Re: DeltaFoxtrot | 4:12 p.m. Feb. 10, 2012 "Millions of people in
this state have porn on their computers, it does not make them evil"The 2010 census put Utah's population at 2,763,885. An no, the vast
majority of Utahns are decent people who shun porn like the plague it is.
Having been raised LDS, Josh definitely knew the difference between right and
wrong. If he was, himself, abused, it would have led to complex and horrible
internal turmoil, none of which are excusable for his actions. But it is
possible the original guilt is to be laid on his father, Steven Powell. Unless
he is struck by an urge for redemption and admits his part in this tragedy, only
God will know the full story. My heart goes out to the Cox family
and to the Graves family for the sad and horrible tragedy that has taken place.
But they can be comforted in knowing that Susan nor the boys are suffering any
longer and they will see them again. Let God judge Josh, he will have to answer
for his actions. As will Steve.
Remembering that opinion is not fact, here is what I surmise: - Steve
Powell abused his son, Josh Powell, as a child - Josh and Susan moved to
Utah, where his sister Jennifer states he seemed to be "improving" -
obviously there had been a problem he was trying to overcome. - If abused
by his father, Josh had long lasting effects that he still dealt with. Among
these were images of incest on his own computer. - Susan was aware and
it created marital problems which led to whatever happened the night of her
disappearance. - He subsequently moved to WA with his boys and in with
his father. - In Aug his father was arrested with child porn images on his
computer and charges of voyerism. His ex-wife, Josh's mother, had known about
his struggles with pornography and it contributed to their divorce. - The
boys were taken and placed with Susan's parents - Memories began to
surface from the boys which could implicate Josh in Susan's disappearance
- Due to the release of the images on his own computer, Josh was ordered by the
WA judge to undergo a psychosexual evaluation AND a probable polygraph test - Josh realized that authorities had enough information that could implicate
him as 1) possibly molesting his own children or his awareness that his own
father may have done so, 2) motive for Susan's disappearance. A subsequent eval
and polygraph could prove his guilt. - Josh committed suicide/double
murder 1) so that he would not have to admit his own wrongdoing(s), 2) admit
what may have happened to him as a child, 3) have his own children implicate
him, 4) so as not to have his boys taken from him AND have them placed with
either the Cox family or his own sister, Jennifer's family.
Forgive me for saying this, could their have been incest issues in Steve
Powell's family? Why does his adult daughter live there?
I have to remind people that pornography is LEGAL and that Utah is the capital
of digital porn. Millions of people in this state have porn on their computers,
it does not make them evil.Until the Thought Police start cracking
down on peoples' imaginations computer generated drawings are also LEGAL.Again, the police had absolutely nothing concrete they could hold Josh
Powell on, which is why he wasn't behind bars. Be disgusted with it all you
want... it wasn't against the law.
Several months ago, when the pornography issue arose, Josh Powell commented that
he only had "legal porn". I guess we know now what that was. I'm
stunned, and disgusted, that something pornographic in nature and
"accurate' is legal only because does not involve real people. As for
things being "over" 3, probably 4 lives are over but the lessons to
be learned are many. If you don't want to read it or watch it, you may choose
to do so.
The images were they wanted the evaluation. They need to do due diligence to
take away parental rights.
You're talking about a computer owned by Josh Powell AND Susan Powell correct?
The images were on a computer seized TWO YEARS AGO! Where has the WV Police been
in all this time? I have the feeling we have the Keystone Cops or worse running
around there. Someone needs to ask Buzz Nielson some serious questions about how
they mishandled this case and allowed this kind of an end to these children.
Seems they were afraid of Powell or inept or both.
Enough with the if only's. If they worried he was going to do
something physically inappropriate but not fatal and they were not ready to
terminate rights the boys were just as safe in a house with a supervised visit
as in public. The harm he inflicted had nothing to so with the images on his
computer. They suggested awful harm but not mortal danger. I do
wonder if the dad was also abused in childhood?
Pagan,Finding incestuous images on his own computer is hardly here
say. Especially given the fact that his wife is missing, and his father is in
jail for child pornography that he had while Josh and the boys were living with
him. The simple fact that Josh was even allowed to see his boys without seeing
iron bars between himself and them is amazing. And now, what do we have to show
for it? But you're right, Pagan, let's forget about it, the same way
you seem to forget what the constitution means on all of your political posts.
DeltaFoxtrot,How can you say that we should drop it? It is our
responsibility as citizens and neighbors to make sure something like this
doesn't ever happen again. Shame on you for wanting to bury the past. We need to
learn from our mistakes.It was a massive oversight to not allow the
attorney to see the images. Especially given that a psycho-sexual evaluation had
been ordered. It seems to me that the interest of the children was far from the
first thing on the minds of those in control of the situation. The children
needed to be taken care of, instead, funerals are being planned. The WVC-PD is
going to have to answer a lot of questions, and for good reason. Let's make sure
that these deaths were not in vain. Let's make sure that nothing like this ever
Re: DeltaFoxtrot | 12:24 p.m. Feb. 10, 2012 "Can we please let this
entire story line drop?"We need to remember this story so
history doesn't have to repeat itself in the future. The second they found
incestuous porn on the Josh's computer the court should have given full custody
to the grandparents.
Delta Foxtrot, you must be kidding. As though nothing that will be learned
after his death will be invaluable to the agencies involved? As though no
future lives may be saved by avoiding similar errors? Nobody is forcing you to
click on any future news stories involving Powell. Short-sighted is the word
for your attitude.
I agree. Let this go. The state could have done no more
in this case... unless we want to start taking children away from
ANYONE, based on heresay.
From the published record, it seems like the West Valley City Police Department
is now going to have to start answering even more difficult questions.
The man is DEAD.Can we please let this entire story line drop? It is over, finished, let it end.