@truth really? russia and china are neither socialist or based on what
marx taught but you are right it is not what the US government is based on but I
never claimed it was did I? What I did argue is that patriot continues to misuse
the terms to try to attack Obama and should learn what the terms actually mean
Maudine you are comparing apples to apples, neither marxism or socialism are
models for those who formed our Union or penned our constitution~ If you love socialism or marxism...might I suggest Russia or China, and take
Obama with you!
barack and dependentcrats. LOL! Best joke ever:)
Well, the president's speech was detailed to the point of being a muddle. I
liked the spirit of what he said, but who of us could make any sense of it
afterward (unless you have a special interest ax to grind). Like with heatlh
care, instead of endlessly complicated Obamacare, he should have asked for
medicare for everyone. THAT the public could understand, and most would have
supported it, including me. He should have identified the great drag on the
economy - and that is the insurance industry, particularly health insurance.
It's sucking the economy dry. Democrats need to come up with simple
explainable solutions. Unless they do there are third parties ready to take
their place, like the party to which I belong, the Socialist Party - USA. The
New Deal reforms would never have happened without us.
@hemlock you watched the republican debates then? Trickle down
economics, deregulation's all the wonderful things that brought us this
wonderful recession under the bush.
Great feel good rhetoric, nothing new, re-selling programs that didn't work the
first time, blatant electioneering.
@patriotlLets try this one more time since you obviously did not
read my last post or failed to understand. Socialism is not a subset of Marxist
theory, Socialist attempted to use his theory to justify their actions to which
he wrote a very stern letter, look up the letter you may find it very
enlightening. Trust me II have a masters degree in sociology, wikkipidia is not
a valid source of information please dig a little deeper then the first entry in
wikkipieda otherwise this conversation is pointless.
re:atl134Again - google Marxist Socialism and read the highest and
first link from Wikipedia. Socialism is a subset of Marxist theory and both are
kiss'en cousins to communism. I'm sure Obama would be quite moderate in other
European socialist states but America IS NOT a socialist state - quite the
opposite and that single fact is why America is the leader of the free world.
re:Pegan Ever use Wikipedia Pegan?? Obviously not. You should try it
sometime - you might actually discover that the man you worship (Obama) is by
very definition a MARXIST SOCIALIST. It seems to me you live in a "hear no
evil see no evil" world sheltered by MSNBC and the rest of your lefty
propoganda machines. Wake up and smell the pine trees - because they are out
there in full view for those who choose to look. What are you afraid of anyway
Pegan? That Obama just might be a Marxist Socialist? The more you read the
better informed you become Pegan and yes - the internet is the 21st century
replacement of the musty old dictionary in your grandma's basement. Wikipedia -
who doesn't use Wikipedia ??? Just in case you dont dare read the definition
from Wikipedia that describes your beloved leader, here it is....In
Marxist theory, socialism, lower-stage communism or the socialist mode of
production, refers to a specific historical phase of economic development and
its corresponding set of social relations that eventually supersede capitalism
in the schema of historical materialism. Socialism is a mode of production where
the criteria for economic production is use-value and direct production for use
through conscious economic planning, where the law of value no longer directs
economic activity, and thus monetary relations in the form of exchange-value,
profit, interest and wage labor become irrelevant. Income would be
distributed according to individual contribution. The social relations of
socialism are characterized by the working-class effectively controlling the
means of production and the means of their livelihood either through cooperative
enterprises or public ownership and self management, so that the social surplus
would accrue to the working class or society as a whole.
@patriotreally so your source is the first entry on google and
wikkipedia is your source? I have an advanced degree in sociology. Marx and
socialism are almost complete opposites of each other socialism teaches
collective ownership with a strong central government, marx taught that
individuals should control the means of production and that there should be
little or no central government. May I suggest you dig a little deeper then the
first hit on google and Wikipedia if you expect anyone to take you seriously at
this point in the conversation.
@patriot"capitalism and freedom vs Marxist/socialism"Canada is Marxist? (Nevermind the fact that in Canada Obama would be
considered a moderate.)
'I assume you have access to the internet??? Google? Wikipedia?? Go to Google
and enter "Marxist socialism"...' - patriot | 12:41 p.m. Jan. 25, 2012
The INTERNET? Really? This explains quite a
bit: **'Univ. of Maryland study finds Fox News viewers to be
misinformed on key issues' - By Ryan Witt - Examiner - 12/17/10
**Fox News Viewers know LESS THAN people who dont watch any, news: Study
Huffington Post 11/21/11 Try...a dictionary.
Conservatives are ONLY conserned with Obama... not, the well being
of this country. **'Limbaugh: I Hope Obama Fails - By Faiz Shakir -
Think Progress - 01/20/09 'Limbaugh told his listeners (sic) So Im
thinking of replying to the guy, Okay, Ill send you a response, but I dont need
400 words, I need four: I hope he fails. Action?
**'Republicans bail on budget talks, blame Democrats' - By David Espo - AP -
Published by DSNews - 06/23/11 **House GOP REJECTS 2-month payroll
tax cut By Andrew Taylor AP Published by DSNews 12/20/11 With
ZERO jobs created by the Republican party... what are they DOING, to
help this country? Not just, try to get RE-ELECTED?
re:MaudineI assume you have access to the internet??? Google?
Wikipedia?? Go to Google and enter "Marxist socialism" and open the
first link .... and hopefully you will actually learn something....
The best thing by far about the Pres. speech was the REBUTTAL by Mitch
Daniels.Of all the speeches I've heard, his was, by far, the MOST
@ Invisible Hand, your storytelling has me laughing out loud!
@patriot the fact that after the many comments on these threads
addressing it you still think marxism and socialism are the same thing tells us
all we need to know about the validity of your argument. Please at least know
what the terms mean before you start trying to pin them on those you disagree
with. look them up please. this has been addressed far to many times already on
@Esquire: Bringing down the president is the single most important step to
addressing the problems in this country. So yes, conservatives should be focused
on bringing down Obama. The most glaring issue at the moment is the deficit, and
Obama is whistling past the graveyard, proposing more social spending while
Europe is on the brink of financial meltdown thanks to deficits.
capitalism and freedom vs Marxist/socialism ...welcome to campaign 2012.
The future is green energy. Most countries recognize this and are moving forward
developing it. Republicans want to cling to the past. If Republicans have their
way, the U.S. will be relying more on China for technology and resources.Republicans point to Obama's recent decision on Keystone as a job
killer. Yet, as Obama pointed out the amount we spend on infrastructure,
research and development, and education lags behind other countries as a result
of Republican policies and opposition.Obama reaches out to
Republicans to find common ground on reducing unnecessary regulation and
streamlining govt. Republicans reject these attempts and continue to push for
repealing Obam's signature legislation, healthcare reform and financial
regulatory reform. Republicans are bad sports. During Clinton's
tenure they tried everything to bring down his presidency. Millions of dollars
and many hours spent on investigations, ending in impeachment. With Obama they
denied his citizenship status, his religious beliefs, and continue to thwart the
implementation of new legislation. It is sad the Republican Party
has become such a farce. They've been captured by the extremists in their ranks
and it is damaging our country, our future, and our standing in the world.
Obama's speach is same fluff on a different day.
The future is green energy. Most countries recognize this and are moving
forward developing it. Republicans want to cling to the past. If Republicans
have their way, the U.S. will be relying more on China for technology and
resources.Republicans point to Obama's recent decision on Keystone
as a job killer. Yet, as Obama pointed out the amount we spend on
infrastructure, research and development, and education lags behind other
countries as a result of Republican policies and opposition. Obama
reaches out to Republicans to find common ground on reducing unnecessary
regulation and streamlining govt. Republicans reject these attempts and
continue to push for repealing Obam's signature legislation, healthcare reform
and financial regulatory reform. Republicans are sore losers.
During Clinton's tenure they tried everything to bring down his presidency.
Millions of dollars and many hours spent on investigations, ending in
impeachment. With Obama they denied his citizenship status, his religious
beliefs, and continue to thwart the implementation of new legislation. It is sad the Republican Party has become such a farce. They've been
captured by the extremists in their ranks and it is damaging our country, our
future, and our standing in the world.
The president gave a speech that among other things, served his political goals.
Just like every other State of the Union speech ever given by every president of
either party. So?
After months of hearing Republicans bash the President, it was nice to hear
another perspective. It is well known that Republicans are more interested in
bringing down the President than in addressing the issues faced by the country.
I appreciated hearing the President call them out on their selfish political
games.I also laugh when I see comments that the President didn't
address this or that issue in enough detail, like the one you made about the
deficit. There are enough history, details, specific proposals, and legislative
initiatives already out there. What we need is for Congress to do its job and
get the job done.I thought the speech was great and appreciated the
vision offered by the President.Mitch Daniels, isn't he the
architect of the Bush economic plan that put is in the Great Recession? Like we
are going to listen to him? I don't want to go back to what Daniels put in