Honestly, reading some of the comments on this article is enough to stop me from
reading the comments ever again! It never ceases to amaze me how a few outspoken
readers who obviously have nothing but ill feelings about the LDS Church, spend
so much of their time reading and commenting on LDS related articles.Lets put it this way RanchHand, you've made your point over and over and over
again, in countless articles. Clearly, you are not exactly in love with the LDS
church, its leaders, or its doctrines. No problem. However, this is an LDS
newspaper, the majority of its readers are LDS, and so its articles are LDS
related. May I suggest that you subscribe to a newspaper that more closely
aligns with your views.
Re: RanchHand | 5:18 p.m. Jan. 27, 2012 "Is it bigotry to fight back
against the bigot?"Is it bigotry to advocate moral cleanliness?
That is squarely in the domain of religious organizations. This
story is about the good the LDS Church is doing for the poor and needy ......
not about sexual orientation.
There is no greater agency for the good of mankind in all the world than what
this church so unselfishly does for others, regardless of religious/nonreligious
affiliation. What a privilege to be a small part of it.
RanchHand, who is this WE you keep talking about ?
If only the LDS Church's 'charity' program equaled it's real estate holdings,
you'd really have something to crow about.
Interesting how a story like this causes such polarization. For one group, they
are grateful for all the good being done. For the other, its not enough and
there must be bad things in there to dilute the good.The story was a
simple one, explaining what the church IS doing, though it will never be enough,
at least in the minds of some. I for one am grateful for the church welfare
program which is based on a philosophy that people sometimes need help to regain
their footing and the assistance is designed to be temporary until the person in
question can become self reliant again. No doubt, everyone knows of a story
where the ultimate goal wasn't achieved or the system was abused -- it happens.
After all has been said and done, we'll wait for another news story
of people trying to make positive changes and dissect it until we can discover
more opportunities for negative comments.
What a great model for an improved US Welfare System.
I am sorry RanchHand, for all the judgmentalism on this comment board. " Turn the other cheek" is what the bible teaches those who
The LDS Church welfare system is one of the ways God answers the prayers of the
needy. I want to give a shout-out to Elder Glen Rudd who managed Welfare Square
for many years. The Bishops Storehouse's throughout the country are a miracle
@AZRods;Is it bigotry to fight back against the bigot?We
are not the ones voting to take away Civil Rights from you.
I'm thankful for the opportunity to pay tithing and fsat offerings and for the
churches foresight and willingness to use those funds to help members and
non-members in times of disaster and hard times.The real goal is to help
tempoarily and help people help themselves. The system is correlated with job
centers and employment help all over the world. The money given is able to go
further because of the volunteer help received from members who work at all
these facilities many who have also paid tithing and fst offerings.Can you
imagine what could be accomplished if more menbers pparticipated each
month.There are approx. 30,000 wards and branches in the church. If every ward
increased their Fast Offering ten dollars per month that would be 300,000.00
more per month to help the poor or 3,600,000.oo more per year.See what just
helping a little together can do.
ranchhand, how interesting that you yourself should use the term bigotry to
describe someone else.
I worked in a Bishops storehouse for a couple of years. It was a great
experience and now the expansion of its ability to do good works is a wonderful
Big D, you obviously misread my post, because you haven't a clue what my point
was. I'm sorry if I did not make this response to RanchHand clear enough for
@ Californian#1Please don't comment on things you have no clue
about. I'll bet if you did some research you would see that the LDS church
supplied aid to all of those disasters. Look up what the church has done in
Africa. They also visit prisons. And you have no idea how many people have
avoided eviction because of the LDS church. The church also has an employment
center to help people find jobs. Just because they choose not to pat themselves
on the back does not mean they are not out there doing things.
@ RanchHand | 8:36 a.m. Jan. 27, 2012 Huntsville, UT @Lib Ted;
churches are NOT charities, yes, they may do *some* charity work, but overall,
they're nothing but big, powerful, PACs. LOL!! Then you've probably
haven't been to church, read the bible, or volunteered with any church group.Just because you've chosen to close your eyes to the charity work being
done around you by religion, it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.Maybe
you think charity comes in the form of food stamps on your EBT card. That's not
charity, that's a hand out and a way for politicians to ask for your vote by
threatening to take your handout away. Same way children are treated.I suppose the wall street protesters aren't a super pac, and are a charity
organziation in your mind. What a failure that was.
* "Good for the LDS Church; FINALLY, they're doing something useful"
* FINALLY?????Where was the LDS Church when hurricances
struck in Central America, earthquake and tsunami killed thousands in the
Pacific, Katrina ravaged the Gulf Coast, a monster quake bashed one of the
poorest countries not only in the Americas but the world? Where is the LDS
Church all year long when babies in Africa are dying from lack of nutritious
food that their young bodies can digest, inmates in prison need a friendly
visitor, schools are short on books or supplies, and orphans can use a handmade
quilt to hold onto? Where is the LDS Church when ordinary people are losing
jobs, being evicted, or going without enough food so they can pay the electric
bill?Maybe the question should be, haven't you noticed all this was
happening, or do you not consider any of it "useful"?
@Kirk Graves;And you choose to ignore the bad that churches do, so I
guess that evens out the score.@worf;The LDS Church
(along with others) recently signed yet another document interfering in other
people's lives.Yes, the LDS Church, along with the Catholic Church
and others perform good works but they also perform bad things.Does
50 years of charity over-ride 150 years of bigotry (against blacks)?If this were a one-good-deed, one-bad-deed cancel out situation, the LDS
Church needs another 100 years of good deeds - but they'd better be careful to
commit no further bad deeds (but that would be impossible).@HaHaHaHa;As long as "private Christian Schools" take
all Americans, without exception, then sure, they can have tax money. As long
as they discriminate, absolutely not.
Re: RanchHand | 8:36 a.m. Jan. 27, 2012 "FINALLY, they're doing
something useful"The LDS Church celebrated the 75th anniversary
of their Churchs welfare program .... last year. While churches have a
responsibility to advocate moral cleanliness that doesn't restrict people from
making personal choices.
Ranchand is only concerned about the collection of tax monies, or the
confiscation of MORE private property. As an avowed leftist, he and his
commrades just wish they could justify a reason to tax churches. He probably
considers organizations such as Planed Parenthood, to be "charitable"
and has NO problem with their tax exempt status, or even worse, the co-mingling
of private/public funds for them. Funny how he gets to worship abortion
providers or "educators", and thats OK for public funding, but NO
public funding should go to private Christian schools.
RanchHand,The LDS Church Welfare system celebrated it's 50th year in 2011.
I can't see how that jives with your "FINALLY" comment.Actually, churchs were the very first charities. No matter how you define
them. Just because you choose to ignore the good they do, and just because you
don't like the stands they sometimes take, does not the change that fact.As for the LDS Church in particular, the only "Political" issue they
have been involved in recently was Prop 8. Since Prop 8 was also a moral issue,
in the minds of LDS, we were not taking a political stand, but a moral stand.
It was the LBGT community who have made it a political issue.
The church welfare system is to help people up, not a handout. It is SHORT TERM
help to get people on their feet not a generatinal swamp that suck people under
and keep them there. I feel sorry for people like RanchHand that can only see
the bad in the world.
RanchHand,Just curious. How has the church interfered with your
business, and what person is getting big and powerful.You sound like
big, powerful, millionaire, Obama who complains of success.
Good for the LDS Church; FINALLY, they're doing something useful. Now, if we
can only get them to leave the rest of us ALONE and mind their own business.@Lib Ted; churches are NOT charities, yes, they may do *some* charity
work, but overall, they're nothing but big, powerful, PACs.
I hope barack and his left wing liberal chronies will leave religion alone.
Allow religion to continue doing their charity work. Stop thinking about taxing
charitable contributions.I know the left has a hard time with
religion. It's easy to understand when they look at the few bad apples that come
from it. But if they're willing to turn the other cheek for mass murderers,
dictators, abortions etc. then you'd think they would turn the other cheek for
religion that gives soo much help and support for the poor and needy.I would much rather decide where my money goes to help others, rather than the
Is this the work of a non Christian cult?
Well, I think helping Poor people is wonderful However.. I do not believe in
just handing Freebees out to those who can work but are not willing. Give Money?
NO, give food and help with shelter? YES!
It is good the storehouse is there as some people need it. Are there
missionaries that advertise it to investigators though. I know of people that
took discussions to get welfare help. Boyd K Packer said our program is great
we can use all your help.Good it is there. Best thing about church
welfare like President Benson says it takes the slums out of people who take
themselves out of the slums.
I thought the government is the only entity with compassion on the poor.
Listening to Nancy, Harry, barack and others you'd think the democrats were the
only people that cared.As it turns out, people are willing and do
give their money to the those in need. Looks like the argument that only the
government can care for people is dead.
You will never read a story like this in the national news, but you will read
stories of people trying to make Mittt Romney look bad for paying his
tithing.His tithing money goes for things like this instead of
lining the pockets of people using god's money for their personal gain !!
I'm impressed. What a blessing!
this is wonderful, this will bless many people.