Comments about ‘Are we still a nation that allows free conscience?’

"it is inarguably their right to change course. "

It is, but it's also the right of the people to disagree. For instance, those liberals who were frustrated with this decision and before reversed vowed not to give any money to the Komen group again... now that the decision is reversed you see conservatives in comment threads about that who are saying they'll never give any money to the Komen group again.

"Catholic voters, who helped put Barack Obama in office (54 percent to 45 percent) in 2008, may not be with him this time. "

Over 90% of catholics use birth control. The only people who care about this decision are the Santorums in the church who probably didn't support him in the first place.

'It is, but it's also the right of the people to disagree.' - atl134 | 2:42 p.m. Feb. 3, 2012

I agree.

But, there is a line:

**'Boy, 15, reprimanded for backing traditional family in school paper' - By Joshua Bolding, Deseret News - 01/27/12

'He (Wegner) also quoted scriptures like Leviticus 20:13: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death...' article

***'George Tiller Killed: Abortion Doctor Shot At Church' - Huffington Post - 05/31/09

The line, to me, would be insults, violent action (As, I'm sure you agree) and...

***'Judge releases beaten teen, citing state's abortion law' - By Emiley Morgan - Published by DSNews - 10/14/09

'A 17-year-old girl who paid a man to beat her in the hopes of terminating her pregnancy has been...' - article

dictating what goes on...

in a woman's, body.

I have a right to choose what organizations I support - that is what the whole issue over SGK and PP was about.

Does an organization have the right to force me to adhere to the religious dictates of some of it's members? This is the question raised by the contraceptive issue.

'Does an organization have the right to force me to adhere to the religious dictates of some of it's members?' - Bubble | 3:14 p.m. Feb. 3, 2012

A good question.

But after Prop 8, gay adoption, and having contraceptives availible, I think we can both agree.

And the answer is:

Yes.

Sometimes there is Outrage sometimes there is Joy.

I love Komen and I indirectly work sometimes for Catholic Charitys.

I am a Blood Enemy of Planned Parenthood any time there funding gets cut in any way I am happy.

I have nothing against Birth Control which puts me at odds with some Pro Lifers but mostly the Sex is for Reproduction Only Crowd. (In reality a small gathering).

I have nothing against not using it either in most cases. In all cases if Birth Control Fails I do not believe in abortion. Huge you Daughter tighter and support her and deal with it in a loving manner, hate, anger, and rejection do not help a scared child cope. In all cases protect the Unborn Child and the Males Right to his Priesthood. Which is one reason the Church suggests adoptions and has the ability to make that option happen.

So Kathleen Parker first tells us that if you don't like the Komen decision, then don't support them. Great answer. Then she says the Federal Government is waging war on the Catholics for forcing them to carrying Birth Control in their medical plans. BUT, the Federal Government isn't forcing anyone to take Birth Control. So, Miss Parker, if you don't like birth control, then don't get a prescription. But for those folks that are covered by a Catholic Health Plan and want birth control, they can get it. Absolutely flawed logic by Parker and the Right on this one.

What are your sources Kathleen Parker when you makes the statement: "Catholic institutions are under siege by the federal government vis-a-vis the Affordable Care Act, which requires nearly all employers to provide health insurance that covers contraception, including in some cases abortifacient drugs."

According to HHS own website "Affordable Care Act Rule Expanding Access to Preventive Services for Women"
Aug 2011 it states:
"Contraception and contraceptive counseling: Women will have access to all Food and Drug Administration-approved contraceptive methods, sterilization procedures, and patient education and counseling. These recommendations DO NOT include abortifacient drugs."

Facts please!

Who is to be trusted in this argument? Who KNOWS what life if about? Is is Barack Obama? Is it Planned Parenthood? Is it a religious organization? Is it GOD?

Man has done a pretty good job of "dissing" God. Mr. Obama seems to revel in doing that. Planned Parenthood tells us that a baby is not a baby until it is born, and, Mr. Obama, as a State Senator from Illinois, told us that NOTHING COULD BE DONE TO SAVE A BABY who was born who needed a little help in breathing.

Would GOD tell us that we should die unless we could sustain life on our own without medical help? If that is the case, then what is the uproar about health care? We should all know that if we get sick, we are required to DIE!

That is the message that Barack Obama gave us as a State Senator in Illinois. That is the message that he is giving us today, when he DEMANDS that CHURCHES provide the funds to prohibit life from starting.

No matter when YOU think life starts, do YOU have the right to take life from others who have a different belief? Do you have the right to kill an unborn baby because YOU think that there are too many people on this earth? Do you have the right to tell a church, in direct opposition to the 1st Amendment, what doctrines it must uphold and which doctrines are up for public debate?

God gave us agency to ACT FOR OURSELVES. That does not mean that the Government will make those decisions for us. That does not mean that we will have to pay for killing unborn babies just because Mr. Obama thinks differently about God than we do.

If YOU want birth control YOU pay for it and YOU answer to God for YOUR choice.

Apparently conservatives oppose abortion, oppose contraception, oppose govt. programs to assist the elderly, disabled, children and indigent.

So what is left?

Throwing oneself on the mercy of others. (who've already judged the poor unworthy).
Survival of the fittest.

This is America?
This from the self-proclaimed party of "Christian values?"

@Mike Richards
Deal. I'll pay for my GF's birth control. As long as your church starts paying taxes. If YOU want to live in this country why shouldn't your church pay the same taxes as anyone else?

As long as we can keep religion out of the discussion...

What the heck is the Susan G. Komen for the Cure people doing giving money to Planned Parenthood in the first place? Planned Parenthood doesn't have anything to do with cancer or its treatment. Seems like a waste of money sacrificed at the alter of political correctess. Spend the money for cancer research, not whatever it is Planned Parenthood does.

Flashback

The Susan Komen Foundation reportedly spends 20% on research, 39% on public health education, 13% on health screening services, 5% treatment, 20% fundraising and administrative costs.

Planned Parenthood received money from Komen for breast cancer screening, including exams and mammogram referrals. PP is primarily a healthcare provider for women, conducting cancer screenings, providing birth control and treatment for STDs and other gynecological issues. Some clinics provide abortion services but many do not. For example, PA has around 40 clinics and 10 offer abortion services. PP reports 75% of the patients it sees are at or below 150% of poverty level.

@Mike Richards
This is about birth control, not abortion. Your entire argument isn't applicable here.

Catholics WILL support Obama over a Mormon.

It's their right to change their mind back again, too, eh?

@ Mike Richards: Speaking of who is God, you do realize that the LDS Church - along with many other religions - have no prohibitions on birth control and actually support the right of the woman to plan her family?

So whose trying to force their will over the will of God in this story?

(PS - Obama never said that nothing could be done to save a baby - he said there were already laws in place to provide the services needed and additional laws were not needed. I thought you, with all your talk of small government etc., etc., etc., would support that.)

According to new research on Komen, it appears that the "charity" is in trouble on several fronts.
Komen has been accepting money from wealthy backers who are currently being investigated by the US government for illegalities.
Hypocrasy, anyone?
One well known donor, is Bank Of America. Others wealthy donors being investigated, as well, are named. The Huffington Post and several other US publications are carrying articles on Komen following what has occurred this week.
Also, Komen's non profit status is being questioned. Administrative Komen employees are accepting large salaries. Money that is meant for women with breast cancer is going to salaries and other questionable areas of Komen.

Kass,

The Constitution prohibits anyone but Congress from legislating. The 1st Amendment prohibits Congress from making any laws pertaining to an establishment of religion. The Constitution requires that the President take an oath of office to protect and defend the Constitution.

Not one part of that has anything to do with my religious beliefs. Not one part of that has anything to do with that doctrines of the church I attend.

ALL of that has to do with boundaries and limits and scope.

My comments were about the CONSTITUTION, not about LDS theology. No where in my comments did I mention my religious beliefs or even the beliefs of the Catholic church.

My argument is with the President breeching his duty to protect and defend the Constitution. My argument is with Congress passing laws that breech the 1st Amendment. My argument is with YOU if you accept any part of this breeching without demanding that the President stand for the Constitution - as written - and that Congress remove any law that instructs an establishment of religion to alter its doctrine - for any reason.