mussingaround: "Try bringing something relevant into the conversation like
what national awards has Utah ever received."Umm no, because
that's actually not relevant to my conversation. I won't stoop to the level of
whipping out measuring sticks. We'll see in September which coach has his team
ready to play against the other one again. If some back-and-forth chest-puffing
is what you want over NFL players, pro bowlers, all-americans, etc, etc, ask
Naval Vet or Vegas Ute, I'm sure they'll oblige. That's an exercise in futility,
however, so I prefer actual topical dialogue.The original claim was:
"BYU is bringing in 2 QB recruits that are better than any the utes could
hope for." It's wrong. End of story for me.
StGtoSLCTry bringing something relevant into the conversation like
what national awards has Utah ever received. Even during your "glory
years", BYU still managed to finish in the Top 25 more often:Bronco - 5 of 7 years, 3 in the Top 15Kyle - 3 of 7 years, 1 in the Top
Haha my bad, don't know how I managed to repeat the same line in the middle of
Hawkeye79,From what I understand of the situation, the Montana State
and Boise State scheduling are completely unrelated. Iowa State bought out the
contract with Utah, which was replaced by Montana State for the opening week.
The BYU and Pitt games were already scheduled, along with a 9-game conference
schedule. The BYU and Pitt games were also already scheduled. For Utah to play
Boise, they would have had to drop one of those two games, as Boise played
Georgia opening week.Nice moniker, btw, Iowa's been my favorite Big
10 team to watch the last 10 years or so.
Lonestar, try bringing something relevant to the conversation I was having
instead of typical "look at our awards from our glory years" trash
Hi Naval Vet,I appreciate your response, however you must still face
the fact that Utah backed out of dates with Boise State in 2011, 2012 and 2013.
As far as I am aware, there is no requirement that a team must play 6 home and 6
away games each season. In fact, as a Naval vet, I'm sure you're aware that
Navy played only 5 home games last year. Harvard did the same.When
faced with the choice of a challenge (playing a solid team on the road) or a
cupcake (FCS school at home), Utah chose the cupcake. Either game could have
been dropped, but Utah chose to keep Montana St. over Boise State. People can
decide for themselves whether they consider that the decision of a great team or
a team desperate for an easy win. Again, to each his (or her) own.
In 2013, the only BCS bowl will be the BCS championship game.The
Orange, Sugar, Fiesta, and Rose Bowls will be lumped back in with the other
bowls. The term "BCS Bowl" will be meaningless and all of this
conference musical chairs shuffling for AQ status will be for naught.
Before talking about "superiority" on a national scale, Utah should
first try to win at least one national award.*crickets*
StGtoSLCIt's VAST superiority from a national perspective; and it's
not even close:National ChampsionshipsBYU 1Utah 0Heiman Trophy WinnersBYU 1Utah 0Top 25
FinishesBYU 18Utah 7Top 10 FinishesBYU 4Utah
3Top 15 FinishesBYU 10Utah 3National College
Football Hall of Fame InducteesBYU 6Utah 1 (a coach from the
40's)Doak Walker Awards (Nation's Best Running Back)BYU 1Utah 0Davey O'Brien Awards (Nation's Best Quarterback)BYU
4Utah 0Sammy Baugh Trophies (Nation's Best Passer)BYU
7Utah 0Outland Trophies (Nation's Best Interior Lineman)BYU 2Utah 0National Individual AwardsBYU 17Utah
0By joining an AQ conference, even the prestige of your two BCS
bowls is diminished, and NOBODY outside of Utah cares about your head-to-head
"superiority" from the leather-helmet era.
...not to mention the Utah "fans" that work for Deseret News posting
1000 word comments only seen by select individuals. They're so crafty.
@stgNo it hasn't.@Veracityfarkus is a utah
troll, although I'm sure you already figured that out. There are 2 or 3 screen
names that post from "Beaver" and that is one of them. All the same
person. I'm fairly certain it is just more screen names from the same individual
that also goes by "54-10", "kosta fesenko",
"hondo", "articuno BYU", "Noble Promise",
"slcBYUfan", "patriot", and quite a few other names as well.
"Duckhunter | 12:22 p.m. Jan. 30, 2012 Highland, UT@stgtoslcIt is "vast superiority", not even close."For
the last 20 years of last century BYU may have had "vast superiority"
at the position, but since then it has been pretty close.
Scott FarcusBeaver, UTAnd I bet you beleive the cow
jumped over the moon and the cat ran away with the spoon.
@ Veracity"Well, I guess being aired on local KJAZZ which
reaches all the way to Logan brings in more recruits than ESPN is what you might
call national attention...and you had better fish for Quarterbacks, because your
selective fishing is bringing up groopers...What in the world are
you talking about?Im true blue through and through! Im voicing my
opinion about some high schools coaches son coming out an expert in
recruiting!Its all smoke and mirrors, if you can't see that, theres
some green Kool Aid over on the picnic table for you.I say fire
Holmoe, he has fouled the entire department up.
Hawkeye79:"I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume
you have a basic understanding of how football scheduling works....Then again,
I'm sure you would rather play for a team that drops Boise State from its
schedule in order to accommodate a team from Montana that doesn't even play in
the same division."Either that was a desperate attempt to
maneuver Utah as a school who runs away from competition, or it would be YOU who
does not understand how scheduling works. Utah did NOT replace Boise St. with
Montana St.Utah scheduled a Home-&-Home arrangement with Iowa
St. In 2010, we played in Ames. In 2011 we WERE scheduled to play in SLC, but
with the Big XII moving from an 8-game league schedule to a 9-game league
schedule, they bought out of their contract with Utah. This left a hole in
Utah's 2011 Home schedule. Boise St. was an AWAY game. Like Iowa
St, Utah's league slate moved from an 8-game format to a 9-game format.
Therefore, in order to balance our schedule to 6-HOME and 6-AWAY, one AWAY game
had to be nixed. And THAT's why BSU was bumped. Since this has
been explained over and over again, and you're not new, I must conclude your
motivation for attacking Utah for cancelling our return game to Boise as a
desperate, disingenuous, frantic and emotional jab. How sad for you that you
must resort to such shameful tactics.
Scott FarcusBeaver, UTSounds like a fish story to
me!.Recruiting's up because of ESPN Thurs. & Fri. night
exposure?A fisherman can cast his net out into the ocean and catch
all the little fish he wants, its the skilled fisherman that catches the
trophies one cast at a time.Enjoy your hukilau Capt. DuPaixWell, I guess being aired on local KJAZZ which reaches all the way to Logan
brings in more recruits than ESPN is what you might call national
attention...and you had better fish for Quarterbacks, because your selective
fishing is bringing up groopers...
@stgtoslcIt is "vast superiority", not even close.
Rational, I'm not arguing that BYU has had more history at the QB position, just
being realistic about this conception of vast superiority by many BYU fans.
StGtoSLC"the name Scott Mitchell comes to mind..."Go ahead and add the name Alex Smith...And Virgil Carter,
Gary Sheide, Gifford Nielsen, Marc Wilson, Jim McMahon, Steve Young, Robbie
Bosco, Ty Detmer, Steve Sarkisian, Brandon Doman, John Beck, Max Hall -- 8 All
Americans, a Heisman winner, several college HOF, 11 NFL QB's, 8 NFL starters, 2
Super Bowl wins (as starters - a few more as backups), 2 NFL MVPS and an NFL HOF
to your list. I wish I had time to research how many Sammy Baugh
and Davey O'Briens are among them or what percentage of BYU QB's have gone on to
the pros vs Utah QB's, because they are very far apart.
Honor CodeDenver, ColoradoIf I were a recruit and was being looked
at from BYU Coaches, I'd look elsewhere, as I don't want to play a bunch of WAC
schools that are weak and feeble 8 games a year!!----------The
key word in that sentence is "if." Glad you were spared the ignominy,
given you were never recruited and never played.BTW, how's that
"guys with standards aren't any good" logic working out for that
Heisman winning, NFL Division winning, Playoff Game winning, "100 guys who
could play in an era" QB in Colorado? The Top 25 Cougars are enjoying it.
Alta, there are more services than just Scout. Rivals 2009: Wynn #22, Hill #30.
ESPN 2009: Wynn #41, Hill #61. Not saying these are a huge deal or anything,
because we don't know how ready to play these guys are until we see them, and we
know that when Wynn is healthy he can play, but none of those other guys we have
seen yet, nor will we for likely a while. But "2 QB recruits that are
better than any the utes could hope for"? Come on, let's be rational. Also,
the name Scott Mitchell comes to mind...
Hi Honor Code,I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume
you have a basic understanding of how football scheduling works. Bear in mind
that teams usually fill their schedule multiple years in advance. Now, imagine
a school that suddenly has 8-9 game slots to fill within one or two years. Will
they be able to fill the entire schedule with great opponents? Not likely, but
BYU still put together a decent schedule for such short notice. Now, if you
take a look at who is already scheduling BYU in 2013 and beyond, you'll see what
recruits are excited for.Then again, I'm sure you would rather play
for a team that drops Boise State from its schedule in order to accommodate a
team from Montana that doesn't even play in the same division. To each his own,
If I were a recruit and was being looked at from BYU Coaches, I'd look
elsewhere, as I don't want to play a bunch of WAC schools that are weak and
feeble 8 games a year!!
@CougFaninTXRemember there are more 3 star recruits playing in the NFL
than there are 4 or 5 star recuits.-----------The higher
number of 3-star recruits playing in the NFL is not important. After all, there
are far more of them. The percentage of how many 3-star vs. 4-star or 5-star
recruits make it in the NFL would be a far more valuable statistic. I don't know
the percentages, but my guess is the percentages are far higher for 4-star and
Exactly StGtoSLC... BYU can't have the counting of returning missionaries and
Utah at 24... and not ever having been a perennial top 5 program along with the
fact that they only started these mythological dream recruting teams in the
90's... really again redundantly proves that Utah or BYU cannot claim any real
supremacy whatsoever over each other in projected Recruiting. Utah may lead in
wins over BYU over the last 10 years of which Whit has a 4-3 advantage over
Bronco...the only two coaches pertenant to this lastest round of recruit
speculation...but BYU has the element that they have repeatedly finished higher
in the final standings and in the top 25 more often than Utah... and as a
staunch BYU fan I'd still have to say there doesn't exist any supremacy either
This is shocking! He is positive about the recruiting class? No matter what
side of the argument you fall, would you expect him to say anything different?
Slow news day I guess.
Looks like a great recruiting class to build on last year's 10-win, Top 25 team!
Coming from a Midwesterner, it will be great to see the Cougars play at Notre
Dame this year and it looks like most regions in the country will have a chance
to see the Cougars play live. Of course, this excludes the fact that the entire
nation can typically watch them play live via ESPN.The first year of
independence brought great results and showed me that BYU has a hungry team that
gets better by the week. I'm looking forward to seeing these new recruits join
the team and keep the same momentum going forward!Oh, and don't
worry about the Utah trolls -- they will just tell you that it's not wins and
rankings that matter, but rather who you lose to...unless it's to a 10-loss
team, in which case the opponent must still be impressive simply because of
which league they belong to.
Sounds like a fish story to me!.Recruiting's up because of ESPN
Thurs. & Fri. night exposure?A fisherman can cast his net out
into the ocean and catch all the little fish he wants, its the skilled fisherman
that catches the trophies one cast at a time.Enjoy your hukilau
Joe DuPaix ?Who ?What ?Good Luck Cougs!Next years slogan; " Quest to Perfect, Band of Coaching
re: StgtoSLCFrom the Scout rankings - #15 Mangum#30
Hill#27 Wilson#34 Wynn?? Hansen (not ranked as a QB)I guess I was off by a few spots as being totally accurate but my point
Wow! Otis was the first to jump on and read another BYU article. Then followed
by more ute fans. Try to explain how you really don't like BYU, you
just like to read the articles...Hmmmm ,that sounds firmiliar.
CFIT, I found myself nodding my head "yes" to nearly that entire
comment EXCEPT two points:1. "If the returning RM's were
counted in this years statistics, BYU would jump 10 - 15 places."Conversely, if the departing missionaries from this class were discounted, BYU
would fall another 10-15 places. You don't get to count them twice.2. "Remember there are more 3 star recruits playing in the NFL than there
are 4 or 5 star recuits."I wish I had the time to research what
percentage of 3 star recruits are in the NFL versus the percentage of 4 or 5
star recruits, because they are very far apart. There are likely at least a
thousand 3 star recruits scouted every year. Several go on to be pros, the vast
majority do not. There are typically a dozen or so 5 stars, the majority of
which play pro ball.
How about brining in QBs that will actually stay there and produce.Hey
SportsFan. Get used to sub-par bowl invitations. If even BYU will accomplish
Alta, "Top" seems to be a very subjective term. Glad you're happy with
this year's class, though. I assume the two QBs you mentioned are Hill and
Mangum? Both of Utah's QBs this year and Jordan Wynn were rated higher than Hill
was, and not far behind Mangum. I love these unrealistic emotional responses to
dumb comments looking for nothing more than what you've given them. Good job.
I'm sure there will be a few other Ute trolls who make uninformed comments like
Spudlock. The reality is, Utes will probably be able to attract a
few more recruits because of their PAC12 affliation than they could in the MWC,
but they'll get them over other PAC12 schools not BYU. Hooker and Poutasi are
classic examples of this. BYU will also continue to get top prospects like
Taysom Hill, Ammon Olsen Tanner Mangum, Hinds, Pau'u, Weeks and others. And
their recruiting pipeline will be bigger because of Indy and ESPN.Both schools are likely to remain ranked somewhere between 25 and 50 for their
recruiting classes. BYU's ranking is definately skewed more because of the
missionary program. If the returning RM's were counted in this years
statistics, BYU would jump 10 - 15 places.The schools only competed
against each other for a handful of recruits. BYU got a couple of those
recruits and Utah got a couple. I'll take Hinds over any of the recruits we
both went for.Neither school will ever compete with the top SEC,
Big10 or Big12 schools for recruits. But both schools always seem to get the
best from their recruits.I think it is more important to look at the
final AP or Coaches ranking after the season, than it is to look at
Scout's recruiting rankings. There will always be some 4 and 5 star recruits
who are a bust, and their will always be some walk-ons who make a name for
themselves.Remember there are more 3 star recruits playing in the
NFL than there are 4 or 5 star recuits.
Obviously not jealous Utah trolls like UToo bad your coach has never
put a premium on stocking his QB position with quality QBs, which is why the U
will always be a bottom tier PAC 12 program. Get used to 4-5 finishes.
What's not to like Otis ? BYU is bringing in 2 QB recruits that are better than
any the utes could hope for. They're also signing the top Utah high school
recruit as well as a top linebacker from CA and 2 top WR's from AZ and CA.
Sounds like a great class to me.
I'm glad that there is at least one person in the State of Utah who is excited
about this year's recruiting class.Very truly yours,Uncle Otis