JoePa definitely made a mistake by not following up, and he admitted that he
should have done more. But I refuse to see this as evidence that he was not of
good moral character. How many other coaches get payed millions then donate the
bulk of it back to the university library while living in a modest home near
campus? How many other coaches love and respect their wives like he did? How
many other coaches truly want their players to be better people by taking
advantage of their schooling opportunity?I'd have to say that he was
naive to trust the athletic director and vice president of the university, but I
don't believe for a second that he "looked the other way" in order to
protect anything or anyone.Also, I think there's a generational
difference with us and our parents/ grandparents. Sexual abuse of a child was so
rare in my grandpas time that he rarely jumps to that conclusion first. Maybe
Joe didn't quite understand what McQuery was explaining?In the end,
that man loved Penn State and his community, not just football.
Instead of focusing on what else Mr. Paterno could have done, perhaps we should
focus on what else we can do. After all, our lifestyle is only maintained at the
expense of thousands of people around the world, and the suffering it causes
likely contributes to problems as serious as these ones.
UfanAs powerful as Paterno was, Sandusky wouldn't have lasted a day
out of jail if that had been JoPa's grandson. Anybody who believes otherwise is
only fooling themselves.
New to UtahStop blaming the messenger.If that had been
JoPa's grandson in the shower with Sandusky, instead of some faceless nobody, we
would have seen how Jo Pa should have responded, instead of how he did
respond.Paterno was a great coach, but his legacy will be forever
tarnished because of his failure to do what was right.
re:UtahBlueDevilFrom the article Jack Flash referenced:Steve Garban,
chair of the Penn State Board of Trustees, and John Surma, vice chairman of the
Penn State Board of Trustees:Coach Paterno remains employed by the
University as a tenured faculty member, they said in a statement released
Thursday. The details of his retirement are being worked out and will be made
public when they are finalized. Generally speaking, the University intends to
honor the terms of his employment contract and is treating him financially as if
he had retired at the end of the 2011 football season.The takeaway
of this incident should be that once anybody becomes aware of a possible crime
against a child (in this case, rape), we all have the obligation to notify the
appropriate LAW ENFORCEMENT officials. Joe Paterno was not going to be
prosecuted as he complied with PA state law. But hopefully we can all agree
there were several people (Joe included) who failed to protect children. It is
not hard to imagine, if I were a parent of one of the victims, how angry and
disgusted I wouild be. Why did Sandusky's career end in 1999?
Re: Anti Bush Obama I am going to tell you something if you never meet Joe
Paterno you can have your beliefs, I hope that you or somebody in your never
have to go through this, because you wouldn't survise. Joe did do alot of good
in his 61 years as a head coach at Penn St. You must not know the law. Hearsay
willn't hold weight in reporting a crime of any type Joe followed by turning it
over to several people at a higher level at Penn State. Joe should have followed
up but he didn't. I futurer believe that you are like so many other quick to
judge people, made one day you will be judge for not doing or taking the proper
action and I hope and pray to god you get the same treatment that you dish out,
wipe everything out over a mistake and are run into the ground and told that any
good you did don't mean a thing. I have meet and went to several lectures this
grat coach gave and I am a better man for it.
"He never bothered to find out about the shower assault child, never
bothered to ask Sandusky what happened."You know this how?Jacl Flash - not sure who the writer was, as he claimed to be a sports
writer, but in sports in general, many many coaches are "fired" and
still get their salary due to contract obligations. "Released" playes
still oftern get their contract rates as you have heard by certain players being
fired yet still not giving their teams salary cap releaf because the team still
needs to pay them.If this is the smoking gun of some contraversy, it
is a cap gun. Joe was months away from dying. He can worked for his employer
for over 40 years, and given much back to the school that was not sports
related. Just perhaps the trustees are a little more compassionate and didn't
want to "fire" a man months from his death. Just maybe, perhaps.But no, for the victims of a crime done by someone else, lets assume the
worst and drag this dead mans name through the mud, before all the evidence is
out. Its more fun that way... and I'm sure the victims feel much better.
Fired? Really? I thought so too until I read an article by Adam Hoge of CBS
Chicago. He pointed out the wording in the press conference when Paterno was
"fired". Search "Joe Paterno was never fired" and see what
The evidence of a coverup are:Sandusky had access to his office, the gym
and shower until he was arrested.Sandusky had access to psu satellite
facilities.Paterno PROMOTED McQuery, the shower incident witness who
didn't call 911 immediately.He reported it to people whose best interest
was to protect the multimillion dollar football program.He never bothered
to find out about the shower assault child, never bothered to ask Sandusky what
Anti Everything guy.... so what exactly is it the Joe did that leads you to
beleive he is as evil as Ted Bundy? Do you just live in
extremeville, spewing hate in everything you do?The dude just died.
His sin is a sin of ommision. And actually not even that because he did report
what was told to him, he simply had a hard time understanding how someone he
know as an otherwise normal person could do something so evil.Very
odd and disturbing you would equate Paterno with Bundy... very very odd.
For all of you BYU fans who are acting so self righteous right now and somehow
fail to think about the lives of victims of this sex abuse, you better be
willing to defend Ted Bundy the way you defend Joe Paterno if you truly believe
what you are saying right now.
How convinient that he dies now. I lost all my respect for this guy. Enabling
child molestation killed everything he accomplished at Penn State. I have no
respect for him.
USAlover:Joe Pa was mot the one who saw Sandusky in the showers. When it
came to his attention he reported it to his superiors. Yes, he should have
followed up more. But having reported it, there is only so much he could do.
HEARING that something happened is not the same as SEEING or KNOWING that
something happened. In the U.S. we assume innocence until proven guilty. While
I do think Joe Pa should have done more, most of the guilt lies with others, and
this one mistake should not overshadow the rest of his career. He was a
positive influence on many.
@Brave Sir RobinHow can you possibly be so dishonest when writing
such false things? "I'm pretty sure that failure to report child
rape is a crime in its own right"- since Joe did report and comply with
the law in all ways, this is a false statement to imply he did not."good at his job, and was willing to cover up crimes to keep it that
way" absolutely false again.
For those who need to see things in a pretty light in order for the world to
work for them--he remains a legend and the victims are just becoming more
annoying every day. I leave them with Joe's own words. "I should have done
Joe Pa inspired and helped thousands of young men, as well as thousands of fans
and families that attended the games.He made some grevious mistakes as
well.I hope that he is rewarded for all the good that he has done,
and that he receives mercy and forgiveness for his sins. I hope that I receive
the same when my time on earth is done as well.
No on here has ever met him spoke with him nada! So just pay tribute to his
storied career and too his iconic figure in College football forever.
Joe Paterno was more than just a football coach. He accomplished many things
outside the football stadium. He once gave a scholarship to a football recruit
who lost a leg in an accident before the young man could enroll. If
his only accomplishments had been as a football coach, they could be summarily
dismissed. Too many people benefitted from his good life and good works.I hope Penn State issues his family an apology for the horrible way they
handled his dismissal.
Forgiveness is God's to bestow; man is always morally obligated (see Matthew
18:21-35, Doctrine and Covenants 64:9-11).
Definition:An accessory (to a crime) must generally have knowledge that a
crime is being, or will be committed. A person with such knowledge may become an
accessory by helping or encouraging the criminal in some way, or simply by
failing to report the crime to proper authority. The assistance to the criminal
may be of any type, including emotional or financial assistance as well as
physical assistance or concealment. To be convicted of an accessory
charge, if one has knowledge of the crime, the accused must generally be proved
to have had actual knowledge that a crime was going to be, or had been,
committed. Furthermore, there must be proof that the accessory knew that his or
her action, or inaction, was helping the criminals commit the crime, or evade
detection, or escape.Paterno's liability depends on PA state law and
what constituted "reporting." Every state should have laws that
require people in authority positions to report the abuse of children to law
enforcement and/or Child Welfare Services.
JohnJacobJumbleHeimerSchmidt said:"No amount of football
success will ever compensate for what happened to those kids in the 10 years he
looked the other way."Who made you the judge, jury, and
My condolences the friends and family of Joe Paterno.Yet, Forgiveness of Joe's lapses are not for us to bestow, but the purview of the
victims and their families.I hope as a society we have learned
On another note: Two years ago my son lived in St College for a couple of years
doing odd jobs, menial work and just trying to get by. He said he would often
see Mr. Paterno walking home and that he was a down to earth regular
"Joe" who would greet or speak to him as anyone else would. Well,
actually, better than many other people. Probably better than many posters
(myself included) on this site tend to treat people fallen on hard times.
Please people remember it is not for us to judge him. It is for God to do so.
May he have eternal peace and rest in the Lord.
After a few years of searching for any viable reason to terminate Joe Paterno,
Penn State's Board of Trustees jumped at the chance to associate Joe with the
Sandusky scandal. Paterno's termination and public humiliation killed the
passion and stole the soul of this honorable and generous man who devoted his
life to Penn State.In death, Joe's soul has been returned to the
rightful owner. Now, one has to wonder how each and every member of Penn
State's Board of Trustees can live with themselves.
It is sad that Paterno is going to be remembered for what he did not do. I in
no way condone sex abuse and Jerry Sandusky should be punished to the full
extent of the law. Paterno should have done more and he didn't follow up which
was a big mistake. "Joe Pa" biggest legacy he leaves to college
football was the way he approached the game. He was not about "fan
fare" or glory, he was about preparation and hard work and he also was a
Coach who respected the other team. Too many times in college sports respect is
pushed aside for your own greatness and it is sad that this respect is lost
during the height of competition.
And here is the common thread I really dislike. Joe is guilty of not doing
enough to prevent someone from doing something wrong. For this, he is being
judged just as harshly as the one who actually committed these crimes.I am so glad there are so man of you out there that have not committed a
"sin or crime" of omission - that haven't driven by a stranded
motorist, seen an accident and not stopped to render aid, had neighbors that
we're having problems, or like in my case, a friend who committed suicide. To
all you who haven't committed one of these sins of omission I tip my hat to
you. Sainthood personified.Since I am one who has failed to do all
I should have done, more than once, I can feel empathy for Joe, for the moral
heartache he must have had in his final days, for the friends who turned their
back on him, and the jug dement of those who never did have to walk in his
shoes. I think Joe should be honored for his contributions to
football, for the man he was, and also learn from his errors as an imperfect
For those of you that think Coach Paterno was a "bad man" or failed
the morality test I suggest that it's you that have failed.Men like
Coach Paterno are from another time. He lived his life with the belief that
people were like him - good, honest, hard working and committed to his passion -
which in this case was building the character of the young men he coached. They never think about things like you do - they are too focused on the
good in the world and the old ways that drive them to build character.No player that ever played at Penn Sate would say less. He pushed his players
to graduate and become successful in life. He was a beloved man because he was
a good man. Perhaps he was naive about these types of horrible
things - the vast majority of men from his time are naive to these terrible
deeds. What he was not naive to was hard work, dedication and
becoming the best you can. Perhaps if America was more like him we
would be in a better place - instead we all seem to quick to judge a person
whose life goals was excellence.
It's all too easy to criticize a dead man in the court of public opinion.I'm appalled that so many are willing to pillory Joe Paterno before the
courts have even finished judging Sandusky.Doesn't "Joe
Pa" deserve the same withholding of judgment? Can't we wait at least until
the courts have delved into the case, rendered a judgment and concluded exactly
how Joe Paterno was involved?The man isn't even dead 24 hours and
many, in their almighty wisdom, have decided that Joe Paterno is guilty.What does it say about our society when we don't even allow Joe
Paterno's family the dignity of holding his funeral before jumping in with zeal
and publicly and verbosely proclaiming him guilty?To those who think
they know exactly what went on, you need to remember that newspaper and media
reports are not reliable. If they were then "Dewey" would have been
the 34th President of the United States.
Hawkeye79 you've posted the only true and respectful response of all the others.
The article that was written about his death other than reported highlights
what he did on and off the field. He was more than a football coach. He
touched the lives of everyone he came in contact with. He was more moral, more
righteous than 3/4 of the posters on this board, including probably even myself.
Hindsight is always 20/20. He fully admits that he didn't know what to do.
Really, how many of us have been put in that same position. Before you condemn
him for his part maybe some of you need to understand. He reported it to his
superiors. It was heresay for him to say anything to the police because he
didn't witness it himself. The so-called witness says he reported it to the
police, but nothing I repeat nothing is shown in a police report. So how can
any of you fault Coach Paterno shows your own holier than thou attitude.
For whatever this may add to the discussion, the program access Sandusky had was
not granted to him by Joe Paterno. Sandusky's on-campus office and access was
given to him by the University President, who watched JoePa's 400th win with
Sandusky as an invited guest in the presidential box.Paterno's
biggest folly was not following up. He informed the university administration
about a second-hand account concerning a retired member of Paterno's staff. He
saw nothing, but simply heard the account from a subordinate. Those in charge
of the investigation then kept Sandusky around. If you reported a similar
account to the police and later saw that the accused individual was free, should
you be held accountable for not following up if the person was free simply
because the police officer did not do his/her job?It is a pity that
Paterno's legacy will be tainted simply because he trusted that others were
doing their job.
It's easy for some of you still have no sense of forgiveness, all the sexual
abuse that happen in Utah after the Joe P case went public and maybe before you
condem Joe P maybe you need to be comending all the people in Utah that has
abused children too, or sexual sandal. I for one believed that Joe Paterno did
make mistakes in the way he handled the abuse case, and hind site is 20/20. What
about what happen at BYU, volition of the Honor code I don't hear you people
codeming BYU when they do wrong. Show some respect for the dead man and to his
family, not one posting was there any show of comfort said to his family, holy
@New to Utah...etalHe was a great coach...there is no doubt. But was he a
great man??? That's the question that will forever linger in peoples minds.
Before this story broke he seemed to have been...but now...it's not a certainty
that he was. As JJJHS has already said...all that glory does not compensate
him...if he did turn his back on any of these kids.(Just another
Voice... also from Payson,Utah)
Hearing JoePa's comments last month was further proof that he still didn't
understand what he did wrong...or what he didn't do right. Sex crimes against
children is serious crime, perhaps the most serious. And because they are
children, they lack the resources to stand up and protect themselves. We,
adults, must do it for them.You don't report sex crimes against
children perpetuated by a fellow coach, who you see everyday and have contact
with EVERY DAY, and then ASSUME things will be handled. Any real man would have
stopped what happened in the shower that day and dragged the pervert to
authorities directly. Any real man would have followed up on the matter with
authorities because any true man would not want a trusted coach by his side for
15 years who is a child molester. Any true man would have ACTED!I
regret such a good man as Paterno was so trusting and naive as to let such
allegations go by the waste side. He deserved better but earned what he got.
At first, I too excused Paterno's actions regarding the sexual abuse of
"at-risk" children. After all, Paterno reported it to his superiors.
But the truth is, no one held more sway than Joe Paterno. Sandusky continued to
be a presence around Penn State. Sandusky had fund raisers for his charity
attended by the assistant coach who witnessed the abuse first hand. I cannot
comprehend being able to even look at Sandusky after witnessing such a horrible
crime. Man's inhumanity to man is stunning.It is sad Paterno's
legacy ended the way it did. But the greatest tragedy is how Paterno and others
inaction facilitated the destruction of children.
To those who are so self-righteous, "Let him who is without sin cast the
It takes 20 years ( or 50 plus) to build a reputation and 5 minutes to destroy
it- Warren Buffet
The media should have been writing an article every day about the criminal
Sandusky. But that's boring. That doesn't sell newspapers. So instead the
media twisted the story to make it seem about Joe Paterno, because he is well
known.Not enough has been written to condemn McQuery for the way he
mishandled reporting. He is the witness. He is the one who should have called
police. Paterno knows about football. Going to him about the Sandusky issue is
like asking your grandfather to figure out what's wrong with your computer.
He's not going to be able to figure it out. There is someone better able to fix
Joe Paterno, after his notice of the 2002 incident, allowed Sandusky, into
practices, on the field for games, into the locker room, and onto bowl game
trips with young men from Second Mile. Paterno also claims he'd never heard of a
man sexually abusing a male minor. Paterno was part of the cover up
and allowed a most horrific tragedy to perpetuate.
He said he did what he thought was right at the time. Who are we to say
otherwise? So much suffering takes place in the world everyday and we pretend
like it doesnât. Let God judge the man and may he rest in peace.
Joe you are a legend and a good man surrounded by those who gravy trained on
your name and good will. It is sad that your brutes, Mr. Sandusky, betrayed you
and now your name will be tarnished by the evils that live in the hearts of
@New to Utah"...someone else's crimes."I'm
pretty sure that failure to report child rape is a crime in its own right.@NeilT"His heart was in the right place."You sure about that? Seems to me he was nothing more than a man who was very
good at his job, and was willing to cover up crimes to keep it that way. Would
you look at the guys who ran Enron and say their hearts were in the right
place?Joe Paterno was as great of a failure off the field as he was
a success on it.
Dissapointing that such a great career had to end the way it did. His heart was
in the right place.
No amount of football success will ever compensate for what happened to those
kids in the 10 years he looked the other way.
A truly great coach has died and will be missed.I believe that people will only
want to remenber how he left the sport that he truly love and devoted his life
to for 61 years.The man made a mistake that cost him what he loved most college
football. My heart and my prays go out to his family, that lost a father and a
husband, and a granfather. Joe Paterno did alot for Penn State in the years that
he coach him and should be remenber for that and not just for the sex sandal
that cost the man his job, he did do alot of good, and he will be held
accountable only tto God, and not the people who spoke of ill of one mistake he
did. The man did accept his part in not going to the police and believed that
the system and chain of command at Penn State would handle the problem, and they
are the ones that dropped the ball. Joe lost his job and so did the president
and other which were as guilty as Joe.
Joe Paterno was a great football coach and human being. It is disgraceful that
an overzealous media and a politically correct mainstream media sought to
discredit his achievements because of someone elses crimes. So much of what
transpired to cause the firing of Joe Paterno lacked context, fairness and
balance and now he is dead with not the dignity he deserved. He did not break
any law, he reported the incident, he cared about those being abused. The
lifetime of serving young men and being a winner now has an asterisk,