The WCC is a 2 bid league at least, SMC and the Zags. BYU is only in if the win
the Tourney. The only way ANY instate team makes the NCAA tourney is if they win
their conference tourney, and I predict Weber State to be the only Utah
representation this March.(Maybe if BYU wins out, and loses in the conf. finals
to Saint Marys.)
Hey BYU fans. Does it really matter how many teams the Pac-12 or any other
conference gets in the big dance?Why are some of y'all so obsessed about
that anyway. The only thing that matters is how your team does and what its
doing to be post season eligible. And the way things are going a number of
unexpected teams could end up playing in March. Most conferences are down right
now, even my ACC. We could see a number of mid-major type teams that people do
not expect playing in the NCAA tournament in March.
I've been saying all along BYU will have to win the WCC tournament to get into
the NCAA tournament. At this point, St. Mary's will likely be the only one
getting in, if they win the WCC tournament. If Gonazag or BYU win out the
regular season and win the WCC tournament, there's a slight chance two WCC teams
will get in.
@giantfanWhen will you be having another class on NCAA Basketball.
I would love to learn all about it from someone that doesn't pretend to know the
game. I have never heard of the Independence League either.
Maybe byu just isn't that righteous this year? Maybe they need more firesides?
Follow up for sports fan. I looked up the pack12, the following is a summary of
the schedule for the year so far:Cal losses SDSU, UNLVOre losses
BYUColo losses CSU, WYOWash losses Nev, South DakotaStan loss
ButlerAriz losses SDSU, GONZWash St losses New Mex, Cal RiversideUCLA losses Loyola MarimontOSU losses IdahoASU losses
Pepperdine,New Mex,Nev,NAU,FresnoUT losses BYU, Boise State, Montana
State, Weber State, Fresno, USC losses SDSU, Cal Poly, UNLV, NEW MEX How can Utah and the pac10.2 have SOS Take a look at the WCC and others
the way the dismantled the pac
crowntown1One thing is certain, neither Utah nor that sorry USC team
that sits below Utah in the PAC 12 standings will be dancing this year.
Thomas jefferson Sorry you or Utah not dancibng this year.
This is hilarious, I can't believe any ute fans are really trying yo smack talk
the cougars basketball team. The real fact is that since BYU joined the WCC
they became a for sure 2 bid conference and most likely 3 bid year in year out.
BYU adds the for sure second, the other bid has always been a potential, BYU
simply adds a near for sure bid to the conference, much the same reason why the
MWC has respect, both BYU and UofU have had some good teams in the past to bring
respect to the MWC.
"Bracketology" is cute, and occasionally fun. Plus it keeps at least
three or four Americans employed.But it's as good as a weatherman's
30 day forecast.Please.If BYU beats VaTech on the road
and St. Mary's at home, all of a sudden Joe Lunardi will switch it to "last
four in".If BYU loses three more games this season, it is
likely they will have to win the WCC conference tourney to make it in, just like
90% of the teams out there, including my beloved Utes.Good luck, Y.
@Wyoming Cougar"How in the world can utah have a tougher SOS
when the pac-1x is awful this year."The Pac may be awful but
the average Pac12 RPI is 101 compared to 164 for WCC. Winning percentage for
teams Utah has played 60%, BYU 53%. BYU will benefit by playing St.
Mary's again and Gonzaga, both with good RPIs. However, if the U is
going to plummet by playing USC with a RPI of 190 (the lowest RPI the U has left
to play), then the Y will also be hurt by having to play Portland twice with an
RPI of 227, Pepperdine, 224, San Fran, 159, and Santa Clara, 242.
@sirtipsalot65 haha its hilarious to sit here and listen to yall whine time and
time again about ppl who arent y fans comment on your board. WHO CARES WHOSE
BOARD IT IS. you or any other delusional y fan dont own these boards. in fact
whenever the dnews prints something positive about utah (harldy ever) basketball
or football you y fans make sure your delusional comments are heard. yall whine
more than any fanbase ive ever seen.
BYU has no one to blame but themselves, but there's still a lot of basketball to
still be played, so let's get more consistent team play. Their home loss to
Loyola Maramount was a HUGE loss. I've always thought that with many mid-majors
(WCC and MWC included), they usually have 2 slots for the tourney-- League Champ
and Conf. Tournament Champ w/ it's automatic bid. You're stretching to get a 3rd
and alomost impossible to send a 4th. So, if a conf. championship doesn't pan
out, they MUST win the Conference Tournament. Those are the only two guarantees
to get to the Bid Dance.
Sounds like BYU just got "Jimmered".
Let's not forget we have a HD truck and they don't. If we let NCAAs use the HD
truck maybe theyll have us play.
Yeah...I'd put Joe Lunardi and Collin Cowherd about neck and neck on ESPN's
pecking order...right there feeding on the bottom. I'll go two rounds with
Yankee Catcher Yogi Berra..."It ain't over til it's over"...or
"It ain't over till the fat lady sings."
NightHowl,The WCC has three teams in the top 30. St. Mary's is
currently 20th, Gonzaga 27th in the AP, both about the same on Sagarin. Beat
them in the remaining 4-5 games against them (3 regular season, 1 or 2 in the
tournament) and win @ Virginia Tech and BYU would have 5-6 quality wins, they'd
move up to the top 20 or so teams. The good news is BYU controls
their own destiny. Whether they do so is what sports is all about.
"I'm guessing that in their minds they have demoted the pac 12 to somewhere
between the WAC and the big sky conference."Gris:Pretty funny seeing conference smack coming from a typically myopic y fan.
Never in doubt, but rarely correct. The mothership's latest rankings
has the WCC at 11th in the conference rankings. That's two places BELOW the 9th
place Pac-12. As duckie, your mentor, would say, LOL!
midpacmajor said:"Gotta laugh at the hyperbole being spewed by
the over-the-hill crowd.Utah is the 11th or 12th best team in a
one-bid conference, but the not-so-brave-one and others of her ilk obsess over
BYU possibly being a bubble team. Bottom-dweller hysteria at its
finest."More envy from an outsider. You can't even handle the
WCC and put down Utah like that?Why do you care how many teams the PAC
gets in the tournament? They always get in more than one team. Perhaps you
should think about the CBI invite BYU will get.
Rational said:"Big deal. It isn't like this is the BcS where
politics and fat guys in blazers decide who is in. Win and you are in.BYU has 4-6 quality games coming up, depending on seeding in the tournament.
Win them all, and they could be a four or five seed in the tournament."Oh please! Put away the magic wand pretending that pixie dust will make
things better. BYU is not going to be a high seed like that. The Big East and
Big Ten will easily fill those slots.
Thanks, DNews, for correcting the name on the photo caption from Nate Carlino to
Matt Carlino. You're welcome! I'll take the credit.
@ Joe Schmoe Even with SDSU gone after 2012-13 the mega CUSA/MWC
mess (I hate it too) should be a multi-bid conference. Lunardi had 4 teams from
CUSA, 3 from MWC and one from the WAC which is Nevada (which will be part of MWC
next year). If the CUSA/MWC existed this year one would be looking at
potentially 7-8 bids. Now looking ahead...the MEGA mess CUSA/MWC
should be a strong basketball league but not football. The "mess"
would have S. Miss, Memphis, UAB, UTEP, UNLV, New Mexico, and Nevada. USU also
could potentially leave the WAC for CUSA/MWC. CUSA/MWC would be looking at
potentially 4 bids each year. A very good year one could see as much as 7 bids.
As far as Rice, I expect him to be at UNLV for a while and maybe
even be a lifer since he is UNLV alumni and was a part of the 1990 championship
team. Yes, BYU we thank you for grooming our future coach but don't expect him
to go back to BYU when Rose leaves for a bigger gig.
When was the last time byu made it to the Final Four?
BYU has a possible shot at the tourney but the odds are long at best. The WCC
will at most have 2 picks for the NCAA Tournament. You need to finish in the top
2 positions. It is possible if BYU wins over St Mary's and Gonzaga. Any losses
and they are looking at the NIT. One commentator said it correctly that the
best basketball years are behind the schools in Utah. It will take a few years
to bring this back. And yes, football going independent threw alot of the
programs under the bus having to scramble to join other conferences.
The MWC will be back to one bid next year since BYU left and soon SDSU will be
gone.UNLV can continue to have a home game for every tournament
game, make it to the tourney, and maybe win a game or two. Actually with Dave
Rice you can probably do better than that.You can thank BYU later.
This is a big week for the BYU basketball program. Win both games and things
are looking good. Just win baby!Also nice that I can watch EVERY
game on tv this year.Great time to be a Cougar fan!
That's what BYU gets for throwing the rest of their sports in a mid-major
conference. SOS really does matter this year. Clearly the best league in the
west isn't the PAC-12 or WCC. It's the MWC, as indicated by RPI conference
ranking on realtimerpi.com. Even ESPN currently has the MWC ranked 5th ahead of
the ACC, PAC-12, and WCC, which is ranked 11th. The polls have no PAC-12 teams
ranked. The WCC has only one team ranked in the lower half of the polls, while
MWC has two teams ranked in the top 15. This year the the MWC owns the PAC-12.
Head to head the MWC is 11-3 versus the PAC-12. I don't know what the stat is on
MWC versus WCC but more than likely the MWC has an edge.Does one
really expect the bid commitee to hand the WCC 3 bids (two at large bids and one
automatic) when the conference isn't even ranked in the top 10? If anything the
PAC-12 will get at least two teams in and maybe a third based on reputation
BYU still has a good shot at the NCAA tournament. The game tomorrow night at Va.
Tech is huge. A loss there and it is an uphill climb. With the extra teams that
get to play in the "first round" now, it really helps BYU's chances of
getting in. Then again, two of those are put on a Sunday play track, so BYU's
chances are less to get one of those games than others. The Cougs defintely
can't stumble against anyone other than St. Mary's or Gonzaga. Even at that I
think they need to go 2-1 against them in order to lock in a bid - or maybe 3-1
or 3-2 with one in the WCC tournament.
I find it interesting that so many people pretend to know anything about college
basketball where they obviously don't. BYU is not independent in basketball
(Honor Code) and the WCC will not be a one-bid league (Sir Robin) and will more
than likely have just as many, if not more, teams in the NCAA tourney than the
Pac-12. Now that is saying something! Besides the fact that the Pac-12 has three
more teams than the WCC, they also have some serious basketball powerhouses that
should be going to the tourney every year! But go ahead and continue your
rhetoric about the WCC being a one-bid league or that BYU plays a soft schedule.
It's just plain comedy to the rest of us that know a thing or two about college
Its an interesting unspoken commentary on how irrelevant the pac 12 has become
in the minds of the national sports media. byu has no wins of note yet they have
a 20 pt win over oregon who is the Pac12 co-leader.I'm guessing that
in their minds they have demoted the pac 12 to somewhere between the WAC and the
big sky conference.
BYU will always be a bubble team from here on out. They have good young players
coming not great ones. Some years they will get in others they won't.College basketball in the state of Utah has already seen it's glory years and
might not have them again. Only Weber has a chance of going to the NCAA
tournament and I think they probably lose in their tournament like last year.
Utah will have two NIT teams for the year is all.
This is not surprising news based on our current record. We lost to USU and
LMU, games we should have won and we haven't beaten anyone of note.To get back in the discussion we would need to win a couple of games we are
not suppose to win. If we win two of the following, we'll be back in the
discussion - Va Tech (away), St Marys (home), Zags (away).The Cougs
are also capable of winning the WCC tourney if the guards can heat up again.
What's happened to the days of Carlino, Zylstra and Winder lighting it up for
20? A healthy Stephen Rogers also increases our chances of getting the crown in
the WCC tourney.
Well there you have it ...the basketball Gods have spoken. No need to even play
Always good to see that this "Independent" thing along with the BYU
Channel has really put BYU on the map of the lower Division I programs!!Those of you that still think BYU will go to the Dance, yes they're
correct, the Stake Dance!
Too bad so sad, they would get beaten in the 1st round anyways. They have no
consistency and besides, BYU knew that their chances to get into the NCAA
tournament were slim at best when they joined the WCC.
Sounds about right. This team is good, but not one to make it very far in the
@ everyone hating on the utes,you guys are trashing us for the fact
that we obviously wont get into the tourney. Why? We all know that, not one of
the ute fans have said otherwise.As to the question of what we're playing
for, we're playing for the practice and the chance to rebuild, same as you guys.
And just for the record, we're surpassing most BYU fan
expectations:Won't win 5 games: did thatWon't win a game without
Jiggy: did thatWon't win a single conference game: won twoGonna be
at the bottom of the Pac: not quite, though admittedly not by much.I
honestly wish BYU the best of luck and hope they get the chance to represent
Utah well in the tourney, but I don't think it's going to happen. All I ask is
to for once, think about the bigger picture. Both Utes and Y fans, enjoy the
rivalry and hate each other WHEN YOU"RE PLAYING, but support a Utah team
regardless when you're facing other opponents. That way, the Utah team's become
better, along with the rivalry games.
So . . . how is this news?Anyone with a basketball IQ knew this
BEFORE the LMU game. BYU had to win ALL of its league games, except the
on-the-road Gonzaga game to earn a place in the tournament.C'mon
guys! Tell us something we don't know. Heck, I even had to post about Jakob
Hartsock last week.News has to be "new." That's why you
get paid the big bucks.
BSR said:"They'll have to win the conference tourney to get in.
In fact, I'm not sure why BYU even plays a regular season. "Why
exactly are the Utes playing this year? And how will they get into the
tourney?I will give you props. You typed out a cogent sentence with
your foot in your mouth. Before you "runaway" like you
usually do, please tell us 1. How the Utes are getting into the tourney 2. what
exactly the Utes are playing for this year.Enquiring minds want to
If BYU wins the next three games, they will be projected back in. @brave sir
robin. One bid league. The WCC has had at least two teams in the NCAA quite a
few times in the last few years. The WCC will get two the Pac 12 will be the
league with one bid. Co-Leader Oregon was man handled by the same BYU team that
you ute trolls are bad mouthing. If BYU can win the next three games, they will
be a very strong candidate for the tourney, whether you like it or not.
Brave sir robin, thats alot to be said for a person who if they support SDSU has
a lot to owe BYU for getting the MWC any credit at all. Seem to remember BYU
and Utah for that matter building the MWC and the WAC for all those years, a few
good seasons for sdsu doe not make them a major factor into building any
conference. So enjoy the fruits of BYU and Utah down in san diego.
I think I read it right that BYU has played in 5 straight NCAA tournaments. My
guess is they earn their way in again.
Just a few thoughts: 1. If BYU goes as an at large team, it will be
a 12 or 13 seed at the worst. Usually at large teams are "ranked" far
better than 64th or so in the nation.2. BYU hardly has to win the
WCC to go to the NCAA tournament. The WCC could easily be a 3 bid conference
this year and will be 2 a two bid conference at the least. The PAC 12 on the
other hand will be struggling to get a 2nd team in.3. This is a big
time rebuilding year for the Cougars. They lost possibly their best player ever
and one of the best defensive players ever. And they are still in contention to
make it to the NCAA Tournament. They are very young. They will be very good in
the next few seasons after this one.4. How are the Utes doing this
Gotta laugh at the hyperbole being spewed by the over-the-hill crowd.Utah is the 11th or 12th best team in a one-bid conference, but the
not-so-brave-one and others of her ilk obsess over BYU possibly being a bubble
team. Bottom-dweller hysteria at its finest.
@Ernest T. Bass: does the basketball team have a tv contract?.....@sportsfanforlife: listening to these ute fans comment on Byu's article you
woulda thought this was relevant to them.are the ute fans bored?
don't get me wrong i love utah sports.. but at the same time there's no need for
cheap shots on the blogs.p.s. how bout them utes? a strong 5-15
start. gotta love that.
re: bigutefanHow in the world can utah have a tougher SOS when the
pac-1x is awful this year. the utes sos will continue to drop as they play in
conference and BYUs will rise again as they face SMC (ranked) once and Gonzaga
twice. It will all work back out- it's just that BYU has finished the series
with some of the nobodies in conference and hasn't played the big boys yet.Just see what happens to your sos when you play usc your one time this
Of course BYU is projected to end up on the outside - they're the third-best
team in a one-bid conference. They'll have to win the conference tourney to get
in. In fact, I'm not sure why BYU even plays a regular season.
per Ernest T. BassYou neglected to mention they are a legacy
So if BYU doesn't go to the tournament. Does this mean that their season was as
successful as Utah?
Strange. I read the entire article, but couldn't find any mention about ESPN's
projection for Utah in the NCAA tournament.
Big deal. It isn't like this is the BcS where politics and fat guys in blazers
decide who is in. Win and you are in.BYU has 4-6 quality games
coming up, depending on seeding in the tournament. Win them all, and they could
be a four or five seed in the tournament.
listening to these y fans all year you woulda thought byu was a for sure6-7 seed
Not surprising, after dropping that ugly game against LMU. On the
upside, BYU has a great opportunity in the next two weeks to prove that they
deserve to be in the NCAA tournament.Wins over Va Tech on the road,
and Saint Mary's and Gonzaga at home, will have BYU right back in the mix. Lose
any of those games, and the Cougars will probably have to win the WCC tournament
to punch their NCAA ticket.
Once again, now is basketball, strength of schedule is becoming a factor for
Provo. CBS Sportsline has BYU's strength of schedule at 90. (Utah's surprisingly
is in the Top 50 for strength of schedule just thought I would throw that in,
for fun.) But typically a weak schedule is a good indicator why the WCC is only
going to get two bids.
Thats not fair! They've earned it with the TV contract and national following.
This is not a surprise. BYU's seed had been dropping despite winning. So why
wouldn't they now be out of the projections after losing to LMU on their home
court?Have to at least split with St. Mary's and Gonzaga. Then do
some damage in the conference tournament. Even then they may not get in.
If we can get consistent performance from our guards, we can win every game left
on the schedule and get into the tournament. If the recent trend of guard play
continues, ESPN is correct.