Apparently, Cynthia, it is too much to ask. It was a disgraceful spectacle for
McCain to parade around as the candidate of the "family values party";
it's downright nauseating to watch Gingrich rising up to play the same role. Is
the Republican Party really so hypocritical down to the core? Excuse me while I
Cain's strategy of denial didn't play as well as Gingrich's strategy of
confession, apology, and (alleged) repentance. Of course, Gingrich couldn't
really deny his missteps because they were so well documented. Apparently
Republicans are willing to forgive and forget rather than question a person's
real character as reflected in his past history -- except when it comes to
Romney's flip-flops on health care, abortion, immigration, etc.
And a very quick, cursory fact-check on Mitt Romney will answer the question:
"will we have someone conservative, decent and honest to vote for?".
The answer is an unequivocal NO!
Conservative, decent and honest are three words rarely found in the same
sentence, much less in the same person.Good luck finding that person
(he doesn't exist).
Decent, Honest candidate?Not in any of these debates.
Complain to your GOP! They're the ones deciding this.For once, the
repubs can't blame their horrible candidates on the liberal media. The repubs
are digging their own graves here. They're the ones giving Newt new life. When the repubs lose this next election badly, they don't need to
complain about the liberal media "mudslinging" but merely look in the
mirror. Provide America with someone good folks! It's not that
Funny though, where have all these women dissappeared to who accused Cain? They
seem to have crawled back into the msm's shadow. It makes you wonder just how
far they would go to discredit a black (as he refers to himself), conservative
Excuse me, but you had someone like that with Jon Huntsman Jr. -- but you
guys threw him under the bus.How about you give it another go in
Unfortunately that "conservative, decent and honest" candidate is not
Mitt Romney. Too bad Jon Huntsman dropped out.
Let's see Newt's first wife got dumped (in favor of a mistress) when she had
cancer. Wife number two got the same news when she was diagnosed with MS.
Message to Callista: Don't get the Flu!
Ron Paul has been married to the same woman for 54 years. Has served in the Air
Force. Delivered over 4,000 babies as a doctor. Ran his own medical practice
where he had two rules. They would not perform abortions, and they would not
accept federal money. Instead, they would give free or low cost services to
struggling patients.I'd call that decent.Ron Paul hasn't
been known to change his words to fit the crowd he's speaking to. He doesn't
take part in the lucrative Congressional pension program. Terry Holt, who
worked on George W. Bush's campaigns, and a former Republican staffer, said
this: "He has never been someone who was interested in being co-opted
or in trading and dealing...There was nothing he wanted that we could offer him
in exchange for his vote."I'd call that honest.Based on statistics collected by the American Journal of Political Science,
Ron Paul has the most conservative voting record of any congressperson since
1937. If you define conservative as limited government, adherence to the
Constitution, a foreign policy that first defends America...I'd call
Cynthia isn't being held back from supporting anyone she likes, but that person
just may not be a Republican. It's pretty hard to see a hero coming from the
filibustering, oppose-Obama-at-any-cost, tiny-tent cabal that is today's GOP. I
don't know just what Cynthia prefers in a candidate, but the meaning of the term
"conservative" appears to change every day.
Sorry Cynthia, that combination of qualities does not exist in any known human
being. The problem for us is that all the candidates are members of
the cult of commercial business and as such are even more so deficient in those
qualities. The phony nomenclature of democrat, republican, liberal,
conservative dont really have the breadth to describe the true nature of
business minded people. Most all authoritative positions in
government are held by businessmen.Most all government actions are
taken in the interest of businessmen. Even those laws that secure our rights
and freedoms.Candidates seeming invest much more money in getting
elected to the position than the position itself pays. The truth is, the
profitable gain from private sources is the real motivation. Personal qualities like morality and honesty are far overcome by the need for
Obviously the conservatives cannot deliver, and the Republicans have driven out
sane, pragmatic candidates (Huntsman and Pawlenty). I guess that leaves
**'Romney campaign battles Dems, Press over issue of transparency' - By Barrett
Haake - NBC News - 11/17/11 "There it was this morning, on the
front page of the Boston Globe, a headline no campaign ever wants to read:
Before leaving office, Romney staff wiped records."
The decent honest candidate (Ron Paul) is under attack by the mass media because
he is not anti-constitutional like these other candidates are.
Huntsman is not honest at all. His campaign makes a racist video and blamed it
on the Ron Paul campaign. This was admitted. Now tell me how that is honest?
@David KingRon Paul has been in Congress off and on since the 1970s.
What has he accomplished? What has he led the charge on? What major,
far-reaching legislation has been sponsored and gotten through committee, voted
on and signed into law by the President. I'm not electing a
doctor-in-chief, but a President who can lead and get things done. Ron Paul can
talk the talkd, but a little skimpy on the walk the walk. Actions
speak louder than words.
'His (Huntsman) campaign makes a racist video and blamed it on the Ron Paul
campaign. This was admitted.' - Anti Bush-Obama | 11:43 a.m. Jan. 24, 2012 When, where, by whom? I love all these 'quotes' from
conservatives... that don't have dates, times, sources!
THIS, is a quote: "The Iraqi regime . . . possesses and
produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons.' -
George W. Bush - Ohio Speech 10/7/2002 Sound familiar?
**'Mitt Romney, Rick Perry slap at Ron Paul on Iran issue' - By Philip Elliott -
AP - Published by DSNews - 12/28/11 "You don't have to vote for
a candidate who will allow Iran to have a nuclear weapon to wipe Israel off the
face of the earth. Because America will be next..." Article
@ CHS 85Here we come to an important point. What should the metric
of success be for a President? (or that matter, any politician) Admittedly,
what I hope for from a President may not be the same as others, so what follows
is my opinion of how we should determine the success/failure of any leader.Does this person fulfill the basic oath of office, and defend and
protect the Constitution of the United States?Is this person honest,
willing to speak truthfully about the nation's challenges, and consistent in
their own beliefs?Does this person speak seriously about the debt crisis
and the effect it will have on future generations?You see, I don't
want a president who plans on running the economy, running our lives, or running
the world. In my mind, he has a simple job, to uphold the Constitution and
protect individual liberty. I don't believe we need more laws, government
agencies, and programs, but less. Instead of passing laws, I'd prefer it if
Congress was willing to repeal a few. By my research and study, Ron Paul will
best fulfill the Oath of Office, take seriously the debt, and protect individual
Re: "THIS, is a quote: 'The Iraqi regime . . . possesses and produces
chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons.' - George W.
Bush - Ohio Speech 10/7/2002"It's also absolutely,
demonstrably, 100% TRUE.Leftist, Bush-hating radicals often get so
far off the track and into their own deranged rhetoric, they no longer even
remember what's true and what's not.
Re: "THIS, is a quote: 'The Iraqi regime . . . possesses and produces
chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons.' - George W.
Bush - Ohio Speech 10/7/2002" It's also absolutely,
demonstrably, 100% TRUE. - procuradorfiscal | 1:39 p.m. Jan. 24, 2012 Reply: *'US gives up search for Iraq WMD' - BBC News -
01/12/05 'Mr Duelfer reported last year that Iraq had no stockpiles
of chemical or biological weapons at the time of the US-led invasion nearly two
years ago.' "Former head of UN weapons inspections Hans Blix
also said there was no surprise in the announcement." "We have
believed that there weren't any weapons since around May or June 2003...'
- BBC News - 01/12/05 Go AHEAD! Prove it.
Porve there were Nuclear weapons in Iraq. It's 'only' been a x10
year occupation of Iraq. That: **'U.S. Military deaths
in Iraq war at 4,485 - AP - Published by the DSNews - 12/20/2011
Also: **'Obama marks Iraq wars end with salute to troops' - by Erica
Werner - AP - Published by DSNews - 12/14/11
Mr. King is right: Ron Paul is the only legitimate conservative!He
has a gleaming, squeeky clean background. And is truly conservative and
demonstrates conservative values. He has the stongest starting point of all the
GOP candidates.Of course you can't get anything done in D.C. unless
you compromise. And I'm sure Paul would knuckle down and work with both
paries.Ron Paul is our guy!
The Democrats having nothing to say about honesty and morality. They refused to
convict Mr. Clinton after he was impeached for lying about having sex with an
intern in the halls of the Oval Office. Mr. Gingrich resigned for
doing things similar.Mr. Clinton cannot run again for President, but
Mr. Gingrich can. If having sex outside of marriage is STILL against the moral
grain of most Americans, Mr. Gingrich's campaign is almost over. When the media starts documenting the lies being told by Mr. Obama about
EVERYTHING, including the percent of people unemployed in America, Mr. Obama's
campaign will end.Unless another Democrat steps up, no one who
values honesty could ever vote for Mr. Obama.That leaves a few
Republicans. By the end of the Primary season, enough facts will be presented
by the press, the same press that refuses to report on Mr. Obama, that we will
clearly see who is the most honest person running.It will not be Mr.
Obama and it will not be Mr. Gingrich.
Mike Richards | 3:43 p.m. Jan. 24, 2012 South Jordan, Utah Nice rant there preacher.The fact is - you will end up voting for
the "R" no matter who wears it.You always have, always will.Pres. Obama just needs to show up to win re-election.The GOP is
whipping itself into uch a mobocracy, whoever ends up winning the nomination
will end up licking his wounds and playing Damage control for the next 9
months.Sad - Reagan had such talent to include most Americans.The GOP has fallen so, so far....
@David KingOnce again, Representative Paul isn't new at the
political game. He has been in congress for DECADES. To me, the
true definition of leader isn't one who stands along and preaches to the people.
A true leader inspires people to take a risk and follow them. A true leader
stands out in front and LEADS. He convinces others of his ideas. He recognizes
that others can also be right, and uses their ideas to help himself and others.
A true leader is adaptable and bring out the best in others. You
might see it, but I don't see an great leader in Ron Paul. I see a good guy -
and a guy who needs to attend a Toastmasters meeting or two.
'They refused to convict Mr. Clinton after he was impeached for lying about
having sex with an intern in the halls of the Oval Office.' - Mike Richards |
3:43 p.m. Jan. 24, 2012 Correct. By, Newt Gingrich.
While he was cheating on HIS wife. **'Gingrich Admits to Affair
During (attempted) Clinton Impeachment' - By JAKE TAPPER - ABC News -
03/09/07 "There were times when I was praying and when I felt I
was doing things that were wrong. But I was still doing them," Gingrich
said during the interview." - article And... he has
substantial traction, winning SC, for the REPUBLICAN nomination for
President! Also we have examples of: Arnold
Schwarzenegger John Ensign John Edwards David Vitter all, cheating on their wives. Know the difference?
Sen. David Vitter, a Republican... is STILL in office after his
affair and the 'DC Madam.' We HAVE a family values canidate. He's already in the white house!
@CHS 85 4:45: That's just scary. "Preaches to the people????" Like
Mussolini? Like Lenin? Is that what you want? Ron Paul is not a charismatic,
that's what you really want. He's an honest and very insightful teacher if
you'll take the time to listen to him. Sheesh.
I enjoy Pagan's posts. I find them to be logical and documented.I
would like the Deseret News to give him a forum for his ideas rather than simply
posting them here.I think it would add to diversity of opinion in
LDS Liberal,As you taunt others about the way they vote, or the way
they believe, or the way they uphold the Constitution, you show us that your
position is too fragile to stand on its own. The fact that your every post
tries to tear down those who have formed an opinion that does not require your
approval has left you with two options - tear them down or admit defeat. You
have chosen to try to tear them down.Most of us have seen that
behavior before. Someone becomes disaffected with his church or his political
party or his wife. Instead of admitting that he needs to change, he tries to
prove that EVERYONE else is at fault. In America, each person can
offer his opinion. No one needs to have his opinions "vetted" by
another poster.There is a fine line between attacking an idea and
attacking the person who voices that idea. Before you think that this is a
personal attack, just re-read your posts on all of the forums today. Can't
anyone post anything contrary to your opinion without being personally attacked?
J Thompson | 9:30 p.m. Jan. 24, 2012 SPRINGVILLE, UT ================ I guess you missed the whole "Mike
Richards" comment I was responding to.Look - I'm LDS,
card-carrying, R.M., Temple Married, Temple worthy...blah, blah, blah.I'm also an American.a Veteran.Who's seen the ugly side of
Fighting, and has sworn the Oath to Defend the Constitution -- against ALL
enemies, foreign AND domestic.I do tend to get angry with those
[usually the far-right] who constantly seek to take away freedom, by enacting
laws FORCING people to only choose the right [Lucifer's Plan], who enrich the
wealthy at the expense and exploitation of others, who cause and start Wars for
profit, who follow blind Party Totalitarian allegience regardless of what's
Right or Wrong.Bro. Richards, RedShirt, yourself and others seek to
over-throw our nation.By taking away our Democracy and establish a pure
Theocratic-Republic.I defend our Constitution from your sort of
enemy from within.It's a War I fought BEFORE this life.It's a
War I fight DURING this life.It's a War I will continue AFTER this
life.FYI - YOU and your ilk threw Huntsman under the bus, I didn't.
Another of the multiple reasons to support Mitt Romney and forget Newt Gingrich.