@ ugottabkidn, maybe we are over-policing our own people. We have the highest
incarceration rate in the world. We have 5% of the world's population and 25%
of all inmates. We are doing something wrong. Who knew that China and Russia
would provide more freedom for people....
Elsie, why not join the mormon church. They will keep you out of the liquor
store. That being the case, then, you can leave it to me to decide for myself.
After all, you didn't say anything about cigarettes, which kill way way way more
people in the state than liquor or other drugs. So safety must not be your
There are practical limits to how tightly you can control a substance that
basically makes itself out of unrefrigerated fruit juice.
'The harder it is to obtain, the better off everyone will be.' - letter Really? America is suffering an obesity epidemic. We
should also put restrictions then on... Caffine, sugar and salt. Do we? No. When making claims, people will mock
you... if you do not provide FACTS, to back up your claims. As: **'Utah DUI arrests DECLINE despite looser liquor law' - By
BROCK VERGAKIS - AP - Published by SL Tribune - 10/11/10 'Opening
Utahs bars to the public didnt result in an increase in drunk driving arrests.'
- article As others have pointed out, we have examples of American
history that proved trying to ban all alchohol... failed. It was called prohibition. Regulation, getting a tax on liquor,
is one thing. Favoring MORE restrictions, without any evidence? Is foolish.
Yes Charity, let us go through another Prohibition. Just when we get over our
mistakes you want to pull us back into it. It's no wonder the nation is slipping
in terms of the economy, health and education. We are the world's policemen for
now but that's all we can do because we keep wasting time on issues that were
You realize the LDS churched used fermented WINE in the Sacrament for nearly 100
years until the early 1900's,coindidentaly about the same time LDS
abstinence from alcohol became required for Temple worthiness.The
change happened in part because of the U.S. Prohibition Laws -- not the other
way around.No to shake anyone's testimony or anything...
If underage individuals are already able to access liquor, then the current
controls aren't very effective, are they? (No, they are not - because studies
have shown that underage individuals get their alcohol at home or their friend's
homes, not at the store.)Do you have any proof that allowing alcohol
to be sold in stores will increase the likelihood of underage individuals
getting alcohol? (No, because people who don't drink are not going to start
drinking just because buying alcohol no longer requires the extra effort and
planning - which means alcohol won't start showing up in additional homes where
underage individuals actually have access to it - and underage individuals still
won't be able to buy it themselves.)Do you have any proof of ANY of
the claims made in your letter?
The Bible endorses alcohol, and discourages drunkenness. Moderation and
temperance is what is needed. I daresay that people who hide behind
alcohol are using alcohol to escape. If it wasn't alcohol it would be something
else they escape with. YOu can take anything and make it bad by taking it to
the extreme. Religion, driving, exercise, drugs and alcohol, video games, TV
watching, sex, and the list goes on. Alcohol was intended for human
consumption, our bible says it is so.
I never tire of listening to conservatives cry -- FREEDOM!and then
turn right around and say -- but you can't do this, or this, or this, or
this, or this...Christ called the hypocrites the lowest of lows.He also is the advocate of Free Agency - right AND wrong."Never the
less, thou mayest FREELY choose for thyself."Freedom has it's
own consequences.I'll take and accept the good, with the bad to keep my
Freedom, and will allow others the same. ...rather than the
FORCED goodness of Lucifer.
A group has come out stating that sugar is just as bad as alcohol and needs to
be regulated. If we want to be controlled by Nannies there will be no end.
Just as long as we also tightly regulate mini-vans, ice cream, and jello. Those
things can be harmful to your health (and society) as well.
America tried prohibition, and it was a hugh FAIL and created a problem bigger
than the alcohol.Thankfully America has been enlightened to this, and does
not want a cleric government.There are plenty of fundamentalist who share
this opinion. We are freeing those countries from the primitive beliefs of
control you aspire to return to.At the wedding party when the wine
ran dry, did Christ lecture the party goers about the evils of alcohol? Nope, he turned water to wine, that the festivities might continue. So
I'll follow Christ example.
Mike said: We do a lot of things to keep as many of us safe from people who act
stupidly. Why do drinkers want to be the exception - instead of the rule?DUI laws, Public intoxication laws, Zion curtain laws, can't move your
drink laws...and many many more sooooo don't think they getting any kind of FREE
pass.This is about people controlling others for self interest that have
nothing to do with safety.
@ Mike, so you are indeed for government regulation of people's lives. And to
toss something back to you, what does the Constitution say about it? Or will
you just say the states can be totalitarian as long as the federal government
isn't? Which is it?
We make people wear seatbelts, even though, on average the chance of being in an
accident is almost nil. We don't allow people to text while
driving, although some possibly could text and drive.We don't allow
people to speed through school zones when children are present, although most
kids watch for cars, even if drivers don't always watch for kids.We
do a lot of things to keep as many of us safe from people who act stupidly. Why
do drinkers want to be the exception - instead of the rule?
This stuff needs tight regulation and artificially high pricing. Drive it out of
There are some people who use drugs, others dont'. If drinking led to harder
drugs then the whole world (minus Utah of course) would be on hard drugs. This
is a scary thing, but its just not true.
This letter is correct in calling alcohol a pernicious evil which destroys
countless American lives each year. However, this letter does not go far
enough. Instead of calling for regulation, it should be calling for
elimination.Human knowledge has advanced to the point that society
can no longer justify alcohol use. Indeed, no reasonable person can claim that
alcohol use provides any positive benefit to society. To the contrary, every
reasonable person recognizes that alcohol use results in increased rates of
traffic deaths, crime, divorce, and sexually transmitted disease.Let
us take the final step away from barbarism. Let us become a truly enlightened
society by abolishing alcohol use once and for all.
I don't drink, but while there are some negative consequences to overindulgence,
you overstate the problem. Shall we tightly regulate everything? Maybe we can
have the nanny state that conservatives decry, yet in practice seem to want.