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Signing day analysis: Utah has best class ever, BYU and USU also very strong

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  • Aggie84 Idaho Falls, ID
    Feb. 7, 2012 11:23 p.m.

    Now we are talking smack in here. Isn't it great to see church basketball attitude off the court also.
    It has been a great season having the Ute fans attack the Y fans and to support the Aggies this year. We are now becoming the X factor in football throughout the state. Numbers are just numbers folks. It is the coaching that takes average players and turns them into North and West most valuable players. Thank you Utah for sharing your great coach "Anderson". I guess the Aggies returned the favor in sorts by sharing John L with the Wildcats. This is going to be the wildest football that the state has seen in a long time.
    Go Aggies

  • Christy B Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 6, 2012 10:30 p.m.

    PAC12Fan

    "Utah plays real football in a great league, with faster athletes, better coaches"

    ...which of course explains why Utah is constantly losing to conference bottom dwellers and 10-loss teams.

    Utah will NEVER have a bigger stadium than BYU because Hill is smart enough not to waste millions on seats that will seldom be filled by a perennial conference bottom dweller.

  • Hemlock Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 6, 2012 8:23 a.m.

    For all their hoorah, it's obvious that ute fans still obsessed with BYU.

  • PAC12Fan South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 4, 2012 7:57 p.m.

    Utah simply has better athletes and owns BYU. There is no comparison. Utah plays real football in a great league, with faster athletes, better coaches, and BYU is still a loner with nothing to play for. BYU has a bigger stadium but not for long.

  • bballjunkie Pleasant Grove, UT
    Feb. 4, 2012 5:56 p.m.

    And Ute fan says that Utah county lives in a bubble...OK, what ever you say ute fan spin it anyway you like.

  • u25 West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 4, 2012 3:22 p.m.

    according to espn the y signed 1 player in the top 10 in the state. I think your program is trending downward quite fast. you cant build a program when you lost your biggest recruiting base.

  • u25 West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 4, 2012 3:17 p.m.

    the y picked up 2 good players, the rest of there class was very poor. Butch the 3rd best player in the class went to Utah last June for an unofficial visit hoping for a scholarship and to play with his cousin but Utah coaches said they would not offer him.

  • oldcougar Orem, UT
    Feb. 4, 2012 9:05 a.m.

    Where are all the comments? Did I miss something?

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    Feb. 3, 2012 8:43 p.m.

    @bbjunkie - regarding the number of recruits signed, you don't have a valid argument here. USC signed only 15 recruits and was rated as a top 10 class by most services. Notre Dame (16) and Nebraska(17) were both considered top 25 classes in some reviews. The fact that Utah had a larger number of recruits is not why they were ranked higher. But to quote your phrase from your post ... when has a Coug fan ever used logic?

    For those comparing the average star rating of each school, that comparison isn't valid either unless both schools have a similar number of recruits. If you take the top 17 recruits from Utah compared to the 17 from BYU the average star rating isn't even close.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 3, 2012 3:38 p.m.

    @mussing around

    In the 3 rating services, Scout, Rivals, ESPN here are Utah 4 star recruits:

    Hansen, Hooker, Lutui, Poutasi, Salt, Thomas, Topouata, and York. Eight!

    And you swere correct, the Y had three.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Feb. 3, 2012 2:52 p.m.

    @who am i sir

    Of course that doesn't tell the whole story now does it? BYU gets committments from a large percentage of their recruits early, somtimes as early as sophomores, and this pretty much ends the recruiting process. It is well documented and reported that this is how they do it and you undoubtedly know this.

    utah, on the otherhand, was offering kids right up to the end and many of them didn't commit until the very end which means they are going to get more offers as they are uncommitted.

    Mangum is an excellent example of this as he committed to BYU long before his sr. season even started and before he went to the elite 11 and was the MVP. His committment to BYU was firm, never in doubt, so others didn't waste time and money pursuing him.

    Also BYU signs mostly LDS kids, once they commit to BYU other schools figure it is over and once again don't waste time and money pursuing kids that more than likely aren't going to change their committment.

    BYU is smart this way, get them to commit early and lessen the chance for others to change their minds.

  • AntelopeValleyUte Palmdale, CA
    Feb. 3, 2012 12:33 p.m.

    Why do you all debate about star rankings and act childish like "my dad is bigger than your dad" stupid stuff...we all just need to let the play on the field determine the end results. Some will be playing in post season bowl games, some will be playing in a conference title game, and some may even be playing in the BCS national championship game. Until that happens...go UTES!

  • SirTipsALot65 Hurricane, UT
    Feb. 3, 2012 9:08 a.m.

    @chicagoborn

    "I love how all the conversation is about Utah and not those two other junior colleges. Or are they community colleges? Maybe Division II? I don't really care. Utah Utes all day!"

    um maybe its because normal people have lives outside of college football in february... people do stuff man, if you want to argue about pointless things, find a better audience..... right? nevertheless, the recruiting for the three schools in seem to be legit, it looks as if the quality of each school is on the rise.... man Football is so great!

  • chicagoborn WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Feb. 3, 2012 7:47 a.m.

    I love how all the conversation is about Utah and not those two other junior colleges. Or are they community colleges? Maybe Division II? I don't really care. Utah Utes all day!

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Feb. 2, 2012 11:04 p.m.

    @ Mussing: Glad to see you read one of the three reporting sites for your informed statement. The problem is, the ONE that you looked at ignores JC transfers. If you had even tried to find real information, you would have found that 8 different Utes got 4 stars between the three reporting services, as opposed to the blew 3. So there goes your little argument. Nice try though.

    Why am I not surprised that jealous little brother cherry picks only the information he needs to feel better? But, when has reality stopped you from trying to make an argument?

    In the words of ducky "LOL"

    Oh it is great to be a UTE!!

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 2, 2012 10:57 p.m.

    The number of stars a recruit gets is one way to look at the class. Another way would be to look at the number of "offers" a recruit has.

    BYU"s class:

    One recruit, Hinds, had 15 offers (according to Scout and Rivals) 14 of which were from BCS schools. The remaining 16 recruits had a total of 35 offers (and average of 2.2 per recruits of which 14 were from BCS schools (an average of less than 1 per recruit.) In addition 9 recruits received only an offer from BYU. Two others had 2 offers each - BYU and one other school.

    In contrast:

    Utah's class.

    Averaged 5.9 offers per recruit. (158 offers for 28 recruits) 100 of these offers were from BCS schools (and average of 3.6 per recruit.)

    In addition the most significant aspect of recruiting differential was after approximately the 15th recruit signed. rivals indicated a total of 94 total recruits had listed the Y as a school of interest. About the time the Y had signed 15 there were few recruits left for the Y to get that had any stars. In contrast the U (listed as a school of interest by over 300 recruits) through signing day were signing 3 star recruits and missing out on several 3 and 4 star recruits.

    I guess it could be said of the Y recruits, "Most (not all?) qualified to do it all." (Now that says a lot ..... or nothing!)

  • bballjunkie Pleasant Grove, UT
    Feb. 2, 2012 7:04 p.m.

    I love how ute fan still does not take into consideration that BYU signed 17 compared to their 26 plus. That has a big impact for overall rating. But when has ute fan ever used logic. lol

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    Feb. 2, 2012 6:04 p.m.

    delusional 3:35 p.m.

    All of those recruits, and still U lose to another 10-loss team, at home, finish with a losing record in the PAC 12, and out of the Top 25, again.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    Feb. 2, 2012 5:56 p.m.

    Got laugh at the arrogant Utah fans beating their chests about signing one measly four-star recruit.

    4-Star Recruits

    BYU - 3
    Tanner Mangum - #11 QB
    Troy Hinds - #28 DE
    Butch Pauu - #15 ILB

    Utah - 1
    Reshawn Hooker - #21 OLB

    So much for being a mighty PAC 12 school.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 2, 2012 3:35 p.m.

    @ Duckhunter | 2:55 p.m. Feb. 2, 2012
    Highland, UT

    All these great recruits and still 54-10 and off to Tulsa.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Feb. 2, 2012 2:55 p.m.

    @duggity

    "According to scout which you always seem to use for your comparisons"

    Uh.....no. I don't. I don't put any credence in any of them. But utah "fans" like yourself or naval lint love rivals so let's see what they say.

    Tanner Mangum #3 rated QB
    Troy Hinds #14 rated DE
    Butch Pau'u #20 rated LB
    Leuta-Doueyre #4 rated FB - I didn't know about this thanks for telling me.

    Hiva Lutui....well it looks like you're trying to pull a fast one here...rivals has him rated the #31 offensive guard, and a 3 star one at that.

    Hmmmmmmm........it appears truthiness may not be your strong point......LOL!

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    Feb. 2, 2012 1:56 p.m.

    TJ,

    Like I said, you can count those RM's for the class that they were in, and you did have a great class that year, headlined by St Jake, who is no longer with the team. Also, where is the Y on Rivals? I dont see them anywhere. If you want to count the RM's for this years class that are coming in, count them, but take out Mangum and others that are now leaving on their missions, and the class actually gets weaker. I honestly dont care either way how you look at it, or try to prove it to me. Both on Scout and Rivals the UTES were higher. Like I also said, that is the only thing that we can use right now to judge them until they play on the field. The Y may end up with the better class, but as for now with what the experts say, that goes to the Utes. Thanks for playing. Hopefully we see another 54-10 this year, or at the very least a 48-28. You may get a few more points now that you have another Collie on the team.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 2, 2012 1:52 p.m.

    *Typo Correction*

    Head-to-head, Utah had 50 stars, compared to the 43 for the cougars.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Feb. 2, 2012 1:32 p.m.

    Looks like Utah waited to announce the new coaching changes until after securing their recriuts. Odd timing.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 2, 2012 1:20 p.m.

    "Twelve returning missionaries limited the scholarship count this season, and if you were to add those twelve to the list of signees you'd see BYU make a huge jump in the national rankings."

    And I'm sure if every school were allowed to add 12 returning sophomores as part of their recruiting class, they'd see a huge jump in their national ranking as well. How come cougars keep trying to count the same recruits twice -- once when they commit, and then AGAIN when they return from their mission -- but wouldn't suggest discounting players like Mangum who won't be enrolling in the Spring or Fall?

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    Feb. 2, 2012 12:19 p.m.

    papasmurf;
    I am a little surprised by your ignorance as to how the recruiting services work...or is it intentional smoke your blowing. All recruiting services rank each recruit with a number of points. The more recruits there are, the more point totals there are to add up. Utah ranks 28 with 28 recruits and an average star ranking of 2.71. BYU ranks 57th or thereabouts with 17 recruits and an average star rating of 2.88. BYU has several of their top freshman recruits leaving for missions this year but Utah will likely redshirt most of their freshman recruits also. The JC transfers and RM's will have a much greater impact than the freshmen on either team.
    Of course you don't want me to bring the BYU RM's into it. It makes BYU look much better doesn't it. Truth is, BYU had the 22nd ranked class in 2010 and many more of those recruits will be on the field this year.

  • duggity Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 2, 2012 11:53 a.m.

    @Duckhunter.

    "BYU actually has 3 recruits...that are higher ranked for their positions than any recruits utah has at any position..."

    According to scout which you always seem to use for your comparisons, the highest ranked BYU recruit for his position is a 3 star full back named Leuta-Douyere, who is ranked #4 for his position, followed by Tanner Mangum who is ranked #15 for his position.

    Utahs top rated recruit for his position is Hiva Lutui, a 4 star rated center, ranked at #3 for his position, so yet again your "facts" are exposed as dishonest. But really, is anyone here surprised?

    We're all looking forward to seeing how you try to spin this one.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    Feb. 2, 2012 10:44 a.m.

    TJ,

    Actually Scout as of this morning, Feb 2nd, has the UTES ranked at 32 with a point total of 2,343 and the Cougs ranked at 58 with a point total of 1,611. That is a difference of 732 points, and 26 spots in the rankings. So with schools like Temple, Indiana, Purdue, Syracuse, North Western, Vandy, and Maryland ahead of U, and behind us, I would elude to it as the Y being dominated by the U. Now we all know that recruting classes dont mean anything until the players pan out, but the ranking points, and scores that Scout and Rivals gives us is all we can go on right now, and the UTES had a better class on both sites. Rivals does not even go past 50 on their site, and the UTES were 28th as of 9 this morning, and well, the Y, they were not even ranked. Also, you cannot count the RM's twice. So dont tell me about all the RM's coming back into the program. They counted for your 08 or 09 classes.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Feb. 2, 2012 10:29 a.m.

    I don't particularly care about star rankings, or put any credence in them, but for the star struck utah "fans" let's just note the following. One service (Scout) has BYU's recruits with a higher average star ranking than utah's, while the other (rivals) has utah's average slightly higher. Both are very close. utah has more overall recruits which makes their final position ranking higher but as for the quality of the individual recruits it is about the same.

    BYU actually has at least 3 recruits, Mangum, Pau'u and Hinds, that are higher ranked for their positions than any recruits utah has at any position so the top quality recruits for BYU are in fact "better" recruits than anything utah got.

    But of course I do not expect any utah "fans" to be able to comprehend any of this as they are still hopelessly euphoric about their new o.c. hire.

    LOL!

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    Feb. 2, 2012 10:21 a.m.

    I am very excited to see the U pull in a large number of recruits and some very big kids this year. After repeated hearing about another team finishing #25 in the rankings, it is only fitting to mention that every recruiting service had the U ranked higher - typically at least 20 spots higher - than the Y.

  • Go Big Blue!!! Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 2, 2012 10:12 a.m.

    My logic is that USU has proven that it is moving forward. It was competitive in every game last season, something that couldn't be said before Andersen became the coach. I can guarantee that the Y's players and coaches no longer overlooks the Aggies. The weak WAC teams that striker points out are the same teams that the cougars load up their schedule with. It is just as hard to determine how good the Y is as it is USU.

    Striker always predicts doom and gloom for USU. The flawed logic is that BYU is always a NC calibar program and that USU is doomed to remain in the cellar. The reality is that they currently are not that far apart on the field. Recent history supports that the Aggies are making dramatic progress.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    Feb. 2, 2012 9:53 a.m.

    bigutefan;
    I detect the ugly head of insecurity peeking out of your comment. BYU will do very well with their RM's. Some are ready within a few months and some take longer but they have who they need to be very successful. U had a great recruiting class. BYU and USU did very well also. BYU's average overall star ranking is only a couple of 10ths different than Utah at both Rivals and scout. Scout has BYU higher than Utah. Not quite domination U eluded to is it.

  • Mmars01 Lehi, UT
    Feb. 2, 2012 9:33 a.m.

    @Go Big Blue

    So by your logic, any success the utes have is because of the larger part of their coaching staff being former BYU players?

  • Go Big Blue!!! Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 2, 2012 9:07 a.m.

    USU dominated the y in 2010 and it took a former Aggie for the y to comeback in the 4th quarter against USU in 2011. The Aggies have earned respect with Andersen at the helm.

    Not sure why someone from NE feels the constant need to cast stones at USU. They do say jealousy is the greatest form of flatery.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 2, 2012 8:44 a.m.

    Eleven of the PAC 12 teams are in the Rivals to 50. Great to see the Utes right in the middle of that. USC and Oregon will continue to snag those top recruits, but Utah coaching can make up some of the difference. Nice job on recruiting this year!

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    Feb. 2, 2012 6:44 a.m.

    It will be near impossible to know how good USU's team will be this year. The WAC was rated dead last almost all of last year. Now the 3 best teams, Hawai'i, Fresno, and Nevada are leaving with a bunch of new schools who have never played D1 football. One of the cellar dwellars will be champion overnight. Seeing how both the MAC and Sun Belt improved a ton last year, and the WAC really didn't do anything, it will be hard for any school to get any respect, although more schools should make it to bowl games.

    "Congrats to Utah State, they signed the second best class in the state this year." According to who, you and your water cooler friends? I saw on ESPN Utah and BYU had 3 and 4 stars, and USU had none of those.

  • Proud Ute ,
    Feb. 2, 2012 5:57 a.m.

    "Twelve returning missionaries limited the scholarship count this season, and if you were to add those twelve to the list of signees you'd see BYU make a huge jump in the national rankings."

    Sorry Brandon, you only get to count your best recruits once. Got to appreciate the consistent effort to distort reality though.

  • JustGordon Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 2, 2012 4:25 a.m.

    The evaluation of any recruiting class really can't be done until the young men recruited have played full time for a year or two. Realistically, we should be evaluating 2009's recruiting class since they will be juniors this upcoming season

    All the other grading of recruiting classes is often times just so much hype to get recruiting junkies to buy a site's access. Remember, Alex Smith was a two star and he made it to the NFC finals this year and other prospects have been 4 and 5 stars and have long since transferred because they were not going to play much.

    It is good to have size and speed in a recruiting class, neither of which one can coach. After that, all the rest is merely hopeful anticipation.

    Nice job, Coach Whit on the size and the speed! We trust the character and desire is there as well!

  • Ufan Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 1, 2012 11:51 p.m.

    Here's ESPN Recruiting's Pac-12 rankings with a letter grade. The (number) is the national ranking.

    1. USC: A (4)
    2. Oregon: B (14)
    3. California: B (17)
    4. Stanford: B (20)
    5. Washington: B- (23)
    6. Oregon State: C+
    7. Arizona: C+
    8. Utah: C+
    9. Arizona State: C
    10. Washington State: C-
    11. UCLA: C-
    12. Colorado: D

    A later ranking had Colorado 6th and Utah 10th.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Feb. 1, 2012 11:39 p.m.

    "Coach Gary Anderson also managed to sign the top running back prospect in the state Nick Vigil."

    Not quite, that kid's going to Ann Arbor. Good luck in the Maize and Blue, Sione! And good luck to all of these kids.

  • bigutefan Las Vegas, NV
    Feb. 1, 2012 11:29 p.m.

    Congrats to the Utah coaches for putting together an amazing class of talent. It amazes me what you can get when you are a BCS program. What a great day to be a Ute! Stars and ratings in recruiting do not mean much, but it is fun to see all those stars. Things just keep getting better and better in Salt Lake!

    Congrats to Utah State, they signed the second best class in the state this year. That is very impressive and Gary Anderson is making the Aggies into a major program.

    Not sure about the recruits in Provo. The best recruits are all headed on missions. That is great for them on a personal level, but when it comes to skills the level of talent disappears a bit when the go on missions. So if you take that into consideration, I am not sure the new class of recruits in Provo is up to the standard of years past.