The DABC needs to be dismantled. Move liquor to the private sector. Things
that are reasonable and should stay: Don't sell liquor on Sunday. 11am to 10pm
sales of liquor. ID all people who buy liquor. Those are reasonable
restrictions on booze. Other than those items, anything more is just silly.
The irony of having 2 artilces about Utah's hypocrisy.
In one hand,
we have Government can't create jobs - Utah needs Government money.
and then we have --
Get Government out of Businesses, let the Free
Market decide, Don't change the heavy handed, 100% government controlled,
keep private business out of it -- Utah Liquor Laws!!!
Everyday - I
walk around with my head spinning from all the Utah hypocrisy.
This subject is the embodiment of the foolishness of the State of Utah. On one
hand you have Big Bad Brother and on the other hand you have his younger Brother
complaining that his toes have been stepped on. Who is really imposing on our
lives.
Let's let people drive 100 MPH
through school zones, after all government has no right to keep us from harming
ourselves. If kids are hurt, that's just part of the price that
"adults" demand so that they can get their kicks.
Let's
legalize drugs and require schools to teach proper "needle etiquette".
Schools have been sooo successful teaching kids how to practice "safe
sex". Government should have no right to keep "adults" from
buying drugs. If kids are hurt, that's just the price that "adults"
demand.
Let's let stupidity reign.
Let's let
liberal-minded self-professed intellects remove all safe-guards so that THEY can
show the world what their liberal ideas could do if they were just allowed to do
as they please.
Just think, if "we" would just leave
"them" alone, they would self-destruct and the problem would go away.
BUT, we care about the kids. We don't abort them. We don't drive like
"finger waving fools" through school zones. We don't let schools
teach "needle etiquette". We-care-about-the-kids!
@Mike Richards Your rant really said nothing, restriction on liquor is in
every state. Liquor is restricted to adults who are 21 and older. Utah adds
extra restrictions. Your fear mongering and extreme exaggerations bring nothing
to the table worthy of discussion. We already restrict liquor, and will
continue to do so. I dont' recall anyone suggesting ever that we remove
all safeguards for things like alcohol, driving, or drugs. Someone says
lets take a look at the laws on the books in Utah and we have you screaming
bloody murder, but its a distraction, because none of those things are going to
happen.
Like every other quasi government business, DABC will always be subject to a
lack of oversite, resulting in some measure of fraud. The state is willing to
not watch these entities due to the revenues that come in.
The
state needs to be out of the booze business. The control laws still will exist
but the cost risks can be born by private enterprise. Like tobacco.
'Let's let liberal-minded self-professed intellects remove all safe-guards so
that THEY can show the world what their liberal ideas could do if they were just
allowed to do as they please.' - Mike Richards | 1:55 p.m. Jan. 30, 2012
**'Utah DUI arrests DECLINE despite looser liquor law' - By BROCK
VERGAKIS - AP - Published by SL Tribune - 10/11/10
"Opening
Utahs bars to the public didnt result in an increase in drunk driving
arrests." - article
@Mike Richards. You really make my day some times. Certain restrictions are
alright but how does making drinks out of site of the customer do anything?
When does the right of the individual to drive drunk, to beat
his/her family, to have easily accessible liquor in the home that can be
consumed by children, become the governing factor in determining how liquor is
sold?
Liquor is available. Those who are old enough to buy liquor can
EASILY obtain it.
Controls are in place to keep liquor out of the
hands of those who cannot purchase it. Does anyone really think that the clerk
at the corner "liquor store" would not sell liquor to minors or to a
"friend" to those minors who happened to be passing by?
I
travel a lot for business. In Nevada, California and Idaho, there are privately
owned liquor stores. MANY TIMES, I've seen teenagers stop passers-by and pay
them to purchase alcohol. I've turned in more than a few. No, I don't lurk
around liquor stores and no, I don't buy liquor, but I am a citizen who believes
in the laws, and I am a father who knows that kids do stupid things, and I know
that many adults chase dollars without regard to our kids.
Of course it needs changing. The only people currently served by the insane liquor laws in Utah are the LDS who don't drink.
What an insightful letter! Thanks for taking the time to write it and publish it.
Grover, how did you possibly get that comment through the censors?
The DABC needs to be dismantled. Move liquor to the private sector. Things that are reasonable and should stay: Don't sell liquor on Sunday. 11am to 10pm sales of liquor. ID all people who buy liquor. Those are reasonable restrictions on booze. Other than those items, anything more is just silly.
The irony of having 2 artilces about Utah's hypocrisy.
In one hand, we have Government can't create jobs - Utah needs Government money.
and then we have --
Get Government out of Businesses, let the Free Market decide,
Don't change the heavy handed, 100% government controlled, keep private business out of it -- Utah Liquor Laws!!!
Everyday - I walk around with my head spinning from all the Utah hypocrisy.
Businesses are turning away from Utah due to a lack of liquor licenses.
You may not believe government can create jobs, but you have to admit -- government can kill jobs.
This subject is the embodiment of the foolishness of the State of Utah. On one hand you have Big Bad Brother and on the other hand you have his younger Brother complaining that his toes have been stepped on. Who is really imposing on our lives.
Define Conservatism. Then Define Socialism. Then tell me what category the the DABC falls into.
Let's get rid of all restrictions!
Let's let people drive 100 MPH through school zones, after all government has no right to keep us from harming ourselves. If kids are hurt, that's just part of the price that "adults" demand so that they can get their kicks.
Let's legalize drugs and require schools to teach proper "needle etiquette". Schools have been sooo successful teaching kids how to practice "safe sex". Government should have no right to keep "adults" from buying drugs. If kids are hurt, that's just the price that "adults" demand.
Let's let stupidity reign.
Let's let liberal-minded self-professed intellects remove all safe-guards so that THEY can show the world what their liberal ideas could do if they were just allowed to do as they please.
Just think, if "we" would just leave "them" alone, they would self-destruct and the problem would go away. BUT, we care about the kids. We don't abort them. We don't drive like "finger waving fools" through school zones. We don't let schools teach "needle etiquette". We-care-about-the-kids!
Restricting liquor sales is a small price to pay.
@Mike Richards
Your rant really said nothing, restriction on liquor is in every state. Liquor is restricted to adults who are 21 and older. Utah adds extra restrictions. Your fear mongering and extreme exaggerations bring nothing to the table worthy of discussion.
We already restrict liquor, and will continue to do so.
I dont' recall anyone suggesting ever that we remove all safeguards for things like alcohol, driving, or drugs.
Someone says lets take a look at the laws on the books in Utah and we have you screaming bloody murder, but its a distraction, because none of those things are going to happen.
Like every other quasi government business, DABC will always be subject to a lack of oversite, resulting in some measure of fraud. The state is willing to not watch these entities due to the revenues that come in.
The state needs to be out of the booze business. The control laws still will exist but the cost risks can be born by private enterprise. Like tobacco.
@mike richards
thats right we can either have over zealous restrictions that do not really address public safety issues or no restrictions at all.
Sunday isn't special. If it's legal let any private business sell it whenever they can make money.
If you're going to live by the 'business, not government' then live it and do away with all restrictions concerning where and when it can be sold.
'Let's let liberal-minded self-professed intellects remove all safe-guards so that THEY can show the world what their liberal ideas could do if they were just allowed to do as they please.' - Mike Richards | 1:55 p.m. Jan. 30, 2012
**'Utah DUI arrests DECLINE despite looser liquor law' - By BROCK VERGAKIS - AP - Published by SL Tribune - 10/11/10
"Opening Utahs bars to the public didnt result in an increase in drunk driving arrests." - article
Me:
Rant, meet Fact.
So which are we, personal freedom and responsibility or nanny state?
@Mike Richards. You really make my day some times. Certain restrictions are alright but how does making drinks out of site of the customer do anything?
Read the posts and then tell me that the laws should not be even more restrictive.
Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah
Read the posts and then tell me that the laws should not be even more restrictive.
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The laws should not be even more restrictive.
Lane,
When does the right of the individual to drive drunk, to beat his/her family, to have easily accessible liquor in the home that can be consumed by children, become the governing factor in determining how liquor is sold?
Liquor is available. Those who are old enough to buy liquor can EASILY obtain it.
Controls are in place to keep liquor out of the hands of those who cannot purchase it. Does anyone really think that the clerk at the corner "liquor store" would not sell liquor to minors or to a "friend" to those minors who happened to be passing by?
I travel a lot for business. In Nevada, California and Idaho, there are privately owned liquor stores. MANY TIMES, I've seen teenagers stop passers-by and pay them to purchase alcohol. I've turned in more than a few. No, I don't lurk around liquor stores and no, I don't buy liquor, but I am a citizen who believes in the laws, and I am a father who knows that kids do stupid things, and I know that many adults chase dollars without regard to our kids.
People in Utah can buy all the alcohol they want.
'People in Utah can buy all the alcohol they want.' - Mike Richards | 8:56 a.m. Jan. 31, 2012
Just...
not on Sundays.
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