Published: Saturday, Jan. 21 2012 1:00 p.m. MST
I aam a firm believer that some of you believe that it's ok to break the law,
but I am here to say that as long as the the laws that are put into laws state
that it's a crime to be in this country illegally than I am for up holding the
laws of this land, and people who breaks the law needs to be held accountable.
There are long waiting list to get into this country and I a firm believer that
those people waiting to enter this country the legal way should get the frist
shot at coming to this country and not the ones who are here illegally. They
should be deported and if it takes them years to come back so be it. Their
children wether they are born in this country should not be illegal citzens,
because their parents broke the laws to enter this country and needs to be
deported with them, so that they don't create a burden on our systems. I am a
firm believer that the churches need to stay out of these issues, or face losing
their noprofit status.
It's a sad day in America when anyone who resists the invasion of this homeland
is labeled a bigot, a racist, and a non-Christian. If the Japanese had
accomplished a west-coast landing during WWII, some of you would be saying,
"Well, we're a nation of immigrants, so what's the problem?" When the
Spanish were landing in Central and South America and practicing genocide with
the native population, I suppose the people should have said, "We're a
nation of immigrants, so what's the big deal?" Just because people don't
come armed to the teeth doesn't mean they don't do heavy damage to our nation.
"Oh, they just want a better life for themselves and their families."
The same could be said of the bank robber; he just wants a better deal, and is
willing to take from others without permission . . . that's all. I suppose all
true Christians should give them the keys, the passwords, and whatever else they
want; anything less just wouldn't be charitable.
I keep hearing people use "render unto Caesar that which is Caeser's"
as an argument that we should drop compassion. First, he said that to Pharisees
who were planning to condemn him for blasphemy or rebellion against the
government. Last I checked, this is America where I shouldn't have to worry
about being fined for giving someone food or a ride. I'm sure Jesus wants us to
respect laws, but he was also pretty vocal when laws were morally wrong (he
refused to talk to Herod when he was ordered to, why didn't he render that to
Herod?) and he was compassionate to the woman caught in adultery even though she
broke the law.Second, what was Christ's first commandment? Love God!
His second? Love thy neighbor as thyself (and even as He loves us). I'm ok with
border control, but when we act irritated by their presence it really proves
that we love ourselves more than we love them. I understand that we can't help
everyone, but can we cut the intolerance?I feel so grateful to be in
America and I'm sad others can't have as much freedom as me> I don't hate
them for wanting it.
I've said this several times: How can any person, aside from soldiers who defend
our freedom, act like they've earned freedom. "We hold these
truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed
by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life,
liberty and the pursuit of happiness."Freedom is a gift from
God that EVERY human should have. It's sad that not everyone can be free at this
present time, but how awful is it that people on this board feel entitled to
it?If you or a family member served in our armed forces, I thank you
for defending our freedom and ask that you disregard my next statement (for you
truely have earned freedom). None of us have earned freedom, we are fortunate to
have it given to us. My ancestor gave up everything he had to come to America.
He earned it. All I did was be born on the right side of the border.It's very hypocritical for anyone to claim that they earned freedom while an
illegal is a criminal for wanting it. Show some compassion and end the hatred.
If you are here illegally aren't you breaking more than just one law. If you are
working either your are not reporting your income to IRS which would get the
rest of us thrown in jail or you are lying about who you are and using either a
fake or stolen SSN. As I understand it each of these offenses is a felony. As
far as having compassion and not separating families due to breaking the law
then we should have compassion and no one should ever be sent to jail for
breaking man made laws, because they have families too. But then again I'm sure
it's not a big deal when someone steals your identity and ruins your credit and
you have to spend tons of money and time fixing it. Nope doesn't hurt a sole. I
guess if you are here illegally and just live off legal family members then you
aren't breaking more than one law. I sure that is rare though.
Everyone-The law? To these "law" arguers- I have a
religious argument for you. I know it's easy to set aside religious ideas as
fanatical and superstious. But this argument is reason and logic, and I
challenge any one of you to prove otherwise."They say unto him,
Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. Now Moses in the law
commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?" Jesus
replied "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at
her."There is no universal law of existence that requires us to
enforce an eye for an eye. There is no force in existence that requires us to
banish, deport, expel, or forcibly remove someone from this land.Do
I support their undocumented and unlawful choice? No. However, until every last
American can prove they've never broken a law, I believe that forcing millions
of families apart is ungodly, wrong, even disgusting.Shouting
"remove them!" is un-American. If you won't accept the poor, needy,
etc- I'd argue immigrants are more American. I'd rather my neighbor need my
help than refuse to help others. Is that so insane?
jim l | West Jordan, UTThe media is at it again, with these
tear stained stories about the poor illegals.===========Don't blame the media for reporting facts.The gospel says, 'When I
was hungry, you fed me. When I was lonely, you comforted me. When I was in
prison, you visited me.' No scripture ever said, 'If I had documentation, then
you gave me food.'If you think it's a crime to be a good samaritan
like the weeping woman in the photo, then you need to re-evaluate things.Maybe tomorrow during Sacrament?
to...Say No to BO | 3:43 p.m. Jan. 21, 2012 IMMIGRATION LAW DOESN'T WORK,
period!This is an issue of years, while politicians and white people get
their pockets full of money, we willlet illegals to do low wage, no benefits
jobs, that by the way NOBODY else will do.Most of these people have family
members that are permanent residents or even citizens but the law doesn't work
on their side, it takes more than 8 years for them to get their papers under a
family member, fair? I don't think so!
It never ceases to amaze me how so many people can be so concerned about
somebody else breaking the law. But in the same breath, they can completely
excuse the times they do it. Don't believe me? Drive to Vegas down I-15 some
time and take notes of how many Utah cars are breaking the speed limit, and some
of them are shattering it. Breaking the law doesn't seem to bother us unless
it's somebody else breaking it. What hypocrites we all are.
People don't become compassionate by wanting our laws ignored. People don't become humane by accepting lawbreaking (that goes far beyond
speeding). Do children learn by rewarding their bad behavior, or by
punishment? If the pro-illegal folks really cared, they would of
told the people to come here legally. This is nothing more than a push for cheap
@Sportsfan21The key is "all men are created equal". By
supporting illegal immigration you are primarily supporting one race and
nationality above all others. You are holding them up as a more privileged
class of people. You are at the same time spitting in the face of those who
would love to come to our country legally and uphold and respect our laws.
Immigration Laws, even they have flaws, were passed to create a fair and orderly
process of immigration. The true racists are the ones that continue to feign
compassion for the illegals when their true motivation is cheap labor. Those
that are so quick to call law abiding citizens bigots should be ashamed of
themselves. Do we, who are for legal immigration, have compassion for those who
are less fortunate? Of course we do. Do we think that supporting them as they
commit one felony after another will benefit them? No, of course we don't. And
we won't put up with the continued effort to allow the current, illegal
practices that damage the U.S. economy and its citizens to continue.
Hunt,You really have the audacity to claim that I'm favoring latinos
by asking for compassion? I'm not even pro amnesty or anti border control! Since
you love putting words in my mouth, let me sum up what I think you're trying to
say:"I go by the name of Hunt and I'm from Spanish Fork. I
earned my freedom because I was smart enough to pick the womb of a legal
citizen. Because I'm an American, I have the right to look down on anyone who
wants what I have. I can call them criminals, demand that they receive no
compassion when a law limits others from feeding them, and never give it another
thought because, hey, it's not my problem. I'm the one with rights,"News flash: Even though I agree illegal immigration is hurting the
economy, I can use my brain and understand why Alabama's law is racist. If it's
against the law to give an illegal a ride in my car, which race will I be really
hesitant to pick up? And do you really think those landlords and business owners
will be equally skeptical of white people?No? Then it's a racist
@CougarblueI'm sorry but there is a big difference between speeding
on your way to Vegas and committing a felony through document fraud and identity
My brother lived in Alabama working construction for 15 years. He has a wife and
two children, plus a house (had). But 4 years ago the job market was so flooded,
that he was laid off. Illegal workers were the only ones kept on, along with a
few supervisors. My brother lost his house, and moved to Utah, long enough to
drop off his wife and kids at her parents. The kids were pulled out of school,
their possessions lost after they could not pay the storage fee. My brother goes
from temp job to temp job, sending money home when he can. This is America?
This is compassion? Compassion is extended on a personal basis, not by ignoring
Jonathan Eddy, it's multiple felonies to work here. And God has said that we are
to obey mans laws, unless they conflict with his commandments. None
of his commandments give permission for illegal immigration to increase wealth.
They do tell us not to steal, lie and covet.
@sportsfan21I treat everyone equally. If someone is in need, I will
give them aid. If someone is hungry, I will feed them. It's not my job to
determine who is illegal and who is not. That's the job of our government.
Something they fail to do. Now, will I knowingly hire an illegal? No. Will I
encourage an illegal to take advantage of the system? No. No one
is going to arrest you for feeding the hungry or aiding the poor in Alabama.
They will arrest you if you are knowingly aiding the illegal behavior of others,
there is a big difference. Laws aren't created to comfort those who choose
to break them. People who choose to deceive, steal and lie should not be
comforted and aided in their attempts to continue the practice as that very
practice does real tangible harm to others. As a side note, since
Alabama's immigration laws were passed, they have seen a dramatic decrease in
their unemployment rates. Funny how that works.
Hunt,That's not what the Alabama law says, and that's what we're
talking about. This law makes it a crime to hire, rent, house, or help transport
any illegal immigrant. It's meant to make every illegal want to leave but it
really just makes other people afraid to help a brown person in any way (since
they could be illegal). If you really believe in treating people
equally, picture this: You are going to rent a house in Alabama to a family. 2
families ask to see the place (one white and one hispanic). They both have
proper identification. Which one will you rent to? The hispanic family that you
suspect forged papers? Or the white family? Remember that if the hispanic family
is illegal you could be hit with a heavy fine.Tell me, would you
pick the hispanic family? I'm guessing you'd cover your butt and rent to the
white family.That's why Alabama's law is racist and that's why I'm
against it.I'm out of posts for this topic, but tell me if you would
enjoy being a legal hispanic person in Alabama right now when everyone's afraid
of hiring you?
"Romans 13, Christians are told they are under "biblical mandate to
respect the divinely ordained institution of government and its just laws."
But the Bible also commands believers to "show compassion and
justice for the sojourner and alien among us."These statements
are not at odds. Enforcing immigration laws has nothing to do with compassion.
It's enforcing a law. The sojourner and alien among us have laws they must
follow. A sojourner is a person who resides temporarily in a place. Not someone
who takes up permanent residence. Israels new immigration laws put
people in jail for 14 years with no trial. We are still ignoring
Americans and legal immigrants, and calling for them to be treated with
As far as this article goes, according to Alabama lawmakers,
âharboringâ an illegal immigrant is only a crime if it is done with
the intent to keep the person shielded or hidden from the authorities.
Transporting illegal immigrants would only be considered illegal if the person
does so âin furtherance of the unlawful presenceâ of the immigrant
in the United States.From what I have read, giving rides to church
or to the store does not constitute a violation of the law.
So many people with experience and knowledge about this article subject!!!Both sides are wrong here, but I will say that "our" side is
worsed.Most of the illegal immigrant came here for a better life,
have you check the process for someone in latin america to obtain a work or
papers here? I'm not justifiying illegal immigration but we need to be fair,
it's almost impossible without a co-signer or help from someone here, a US
citizen.Our politicians have done NOTHING to solve this issue,
NOTHING, why? because they're (illegals) are cheap and if we don't need them
anymore, we deport them. that's why we keep a number to do our "dirty"
jobs.White people: don't talk or act like the nazis, you know that
they blamed jews for the economy, jobs and benefits like YOU do. please WE NEED
EACH OTHER, I hope our super politicians can solve it and make something to help
each one of us AND THEM!
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