Big Rich- Whoa- "stale religious bigotry"?! Lemme know if teling the
world that "all their professors, creeds and Bible" is corrupt falls
into your category.That's not stale in my book, that's blatant.But what do I know- I'm just a Christian, and we believe that Jesus "is
the Way, the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father but by Me."
It's unfortunate that so many in the evangelical community reject Osteen. He's
a breath of fresh air in an atmosphere of stale religious bigotry.
Re:pragmatistferlifeAll the Best!!!!
Grundel.."Some of us see God every day. My belief is that if you search for
God long enough, you too will see him." Actually it was that very search
that left me an atheist. When I finally became honest with myself I knew that a
belief in God didn't explain how I experienced the world, rather when I finally
accepted the world, as brief, random, indifferent, and cruel, things feel into
place. I found that I had choices to accept and to try and change the
world..but it is what it is and God doesn't add any value to the explanation.
Joel Olsteen is a good man. He says many wise things.
re:pragmatistferlifeI want to substitute a word into your reasoning
here...If the sun is not the author of confusion...and confusion
exsists...the implication is that man is the creator of the confusion not the
sun...isn't reasonable to conclude that man created the religions conducting the
confusion...and that the sun doesn't exsist...just the man made confusion? My point?The Sun exists. We see it every day. Religions
and whole belief systems have arisen that are convoluted and evidently not true
based on the sun, moon, stars, and seasons. Deities have been created and
behavioral mores established in the name of those deities. Despite the
confusion...the Sun exists. We see it every day. Even on a day that is
overcast or the dead of night, there is evidence that the sun exists.Some of us see God every day. My belief is that if you search for God long
enough, you too will see him.
Is not an unspoken endorsement an endorsement non the lessWhy is
this an issue? If a man states he is Christian, who among us have the right or
ability to declare otherwise? Whether it's Romney or Obama no person can make
that judgement. This is one of the reasons religion has no business in
government. If you are so insecure in your faith that you expect approval of
other faiths then you need to reevaluate things. I don't believe dogma will save
Christians seem to always forget they have more in common then differences.
Some trifle doctrine isn't anything to get wound up about. We live in a big
world, embrace commonality, not differences. It will make your life easier.
Osteen is a shining example of how Christians should be acting towards each
other. Take a lesson from this guy.
I was taught in Primary and Sunday School to pray for our leaders, ALL of
them.Today's hatred and outright lopsided disrepect for some of our
leaders while giving a Free pass to others by some LDS members, only adds to the
confusion that Mormons are Christians.In the Championship of who's
the True Christian:Pastor Joel Olsteen - 1some Utah Mormons -
You're clawing for every scrap of mainstream credibility you can, and it's
obvious it's because that's where the political power is. And why we need to
keep church private and politics public. And separate from one another.
The LDS church has not endorsed a canidate, it's true. It's PAPER,
prints out stories favoring one, but NOT the church. However, we DO
have examples of the LDS church getting involved in politics: **'LDS
Church's in-kind donations to Prop. 8 total $190K' - By Lynn Arave - By Dsnews -
02/03/09 And not JUST this one: Prop 8 supporters:
2008:: Amendment 3 2004:: interracial marriage 1967:: segregationists: 1954::
Polygamy supporters 1890. So, to review, Pasor Joel Osteen IS an
excellent example of what it means to be Christian. To avoid saying negative
things of both canidates, and praying in SUPPORT, for either side.
Other Christian faiths...? Not so much.
'When just a few years ago they were accusing Obama of being Muslim.' - The Real
Maverick | 8:56 a.m. Feb. 2, 2012 LESS THAN, one year ago: **'Trump on Obama's Birth Certificate: 'Maybe It Says He's a Muslim' - Fox
Nation - 03/30/11 But after this: **'Fox News host:
Romney not Christian' - By Hal Boyd, Deseret News - 07/17/11 **'Rick
Perry backer decries Mitt Romney, Mormons' - By Jamshid Ghazi Askar, Deseret
News - 10/08/11 **Cult of Mormon comment leads Newt Gingrichs Iowa
political director, Craig Bergman, to resign - By Tad Walch Deseret News
12/14/11 **Rick Santorum-backing pastor plays the Mormon cult card
By Joseph Walker Deseret News 01/20/2012 suddenly, politicis is
NOT about religion. FYI, those examples of criticizing over
religion? None of them, are Obama.
Gotta love how repubs are asking that religion not be a part of the election.When just a few years ago they were accusing Obama of being Muslim. Like everything the GOP does today, it stinks of hypocrisy.
Dear higv..if God is not the author of confusion..and confusion exsists..the
implication is that man is the creator of the confusion not God..isn't
reasonable to conclude that man created the religions conducting the
confusion..and that God doesn't exsist..just the man made confusion?
I generally agree with this letter. My issue has to do with listening to
Mormons pray in church. Over the years, I heard them pray for the welfare of
Republican presidents, but rarely for Democratic presidents. Doesn't this
reinforce the cultural connection between the church and the GOP? Is this
really in the interests of the Church to be so closely identified with one
party? Shouldn't we pray for the success of whomever is President?
Of course people disagree doctrinally with eac other and since the Lord is not
the author of confusion diffrent doctrines can't be right. Good to find the
truth and live it. However those who elect not to worship with us that is there
right thoug we would like them to worship with us. We can still help each other
in terms of living better lives and community betterment all worthhile goals.