thing is that he was there for a disney project to do some R&D with us.
One of the brightest and nicest guys around. A pleasure to deal with.