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Published: Wednesday, Feb. 1 2012 9:59 p.m. MST

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bigutefan
Las Vegas, NV

Congrats to the Utah coaches for putting together an amazing class of talent. It amazes me what you can get when you are a BCS program. What a great day to be a Ute! Stars and ratings in recruiting do not mean much, but it is fun to see all those stars. Things just keep getting better and better in Salt Lake!

Congrats to Utah State, they signed the second best class in the state this year. That is very impressive and Gary Anderson is making the Aggies into a major program.

Not sure about the recruits in Provo. The best recruits are all headed on missions. That is great for them on a personal level, but when it comes to skills the level of talent disappears a bit when the go on missions. So if you take that into consideration, I am not sure the new class of recruits in Provo is up to the standard of years past.

StGtoSLC
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

"Coach Gary Anderson also managed to sign the top running back prospect in the state Nick Vigil."

Not quite, that kid's going to Ann Arbor. Good luck in the Maize and Blue, Sione! And good luck to all of these kids.

Ufan
Salt Lake City, UT

Here's ESPN Recruiting's Pac-12 rankings with a letter grade. The (number) is the national ranking.

1. USC: A (4)
2. Oregon: B (14)
3. California: B (17)
4. Stanford: B (20)
5. Washington: B- (23)
6. Oregon State: C+
7. Arizona: C+
8. Utah: C+
9. Arizona State: C
10. Washington State: C-
11. UCLA: C-
12. Colorado: D

A later ranking had Colorado 6th and Utah 10th.

JustGordon
Cottonwood Heights, UT

The evaluation of any recruiting class really can't be done until the young men recruited have played full time for a year or two. Realistically, we should be evaluating 2009's recruiting class since they will be juniors this upcoming season

All the other grading of recruiting classes is often times just so much hype to get recruiting junkies to buy a site's access. Remember, Alex Smith was a two star and he made it to the NFC finals this year and other prospects have been 4 and 5 stars and have long since transferred because they were not going to play much.

It is good to have size and speed in a recruiting class, neither of which one can coach. After that, all the rest is merely hopeful anticipation.

Nice job, Coach Whit on the size and the speed! We trust the character and desire is there as well!

Proud Ute
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"Twelve returning missionaries limited the scholarship count this season, and if you were to add those twelve to the list of signees you'd see BYU make a huge jump in the national rankings."

Sorry Brandon, you only get to count your best recruits once. Got to appreciate the consistent effort to distort reality though.

Striker
Omaha, NE

It will be near impossible to know how good USU's team will be this year. The WAC was rated dead last almost all of last year. Now the 3 best teams, Hawai'i, Fresno, and Nevada are leaving with a bunch of new schools who have never played D1 football. One of the cellar dwellars will be champion overnight. Seeing how both the MAC and Sun Belt improved a ton last year, and the WAC really didn't do anything, it will be hard for any school to get any respect, although more schools should make it to bowl games.

"Congrats to Utah State, they signed the second best class in the state this year." According to who, you and your water cooler friends? I saw on ESPN Utah and BYU had 3 and 4 stars, and USU had none of those.

SoonerUte
Salt Lake City, UT

Eleven of the PAC 12 teams are in the Rivals to 50. Great to see the Utes right in the middle of that. USC and Oregon will continue to snag those top recruits, but Utah coaching can make up some of the difference. Nice job on recruiting this year!

Go Big Blue!!!
Bountiful, UT

USU dominated the y in 2010 and it took a former Aggie for the y to comeback in the 4th quarter against USU in 2011. The Aggies have earned respect with Andersen at the helm.

Not sure why someone from NE feels the constant need to cast stones at USU. They do say jealousy is the greatest form of flatery.

Mmars01
Lehi, UT

@Go Big Blue

So by your logic, any success the utes have is because of the larger part of their coaching staff being former BYU players?

TJ
Eagle Mountain, UT

bigutefan;
I detect the ugly head of insecurity peeking out of your comment. BYU will do very well with their RM's. Some are ready within a few months and some take longer but they have who they need to be very successful. U had a great recruiting class. BYU and USU did very well also. BYU's average overall star ranking is only a couple of 10ths different than Utah at both Rivals and scout. Scout has BYU higher than Utah. Not quite domination U eluded to is it.

Go Big Blue!!!
Bountiful, UT

My logic is that USU has proven that it is moving forward. It was competitive in every game last season, something that couldn't be said before Andersen became the coach. I can guarantee that the Y's players and coaches no longer overlooks the Aggies. The weak WAC teams that striker points out are the same teams that the cougars load up their schedule with. It is just as hard to determine how good the Y is as it is USU.

Striker always predicts doom and gloom for USU. The flawed logic is that BYU is always a NC calibar program and that USU is doomed to remain in the cellar. The reality is that they currently are not that far apart on the field. Recent history supports that the Aggies are making dramatic progress.

CO Ute
PARKER, CO

I am very excited to see the U pull in a large number of recruits and some very big kids this year. After repeated hearing about another team finishing #25 in the rankings, it is only fitting to mention that every recruiting service had the U ranked higher - typically at least 20 spots higher - than the Y.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

I don't particularly care about star rankings, or put any credence in them, but for the star struck utah "fans" let's just note the following. One service (Scout) has BYU's recruits with a higher average star ranking than utah's, while the other (rivals) has utah's average slightly higher. Both are very close. utah has more overall recruits which makes their final position ranking higher but as for the quality of the individual recruits it is about the same.

BYU actually has at least 3 recruits, Mangum, Pau'u and Hinds, that are higher ranked for their positions than any recruits utah has at any position so the top quality recruits for BYU are in fact "better" recruits than anything utah got.

But of course I do not expect any utah "fans" to be able to comprehend any of this as they are still hopelessly euphoric about their new o.c. hire.

LOL!

Papa Smurf UTE
Herriman, UT

TJ,

Actually Scout as of this morning, Feb 2nd, has the UTES ranked at 32 with a point total of 2,343 and the Cougs ranked at 58 with a point total of 1,611. That is a difference of 732 points, and 26 spots in the rankings. So with schools like Temple, Indiana, Purdue, Syracuse, North Western, Vandy, and Maryland ahead of U, and behind us, I would elude to it as the Y being dominated by the U. Now we all know that recruting classes dont mean anything until the players pan out, but the ranking points, and scores that Scout and Rivals gives us is all we can go on right now, and the UTES had a better class on both sites. Rivals does not even go past 50 on their site, and the UTES were 28th as of 9 this morning, and well, the Y, they were not even ranked. Also, you cannot count the RM's twice. So dont tell me about all the RM's coming back into the program. They counted for your 08 or 09 classes.

duggity
Bountiful, UT

@Duckhunter.

"BYU actually has 3 recruits...that are higher ranked for their positions than any recruits utah has at any position..."

According to scout which you always seem to use for your comparisons, the highest ranked BYU recruit for his position is a 3 star full back named Leuta-Douyere, who is ranked #4 for his position, followed by Tanner Mangum who is ranked #15 for his position.

Utahs top rated recruit for his position is Hiva Lutui, a 4 star rated center, ranked at #3 for his position, so yet again your "facts" are exposed as dishonest. But really, is anyone here surprised?

We're all looking forward to seeing how you try to spin this one.

TJ
Eagle Mountain, UT

papasmurf;
I am a little surprised by your ignorance as to how the recruiting services work...or is it intentional smoke your blowing. All recruiting services rank each recruit with a number of points. The more recruits there are, the more point totals there are to add up. Utah ranks 28 with 28 recruits and an average star ranking of 2.71. BYU ranks 57th or thereabouts with 17 recruits and an average star rating of 2.88. BYU has several of their top freshman recruits leaving for missions this year but Utah will likely redshirt most of their freshman recruits also. The JC transfers and RM's will have a much greater impact than the freshmen on either team.
Of course you don't want me to bring the BYU RM's into it. It makes BYU look much better doesn't it. Truth is, BYU had the 22nd ranked class in 2010 and many more of those recruits will be on the field this year.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

"Twelve returning missionaries limited the scholarship count this season, and if you were to add those twelve to the list of signees you'd see BYU make a huge jump in the national rankings."

And I'm sure if every school were allowed to add 12 returning sophomores as part of their recruiting class, they'd see a huge jump in their national ranking as well. How come cougars keep trying to count the same recruits twice -- once when they commit, and then AGAIN when they return from their mission -- but wouldn't suggest discounting players like Mangum who won't be enrolling in the Spring or Fall?

gdog3finally
West Jordan, Utah

Looks like Utah waited to announce the new coaching changes until after securing their recriuts. Odd timing.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

*Typo Correction*

Head-to-head, Utah had 50 stars, compared to the 43 for the cougars.

Papa Smurf UTE
Herriman, UT

TJ,

Like I said, you can count those RM's for the class that they were in, and you did have a great class that year, headlined by St Jake, who is no longer with the team. Also, where is the Y on Rivals? I dont see them anywhere. If you want to count the RM's for this years class that are coming in, count them, but take out Mangum and others that are now leaving on their missions, and the class actually gets weaker. I honestly dont care either way how you look at it, or try to prove it to me. Both on Scout and Rivals the UTES were higher. Like I also said, that is the only thing that we can use right now to judge them until they play on the field. The Y may end up with the better class, but as for now with what the experts say, that goes to the Utes. Thanks for playing. Hopefully we see another 54-10 this year, or at the very least a 48-28. You may get a few more points now that you have another Collie on the team.

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