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Published: Tuesday, Jan. 24 2012 11:50 a.m. MST

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Brother Chuck Schroeder
A Tropical Paradise USA, FL

I'm a Mormon and I know that tithing records are viewed as a confidential matter between members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the lay leader of their church congregation, they also art not tax deductable either.

Now a can of worms are opened up not only for the Romneys in the midst of a presidential campaign, that those donations are now a matter of public record, but with all other's that make one fill out a "MEANS Test" and on all tax returns.

That's what is good about America, it's called equal.

Then we'll all have to show it as well.

Thanks Mitt.

This financial crisis raises questions about capitalism itself. Capitalism has always, and will always be, prone to traditional market failures.

This failure was compounded by the view held by some that finance could even constitute the next phase in the natural evolution of capitalism (from agriculture to industry, services and, ultimately finance), illusions that were abetted by patchy prudential regulation, bad incentives and horrid compensation practices.

Society as a whole produced and consumed too much finance, especially through a disruptive technology that was insufficiently understood and tested.

My views.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

This IS a matter of public record.

Mitt Romney is running for a PUBLIC office!

Mitt Romney is now finding that he is accountable to the people...

**'Romney campaign battles Dems, Press over issue of transparency' - By Barrett Haake - NBC News - 11/17/11

"There it was this morning, on the front page of the Boston Globe, a headline no campaign ever wants to read: Before leaving office, Romney staff wiped records."

**'Firm dissolves after giving pro-Romney PAC $1 million' - By Ken Thomas - AP - Published by DSNews - 08/04/11

In SPITE of his actions.

**'Romney opens up a bit more to media scrutiny' - By Charles Babington - AP - Published by DSNews - 12/07/11

'Numerous Romney supporters had expressed concern over reports of him dodging reporters.'

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

" they also art not tax deductable either. "

How are they not? I thought that was the entire purpose of the tithing slip having the second copy, so that you could keep it for tax receipt purposes. Personally I never attempted to take tax deductions on them though because I think it's immoral to make a donation and then pass along part of the bill to future generations (you taking a tax deduction means less revenue for the gov't which means a higher deficit which means a larger national debt).

UteMiguel
Go Utes, CA

Chuck,
You need a new accountant if you think charitable donations are not tax deductible.

UteMiguel
Go Utes, CA

atl134,
By your logic, you should be writing extra checks to the government each month to try to pay down that debt. It's the moral thing to do.

ClarkKent
Bountiful, Utah

@alt134, I completely agree with you. I don't deduct any charitable contributions, including money I give to my church for the reasons you give and also because I think that true charity must be given without the expectation of any reward.

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

Is it really "charity" if it isn't going to the poor and needy?

In my opinion it isn't.

oldasdirt
Grantsville, UT

atl134. If that is how you feel then that is great. But trying to apply a moral or immoral qualifiers to what the government actions are or allow you to do is a very slippery slope.

John Pack Lambert of Michigan
Ypsilanti, MI

One reason to provide tax deducations for donations to charitable organizations is that they reduce the tax needs of the state. For example LDS Employment Services, which is largely funded through tithing dollars, reduces the cost of state employment services. I can give several other examples.

This is definantly the logic behind making many donations tax exempt. If you do not think donations should be tax exempt, lobby for a change in the tax code. However it is neither unethical or immoral to take tax exemptions. Next people will be claiming the per child tax exemption is unethical.

johnnylingo62
Gray, TN

Tithing is a charitable contribution so it is tax deductible.
Charitable donations are given free-will. As long as the entity receiving the donation is a registered non-profit with the proper category in the IRS code, your donation to that entity is tax deductible.
If you think the government would do more good with your money than you, or your charitable organization could do with it, then by all means give more to the government - they know how to spend money - they're just not so good at getting serious with their budget, so out of every dollar they take in ($2.8T Revenue)will go to pay just interest on our National Debt ($0.8T interest), so almost 30 cents of every tax dollar goes to paying interest only on the national debt.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'One reason to provide tax deducations for donations to charitable organizations is that they reduce the tax needs of the state.' - John Pack Lambert of Michigan | 1:31 p.m. Jan. 24, 2012

And this, is true.

...unless you are gay.

**Catholic charities ends Illinois adoption civil unions dispute By Sophia Tareen AP Published by the DSNews 11/15/11

The group had wished to continue its state contracts, while also referring unmarried couples who want to be adoptive or foster parents to other agencies, citing principles of religious liberty and freedom of conscience.
The state of Illinois had said that longstanding practice is discriminatory, a violation of the new law, which allows unmarried couples gay or straight to legally enter into civil unions. - article

Hard to claim religious charities 'help' Americans...

when they are selective as to WHICH Americans, they will assist.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@UteMiguel
"By your logic, you should be writing extra checks to the government each month to try to pay down that debt. It's the moral thing to do. "

Then conservatives should give up gov't services because they believe it's immoral to be spending so much.

Personally I support both spending cuts and tax increases to work towards a balanced budget.

IDC
Boise, ID

Good job clark and alt, living the law at a higher level and then judging others by the new standards you have created. I almost ex-communicated myself for lusting over a can of coke one time.

screenname
Salt Lake City, UT

atl134,

I believe you've mentioned that you're currently or were recently a student, which means there's very little chance that itemizing your deductions (which is the only way to take advantage of charitable contributions) was more lucrative than just taking the standard deduction, so it's a little disingenguous for you to take a moral stand on that. Besides, why is it immoral to claim a charitable contribution deduction but not immoral to take the standard deduction, or claim a deduction for property taxes paid, or claim a deduction for mortgage interest paid, or claim expenses in your personal business, etc., etc., ad nauseam. Get my drift?

And again, there is a world of difference between reducing revenues and increasing expenses.

screenname
Salt Lake City, UT

Pagan,

Afraid it's not just religious charities that discriminate. Think of all the scholarship foundations that help people based on certain demographics, such as race, gender, or career aspirations. Or charities that help women who need prenatal care or abortions.

All these examples would also be deductible under tax law, and they also discriminate.

John Pack Lambert of Michigan
Ypsilanti, MI

Adoption placeing is done to help the children, not for the good of the parents. Most adoption agencies have policies that limit what parents can adopt.

On the other hand, the use I mentioned, LDS Employment Services, is open to all who wish to use it. They do not make inquiries about any background, they just seek to help those who show up to get jobs. They do not even give people drug tests.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@screenname
"I believe you've mentioned that you're currently or were recently a student, which means there's very little chance that itemizing your deductions (which is the only way to take advantage of charitable contributions) was more lucrative than just taking the standard deduction, so it's a little disingenguous for you to take a moral stand on that. "

You may be right, I'm not sure since my dad takes care of my taxes and I've just neglected to mention charitable contributions over the years. However, I've been operating under the assumption that itemizing those would have helped me so even if they wouldn't have, I thought they would and chose not to list them so it's not disingenuous.

"there is a world of difference between reducing revenues and increasing expenses. "

When it comes to the national debt, there isn't one bit of difference. A dollar more expense or a dollar less revenue is still a dollar more to the bill for future generations.

Simple Man
Riverton, UT

Just a guess, but wouldn't it be ironic if the real reason ClarkKent or atl134 so "nobly" don't take a tax deduction for their charitable contributions is they take the standard deduction because they don't have enough deductions to take advantage of itemizing?

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Tithing ISN'T Charity.

Charity are the OTHER little boxes on the slip.
You know:

Fast Offering
Humanitarian Aid
Perpetual Education
Other (Specify) [i.e., Japan Tsunami, Haiti Earthquake, ect.)

Besides -- Romney only paid ~5.5% Tithing based on his income tax.
But I'm sure his Accountant/Lawyers told is it was a perfectly "Legal" tithe -- and not $1 more.

awsomeron
Waianae, HI

Yes they are. Always have been. I don't count mine because I think that doing that makes the Tithe Count Less. However that is just me. I don't deduct stuff I give to Goodwill or Kidney Cars but that is just me. It is Tax Deductable.If you do not have my hang up about it take it, its legal.

I do take my mortage Interest.

In my case I would not want everyone to know just how little I do give. That is not braging just a fact of life. We are at around 3% and as a result do not have TR's. Not planning on going to the Temple any time soon, or giving more money to the Church. I am not mad or anything just cheap and suffer sometimes for it.

I am still as Mormon then Mitt will ever be.

Yes it is private but when you are running for public office everything is public. Mitt knows this.

Back in the day people used to Tithe with Chickens and Livestock as there was little cash.

Titheing with things other then Cash goes back to the Start of Religion.

Mitt did nothing wrong.

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