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Published: Thursday, Jan. 26 2012 11:37 a.m. MST

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MapleDon
Springville, UT

The CofC is just another advocate for open borders and amnesty--like the DesNews/KSL.

They know where the cheap resources are--and cheap resources mean more corporate profit. Nothing wrong with that, except the legal citizens are deprived of opportunity.

Selfishness/Greed + breaking the law = Good? I don't think so.

Yet, that is the mindset of the CofC, DesNews, etc.

And where's their compassion for the unemployed citizens or those who want to be Americans and are going through the immigration process legally? That's right, there isn't any compassion.

They'd rather give green lights (and cards) to those who cut in line. In other words, they're breeding selfishness through selfishness, and lawlessness through lawlessness.

Conservative
Cedar City, UT

Deseret News should be cautious when reporting on the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. This group has no link to the Federal government. Rather, it is a right-wing lobbying org focussed on big business (see Wikipedia). It is the opposite of the American Civil Liberties Union (a left-wing group).

The USCC could care less about the American worker. They simply want big business, unregulated industry and more billionaires.

The Rock
Federal Way, WA

1. Most think tanks have an agenda that is reflected in their reports. That is why they put out reports, to promote their agenda.
2. Only 3.7% of natural born citizens are self employed whereas 5% of foreign born are self employed. This is a strong condemnation of our education system. We teach kids they are victims but those who have lived elsewhere see nothing but opportunity. How about a little entrepreneurial instruction in the schools? Let's teach kids how to start business.
3. The U.S. Chamber has an agenda. They want cheap labor and immigrants can provide that (at great expense to the rest of us). The Chamber does not want more entrepreneurs. Entrepreneurs are more competitors, not workers or customers. The Chamber's hidden agenda here is cheap labor.

Democrats want illegal immigration because they will reliably vote Democrat.
Big business wants illegal immigration because they want cheep labor.

I just want truth and our laws enforced.

That makes me the bad guy.

Fitness Freak
Salt Lake City, UT

The Chamber of Commerce has ABSOLUTELY NO credibility.

Frankly, I can't understand WHY businesses would pay money to join them.

Its now to the point where if I see a "chamber of commerce" plaque displayed in the business; I turn around and walk out.

BTW - I wonder why the chamber members don't just hire one of the illegal immigrant trespassers that they value so highly to MANAGE THE "CHAMBER"?

Why pay the Pres. of the "chamber" a six figure salary?

Shawnm750
West Jordan, UT

So basically the USCC and our president are promoting the "Anchor Baby" agenda...does this really surprise anyone? I find it interesting that Obama thinks anything he does will be "once and for all." Maybe he should take some time to actually read the constitution that he swore to serve and protect, and the history behind it. Laws were meant to be changed as times change.

I'm all for reforming our immigration laws, but I'm not for amnesty. It's unfortunate that many children live with the consequences of their parents' choice to come here illegally. (Another reason I think the laws of naturalization need to be revamped.) Amnesty is a slap to the face of to those individuals from other countries who go through the process and wait patiently to get their citizenship.

christoph
Brigham City, UT

Does anyone know how much it would cost to build a fence on the border???

Liberal Ted
Salt Lake City, UT

Congress and the President also thought borrowing and spending over $6 Trillion would save the economy....

Too much thinking going on.

The number of illegals entering this country didn't stave off of the economy. NAFTA never brought the promised enduring jobs. Other trade agreements failed.

My guess is, this is just a way to open the back door for illegals. Even an immigrant can't start a business up without capital. We need the banks and other companies be in a position to start getting the money flowing and for entrepeneurs and others take risks and start their businesses up.

ouisc
Farmington, UT

This will get strange. If immigration reform spurs economic growth, then I guess the Democrats aren't going to support immigration reform after all.

watchman
Salt Lake City, UT

If 'Immigration Reform' means to finally start enforcing our illegal immigration laws and punishing employers who hire illegals, I say, "go for it."

That will spur our economy by putting citizens back to work when the illegals leave.

Citizens spend all their earnings here, illegals send a lot of what they earn back to their home countries.

Citizens also do not burden our social service system like the illegals do.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'If 'Immigration Reform' means to finally start enforcing our illegal immigration laws and punishing employers who hire illegals, I say, "go for it."
That will spur our economy by putting citizens back to work when the illegals leave.' - watchman | 4:37 p.m. Jan. 26, 2012

Watchman,

I agree with you that any type of meaningful immigration reform has to make it MANDATORY to punish the employers who hire illegal works to avoid paying:

Minium wage
Health benifits
and background checks.

Will this spur the economy? In the long term, I'm sure.

The short term?

We have examples of this:

**'Few Americans take immigrants' jobs in Alabama' - By By Jay Reeves - AP - Published by DSnews - 10/20/11

'Many of the Americans who have ventured out into the fields to pick crops have quit after a single day, telling farmers the work is too hard and not worth the pay.' - article

TRUTH
Salt Lake City, UT

just drive by Home depot and see all the jobs the immigrants are creating...its amazing! Thanks DNEWS and Chamber..

Phred
Ogden, UT

With regard to entrepreneurial activity, many immigrants with difficulty communicating in English find it difficult to get someone to hire them, especially with alien status, go into business for themselves. Many come from a culture where government assistance is not as easily available as it is here and have learned the value of self-reliance. The neighborhoods of Nuevo Laredo, Mexico are filled with home-based taquerias and street vendors.

On the other hand, there are many regions of Mexico where so many young adults have emigrated that no one of working age is left and businesses are closing, not for lack of business but for lack of anyone available to do the work. Perhaps the best thing we could do to help lift their economy out of poverty is to allow them to come here for education and then send them home to help the entire community instead of draining their national brawn and brain for our own selfish purposes. Even better would be to help them become educated without the extra expense of leaving home, complicating their efforts by trying to comprehend an instructor speaking in an unfamiliar language.

Viva fondo de educación perpetuo!

My2Cents
Taylorsville, UT

As long as business have control of the labor market this economy will never get any better. What the Chamber is implying is that prospertiy of workers should not be allowed. Worker prosperity and independce is anti profit margin. Paying reasonable wages robs business of excessive profits is a fools game of lies.

If the US does not maintain enforcement of immigration laws and standards this economy will remain flat lined. It is time stop increasing profit for business and make business and force business to pay a higher minimum wage.

If anyone should happen to read the Federal Labor Act and its laws governing labor and workers rights, it a law that business cannot use cheap foreign labor, imported or abroad, to undermine the right of Americans to fair wages and force the Americans people to work for less. This has nothing to do with immigration, its to protect the American workers from forced slavery which is what illegal aliens are doing to workers prosperity and rights.

This idea of making the economy business friendly with cheap illegal labor is why the economy has collapsed. Time to cancel all foreign labor visas including farm workers as well.

DavidNichols
Gilbert, AZ

January 2008 = The start of the E-verify Law, and the I.C.E. Deportations.

January 2008 Also = The start of "The Worst Recession in U.S. History."

Tens of Thousands of vacated Immigrants dwellings Trggered/caused the "Foreclosure Crisis."

Fact: For every good, hard working Immigrant Deported America has lost over four times as many American jobs.

"America is great because it is good, when it ceases to be good, it ceases to be great."Alex De Tocqueville

Every Stimulus, Bail Out, Cash for Clunkers Mortgage Program, ect. by two Presidents now has only been treating the symptoms of the Deportation Damage done to America's Economy.

Far Worse is the "Human' Damage to Family's.

Over Five Thousand Hispanic Citizen Children are now in Foster Care.

Over Forty-two Thousand Hispanic "Human's" now lay dead at the Harsh U.S. Mexico Border where I.C.E. has Deported Hundreds of Thousands into a known "Drug War" with nothing, not even water, to be killed or to die of the elements.

This "Great" Nation of Immigrants was Built on Far Greater Principles/Values!

Laws should be Tempered with circumstance, and to be in accordance to American Ideals.

To: Good.

CTR?

DavidNichols
Gilbert, AZ

A Mass exodus of Immigrants began in mid 2007 in advance of the upcoming E-verify Law, and the I.C.E. Deportation/Incarceration Programs.

This Mass Exodus began to turn the Real Estate Market upside down!

Tens of Thousands of vacated Immigrants dwellings no matter who owned them triggered/caused the "Foreclosure Crisis."

Entire States became instantly Overbuilt, completely halting all private sector Construction/Growth.

This caused millions of Americans to lose their Construction related jobs.

It also left these Mass Vacated States with excess Total Government Services.

Every Stimulus, Bail Out, ect has occurred since the E-verify Law, and I.C.E. Programs began in January 2008, and they are a direct result!

The HARD LABOR Immigrants gladly did for America was the very Foundation of our once Strong Economy, and this Hard Labor supported all other American jobs!

This is our I.C.E.'d Economy!

Millions of Good "Human Beings, both Citizen, and undocumenteds have been Persecuted, and live in Fear in what they thought was "The Greatest Country on Earth."

How can anyone blame the Hardest Workers in our Nation for the Economic Crash that happened when we began Deporting them?

To: Good

wrz
Salt Lake City, UT

"Let's stop expelling talented, responsible young people who could be staffing our research labs or starting a new business, who could be further enriching this nation..." - Article

Wait a minute... We don't discriminate in America. At least, we shouldn't. Letting in a certain class of people and giving them citizenship or green cards to stay on, is discriminatory. All immigrant applicants should have an equal chance regardless of capability, capability, of social status. Further, if we educate foreigners in our universities they should be encouraged to go home where they can help bring their home country into the 21st century.

Of course, if they come here illegally without permission they should be tossed out and required to get in line.

"Many of the Americans who have ventured out into the fields to pick crops have quit after a single day, telling farmers the work is too hard and not worth the pay." - Article

That's right these guys know full well that they can make more on federal unemployment than they can working their buttocks off. And they can sit home watching TV while the postman brings them their unemployment check.

What needs to happen is for the government to stop paying unemployment after a reasonable time (not 99 weeks as it is now). This would encourage (read force) unemployed Americans to get off the sofa and get to work. The reason foreigners are willing to take menial jobs is because they have nothing else.

wrz
Salt Lake City, UT

DavidNichols:

"A Mass exodus of Immigrants began in mid 2007 in advance of the upcoming E-verify Law, and the I.C.E. Deportation/Incarceration Programs."

Not so. The E-Verify law was, and is, mostly ignored. And it only applies to businesses with more than 15 employees.

"This Mass Exodus began to turn the Real Estate Market upside down!"

Not so. The real estate market turned upside down due to the loosening of real estate lending requirements to the point that no down payment or evidence of income was required to buy a house.

"Tens of Thousands of vacated Immigrants dwellings no matter who owned them triggered/caused the 'Foreclosure Crisis.' Entire States became instantly Overbuilt, completely halting all private sector Construction/Growth."

Your point is makes no sense. If illegals vacated a dwelling they had to move into another. They can't just move to the streets to live. And we know they didn't go home.

"Millions of Good "Human Beings, both Citizen, and undocumenteds have been Persecuted, and live in Fear in what they thought was 'The Greatest Country on Earth.'"

This country can never remain the greatest country on earth is we don't secure the borders and more astutely manage immigration so that we don't get overrun with foreigners. Suggest you watch Immigration Gumballs on YouTube.

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