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Published: Saturday, Jan. 21 2012 1:00 p.m. MST

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jim l
West Jordan, UT

The media is at it again, with these tear stained stories about the poor illegals. Why not a story about all the hardships they have caused because of the wage suppression and lost jobs for the average american? Or the increased costs of health care because of the illegals? Or the greedy americans who want to hire the illegals instead of paying a decent wage? I dont see any of those kinds of articles.

Trooper55
Williams, AZ

I am a firm believer that you need to keep state and church apart. There is also some bible veres that state you must follow the law of the govt. and render unto Ceaser and what is god to god. I believe that if you are here illegally, you are breaking the law and people that helps the illegalls are breaking the law too, furter if a church choses to break the laws they need to lose their noprofit status and be subject to court action. There are many people waiting to come to this country the legall way and should be given the frist shot at coming here. I also believe that if you are here illegally, then you get none of the benifits that legal people get no foodstamp, no medical, no schooling and no in state tution. What you get is deported, or go to jail and then deported and not allowed to return to this country without the proper papers and if it take 10 years to do so be it. I am tired of my money going to keep the illegals here.

Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

Whatever happened to the notion I was taught at home and at church that if you aren't doing anything wrong you can hold your head up high and walk through town without fear or shame? And if you do the crime, expect to pay the consequences sooner or later.
These people are afraid for good reason; they are breaking the law and living a lie. And they bring children into the world in the midst of this careless lifestyle.
They are no longer in control of their destiny because they are living outside the law. Don't blame the so called "mean-spirited" people of Alabama.
And we get the message when the Deseret News assigns two reporters to write this piece. We get the message. We just don't buy it.

Jonathan Eddy
Payson, UT

Daniel refused a government edict and chose God's higher law to continue praying.

I too choose a higher law to serve my neighbor, with or without a green card.

I sure hope God is merciful to me as I now openly break a man made misdemeanor law.

jim l
West Jordan, UT

Jonathan, there is a difference. This is not the same thing. Those that hire illegals are paying a poor wage and then they ask the rest of us to make up for what they are not paying. We are asked to subsidize their wages by paying for their health care, education, rent, etc. etc. This is not charity, its a tax.

Mary E Petty
Sandy, UT

We are a nation of immigrants, whose greatness has been her people and their willingness to unite together in the common cause of American Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. Today's Immigration law maybe called legal, but it is certainly flawed and doesn't work as intended. America is at risk from such law. It is immoral, capricious, and irrational. It needs to be fixed so people can come to the US in an equitable and humane manner that has been America's historical melting pot. Immigration is a key component of America's greatness and should not be shut in some supposed legal mumbo jumbo that denies our roots. May cooler heads prevail this year as our representatives work together to find the best solution for instituting good immigration law. I for one hope that the Utah Compact will continue to lead out and help our fellow states and the federal government resolve our modern day immigration mess.

sg
newhall, CA

It is her right as a free thinking citizen to do what she does, but it is in no way God's role in breaking the laws of the land. In fact, it is contrary to what He and His Son taught. Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's. This teary coverage does nothing the remedy or correct or appease the citizens of the United States. Yes, we take care of our own (questionable at times) and help the many throughout the world, but to continue to ignore the financial abuse caused by so many who refuse to obey the laws, no. We are done. It is time to seal the borders. It is time to take all entitlement programs away. It is time to repeal the Dream Act. It is time to demand that everyone must speak English in this country. There should no longer be a bi-lingual anything. The anger expressed throughout this country increases, and not against the 1 percentage (which I believe is a smoke screen, a diversion), but rather should be directed against law breakers.

DN Subscriber
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Those who choose to commit crimes (including violating immigration laws) suffer consequences. Sometimes legal consequences, other times social or employment consequences.

It is disgusting that the news media refuses to stand up for the law abiding citizens and instead choose to side with the lawbreakers.

It is fine to argue that our immigration laws should be changed (although I believe they need enforcement rather than change) but to use the power of the media to deceptively portray crimianls as "victims" is unethical.

Legal immigrants are a welcome asset to our great country, but criminals are not.

Casca
Orleans, IN

It just goes to show that as illegal aliens flee Alabama, Utah the unemployment rate is dropping for American labor--as according to several reports? Enforcement policing protocols are having the desired effect, which proves that state immigration laws do work if practiced and not neglected. My guess is that although I have not heard of any similar hiring statistics in Arizona, Georgia, South Carolina and even Utah, but it wouldnt surprise me if this news hasnt been suppressed by the newspapers and the central government. It will be very interesting to learn if promises are kept by the 4 remaining presidential personages. Even Gingrichs agenda to give the long time illegal aliens some form of pardon, without citizenship whereas, I hate to think of a returned President Obama has in-store for the United States. Whatever his idea of enforcing immigration laws are, it will just attract even more impoverished and criminals to arrive via our almost unprotected border or by international jet.

gottscheer
APO, AE

I have a hard time feeling sorry for people who knowingly break laws. I'm sorry I'm so hardhearted, but my family came from Europe and had to wait and wait and even had sponsors who would pay there way and make sure they weren't a burden on the citizens of the country. These people should have waited so they could lawfully come into the United States. To the Latter-day Saints who encourage this breaking of the law, the 12th Article of Faith is quoted thus: "We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law." If I remember right this is the very reason Wilford Woodruff announced the reason for discontinuing the practice of plural marriage. President Woodruff did this after exhausting all legal remedies. I will ask that Latter-day Saints who can't live by the laws that they raise their arm to the square to, would please surrender their Temple Recommends until they are honoring and sustaining the laws of the land and being honest with their fellowmen.

Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

@Mary E Petty
The law is just fine, thank you (except the chain migration part which is not in the best interest of our nation).
If indeed we had migration at around 250,000 per year and the political will to deport that who are not here legally, we would see:
*Higher wages for those of few skills
*Lower unemployment among minorities and the poor
*Less-crowded clsasrooms
*More social services available to care for our own
*Safer roads and streets
*Better assimilation of our language and customs

Alas, politicians and preachers are looking for more customers and playing identity politics.

The problem isn't the law; it's the pandering in the name of power, using illegal aliens as the pawns.

Third try screen name
Mapleton, UT

Could it be the DN is publishing this tripe because the Utah Legislature is in session?

JayTee
Sandy, UT

The bleeding never seems to stop: the bleeding heart liberals, journalists, politicians, and ecclesiastical types who want to bleed the taxpayer and citizen worker just a little more, and have all kinds of supposed rationale to justify the whole scam. Real charity has nothing to do with government confiscation of asssets and income to support those who don't want to play by the rules. It's amazing how much trouble we're in already because of our non-enforcement of laws already on the books, and it's equally amazing that we have so many people who want to compound the mistakes by being even more flacid and careless. I just wish those who advocate this stuff were the only ones paying the freight for it.

Tyler Ray
Taylorsville, UT

I'm afraid people in this great state and the state of Alabama are judging too quickly. Do you know what it's like to live the life of some of these immigrants? Have you tried legally coming to the United States from a third world country? If anyone has, I'd love to hear your story of how difficult or easy it was? Because at least then it'd be a credible judgement.

Not too long ago it was illegal for a black person to sit in a bus, eat at a restaurant, etc as a white person. I believe in obeying, honoring and sustaining the law, but I also am open minded enough to know that the laws aren't perfect.

peter
Alpine, UT

sg, Paul Ryan presented a workable plan to ease Americans out of the entitlement mess that the feds originally created, and Obama rejected it. Obama is our biggest obstacle to resolving illegal immigration and entitlements. Big government is always the problem, never the solution to any of the problems they in the first place created. People need to quit voting for hard core liberals at any level.

SLars
Provo, UT

If these Churches really cared, they would be telling these people to come here legally and to follow the laws. It would help people in the future to avoid these problems. But none seen concerned about preventing it.

This acceptance of crime and dishonesty is destroying our country from within.

The Rock
Federal Way, WA

A member of my ward is 60 years old and used to be a concrete finisher. At one point he owned his own concrete finishing business. First he was forced to give up his business due to competition from illegal aliens. They he had to leave his home in Reno, Nevada and move to Seattle. Illegal aliens in Reno so depressed the wages that he could not make a living there.

I obviously feel sooooo sorry for the illegal aliens.

They break into our country, steel jobs from our children and some how I am the bad guy when I complain. Give me a break.

A voice of Reason
Salt Lake City, UT

Why the divide? Because Christianity inherently means believing in justice and mercy. The problem is that many people are persuaded into a mentality that their own God commanded against. Love thy neighbor didn't mean 'except under these circumstances'.

One cannot hold the belief that their first priority is the family and think that the 'send them back or jail them' mentality promotes that belief. I watch probably over 90% of drivers speed past me on the freeway while I stay in the right lane and go the speed limit. By all means, I don't believe in locking everyone else up. Are any of us perfectly law-abiding citizens? Probably not. What matters isn't enforcing the law. A ruthless monarch can enforce the law all the same. This country was founded to welcome those in need into a free world. No matter how much people may push our laws away from that purpose, there is no freedom in receiving help and not extending it.

The most universally true rule I've been convinced of is that when you get help you give it, to raise others up. Everyone receives help, yet far fewer are willing to give even an ounce back.

BobP
Port Alice, B.C.

How sad. The selfish excuse about illegals causing unemployment is purse falacy. The sheer bigotry of many of the comments are stunning.

cris
Hamilton, IL

Ah yes bigotry is alive and well. Just ask the evangelicals who won't vote for a candidate who is Mormon.

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