He would have still gotten visitation and they would still be looking for more
evaluations on the dad. At least they spent time away from paternal grandfather
and with her parents and family. What was keeping him from getting the boys back
had nothing to do with his wife's case.
Furry1993 writes: "That is why, when the children were first taken away
from their father, I hoped they would be entrusted to a neutral foster
parent"These children lost their Mother and you want to put
them in an unfamiliar foster home instead of with their loving Grandparents. Of
course Josh Powell was quick to point out that one of the boys had bumped his
head while in their care.
News conference starts now from where Josh&susan are from
Washingtonstate!Dont know them yet it has been a emotional story!Condolences and thoughts of how Devasted Family&friends as they all come
closer pull together from a sorrow far beyond on this Tragic ungrateful Josh
done.resident of WVC
Howard Beal,Thank you for replying. I'm sorry I didn't see your
response until now.It is a good point for sure. I only think that we
as 'the masses' shouldn't 1) hate the brother for defending his family (as he
may, from his perspective, had seemingly valid reasons for his opinions and 2)
that from the Powell family perspective, I can imagine circumstances in which
they could reasonably not want the Cox parents to have custody.Example: Imagine Susan telling Josh (before all this) that her parents were
violent and she didn't trust them with children. If that were true the Powell's
custody 'concerns' weren't invalidated. Of course NONE of this, nor anything
else, can justify the explosion. My only concern is that people are attacking
Josh and his brother for something that is based on fallacious reasoning. I'm
not really trying to defend anyone (especially killing your kids). My only
concern here is a logical principle; when the masses start adhering to a
principle that can set a dangerous precedent, I take issue with it.We simply don't know all the facts, and we don't need to add hateful
commentary to these people's lives. This is my only real claim, which I believe
to be reasonable.
To Cinefan | 7:37 a.m. Feb. 6, 2012 The problem is that we have no
way of knowing whether those memories are accurate, or just something the boys
picked up from their grandparents. Children of that age are VERY suggestible,
and there is a very real possibility that they were repeating
"memories" that had been implanted in their minds. These
"memories" are tainted due to their close contact with people who
hoped and prayed that the "memories" would be true.That is
why, when the children were first taken away from their father, I hoped they
would be entrusted to a neutral foster parent. That way, if any memories arose,
they would be REAL memories and could be trusted. That way there would have
been a good chance of finding out over time what happened to Susan Powell. That
possibility is gone now, both through the loss of the children and the influence
coming from the children's interactions with their grandparents. That does a
great disservice in finding out what happened to Susan Powell and, hopefully,
where she can be found.
Our prayers of condolences sentiments Go out to all Family Members,As we
here in WVC are mourning the life of those boys,And of ever finding out about
the real Truth of thier Beautiful Mom Susan.The two young children
known what josh had done to her.Whats to blameJosh known all along in the
after math,unhappy life he lived to do this,guesshe was thrown in
depression for whats been done.Facing up to Reality - sad to kill
his two boys in all this awful part of love promises and dispair down right mean
The DN does a great job of reporting. They are very quick at reporting. Some of
the commenters have also mentioned that. The DN provides us up to date news and
attempts to give us a valid product. With the 24/7/365/366 version this year
news from the cable and on the spot person, you can get your 24 hour coverage,
almost non-interrupted. The Seattle paper has deadlines also but also had their
own reporter right on station. If a person lives overseas it is very hard to
get up to date news. The DN does have online news with more rapid updates as
there aren't publishing, printing and transportation issues. The DN does not
hide anything or have bad reporting as some accuse. One thing in SLC and online
is you can get things from different sources but honesty is not a problem with
DN. They bring us news for us, reliably and are as up to date as possible. We
are grateful for this kind of reporting.
Tragedy all the way around. So many affected by this. Those little boys did
not deserve this. They are now in a place where nothing bad will ever happen to
them again. My heart goes out to them, their grandparents, their mother, and
People have grief and pain for this family. Many of us want the system to be
improved to help prevent this from happening to some other children when it
could have been prevented. Many children die throughout the world, not just in
the United States from abuse, whether from family or others that are
perpetrators. We have interest because of it happening right here in the West,
Washington and Utah. People such as the Mark Hacking and the Elizabeth Smart
cases highlight this for us. Elizabeth Smart's outcome is better than the
Hacking and Powell cases but it is still tragic. The Smart family pushed
because they knew how to push the process. The others had someone die in the
process. The Smart family, with Elizabeth's help have been able to make, change
and help in the process. These other's die in vain if we don't make changes to
agencies working together to protect children. Government is for the safety and
welfare of society. We can do more. It is not just a family issue. It is a
societal issue as we all have children and grandchildren, etc.
Josh Powell's brother was asking for justice. Now he'll be pleading for mercy.
From another news source:"Downing also told the AP Sunday that
the children had started talking to their grandparents about things they
remembered from the night their mother vanished."'They were
beginning to verbalize more,' Downing said. 'The oldest boy talked about that
they went camping and that Mommy was in the trunk. Mom and Dad got out of the
car and Mom disappeared.'"
Whether too much or not enough in some instances was done by all authorities
concerned, we shall never know. but I do agree that we cannot second-guess, when
we were not privy to the details or part of the process. It is a tragedy that,
unfortunately, is played out all too often. I know many are angry at Josh. But
for all that he may have done, it is not ours to judge, and there are those who
loved and miss him also. To all those who are mourning, I am so sorry for your
loss, there is no way, especially in this kind of situation, to express how sad
and lonely you must feel. Those precious children will be with their father in
heaven and their loved ones, and surely with their mom. I truly hope some lesson
can be learned here.
I can't seem to wrap my brain around the fact that those little boys are dead.
Poor innocent babies, murdered by their purely evil father. I can only hope and
pray that their last minutes of horror was eased by the angels which came to
take them to their heavenly home. Rest in peace little ones.
I feel so many feelings right now, of course sadness and rage and even a
peaceful feeling. Gosh-DUH quoted a comment I made before that it would be
tragic if these boys were to be given back to their father. I could not have
even dreamed that he was capable of something this horrible. My
Sadness is for the Cox family and for those of the Powell family that knew of
these problems and for the friends. I can't express how my heart hurts for all
of you.My Anger is of course towards Josh and his father, I can't
blame siblings if they didn't know the whole picture, but I know that Josh's
father will rot in prison and Josh will rot somewhere else. I guess I should
not judge, but both of them committed crimes against children.I do
feel peace, those two perfect little boys are with their mother and they will be
waiting for their grandparents. They are safe now, and no one can ever hurt
them again and they are OK. It is a shame that they left this life the way they
did, but they have entered into a place of peace.
While my heart breaks for the Cox family, who did nothing to deserve such
treatment of their daughter and grandsons, I'm strangely comforted by all of
this. I have absolutely no doubt those little boys are back with their mother
again. Now is the time of healing for them, in a glorious place without that
horrible man.Perhaps, in a way, this was all for the best. I can't
imagine how difficult life growing up would have been for these boys without a
mother, and suspecting their father and grandfather had a hand in that tragedy.
They died perfect, sweet, innocent, and spared of future abuse by one side of
their family. I just pray now that the Coxes can find some peace in all of this.
Thomas Jefferson:Sorry, let me try this post again...Since the children were escorted by a DCF social worker who was then locked
out by Powell, I think any conspiracies of Josh disappearing with his children
should be discounted. In this case, the tragic and simple solution that a coward
killed his own children should suffice.
A Voice of Reason:I could understand your perspective on the brother
being biased and perhaps the father. But what about his sister? She was
biologically connected to Josh but she was able to see him for what he was. Just
some food for thought...
Now is the time to go after Josh's dad. Most likely, he knows where her body
@guswetrust:"Don't blame the judge."Look at it
this way... An order to be polygraphed put Josh in a corner. He knew he
couldn't pass the test. And the authorities who ordered it should have
suspected the same. A cornered murderer is bound to do other bad things.Given this situation, the judge should have/could have used a bit of
logic such as... if Josh killed his wife he could also do harm to other loved
ones... such as her kids. And that logic could have/should have lead to the
judge's refusal of visitations until the test was completed and results known
and dealt with.That's my take.
Blaming social services is like blaming the gas company for providing gas to the
house. Probably not even his property he blew up. He has no regard for human
life. If the supervised visitation where in some government building or public
place there would have been more people dead. Different weapon. As
it was he lost physical custody on the good fortune that his dad, who they were
living with, was arrested on something inappropriate. If they hadn't been living
in the same place the boys would have never lived with the maternal grandparents
or been at risk for losing custody to them. It was based on the other adults in
the home that he lost physical custody temporarily. Nothing to do with wife's
case. And pornography doesn't suggest murder. All they had on the family was
porn. If anything all the tests and evaluations were ways to prolong returning
boys to dad hoping something would turn up. He had separate housing. Josh wasn't
arrested for anything on his computer. Seems like the courts we're bending over
backwards hoping law enforcement would make progress on his wife's case. Grandpa doesn't seem too innocent to me on Susan disappearing either.
Now is the time to support the Cox family. It is not the time to second guess
and spew bile. That doesn't help the Cox family.
In case anyone replies to my previous comment, I should have worded something
more clearly that could cause a fairly big misunderstanding."Whether this man is guilty or not" was only meant to apply to
Susan's disappearance and likely death. I was not trying to suggest anything
relating to this explosion. Nor do I think that Josh Powell is innocent of
anything. My only argument is that logically this does not prove anything in
relation to Susan. There are a number of reasons different people make their
choices. Albeit people make the wrong, and sometimes very horrible choices- we
at large typically do not have all the facts, and this was all I was
suggesting.My primary concern on here isn't even that, but the
hateful comments on here that have no place. There is never a valid reason to
hate anyone and sadly it seems that online comments typically promote more hate
than anything else.
Nobody listened to the Cox's. Of everyone involved, I feel the worst for them.
Thank you Cox's for putting yourselves into the middle of this. I am very sad
for those two boys...innocent all the way around. Josh Powell was a
horrible monster. And we might as well get it out, his father is a monster too.
I'll save my lectures about the destructive power of pornography for
My heart breaks for what Susan's poor little boys had to go through the past 2
years. I cannot imagine how her parents feel right now. God bless them.
Josh was the worse of the worse. Cold blooded and too chicken to face his own
trials without hurting others who loved him.
Absolute tragedy. Absolutely unnecessary.
"Days after a judge ruled against him in a child custody hearing, a father
of two young boys apparently blew up a house Sunday with all three inside - a
tragic ending to a bizarre, long-running case that began when the man's wife
went mysteriously missing in Utah."Ending? I don't think it
will be over until Susan is found.
Josh Powell knew his game was up when the order came down that he had to take a
polygraph. He knew he couldn't pass the test and would be eventually found
guilty of the murder of his wife.C'mon monitor, the guy is dead and
so is his wife. Other accepted posts have stated as much. What gives?
This is a tragic event for the family but very, very tragic for the children.
The states of Washington and Utah have the right and the responsibility to
ensure all children are safe for our society. There will be a lot of second
guessing and hopefully the process of this type of case of a missing mother and
a person of interest, whatever that means. This guy played havoc with the
police and prosecuting attorneys in both states. These poor little defenseless
children were manipulated and persuaded by a father during at least the past 2
years. This father never cooperated with the investigations and stymied the
West Valley police department and the divisions that deal with children in
various ways. The sealed evidence that was kept away from those that could have
potentially protected these children with the court's process could reveal some
things the public should have known about. It is not hard to believe with
Josh's father and Josh having pornography, etc. on their computers that when the
judge ordered a psychosexual evaluation, this event happens a coupld of days
later. How many times did investigators and child advocates know of a piece
that the other agency didn't know? Children deserve more.
My thoughts and prayers are with Chuck and Judy Cox and all the family. I was
watching TV when the earliest news came on and my thoughts turned to them
immediately. Condolences and sympathy to them in these unbelievable hours. God
To JUSTAMACGUY; Don't blame the judge. They were careful and ordered tests
that could help determine if Josh should be custodial parent. It was probably a
wise decision. Josh was so sick though, he felt backed into a corner and knew
the facts might come out. He was about to be had.
A Washington state authority gave a statement on the news today and said
"Do not call it a tragedy. Because it was more than a tragedy. Those boys
Love to all of Susan's loved ones.
Matthew 18:66 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which
believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his
neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
How heartbreaking can a story get. May justice be meted-out in the
eternities.We need to pray for the grandparents to gain divine strength.
Our hearts are broken for those two precious children and the Cox and Graves
families. Thank goodness there is eternal punishment and retribution for the
selfish acts of a father who didn't really care about his two sons nor his
wife.I hope the Cox and Graves family know that poeple in every
state of this nation are collectedly reaching out to hug them, mourn with them,
and give them hope of a better day when they will see Susan and the children
again.If any Cox or Graves family members are reading this, please
know that you will remain in our prayers. I pray the Lord will give you
My heart is broken for the Cox family. I am so sorry for the loss of your two
grandsons. Josh Powell's father will have the rest of his life to
think about his twisted life and the effects on rest of his family. He knows
what happened and should now come clean.
Wow. so sad. Question: were the Cox's living in Utah with the boys?What a messed up guy. Sounds like he had a really messed up dad too.
Deepest condolences to the Cox's and those that knew and loved Susan
and the boys.
I feel sick for the boys but you armchair quarterback of law enforcements and
courts can't make decisions on your gut feelings or what the opposing family
says. Then you would have government run amok. Most child custody issues don't
end like this. If they had the evidence to convict they would have. Imagine
all you complainers barking about money wasted prosecuting him without evidence
Re: tabuno | 4:21 p.m. Feb. 5, 2012 "This whole tragic affair is
going to raise major questions regarding the role of government and the invasion
of privacy of into parental rights"No, this is going to
reinforce our belief that government has the right to take children away from
unfit parents. It also reinforces our believe that Susan Powell's parents had
every reason to believe the Josh Powell was an evil man who had taken the life
of these boy's mother.
There is a judge somewhere that has to be really questioning his decision.
When I learned about Josh Powell murdering his sons, my soul was wrent with
anguish and sorrow for the boys and their maternal grandparents. May God bless
and comfort them!
That murder/suicide act was the answer to what happened to Susan. Condolences
to the Cox family.
I predicted to my husband that Josh Powell had killed his wife because she was
preparing to leave him, meaning that the boys would go with her...and if he felt
that his sons were going to be taken away, he probably would kill them next. If there is any kind of comfort that can come from two young boys having
their lives cut so short is the knowledge that they are with their mother once
again, and Josh is gone forever.
What? The Josh that didn't kill his wife or look at porn? He just committed
murder/suicide. For you nonbelievers that said he was innocent, you just got
your answer. I am sad for the Cox family and the two boys. He could see it
coming to a head with results of his sexual evaluation probably.
My heart is aching for so many. Yes, Josh emailed his lawyer 3 minutes before
the blast: "I'm sorry, goodbye."Josh has once again taken more
innocent lives. Two more innocent lives. I will pray for all of those suffering.
This isn't how it should have ended. Bless those who worked so hard to
find Susan. Bless those who tried so hard to remove the children from Josh's
custody. Bless those who will continue to protect children from homes when
they see such danger. To Susan's friends and family: You all worked so
hard. You are amazing.TO the West Valley Police: THANK YOU.Josh leaves a legacy of pure selfishness--taking away a mothers love from two
children. And taking away the love of two children from their grandparents.R.I.P. Susan, Braden, and Charlie.
I believe there is a special place in heaven for those two little ones, and an
even more special place in hell for Josh! RIP little ones.
I guess no one could deny Josh Powell's guilt now. Those poor little children
had a short tragic life. Our hearts go out to the Cox Family.
My heart is hurting for Susan's parents and family. My thoughts and prayers are
with you. I am mostly speechless otherwise and can only say that
there are so many what if's and if only's.
The visitation should have been at the police station. Were they really that
blind not to see this comming?? Another report I seen is that they have
recovered the childrens bodies but not that of Josh. Did he escape out the back
PS We learned about this from the Deseret News before it was shown here in
This is so very sad and could have been prevented by putting the kids into
protective custody until the case was resolved. This event just confirms in my
mind that Josh Powell was the responsible person for the death of his wife. I'm
so sorry for all the relatives. I also wonder if the allegations into the
grandparents were also valid so Josh could get visitation.
the two little boys are in heaven with their mother now.josh is somewhere
This whole tragic affair is going to raise major questions regarding the role of
government and the invasion of privacy of into parental rights (conservative
philosophy) versus the welfare of children (liberal philosophy).
Here's the facts... The west Valley police never had the evidence to charge him
with anything. They took his kids away from him the only way they could,
through his fathers transgressions. They hounded him at every turn and left him
with nothing. Josh Powell was smarter then the cops from start to finish and he
was the one to determine his and his children's fate. Now all the
prognosticators are going to come out of the woodwork and tell us what really
happened, and how they knew all this would happen. As for the cops
and the Cox family... you can choose your actions but you can't choose the
consequences; that's a FACT!!!
For those who are religious, and believe in an afterlife, this is a very dark
cloud with a silver lining. These kids will never have to grow up wondering
what happened to their mom if the body is never found. They won't have to
confront their dad as teenagers and feel the injustice and anger that those on
the outside have felt to a much smaller degree. God bless them and be with
This isn't the best time for all of those defending Josh and demanding that the
courts return these boys to him to speak out now about the evil government
trying to usurp his rights.When their wives (and mothers of their
children) go missing decent men do everything in their power to help the police
in their investigations. There was never a question in my mind from day 1 that
Josh was guilty of taking his wife's life.Now Susan can be reunited
with her sons.
Unbelievable, that the "professionals" associated with the case were
in charge. they should have listened to the grandparents and DN commenters.From February 1, 2012 Deseret NewsPierce County Superior Court Judge
Kathryn Nelson also ordered that for now, his children will remain in the
custody of his in-laws, the parents of missing Utah mother Susan Cox Powell .
During the hearing, the judge was informed that a doctor who completed a
psychological evaluation on Josh Powell said he believes Powell has made
improvements in his life."There are a lot of positives regarding Mr.
Powell," Nelson said, noting that he no longer lived in his father's house
and had been cooperative with all the visitation requirements.MoJulesFlorissant, MOGlad that the boys are staying at the
grandparents still. What will be tragic is if those boys ever have to go back
with their dad..My condolences to the grandparents who tried so hard
to keep those boys safe.
Beyond heartbreaking...what a monster to take the lives of his innocent
children. While we may never know with absolute certainty if Josh Powell killed
the mother of his children, he left no doubt that he was a murderous monster.I want to believe that the two boys are now in the embrace of their
I wish the Deseret News wouldn't publish any cynical comments in such sad cases
like this.Was the brother biased? Sure, maybe. Would most of us be
any different? Probably not.Just because someone didn't think it was
appropriate for the judge to take custody away, doesn't mean that they hated her
parents. Even if they did, it wouldn't mean that the Powell family didn't have
valid concerns. I found after a incident that hit close to home in my life- that
people offering judging comments and pretending to know anything factual were
only adding to the hate in an already sad or hateful situation.None
of us know the truth here. None of us know why Susan Disappeared, what was going
on in anyone's mind in that home before it exploded, or anything else. The last
thing we need on here is more judgement and hatred. The people who put pressure
on the Powell Family are no better than the people who ridiculed the Columbine
students. Whether this man is guilty or not is no longer our business. What
matters is that we leave everyone alone to mourn and move on with their
lives.My condolences to anyone who knew them.
Blessings on the Coxes and the remaining Powell family. Peace be to all who
have suffered through this terrible family ordeal.
I knew he wouldnt allow himself to be given the psychosexual evaluation but
never dreamed he would avoid it this way. Never in my life have I ever regretted
there isnt an eternal hell of fire and brimstone but today I find myself
thinking of it.
If he was going to take his own life why couldn't he do it with the boys still
with the grandparents! And the Bother of Josh who accused the grandparents of
willfully maiming one of the two boys???? I hope he feels the guilt for a very
long time! I know kids can get hurt while under good supervision of adults.
About the only way to protect them from not getting hurt is put them in a padded
room 24/7. It was the grandparents who were trying to protect the kids. It was
Josh who murdered them, and I know not proven, but I am not the only one who
believes he killed his wife too. I thought the judge ruled that the grandparents
were to keep the kids. Was Josh getting them just for a visitation or how did he
end up with them?
It is my belief that those two boys are now with their mother and the three of
them are far away from Josh. All three are beyond the reach of anymore suffering
or torment.Now the people who will suffer most are Susan's parents
and everyone that loved her and her boys.I am so sorry.
If the Cox family reads this, or Josh's sister, I want you to know how many of
us ache for you. We have followed this case and hoped for the safety and well
being for those little ones. We are so very sorry. You will be in our prayers.
This is a failure of the Social Services.What a terrible tragedy.
The Cox's worst fear was realized.
My heart is so sad what is this world coming to.
My heart goes out to the Cox and Graves families.I guess Susan Cox
has her boys back, and Josh Powell is powerless to take them away again.
Planned Parenthood gets them before birth and the world is full of crazies that
get them after . .and to think there are folks looking for children to adopt.
Will we ever understand?
My questions is what took so long in the investigation of Susan's
disappearance?Josh took matters into his own doing and This
suicide/murder is what he came up with. This should never have happened.
Letting him get away with Susan Powell's fate all this time gave him in his own
sick mind to do what he did.At least now the boys don't have to be
put through anymore battle. It breaks your heart!
It is way too early for decisions but some questions should be asked. Didn't
they smell gas while the door was open? If yes, why did they let the sons in? If
no, should they have gone in first? Probably not.
Is this really that surprising? When Susan was going to leave him, he killed
her. Now when his kids were going to leave him, he killed them. What
a sad story about complete and utter selfishness. Josh needed to think about
someone other than himself.
I am stunned. Josh has done the unthinkable - to literally sever family ties to
the Cox family.Oh what a rude awakening he will have on the other
Beyond sad, I think this confirms he killed his wife. To eek some positive out
of this filth and slime, those little boys are now with there loving mother and
there heavenly father. Josh now lives in a mental lake of fire,
worse than anything a jury could do to him, how tormenting we know not. And his dad is now utterly alone in prison.
I am so sorry for Susan's parents and family. May the peace of our Savior be
My deepest condolences to the Cox family. I cannot begin to imagine their
Michael Powell's "clairvoyance" will be the irony of his lifetime.Bravo Michael. Bra. Vo.
The boys are in their mother's arms. Josh. I can guess where he is.
The tragedy continues. Sad. RIP Josh, Charlie and Braden Powell.
Well Josh, you couldn't take anymore of the guilt could you? what a terrible
tragedy and a family totally destroyed. I just don't know what to say.
After this, no question in my mind that he killed his wife. Too bad the Salt
Lake County prosecutors wouldn't bring charges against him. This might not have
happened. How unfortunate one tragedy has been compounded into another.
The last selfish pathetic act of a murderer. To do that to your own kids too is
a evil as it gets. My opinion this is his sick way of making sure the Powell
family did not get the boys; he's not a father, he is a murder of children.
Vengeance is my mine sayeth the lord, I will repay.
You've got to feel for the Cox family right now. First they lost their daughter,
and now their grandsons.
How terribly, terribly sad. Sadly, it certainly shows that the grandparents were
right. I feel so sorry for them--they tried so hard.
Enjoy your time with the devil Josh. I hope you left a note with your sick dad
to tell the police where you buried Susan. The world is a better place without
How horribly, terribly sad. And how right the grandparents were. My prayers go
out to them--they tried so hard.
Like we didn't see this one coming...Sad, R.I.P. little
According to other news reports, Josh killed himself and his two sons. And his
biased brother was concerned about the kids safety with their grandparents????