Comments about ‘Utah's Arnie Ferrin to be inducted into Pac-12 Basketball Hall of Honor’

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Published: Wednesday, Feb. 8 2012 1:13 p.m. MST

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SundanceKid27
OREM, UT

Shouldn't you have played in the Pac 12 before being inducted into it's hall of fame?

che loco
Springville, UT

I agree with Sundance. Ferrin was a great player back in the 40s or 50s (whenever he played). But he wasn't ever a part of the Pac 12. Who's next? Van Horn or Bogut?

MLH
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Wouldn't expect anything different from a couple guys from Utah County.

JohnInSLC
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Arnie's the real deal. He IS a Utah Man, if not THE Utah Man!

Snack PAC
Olympus Cove, Utah

Arnie Ferrin helped put Utah basketball on the map, but the PAC 12 is simply grasping at straws trying to make Utah feel relevant in the PAC 12.

PAC 12 loves U
Sandy, Utah

@ Snack PAC

"Arnie Ferrin helped put Utah basketball on the map, but the PAC 12 is simply grasping at straws trying to make Utah feel relevant in the PAC 12".

Where the school goes, the credentials go! Meaning, what Utah has accomplished in the past in athletics and academics are now credited to the Pac-12. For example: Utah's 2 BCS bowl wins are now the Pac-12's, Utah's 21 National Championships are now added to the 400 National Championships the Pac-10 previously had, and Utah's dominance over BYU is now credited to the Pac-12. With Utah being a member of the Pac-12 they can now induct former players into the Pac-12 hall of fame because Utah is in their conference.

I know it's a bit of a shock to you Snacky! But look at the bright side, everything Lavell Edwards has accomplished now belongs to the Independent conference. lol. BYU's best basketball team in school history (the Jimmer team) which only made it to the sweet 16, the WCC will now benefit with those accomplishments and induct Jimmer in the WCC Hall of Fame. LOL

Where the school goes, the credentials go!

GoRed
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

Well said, PAC 12 loves U. Utah is now part of the most successful collegiate athletic conference in the country. The PAC 12 has the championships to back up that claim. And from what I've read and heard, Ferrin was truly a great athlete and a class act.

As a side note, it's sad to see how far some fans of our former rivals have sunk to.

Swoop
Salt Lake City, UT

Unfortunately for U, pac10pa2ie, Utah's men have never won a national championship without the help of the Utah women and Utah's johnny-come-lately football team has never had a single player good enough to win a national individual award.

btw, some of the greatest basketball players ever, played in the WCC.

Nobody has sunk farther, GoRed, than that sinking ship on the hill.

phoenix
Gilbert, AZ

The PAC 12 has to do something to help the Utes feel like they're one of the big boys; their basketball team certainly isn't doing that.

COUGARNATE
Lyman, WY

Arnie Ferrin was a great basketball player. I come from a long line of BYU fans and my grandpa, who was a huge Cougar fan said that Arnie was one of the best players he had ever seen. I find it strange that the Pac 12 did this, but it is there Hall of Fame and Mr. Ferrin deserves any accolades he gets. I am disappointed in my fellow Cougar fans, who would rip on Mr. Ferrin. Go Cougs.

Bleed Crimson
Sandy, Utah

@ Swoopy

"pac10pa2ie"

What are you a 3rd grader?

"Utah's men have never won a national championship without the help of the Utah women and Utah's johnny-come-lately football team has never had a single player good enough to win a national individual award".

Not true! Utah won the 1981 men's skiing National Championship and Utah has won the 1944 basketball National Championship. (Yes, the Pac-12 recognizes it as a National Championship) The Utes won the NCAA Tournament and beat the NIT Champion (St. John's) 3 days later in Madison Square Garden for the undisputed National Championship. Utah was nicknamed the "Cinderella Team" in 1944 for that reason.

"btw, some of the greatest basketball players ever, played in the WCC".

So does the Pac-12!

BTW, BYU did not "win" the National Championship in football in 1984. They were voted it! Everyone in the College Football world knows it!

Winning a true National Championship can only come from a playoff and college football does not have one. They vote their National Champions, end of story!

StGtoSLC
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

It's pretty clear people don't care for actual sports commentary, just belittling others. Great work. Thanks CougarNate for breaking the norm with something topical and genuine. To answer the question many have remarked on the subject, the Hall awarded one individual from each member school. Burnette Haldorson also never played in the Pac, and Kurt Nimphius spent most of his career in a different conference. It's a big credit to Arnie Ferrin to be named, and his individual efforts are something any Ute can be proud to be associated with.

skywalker
Palo Alto, CA

Bleed Crimson

Since when is the PAC 12 in the business of awarding national championships?

The Helms Foundation, the only national organization in the business of selecting a national champion in 1944, selected undefeated Army as the national champion.

The Utes LOST in the opening round of the NIT, which even the Utes recognized as the more prestigious tournament since they turned down their invitation to the NCAA to play in the NIT.

The EXHIBITION charity fund raiser played between the NCAA and NIT champions after the season isn't even recognized as an official game.

BYU won their CONCENSUS national championship in exactly the same every other national champion has been selected since the AP poll was started in 1936, by finishing #1 in the final poll.

CordonBleu
Park City, UT

Sorry to burst your crimson bubble, but "undisputed" national champions don't lose pickup games to the likes of

Fort Warren L 59-61
Salt Lake Air Base L 39-54
Dow Chemical L 36-46

and they certainly don't get beaten soundly in the opening round of the NIT

Kentucky L 38-46

It's no wonder Utah 1944 was one of the few teams to win the NCAA tournament and NOT be named national champions by the Helms Foundation.

Dutchman
Murray, UT

By doing this the PAC 12 officially recognizes Utah's 1944 NCAA National Men's Basketball Championship. To bad so many BYU fans can never bring themselves to do the same. This is a festering issue with many at BYU. I have even offered to fully accept BYU's football championship of 1984 to every BYU fan I know in return for them to accept Utah's 1944 Championship to no avail. Way to go PAC 12! I love this conference.

BTW, Billy "The Hill" McGill day is February 24th. Mark it on your calendars Ute fans and celebrate the day Billy scored 60 points on BYU in Provo.

phantomblade
Salt Lake City, Utah

Dutchman

"By doing this the PAC 12 officially recognizes Utah's 1944 NCAA National Men's Basketball Championship. To bad so many BYU fans can never bring themselves to do the same."

Get over your PAC 12 arrogance. No individual conference has the authority to award a national championship, much less a conference that wasn't even founded until FIFTEEN years after the championship in question - July 1, 1959.

Why should BYU fans, or anybody else for that matter, recognize the Utes for winning anything more than the NCAA tournament championship?

From 1939, when the NCAA Tournament started, the Helms Foundation and NCAA Division I champions were the same, EXCEPT for 1939-40-44-54 when Oregon, Indiana, Utah, and La Salle respectively won the tournament.

In 1944, Army (15-0) was chosen as the national champion.

SportsFan
Orem, UT

Dutchman

"I have even offered to fully accept BYU's football championship of 1984 to every BYU fan I know in return for them to accept Utah's 1944 Championship"

Your entire premise is misguided. It really doesn't matter whether BYU and Utah fans "accept" anything, the fact are:

BYU won a Concensus Major College Football National Championship 1984 - BYU has the trophies and the acknowledgements from all five major national organizations to prove it.

Utah didn't win a national championship in basketball in 1944 - the ONLY trophy Utah has is the NCAA tournament championship trophy.

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