Dutchman"I have even offered to fully accept BYU's football
championship of 1984 to every BYU fan I know in return for them to accept Utah's
1944 Championship"Your entire premise is misguided. It really
doesn't matter whether BYU and Utah fans "accept" anything, the fact
are:BYU won a Concensus Major College Football National Championship
1984 - BYU has the trophies and the acknowledgements from all five major
national organizations to prove it.Utah didn't win a national
championship in basketball in 1944 - the ONLY trophy Utah has is the NCAA
tournament championship trophy.
Dutchman"By doing this the PAC 12 officially recognizes Utah's
1944 NCAA National Men's Basketball Championship. To bad so many BYU fans can
never bring themselves to do the same."Get over your PAC 12
arrogance. No individual conference has the authority to award a national
championship, much less a conference that wasn't even founded until FIFTEEN
years after the championship in question - July 1, 1959.Why should
BYU fans, or anybody else for that matter, recognize the Utes for winning
anything more than the NCAA tournament championship?From 1939, when
the NCAA Tournament started, the Helms Foundation and NCAA Division I champions
were the same, EXCEPT for 1939-40-44-54 when Oregon, Indiana, Utah, and La Salle
respectively won the tournament.In 1944, Army (15-0) was chosen as
the national champion.
By doing this the PAC 12 officially recognizes Utah's 1944 NCAA National Men's
Basketball Championship. To bad so many BYU fans can never bring themselves to
do the same. This is a festering issue with many at BYU. I have even offered
to fully accept BYU's football championship of 1984 to every BYU fan I know in
return for them to accept Utah's 1944 Championship to no avail. Way to go PAC
12! I love this conference.BTW, Billy "The Hill" McGill
day is February 24th. Mark it on your calendars Ute fans and celebrate the day
Billy scored 60 points on BYU in Provo.
Sorry to burst your crimson bubble, but "undisputed" national
champions don't lose pickup games to the likes ofFort Warren L
59-61Salt Lake Air Base L 39-54Dow Chemical L 36-46and
they certainly don't get beaten soundly in the opening round of the NITKentucky L 38-46It's no wonder Utah 1944 was one of the few teams
to win the NCAA tournament and NOT be named national champions by the Helms
Bleed CrimsonSince when is the PAC 12 in the business of awarding
national championships? The Helms Foundation, the only national
organization in the business of selecting a national champion in 1944, selected
undefeated Army as the national champion.The Utes LOST in the
opening round of the NIT, which even the Utes recognized as the more prestigious
tournament since they turned down their invitation to the NCAA to play in the
NIT.The EXHIBITION charity fund raiser played between the NCAA and
NIT champions after the season isn't even recognized as an official game.BYU won their CONCENSUS national championship in exactly the same every
other national champion has been selected since the AP poll was started in 1936,
by finishing #1 in the final poll.
It's pretty clear people don't care for actual sports commentary, just
belittling others. Great work. Thanks CougarNate for breaking the norm with
something topical and genuine. To answer the question many have remarked on the
subject, the Hall awarded one individual from each member school. Burnette
Haldorson also never played in the Pac, and Kurt Nimphius spent most of his
career in a different conference. It's a big credit to Arnie Ferrin to be named,
and his individual efforts are something any Ute can be proud to be associated
@ Swoopy"pac10pa2ie"What are you a 3rd
grader?"Utah's men have never won a national championship
without the help of the Utah women and Utah's johnny-come-lately football team
has never had a single player good enough to win a national individual
award".Not true! Utah won the 1981 men's skiing National
Championship and Utah has won the 1944 basketball National Championship. (Yes,
the Pac-12 recognizes it as a National Championship) The Utes won the NCAA
Tournament and beat the NIT Champion (St. John's) 3 days later in Madison Square
Garden for the undisputed National Championship. Utah was nicknamed the
"Cinderella Team" in 1944 for that reason. "btw,
some of the greatest basketball players ever, played in the WCC".So does the Pac-12! BTW, BYU did not "win" the National
Championship in football in 1984. They were voted it! Everyone in the College
Football world knows it!Winning a true National Championship can
only come from a playoff and college football does not have one. They vote their
National Champions, end of story!
Arnie Ferrin was a great basketball player. I come from a long line of BYU fans
and my grandpa, who was a huge Cougar fan said that Arnie was one of the best
players he had ever seen. I find it strange that the Pac 12 did this, but it is
there Hall of Fame and Mr. Ferrin deserves any accolades he gets. I am
disappointed in my fellow Cougar fans, who would rip on Mr. Ferrin. Go Cougs.
The PAC 12 has to do something to help the Utes feel like they're one of the big
boys; their basketball team certainly isn't doing that.
Unfortunately for U, pac10pa2ie, Utah's men have never won a national
championship without the help of the Utah women and Utah's johnny-come-lately
football team has never had a single player good enough to win a national
individual award.btw, some of the greatest basketball players ever,
played in the WCC.Nobody has sunk farther, GoRed, than that sinking
ship on the hill.
Well said, PAC 12 loves U. Utah is now part of the most successful collegiate
athletic conference in the country. The PAC 12 has the championships to back up
that claim. And from what I've read and heard, Ferrin was truly a great athlete
and a class act.As a side note, it's sad to see how far some fans of
our former rivals have sunk to.
@ Snack PAC"Arnie Ferrin helped put Utah basketball on the map,
but the PAC 12 is simply grasping at straws trying to make Utah feel relevant in
the PAC 12".Where the school goes, the credentials go! Meaning,
what Utah has accomplished in the past in athletics and academics are now
credited to the Pac-12. For example: Utah's 2 BCS bowl wins are now the
Pac-12's, Utah's 21 National Championships are now added to the 400 National
Championships the Pac-10 previously had, and Utah's dominance over BYU is now
credited to the Pac-12. With Utah being a member of the Pac-12 they can now
induct former players into the Pac-12 hall of fame because Utah is in their
conference. I know it's a bit of a shock to you Snacky! But look at
the bright side, everything Lavell Edwards has accomplished now belongs to the
Independent conference. lol. BYU's best basketball team in school history (the
Jimmer team) which only made it to the sweet 16, the WCC will now benefit with
those accomplishments and induct Jimmer in the WCC Hall of Fame. LOLWhere the school goes, the credentials go!
Arnie Ferrin helped put Utah basketball on the map, but the PAC 12 is simply
grasping at straws trying to make Utah feel relevant in the PAC 12.
Arnie's the real deal. He IS a Utah Man, if not THE Utah Man!
Wouldn't expect anything different from a couple guys from Utah County.
I agree with Sundance. Ferrin was a great player back in the 40s or 50s
(whenever he played). But he wasn't ever a part of the Pac 12. Who's next?
Van Horn or Bogut?
Shouldn't you have played in the Pac 12 before being inducted into it's hall of