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Published: Wednesday, Feb. 1 2012 5:29 p.m. MST

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Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

"...the most qualified class to do it all...the standards are not going down. They are going up and they are going up in all areas."

Except that the numbers don't support that position. According to Rivals, which only ranks the Top-50 recruiting classes, the cougars ranked #50 and #40 respectively in 2009 and 2010...back when they were recruiting in the MWC. But once they started recruiting in the WAC in 2011 and 2012, their recruiting classes remained unranked. And that reflects a step DOWN.

Even the cougar-friendly Scout site shows a decrease in standards. Scout DOES rank classes outside of the Top-50, and their site shows Mendenhall's "MWC" recruiting classes as follows: #53 [2005], #46 [2006], #42 [2007], #57 [2008], #40 [2009], and #22 [2010]. That's an average ranking of "43". And even by throwing out the highest and lowest ranked classes to come toward a "mode range", it averages to "45". But once the cougars dropped down to the WAC, their recruiting rank fell to #66 and #58 for 2011 and 2012 respectively. Again, this reflects a step DOWN.

It seems to me the cougars' "most qualified" class was the 2010 class, and that class' headliner is now a Jayhawk. I just don't see this alleged accretion in "standards" Mendenhall is trying to sell to his disciples. Are you cougar fans really buying this?

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Cougar Passion:

"...the problems with Heaps likely could have been prevented by not starting him right out of high school. We need to emphasize to the highly recruited that they are wanted here, but they will not be coddled."

True, but Mendenhall and Doman were the one who molly-coddled him. Heaps came IN with an attitude of entitlement, and neither coach did anything to reign him in. In fact, they enabled him with comments about how they had to constantly remind themselves that Heaps was only a Freshman because he was supposedly "that good".

And for the record, Wynn started as a true freshman. One doesn't see any sense of entitlement from him. That could be due to "good coaching".

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

worf:

"If a BCS game comes, the cougs will get it first."

The cougars couldn't even get a BCS game back when they were in the MWC. Now that they're not in ANY conference, their road to the BCS just got harder. Without a Top-2 final BCS ranking, no BCS for you. Beating WAC teams only gets one into the BCS if they finish undefeated, and are playing in a conference. And the cougars won't do either.

jarka-rus
Layton, Utah

Naval Vet

Good grief, thanks for doing sooo much in depth research on your Big Brother, really let's us know how much you love Byu and everything about its football program. Stats, numbers, Sagarin, shoe size, blah blah blah, you utes and your mumbo jumbo. So extrapolate for us how it was possible for the #1 LSU Tigers to get shutout of the biggest game of the college football season(according to BS pundits), they surely had stats up the wazzoo, were the only undefeated team, had every top athlete playing for them according to Rivals, Usa today, max prep, espn, etc. etc. How could a team supposedly that loaded and good, not score a single point?!?!?!

And a #110 ranked offense, losing to a two win team, finishing 8-5. Talk about a massive step DOWN!

IndeMak
South Jordan, UT

"Mendenhall calls 2012 class 'most qualified to do it all!" What Bronco is saying is that BYU continues to have teams that will smash the lower tier WAC and MWC and lose to everyone else. This team is geared up to play Army this year in one of the lowest bowl games imaginable. If BYU can somehow squeak out 6 wins. Their schedule is tougher and may not win 6 games as the talent may not be there.

Y Grad / Y Dad
Richland, WA

I don't believe that was a swipe at Heaps. Anybody who has been watching since he's been here knows that Bronco isn't overly fond of the whole recruiting gig in general. He has taken swipes at "entitled" recruits long before Heaps.

As for the rest, "gnashing of teeth" comes to mind. You guys are sad.

Just Smiling
BOUNTIFUL, UT

I don't get it.....look at the list of recruits- Most qualified in all areas? Recruits- will go on a mission first- Utah- 5 byu?

Rational
Salt Lake City, UT

@Naval Vet

"Even the cougar-friendly Scout site shows a decrease in standards. Scout DOES rank classes outside of the Top-50, and their site shows Mendenhall's "MWC" recruiting classes as follows: #53 [2005], #46 [2006], #42 [2007], #57 [2008], #40 [2009], and #22 [2010]."
Naval Vet

So what you are saying, is that Utah's "best recruiting class ever" is not as good as BYU's 2010 class?

"By most national estimations the Utes just signed the best class in their history as a football program. The class was ranked 28th nationally by rivals and 32nd by scout.com"
Deseret News

Thanks for sharing, Naval Vet

JDL
Magna, UT

Naval:

You missed the whole point of Coach Mendenhall's comment. Did you even see the "do it all" part?

He was talking about much more than just on the field such as academics, kind of like Stanford, USC, Cal, UW, Oregon, Colorado, UCLA, AR, AR St, OR St, Wash St. Did I miss one? No, Utah is not included. According to Tom Cella of UTEZone, Utah only requires a 2.7 GPA (D+) the lowest in the PAC12. Tom is quoted as saying, KW will take advantage of the low academic standard for recruiting until he has to make the changes.

Stanford is truly a class program with high perfromance on the field and in the classroom, can Utah match them Time will tell.

Rational
Salt Lake City, UT

Every year, and I mean EVERY year, there is a rude and arrogant quote from Bronco -- toward the fans, toward a 60 year old guy attending a press conference, and now (another) toward a former player who isn't in the room to defend himself.

I never once heard a condescending comment from Coach Edwards, and he would be on the line for a 60 minute post game show, even after losses.

The most important sermon isn't over the pulpit at church, it is how we live. All the firesides in the world don't impress me, but Bronco's quotes and his constant scapegoating do, and not in a positive way.

Recruits read and hear these things, and these are going to catch up to Bronco and the Cougars some day, if they haven't already. Isn't a former BYU player's 4-star son going to Utah? I'm not surprised.

Y Grad / Y Dad
Richland, WA

Rational, you are being irrationally obtuse. I don't think he implied what you infer, but your remark was certainly "rude and arrogant".

I'll take my chances with Bronco over you.

kokua
KAYSVILLE, UT

Well we shall see ? I hope Bronco has matured in his head coach position. Hopefully, the excitement and all the media hype will not cloud his prospective.

I find it extremely ironic that despite the Coach's Corner show and all the inspirational books that he reads he never came across a book or story line that did not teach him that greatness is earned, that greatness comes after the sacrifice and effort.

Like I said we shall see.

TXBYUFAN
Spring, TX

Umm, JDL, a 2.7 GPA is not a D+. A 2.7 is a B-. Not too bad for athletes.

MiP
Iowa City, IA

Seems like some good recruits. Congrats on the recruiting class, BYU

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"Rational, you are being irrationally obtuse. I don't think he implied what you infer, but your remark was certainly "rude and arrogant"."
---Y Grad/Dad

I disagree. Bronco has said some things that can be infered by a great many people to be condescending, and Rational pointed some of those out. Most of us don't care. I don't. It's football and it's competition. But some Y fans insist BYU has a face to maintain, and you seem bent on believing it impossible that Mendenhall could have implied anything subtle to jab at those who he believes caused him grief. I don't think he's above that.
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"According to Tom Cella of UTEZone, Utah only requires a 2.7 GPA (D+) the lowest in the PAC12."
-JDL

A word of caution: tread lightly on academic smack. Especially if the inner workings of how GPA is calculated has confused you.

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"Ute fans...get over it, we're not your rival anymore. Put into place a scheme and game plan that can beat Colorado."
-Pugman

You'll have to expound on how FANS can put together a game plan to win games they aren't playing or coaching in.

StGtoSLC
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

"A word of caution: tread lightly on academic smack. Especially if the inner workings of how GPA is calculated has confused you."

YES!! Thank you for this. Also, considering Utah football has had very good APR, admission requirements don't seem to hurt them much.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Rational:

"So what you are saying, is that Utah's "best recruiting class ever" is not as good as BYU's 2010 class?"

Certainly not. In fact, if you had read that entire post, you would have noted I had ALSO said:

"According to Rivals, which only ranks the Top-50 recruiting classes, the cougars ranked #50 and #40 respectively in 2009 and 2010...back when they were recruiting in the MWC. But once they started recruiting in the WAC in 2011 and 2012, their recruiting classes remained unranked. And that reflects a step DOWN."

Back in 2009 and 2010, the Rivals ranked Utah's class as #44 and #32 respectively; or in other words, higher than the cougars'. I just didn't mention that since it didn't seem relevant to my post as it was directed toward what Bronco said about the cougars' recruiting class; not the Utes'.

And I've always maintained that Rivals has been the more accurate recruiting service than Scout, so whenever there's a comparison, I stick with Rivals. Short of a comparison -- such as when the cougars fail to make Rivals' Top-50, whereas Scout does -- then I have to use what's available. In the simplest of terms Rivals > Scout. Scout > nothing at all.

PAC12Fan
South Jordan, UT

I love making fun of BYU but I also like them being competitive. Until BYU joins a BCS conference, BYU will continue to get a few really good players and the rest are hopefuls. BYU simply won't be able to consistently compete with the better teams on their schedule. They will win a home game each year against a BCS opponent that is usually down. Their last signature win was against my Utes in 2009 in overtime. Their last big, big win was against Oklahoma the first game of that same year and it was shown that Oklahoma wasn't that great that year.

I enjoy when Utah and BYU are both good at the same time. I want to win all our games and then crush BYU. My opinion is that BYU will simply be one of the better of the mediocre teams until they can get into a BCS conference and recruit better. Need speed.

Ares
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Hey worf,

Worry about your own team. 54-10 is plenty to keep your team busy.

MLH
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

worf

As the duck hunter would say, this is the most delusional statement ever made by a cougar fan.

"If a BCS game comes, the cougs will get it first."

Keep those coke cups off the floor, nice try.

CFIT

This site will always be Utah vs BYU,

"In fairness, it looks like the Utes got one of their better recruiting classes, but they're still ranked as the 8th best recruiting class in the PAC12."

In fairnes BYU only has 4 teams to compare with, Notre Dame, Army, and Navy way to go you're # 2. Get over it buddy, go over to the Utah articles and see all the Cougar comments, you for one should know how the game is played.

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

Fans don't care about the GPA of players Bronco. Fans care about wins - especially against the big teams - something that hasn't happened for a while.

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