Alabama's immigration law dividing religious community


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  • rked HOUSTON, TX
    Jan. 24, 2012 12:17 p.m.

    If the churches cared at all for those in this country Illegally, then they would buy them a bus ticket & encourage them to Leave...Anything else is aiding & abetting aka enabling their Many CRIMES...!!!--when your teenager gets off track & mixed up in drugs, wrong friends whatever do you Score drugs for them???--NO, you must strengthen your resolve & administer a little Tough Love...IF you enable (as the Churches Are doing), then you just exacerbate the problem & prevent a Solution from happening...These churches have chosen to "don the blinders" And completely Ignore the Crimes committed by these Illegal invaders...they Are STEALING from America & her People, MANY of which sit in the same pews on Sunday...WHERE is the Churches compassion For Them...???!!!

  • Captain Green Heber City, UT
    Jan. 24, 2012 11:00 a.m.

    America has allowed in more than 1 Million legal immigrants per year since the 1980s. That is more than all other nations combined!

    No one can claim that our immigration policy is broken, unless you feel that that number is too large, which it is.

    We should not only be sending back illegal immigrants, but we should be cutting the number allowed to come here legally as well... until we can afford to fix our system and get things under control.

    Right now we are headed for a serious disaster of monumental proportions... with our federal government totally out of control and our debt and unfunded obligations burdening the next couple of generations with "$120 Trillion!"

    There is almost no way we can recover from that without a total collapse first.

    Jan. 24, 2012 2:52 a.m.

    The US has a law on the books to prevent this already. At 18 the woman is suppose to return home and apply for a student visa or residency. (6 month window). These children turned adults are moved to the front of the line.

    If they don't, they are just as illegal as their their parents. The 10 year penalty for being here for one year illegally, (3 years for 6 months)is a deterrent for illegal immigration. It's difficult for most people to rectify their situation, when they have broke the law.

    I have relatives that are here legally from Mexico. I see the much different life they lead compared to those here illegally. It's to bad the pro-illegal people, media, churches, some politicians can't walk in the footsteps of those here legally and start promoting legal immigration.

  • Just Another Guy Washington, Utah
    Jan. 24, 2012 12:15 a.m.

    I can't blame many of the illegals for wanting to come here especially when it is so easy to do so. Many if not most are illiterate even in their own language. They are ignorant. They really are. I know because I used to employ hundreds of them. I'm not saying they are unintelligent but they are ignorant and disrespectful because of their ignorance.
    It is easy to sneak into the country.
    It is easy for them to get work... Shouldn't we be upset with those who hire them? Hello!!!
    We should be infuriated with those that hire the illegals!!!

    Those who have compassion should help them, feed them, cloth them and give them a care package for their trip home with a promise that they will continue to get help if they care about them. Then the should go and help them help themselves.
    If you really want to help them, go their and teach them how to fish not bring them here and give them fish.

  • marcamus goochland, va
    Jan. 23, 2012 8:39 p.m.

    A true scenario. Policeman falls in love and marries a girl. She came here when she was two with her parents. Turns out she does not have a legal right to be here. She is currently illegal. They want to fix the situation. The only way under current law is for her to go home for ten years. So, what to do?

    The policeman described how he was very much anti-illegal immigration until it happened to him and saw how utterly impossible it is for people of most nations to rectify their situations. I see this time and again. Until you walk a mile in someone's shoes, please do not judge as if you know exactly what their situation is.

  • Trooper55 Williams, AZ
    Jan. 23, 2012 4:32 p.m.

    I have read alot of the post and can't agree with some. I believe that the law is the law and needs to be follow, until they change the law or it makes it's way through the justice system. I myself don't care if it breaks families up, they knew when they got married that teir spouse was here illegally and chose to break the laws of this nation. The immigration system needs to be changed, but until that happen I must be this way. Some of your post say it's wrong to deine them food , rides and or shelter, but I say deport them back to were they came from and make them enter this country legally. There are alot of people waiting to enter this country, and they must wait. They should be the ones to get the frist shot at entering this country and not the ones who broke the laws and enter this country illegally. I defend this country for over 30 years in the miltary as a reseverist and worked Law Enforcement for over 28 years and now I am retired from both and believe what I believe.

  • Alfred Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 23, 2012 4:30 p.m.


    "Last year he (farmer) decided to offer 50 of those jobs to locals. Big mistake. He couldn't find 50 locals and those few he found were incapable of doing the work. They didn't have the stamina to work an 8 our shift."

    That's because they've grown soft on government handouts. Stop the handouts and they will have to work... or starve.


    "I realize this is mostly about Mexicans but I don't want the Race Factor to be an issue."

    The race factor is fast becoming an issue. We have mostly immigrants (legal/illegal) from Mexico and other Spanish speaking nations. It's projected that within a few years Hispanics will be the majority and the WASP will become a minority race. Then our language will change from English to Spanish. This is what all Hispanics are working and praying for. Hispanic is currently the largest minority group in America, outstripping Blacks.

    All illegals should be treated equal... Deported.

    Agreed... before it's too late. But it's already too late. Our politicians are loath to do anything about illegal immigration. They fear losing the Hispanic vote. Why do you think Obama and his henchman, Holder, does nothing about immigration?

  • Mr. Bean Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 23, 2012 3:44 p.m.

    @A voice of Reason"

    "Love thy neighbor didn't mean 'except under these circumstances.'"

    Supposing your neighbor wanted to move into your home with you, sleep in your bed, and eat your food. Would your comment be the same?

    "What matters isn't enforcing the law."

    Without laws we are not a sovereign nation. Without immigration laws and borders every square inch of this country would be occupied by billions of people. The reason we are a great nation is because we limit who and how many can come here.

    "This country was founded to welcome those in need into a free world."

    And we do welcome millions each year... those who apply, wait in line, and come legally. Those people are welcome. Others are not welcome.

    "The most universally true rule I've been convinced of is that when you get help you give it, to raise others up."

    The US gives billions each year in aid to countries around the world. If you feel that more is needed send a CARE package.

    "Everyone receives help, yet far fewer are willing to give even an ounce back."

    Americans are the most giving people in the entire world.

  • wrz Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 23, 2012 3:24 p.m.

    @Mary E Petty:

    "It (illigration law) needs to be fixed so people can come to the US in an equitable and humane manner that has been America's historical melting pot."

    People can come here. There is a way to come legally. Fill out the papers, pass the simple test and get in line. There are millions upon millions of folks who want to come to America to enjoy our way of life. We can't take them all in nor can we countenance those who break the law to get here. And that includes those who sneak across our borders and those who come here on legal visas but overstay.

    If you want to see why we must stop or at least manage immigration, go to YouTube: 'Immigration Gumballs.'

    "Immigration is a key component of America's greatness and should not be shut in some supposed legal mumbo jumbo that denies our roots.

    Not so. The key component of America's greatness is that we are a nation of laws, and that citizens obey the law. Those who don't, get punished for it.

  • wrz Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 23, 2012 3:12 p.m.

    "But no one has gone quite as far as Alabama, whose law has been branded as radical. Its hard-line stances on hiring and renting to illegals, demands for schools to identify illegal students in classrooms and forbiddance of transporting illegals in any way, shape or form have many up in arms."

    That's the federal law in a nut shell.

    Federal officials such as Eric Holder should be held accountable for upholding the law. And that includes the President who swore a oath, at his inauguration, that he would uphold the US Constitution which says, in part (Article II, Section 3) 'that the President should take care that the laws are carried out faithfully.' Failure to carry out federal immigration laws and suing states who try, is tantamount to reasons for impeachment.

  • Just Another Guy Washington, Utah
    Jan. 23, 2012 1:39 p.m.

    OK, one more comment. Why are we over on the other side of the world trying to help nations with their problems when we have one just south of our own border which is a corrupt mess?

    Is it because Mexico doesn't have anything we want?

  • Just Another Guy Washington, Utah
    Jan. 23, 2012 1:33 p.m.

    There is always a solution. People need to be creative, use common sense and good communication. But more importantly, for those who are religious or spiritual need to listen to their God.
    I don't think God says to harbor illegal fugitives. I think he says feed them, cloth them and help them get to pay there debt if needed. Go to them and help them.

    The issue is illegal immigration and all of the problems that it causes and brings with it.

    I am empathetic and understanding of the plight of our neighbors and I would like to help them. We don't need to invite them here to help them though. We could just tell them to stay where they are at and we will send them money, but that would just be welfare. Or, we could go there and teach them how to take care of themselves so they can take care of themselves. This is, I am told, what the LDS church does by the way.
    Those who have come here to take advantage of the US and all of its generosity should consider this. When you come here earn wages and then send some of those wages back to your homeland, it is just causing a perpetual welfare system (not good by the way). I have seen it. You would do better and be more honorable to take what you have learned and earned here and go back to teach your families, your friends and comrades and help them fight for there liberties. It is selfish if you don't.

  • Dadof5sons Montesano, WA
    Jan. 23, 2012 1:07 p.m.

    None of this would be relevant if one simple thing was followed. OBEY the law! just that simple its called illegal immigration why? because they broke the law! And a punishment is affixed with the choice to break the law. Sorry they broke the law, however we are a Nation of the rule of law and we as a church are to honor and sustain the law of the land we can not pick and chose what laws we keep and what we don't kinda like choosing only the commandments we agree with. won't work there either.

  • Just Another Guy Washington, Utah
    Jan. 23, 2012 1:05 p.m.

    I have not read any comments yet so I don't know if anyone addressed this yet, but did you notice the poll on the first page? The media and or whoever took the poll took the liberty to generalize immigration with illegal immigrants!I've seen this a couple of other times and it is disturbing to me. I think or hope we can all agree that the facts and issues should not be distorted or misconstrued.

    Does anyone know of a media source that shares only the facts and in an unbiased way? If you do PLEASE SHARE!

  • Hunt Spanish Fork, UT
    Jan. 23, 2012 10:16 a.m.


    That is no justification for illegals breaking the law. In fact, illegal behavior makes it even more difficult for that woman to immigrate legally.

    It is impossible for America to take in every down trodden person on this earth that desires to immigrate (see Roy Beck: Immigration by the numbers on youtube). That is why we have a filter called immigration law. A much better solution for so many in need would be to aide them in their country of origin.

    Allowing legal immigration on humanitarian needs only is not a viable answer. The sad part is that Mexico is a very wealthy and prosperous nation compared to most, yet many (either on purpose or inadvertently) are allowing this one demographic of people to receive the majority of the benefits at the expense of other nationalities and races. They seek to allow this one demographic to continue to break the rules and commit felonies that damage the lives of others.

    Any law that seeks to reward this behavior is by definition, discrimination.

  • CWEB Orem, UT
    Jan. 23, 2012 8:54 a.m.

    1. There is no "line" to get in to come to the U.S. What don't you people understand about the process? There is no "line" (first come first serve!) 0.

    A woman files over and over, seeking to come to the U.S. She pays all the money she has. A fortune to her. She is denied over and over. Why? Because she is a woman. She may not own land. She may have little money left after paying the U.S. Consulate fees. Denied. Denied. Denied.

    The system needs to be fixed people! Families, Women with children, escaping brutality come out of desperation to find freedom. What don't you understand?

    Yes, there is some criminal element. But many that have committed a misdemeanor (like you getting a speeding ticket) were trying to work a system that is unworkable, except for the wealthy.

    Until you have lived this misery, and walked in the shoes, try a little compassion. Don't buy into all the media has told you...even our legislature and politicians are misinformed or uneducated...as they rip well-meaning families apart! God bless these wonderful brothers and sisters! --Bless us to love and not hate.

  • dustman Nampa, ID
    Jan. 23, 2012 8:18 a.m.

    Immigration is only a concern during election time.

    It's a subject that reminds people that they are either republican or democrat. Politicians only bring up immigration to get you to vote, not because they have a solution. You're kidding yourself if you think any politician is going to actually do something or has any idea what to do.

    This American government was formed by our ancestors. Our government isn't dead. It's alive because we are now carrying forth the dreams of our ancestors. Believe it or not, our ancestors were just as divided in political thought as we are now. This is the system we've inherited.

    I'm Navajo. I love this land. I appreciate the bleeding hearts that convinced a US government not to exterminate my ancestors and for my ancestors that fought and died for that same result. I feel for other tribes that were moved from their homelands because someone else wanted it.

    This is a special land. I think God has blessed it. I believe there are good people and bad people. But for the most part, everyone here was led by God. There is no easy answer.

  • Mayfair City, Ut
    Jan. 23, 2012 5:59 a.m.

    RRB 1:34 said: As far as this article goes, according to Alabama lawmakers, harboring an illegal immigrant is only a crime if it is done with the intent to keep the person shielded or hidden from the authorities"

    And it was the same crime the Dutch and others committed hiding Jews from the Nazis.

  • BobP Port Alice, B.C.
    Jan. 23, 2012 12:17 a.m.

    Yes, keep yout Utah jobs to yourselves. Keep this I have mine attitudes. When we are ripened in iniquity, then the end cometh.

  • danaslc Kearns, UT
    Jan. 22, 2012 9:44 p.m.

    I think we can see what is happening here. Someone wants to shut us up before the battle begins, in keeping our jobs for the citizens of Utah in 2012.

  • JayTee Sandy, UT
    Jan. 22, 2012 9:31 p.m.

    Once again, it's not a matter of compassion, decency, Christianity, charity, or anything like that. It's about national solvency, national security, and ultimately national survival. There has never been a country that didn't enforce its borders and control access and residency and still survived. If you want to be "charitable," get on over and down to those third-world countries and help them with your own private funds. And as to enforcing the law, I suppose we should let a murderer off the hook just because someone somewhere in the state went 70 in a 65 mph zone . . . same logic. Sooner or later we've got to wake up and face reality. Being blind and weak is not working at all.

  • BobP Port Alice, B.C.
    Jan. 22, 2012 8:03 p.m.

    Ah yes, the strident chorus of those saying, we have ours and we are going to keep it. Even at the cost of simple humanity and decency

  • awsomeron Waianae, HI
    Jan. 22, 2012 7:59 p.m.

    I agree with botdriver.

    I also think that ID Chips at Birth or evan tattooed numbers would be a great idea. We have great record keeping abilities now and I do not just mean America, I mean all over the World. Keep better track of the population from cradle to grave.

    I am not on all fronts sure what to do about this problem in all situations.

    Throwing them all out is one way but I do not think it is the way in all cases.

    Case in point the illegals who have been here and came with there kids and the kids are now teenagers or adults themselfs, America is their main culture and English their main lanague.

    What I do know is that the process is to slow with to many stages and appeals.

    Yes you have familys that are cought up in it and are legal because of place of Birth or Mother or Dad being a Citizen. Yes the family suffers when the adult member is deported. However except in rare cases the family knew and are also breaking the law. I am on Alabama's and Americas side.

  • botdriver Midvale, UT
    Jan. 22, 2012 5:29 p.m.

    Christy for one thing you like others like to throw that this nation is made up of immigrants, Well over 200 years ago it might have been, that doesn't apply anymore, and if you want to be technical, neither are the Mexicans, or did you all forget that.

    and lets put this straight, we as the white and or black races may have killed or defeated to get this country, Yesh black, remember the Buffalo soldiers, but the most guilty of all, are the Spanish races, how many cultures did they destroy in obtaining this country, HMMMM, they are not natural to Mexico, or South America, now are they, right?

    Lets see the Incas? the Aztec? Yucatans, or MAYANS? and smaller cultures we don't know? How about the American Indians in the Southern portion of the U.S.

    So you people who wave a finger at the Europeans, or the British who say that we are the only guilty group that took this country you best remember your books, and remember they KILLED HUNDREDS of thousands or more to obtain it, so

    This country of immigrants phrase, I am sick of it, our ANCESTORS made our country, not us.

  • awsomeron Waianae, HI
    Jan. 22, 2012 1:43 p.m.

    I do not think that this has much to do with Faith it more has to do with breaking the law, and helping people break the law.

    I am on the side of States that have passed tough laws.

    I also believe in ID Check when you have such problems going on. If you check everyone that is not Racial Profileing which I am not against, but is tacky at best.

    I remember a bust in Sandy Utah that came about as people where check who where not breaking the law, they just looked different.

    Some illegals are White and many other races. It does not mean you are legal just because your White and talk with a Southern Accent.

    I just wish that you could apply some of there tough laws to Abortion.

    If the Feds will not act then the States have got to act. If they do not act it is the same as saying its okay. Which it is not because its both against the law and eats your Tax Dollars.

    How long do you think you would last as an Illegal in Mexico, trying to obtain the same things that illegals are in America.

  • awsomeron Waianae, HI
    Jan. 22, 2012 1:21 p.m.

    My 1st thought is what are the illegal students doing in school in the first place.

    Simple proof of Citizenship before being allowed in School is the answer to that question. You have a shot record why not a proof of Citizenship requirment.

    I do follow the law and the law says that if you are born here you are a US Citizen regardless of your parents standing at the time of your birth. That is the law that needs to be changed. When that law is changed there will be less desire to come over the Border and have a child.

    If a child is being born here I don't want a child to die for lack of services, this is America and we do somethings just because we can. We have walked on the face of the Moon, surely we can handle this.

    I realize this is mostly about Mexicans but I don't want the Race Factor to be an issue. All illegals should be treated equal Deported.

    This is not about Church and State this is about LAW and the Law say they go. If the Church objects then change the law. States Rights Issue.

  • botdriver Midvale, UT
    Jan. 22, 2012 12:47 p.m.

    Steven our Immigration laws were updated in 1996, and even earlier than that, they just have never been enforced like they should. They have been so to speak, given a slight glance over the shoulder, and then given a, "Eh." then moved on with, now it is biting those that are in government collectively in the butt.

    Allowing illegal immigration only exploit's those that come here, and it only makes this country more guilty of allowing it.

    Those that come here legally are also feeling this, from those that illegally enter this country as they are given a bad rap as well, so I have no compassion that enter this country illegally, and food for thought here, as with all the rest that bicker here.

    If we illegally entered their country, and were caught, you would not get 3 hot's and a cot, you would be paying for a space to sleep, a blanket to keep you warm, food to eat, and you would have to pay the official's watching you to protect you, and yes you would have to pay to buy toilet paper to wipe your butt.

    That's not the case here, something to think about.

  • Christy Beaverton, OR
    Jan. 22, 2012 12:39 p.m.


    We are not a nation of immigrants? Are your ancestors Native American? Mine are European, probably your's too. I was born here, probably you too. Pure luck. And for you to sit on your pedestal and point your finger and judge other human beings for coming here for want of a better life for themselves and their families -- just as our ancestors did -- is really ugly.

    Our immigration laws need to be updated. Laws change as society changes.

  • Steven Harper Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 22, 2012 11:57 a.m.

    There is a very simple reason why there are literally millions of workers here without documentation: our economy needs them and our 1965-vintage immigration laws are hopelessly outdated. The way people emigrate to this country and become workers and/or citizens is broken. Why hasn't it been fixed? It's too easy for our politicos to drum up votes by appealing to the bigoted biases of too many Americans. The most recent evidence that bigotry trumps consideration of actual policy solutions? Gingrich's win in SC.

  • ? SLC, UT
    Jan. 22, 2012 11:53 a.m.

    I won't begrudge someone wanting a better life. But does the United States really hold the answers to all the world's problems? There are many who are citizens of the United States who are every bit as impoverished as those seeking to come here. What's keeping the homelands of others from being as great as the United States has been? There are many who are willing to help others in need, but what happens when the giver no longer has anything more to give and has no means earn what they need for themselves, let alone earn more to provide for anyone else? Who is going to help those who are already citizens of this country who are in need, and who is going to help those who will eventually end up giving everything they have? Yes, we all need each other and at times we all need some help.

  • M.Sanchez Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 22, 2012 11:48 a.m.

    I have very rarely hear any of these religious leaders (including Utah's leaders) speak out against the horrors of Human Trafficking and Migrant Smuggling which inflict real pain and suffering upon human beings. If they did, 60% of illegal immigration would rapidly stop. The delivery system operated by organized crime would become exposed along with the lucrative connections to the Chamber of Commerce's demand for disposable labor.

    These leaders know about the horrors of trafficking and smuggling. Yet, like the religious leaders during the European Holocaust, they have turned their heads as say they never knew about it.

  • botdriver Midvale, UT
    Jan. 22, 2012 11:14 a.m.

    I am absolutely sick of this. People that use the term we are a nation of immigrants. Sorry to those that state that, but those people that came here were over 200 years ago. This nation, is no longer made of people who are immigrant's.


    These people are illegal, and it needs to stop. This is a nation like every other nation, it has mutual borders, and they need to be respected, and to those that are using that phrase you need a pop up side the head. ILLEGAL MEANS WHAT IT SAY'S ILLEGAL, you are breaking a federal law, not a state, a federal, and if the government will not do their job, then the state has to do it.

    I am sick and tired of it when people play that trump card, "This is a nation of immigrant's". For one stop it, your ignorant. The second there are legal ways to enter this country, and if you can't do it, then you don't, and if you do, and you get caught, so be it you get the brand, and you get your fate.

    Don't come to this country and expect a nice salutation.

  • Captain Green Heber City, UT
    Jan. 22, 2012 11:02 a.m.

    The thing that most people fail to acknowledge is how unfair it is for the millions of foreigners who have applied to come the USA legally.

    They are honoring and obeying the law and yet are seeing millions of illegals come here, get jobs, be treated well, take advantage of medical and educational opportunities, even getting the possibility of going to the front of the immigration line, etc, etc...

    Those good people are really mad about it. And if we don't solve the problem by making the illegals go home, apply legally/properly, and wait their turn... we are guilty of terrible discrimination.

    To be a party to this discrimination is VERY unchristian! Why can't people see this side of the issue?!

  • MapleDon Springville, UT
    Jan. 22, 2012 10:47 a.m.

    The only reason this issue is divisive is because some people profit (in one way or another) from illegals. And there are three key groups hoping to benefit: Democrats, businesses, and religions.

    The rest of us were raised with the clear understanding that laws are to be obeyed--and that the rule of law is critical to our nation's stability.

    The divisiveness is fed by those hoping to profit from illegals--and it usually involves the same name calling (racists, lacking compassion, etc.). They know the names aren't true, but they hope to influence public opinion through it.

    Unfortunately, the majority of Americans agree with me. These illegals have no respect for our laws and showed this the moment they crossed the border.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Jan. 22, 2012 10:16 a.m.

    Religion is totally subjective. And it makes any issue more murky.

  • Allen Salt Lake valley, UT
    Jan. 22, 2012 10:03 a.m.

    I hope that all those who talk about illegals breaking the law (yes, they are) will remember what they said if they exceed the speed limit while driving. The speed limit is a maximum cap on speed. The speed-control laws are specific and exact. There is no buffer speed. The law requires that all drivers keep their speed at or below the specified limit.

    I hope that our legislators and we as a people can find a middle ground between being here legally and being deported without their children who were born here and are thus American citizens.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    Jan. 22, 2012 10:01 a.m.

    It's not the law that divides religion and communities, it's illegal immigration and those that hire them.

    VIDAR, it's illegal to work here without permission from the government.
    NeilT, same old justifications, same old answers. We can't stop murder either, but we can use laws that punish as a deterrent to keep it at a more manageable level. The farmer in Colorado has access to unlimited agriculture visas. Most illegal immigrants from Mexico won't work the farms anymore. They prefer the city jobs. The locals saw through him quite easily. As far as welfare, look at the states site
    "You can apply for and get food stamp and medical benefits for eligible family members, even if your family includes other members who are not eligible because of immigration status.
    You do not have to provide immigration status information, social security numbers, or documents for any family members who are not eligible for food stamp or medical benefits because of immigrant status and who are not asking for food stamp benefits.
    Using food stamp or medical benefits will not affect your immigration status or the immigration status of your family.

  • Kaare Bye KAMAS, UT
    Jan. 22, 2012 9:11 a.m.

    I came here with legal papers.
    It cost me 1 months wages in Norway 1957.
    Most cost was by the USA Ambasade in Oslo Norway.
    Trip over the ozean was 300.00 then..
    Bus from New york to SLC was about 50.00 then.
    To get all legal papers is very expensive

    I can see why those poor people from South America has to walk ever feet on the sneaking into USA..........wish it was a better way. for them, now let some Eurepen come in with money, maybe they will treat the unlawful better?

  • peter Alpine, UT
    Jan. 22, 2012 8:52 a.m.

    Sportsfan21, your argument is flawed. If love for our neighbor(illegals) is the reason to allow illegals to be here, then God's infinite love should permit all to return to live in His presence. But only those who abide by a Celestial law are given this privilege. God is bound by law, we should be, too. Are we greater than our maker?

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    Jan. 22, 2012 8:35 a.m.

    As long as there is poverty, violence, and goverment corruption in Mexico and other central ameican countries there will be illegal immigration. All the laws, fences and harsh rhetoric will not solve a problem that economic, not criminal. KSL's Doug Wright did an interesting segment about a farmer in Colorado who brougt in 100 migrant workers every year. Last year he decided to offer 50 of those jobs to locals. Big mistake. He couldn't find 50 locals and those few he found were incapable of doing the work. They didn't have the stamina to work an 8 our shift. One last thought. Why do people believe illegals are eligible for food stamps and other government benefits. Not. I don't support illegal immigration. I support the church and their plea to bring humanity back to the debate. A lot of mean spirited rhetoric on this issue. To much emotion and not enough verifiable facts.

  • New to Utah PAYSON, UT
    Jan. 22, 2012 8:30 a.m.

    Samantha Murphey and Elizabeth Stuart have done a great job for the DN in advocating the position of the DN that religious people help people who choose to be in the USA illegally. I think it is time that an investigative reporter looks into both the DN and the SLC chamber of commerece to see how much revenue comes from the hospitality industry and the construction industry in advertizing and membership in the chamber and fully examine if there is a vested interest. Since the citizens of Utah pay for the education, incarcaration,healthcare, infrastructure cost through both federal and state taxes and possible unemployment costs for breadwinners forced to be on unemployment because of undocumented hiring.It is time to look at both sides.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Jan. 22, 2012 8:23 a.m.

    Someone get the violins hearts and flowers are in order. The lawless are in fear of the law. What a novelty!

  • VIDAR Murray, UT
    Jan. 22, 2012 8:04 a.m.

    So, it is a felony to work?
    We should send people to prison for working?
    There are of couse ways to level the playing field when it comes to work competion.
    there are also ways to deal with idenity fraud.
    Simply create one social security number for those without a ss card. also collect the maximum amount of federal and state taxes.
    do stings for businesses who want to pay under the table; if caught take away their business license.
    but in the end; if someone will work for less, and do a better job, then who is to accuse them of anything criminal?
    I have no problem with someone who comes here to work; we should be collecting taxes from them as well.
    We simply want to shoot our own foot to save face.

  • 1conservative WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Jan. 22, 2012 7:34 a.m.

    PLEASE contact your state elected representatives right now while the legislature is in session.
    The amnesty advocates will be doing all they can to continue the illegal behaviors of the illegal trespassers.

    Remind your state legislator that illegal immigrant trespassers cost the state of utah approx. 400 million per year.
    That money SHOULD be used for LEGAL RESIDENTS and to help our legal citizens obtain jobs.
    Ask your legislators to remove the "driver privilage cards". Since illegal immigrants AREN'T SUPPOSED to be here they won't need them anyway!
    Ask your state legislator to please put legal citizens needs above those of unethical and illegal businesses.
    This is an election year for legislators; they WILL listen to you if you try to communicate your feelings.

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 22, 2012 4:31 a.m.

    There is no conflict between compassion and upholding the law. Those who say that there is are lying.

  • one day... South Jordan, UT
    Jan. 22, 2012 3:32 a.m.

    So many people with experience and knowledge about this article subject!!!

    Both sides are wrong here, but I will say that "our" side is worsed.

    Most of the illegal immigrant came here for a better life, have you check the process for someone in latin america to obtain a work or papers here? I'm not justifiying illegal immigration but we need to be fair, it's almost impossible without a co-signer or help from someone here, a US citizen.

    Our politicians have done NOTHING to solve this issue, NOTHING, why? because they're (illegals) are cheap and if we don't need them anymore, we deport them. that's why we keep a number to do our "dirty" jobs.

    White people: don't talk or act like the nazis, you know that they blamed jews for the economy, jobs and benefits like YOU do. please WE NEED EACH OTHER, I hope our super politicians can solve it and make something to help each one of us AND THEM!

    Jan. 22, 2012 1:34 a.m.

    As far as this article goes, according to Alabama lawmakers, âharboringâ an illegal immigrant is only a crime if it is done with the intent to keep the person shielded or hidden from the authorities. Transporting illegal immigrants would only be considered illegal if the person does so âin furtherance of the unlawful presenceâ of the immigrant in the United States.

    From what I have read, giving rides to church or to the store does not constitute a violation of the law.

    Jan. 22, 2012 1:28 a.m.

    "Romans 13, Christians are told they are under "biblical mandate to respect the divinely ordained institution of government and its just laws."

    But the Bible also commands believers to "show compassion and justice for the sojourner and alien among us."

    These statements are not at odds. Enforcing immigration laws has nothing to do with compassion. It's enforcing a law. The sojourner and alien among us have laws they must follow. A sojourner is a person who resides temporarily in a place. Not someone who takes up permanent residence.

    Israels new immigration laws put people in jail for 14 years with no trial.

    We are still ignoring Americans and legal immigrants, and calling for them to be treated with compassion.

  • sportsfan21 OREM, UT
    Jan. 22, 2012 1:22 a.m.


    That's not what the Alabama law says, and that's what we're talking about. This law makes it a crime to hire, rent, house, or help transport any illegal immigrant. It's meant to make every illegal want to leave but it really just makes other people afraid to help a brown person in any way (since they could be illegal).

    If you really believe in treating people equally, picture this: You are going to rent a house in Alabama to a family. 2 families ask to see the place (one white and one hispanic). They both have proper identification. Which one will you rent to? The hispanic family that you suspect forged papers? Or the white family? Remember that if the hispanic family is illegal you could be hit with a heavy fine.

    Tell me, would you pick the hispanic family? I'm guessing you'd cover your butt and rent to the white family.

    That's why Alabama's law is racist and that's why I'm against it.

    I'm out of posts for this topic, but tell me if you would enjoy being a legal hispanic person in Alabama right now when everyone's afraid of hiring you?

  • Hunt Spanish Fork, UT
    Jan. 22, 2012 12:54 a.m.


    I treat everyone equally. If someone is in need, I will give them aid. If someone is hungry, I will feed them. It's not my job to determine who is illegal and who is not. That's the job of our government. Something they fail to do. Now, will I knowingly hire an illegal? No. Will I encourage an illegal to take advantage of the system? No.

    No one is going to arrest you for feeding the hungry or aiding the poor in Alabama. They will arrest you if you are knowingly aiding the illegal behavior of others, there is a big difference.
    Laws aren't created to comfort those who choose to break them. People who choose to deceive, steal and lie should not be comforted and aided in their attempts to continue the practice as that very practice does real tangible harm to others.
    As a side note, since Alabama's immigration laws were passed, they have seen a dramatic decrease in their unemployment rates. Funny how that works.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Jan. 22, 2012 12:00 a.m.

    Jonathan Eddy, it's multiple felonies to work here. And God has said that we are to obey mans laws, unless they conflict with his commandments.

    None of his commandments give permission for illegal immigration to increase wealth. They do tell us not to steal, lie and covet.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Jan. 21, 2012 11:50 p.m.

    My brother lived in Alabama working construction for 15 years. He has a wife and two children, plus a house (had). But 4 years ago the job market was so flooded, that he was laid off. Illegal workers were the only ones kept on, along with a few supervisors. My brother lost his house, and moved to Utah, long enough to drop off his wife and kids at her parents. The kids were pulled out of school, their possessions lost after they could not pay the storage fee. My brother goes from temp job to temp job, sending money home when he can. This is America? This is compassion? Compassion is extended on a personal basis, not by ignoring laws.

  • Hunt Spanish Fork, UT
    Jan. 21, 2012 11:47 p.m.


    I'm sorry but there is a big difference between speeding on your way to Vegas and committing a felony through document fraud and identity theft.

  • sportsfan21 OREM, UT
    Jan. 21, 2012 11:41 p.m.


    You really have the audacity to claim that I'm favoring latinos by asking for compassion? I'm not even pro amnesty or anti border control! Since you love putting words in my mouth, let me sum up what I think you're trying to say:

    "I go by the name of Hunt and I'm from Spanish Fork. I earned my freedom because I was smart enough to pick the womb of a legal citizen. Because I'm an American, I have the right to look down on anyone who wants what I have. I can call them criminals, demand that they receive no compassion when a law limits others from feeding them, and never give it another thought because, hey, it's not my problem. I'm the one with rights,"

    News flash: Even though I agree illegal immigration is hurting the economy, I can use my brain and understand why Alabama's law is racist. If it's against the law to give an illegal a ride in my car, which race will I be really hesitant to pick up? And do you really think those landlords and business owners will be equally skeptical of white people?

    No? Then it's a racist law.

  • Hunt Spanish Fork, UT
    Jan. 21, 2012 10:51 p.m.


    The key is "all men are created equal". By supporting illegal immigration you are primarily supporting one race and nationality above all others. You are holding them up as a more privileged class of people. You are at the same time spitting in the face of those who would love to come to our country legally and uphold and respect our laws. Immigration Laws, even they have flaws, were passed to create a fair and orderly process of immigration. The true racists are the ones that continue to feign compassion for the illegals when their true motivation is cheap labor. Those that are so quick to call law abiding citizens bigots should be ashamed of themselves. Do we, who are for legal immigration, have compassion for those who are less fortunate? Of course we do. Do we think that supporting them as they commit one felony after another will benefit them? No, of course we don't. And we won't put up with the continued effort to allow the current, illegal practices that damage the U.S. economy and its citizens to continue.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    Jan. 21, 2012 10:47 p.m.

    People don't become compassionate by wanting our laws ignored.

    People don't become humane by accepting lawbreaking (that goes far beyond speeding).

    Do children learn by rewarding their bad behavior, or by punishment?

    If the pro-illegal folks really cared, they would of told the people to come here legally. This is nothing more than a push for cheap labor.

  • Cougar Blue N. Las Vegas, NV
    Jan. 21, 2012 9:37 p.m.

    It never ceases to amaze me how so many people can be so concerned about somebody else breaking the law. But in the same breath, they can completely excuse the times they do it. Don't believe me? Drive to Vegas down I-15 some time and take notes of how many Utah cars are breaking the speed limit, and some of them are shattering it. Breaking the law doesn't seem to bother us unless it's somebody else breaking it. What hypocrites we all are.

  • one day... South Jordan, UT
    Jan. 21, 2012 9:00 p.m.

    to...Say No to BO | 3:43 p.m. Jan. 21, 2012
    This is an issue of years, while politicians and white people get their pockets full of money, we willlet illegals to do low wage, no benefits jobs, that by the way NOBODY else will do.
    Most of these people have family members that are permanent residents or even citizens but the law doesn't work on their side, it takes more than 8 years for them to get their papers under a family member, fair? I don't think so!

  • Christy Beaverton, OR
    Jan. 21, 2012 8:54 p.m.

    jim l |
    West Jordan, UT

    The media is at it again, with these tear stained stories about the poor illegals.


    Don't blame the media for reporting facts.

    The gospel says, 'When I was hungry, you fed me. When I was lonely, you comforted me. When I was in prison, you visited me.' No scripture ever said, 'If I had documentation, then you gave me food.'

    If you think it's a crime to be a good samaritan like the weeping woman in the photo, then you need to re-evaluate things.

    Maybe tomorrow during Sacrament?

  • A voice of Reason Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 21, 2012 8:49 p.m.


    The law? To these "law" arguers- I have a religious argument for you. I know it's easy to set aside religious ideas as fanatical and superstious. But this argument is reason and logic, and I challenge any one of you to prove otherwise.

    "They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?" Jesus replied "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her."

    There is no universal law of existence that requires us to enforce an eye for an eye. There is no force in existence that requires us to banish, deport, expel, or forcibly remove someone from this land.

    Do I support their undocumented and unlawful choice? No. However, until every last American can prove they've never broken a law, I believe that forcing millions of families apart is ungodly, wrong, even disgusting.

    Shouting "remove them!" is un-American. If you won't accept the poor, needy, etc- I'd argue immigrants are more American. I'd rather my neighbor need my help than refuse to help others. Is that so insane?

  • onceuponatime Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 21, 2012 8:18 p.m.

    If you are here illegally aren't you breaking more than just one law. If you are working either your are not reporting your income to IRS which would get the rest of us thrown in jail or you are lying about who you are and using either a fake or stolen SSN. As I understand it each of these offenses is a felony. As far as having compassion and not separating families due to breaking the law then we should have compassion and no one should ever be sent to jail for breaking man made laws, because they have families too. But then again I'm sure it's not a big deal when someone steals your identity and ruins your credit and you have to spend tons of money and time fixing it. Nope doesn't hurt a sole. I guess if you are here illegally and just live off legal family members then you aren't breaking more than one law. I sure that is rare though.

  • sportsfan21 OREM, UT
    Jan. 21, 2012 7:52 p.m.

    I've said this several times: How can any person, aside from soldiers who defend our freedom, act like they've earned freedom.

    "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

    Freedom is a gift from God that EVERY human should have. It's sad that not everyone can be free at this present time, but how awful is it that people on this board feel entitled to it?

    If you or a family member served in our armed forces, I thank you for defending our freedom and ask that you disregard my next statement (for you truely have earned freedom). None of us have earned freedom, we are fortunate to have it given to us. My ancestor gave up everything he had to come to America. He earned it. All I did was be born on the right side of the border.

    It's very hypocritical for anyone to claim that they earned freedom while an illegal is a criminal for wanting it. Show some compassion and end the hatred.

  • sportsfan21 OREM, UT
    Jan. 21, 2012 7:39 p.m.

    I keep hearing people use "render unto Caesar that which is Caeser's" as an argument that we should drop compassion. First, he said that to Pharisees who were planning to condemn him for blasphemy or rebellion against the government. Last I checked, this is America where I shouldn't have to worry about being fined for giving someone food or a ride. I'm sure Jesus wants us to respect laws, but he was also pretty vocal when laws were morally wrong (he refused to talk to Herod when he was ordered to, why didn't he render that to Herod?) and he was compassionate to the woman caught in adultery even though she broke the law.

    Second, what was Christ's first commandment? Love God! His second? Love thy neighbor as thyself (and even as He loves us). I'm ok with border control, but when we act irritated by their presence it really proves that we love ourselves more than we love them. I understand that we can't help everyone, but can we cut the intolerance?

    I feel so grateful to be in America and I'm sad others can't have as much freedom as me> I don't hate them for wanting it.

  • realsoothsayer SANDY, UT
    Jan. 21, 2012 7:31 p.m.

    It's a sad day in America when anyone who resists the invasion of this homeland is labeled a bigot, a racist, and a non-Christian. If the Japanese had accomplished a west-coast landing during WWII, some of you would be saying, "Well, we're a nation of immigrants, so what's the problem?" When the Spanish were landing in Central and South America and practicing genocide with the native population, I suppose the people should have said, "We're a nation of immigrants, so what's the big deal?" Just because people don't come armed to the teeth doesn't mean they don't do heavy damage to our nation. "Oh, they just want a better life for themselves and their families." The same could be said of the bank robber; he just wants a better deal, and is willing to take from others without permission . . . that's all. I suppose all true Christians should give them the keys, the passwords, and whatever else they want; anything less just wouldn't be charitable.

  • Trooper55 Williams, AZ
    Jan. 21, 2012 6:54 p.m.

    I aam a firm believer that some of you believe that it's ok to break the law, but I am here to say that as long as the the laws that are put into laws state that it's a crime to be in this country illegally than I am for up holding the laws of this land, and people who breaks the law needs to be held accountable. There are long waiting list to get into this country and I a firm believer that those people waiting to enter this country the legal way should get the frist shot at coming to this country and not the ones who are here illegally. They should be deported and if it takes them years to come back so be it. Their children wether they are born in this country should not be illegal citzens, because their parents broke the laws to enter this country and needs to be deported with them, so that they don't create a burden on our systems. I am a firm believer that the churches need to stay out of these issues, or face losing their noprofit status.

  • cris Hamilton, IL
    Jan. 21, 2012 6:24 p.m.

    Ah yes bigotry is alive and well. Just ask the evangelicals who won't vote for a candidate who is Mormon.

  • BobP Port Alice, B.C.
    Jan. 21, 2012 5:45 p.m.

    How sad. The selfish excuse about illegals causing unemployment is purse falacy. The sheer bigotry of many of the comments are stunning.

  • A voice of Reason Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 21, 2012 5:34 p.m.

    Why the divide? Because Christianity inherently means believing in justice and mercy. The problem is that many people are persuaded into a mentality that their own God commanded against. Love thy neighbor didn't mean 'except under these circumstances'.

    One cannot hold the belief that their first priority is the family and think that the 'send them back or jail them' mentality promotes that belief. I watch probably over 90% of drivers speed past me on the freeway while I stay in the right lane and go the speed limit. By all means, I don't believe in locking everyone else up. Are any of us perfectly law-abiding citizens? Probably not. What matters isn't enforcing the law. A ruthless monarch can enforce the law all the same. This country was founded to welcome those in need into a free world. No matter how much people may push our laws away from that purpose, there is no freedom in receiving help and not extending it.

    The most universally true rule I've been convinced of is that when you get help you give it, to raise others up. Everyone receives help, yet far fewer are willing to give even an ounce back.

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    Jan. 21, 2012 5:32 p.m.

    A member of my ward is 60 years old and used to be a concrete finisher. At one point he owned his own concrete finishing business. First he was forced to give up his business due to competition from illegal aliens. They he had to leave his home in Reno, Nevada and move to Seattle. Illegal aliens in Reno so depressed the wages that he could not make a living there.

    I obviously feel sooooo sorry for the illegal aliens.

    They break into our country, steel jobs from our children and some how I am the bad guy when I complain. Give me a break.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    Jan. 21, 2012 5:20 p.m.

    If these Churches really cared, they would be telling these people to come here legally and to follow the laws. It would help people in the future to avoid these problems. But none seen concerned about preventing it.

    This acceptance of crime and dishonesty is destroying our country from within.

  • peter Alpine, UT
    Jan. 21, 2012 4:33 p.m.

    sg, Paul Ryan presented a workable plan to ease Americans out of the entitlement mess that the feds originally created, and Obama rejected it. Obama is our biggest obstacle to resolving illegal immigration and entitlements. Big government is always the problem, never the solution to any of the problems they in the first place created. People need to quit voting for hard core liberals at any level.

  • Tyler Ray Taylorsville, UT
    Jan. 21, 2012 4:32 p.m.

    I'm afraid people in this great state and the state of Alabama are judging too quickly. Do you know what it's like to live the life of some of these immigrants? Have you tried legally coming to the United States from a third world country? If anyone has, I'd love to hear your story of how difficult or easy it was? Because at least then it'd be a credible judgement.

    Not too long ago it was illegal for a black person to sit in a bus, eat at a restaurant, etc as a white person. I believe in obeying, honoring and sustaining the law, but I also am open minded enough to know that the laws aren't perfect.

  • JayTee Sandy, UT
    Jan. 21, 2012 4:11 p.m.

    The bleeding never seems to stop: the bleeding heart liberals, journalists, politicians, and ecclesiastical types who want to bleed the taxpayer and citizen worker just a little more, and have all kinds of supposed rationale to justify the whole scam. Real charity has nothing to do with government confiscation of asssets and income to support those who don't want to play by the rules. It's amazing how much trouble we're in already because of our non-enforcement of laws already on the books, and it's equally amazing that we have so many people who want to compound the mistakes by being even more flacid and careless. I just wish those who advocate this stuff were the only ones paying the freight for it.

  • Third try screen name Mapleton, UT
    Jan. 21, 2012 3:46 p.m.

    Could it be the DN is publishing this tripe because the Utah Legislature is in session?

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Jan. 21, 2012 3:43 p.m.

    @Mary E Petty
    The law is just fine, thank you (except the chain migration part which is not in the best interest of our nation).
    If indeed we had migration at around 250,000 per year and the political will to deport that who are not here legally, we would see:
    *Higher wages for those of few skills
    *Lower unemployment among minorities and the poor
    *Less-crowded clsasrooms
    *More social services available to care for our own
    *Safer roads and streets
    *Better assimilation of our language and customs

    Alas, politicians and preachers are looking for more customers and playing identity politics.

    The problem isn't the law; it's the pandering in the name of power, using illegal aliens as the pawns.

  • gottscheer APO, AE
    Jan. 21, 2012 3:40 p.m.

    I have a hard time feeling sorry for people who knowingly break laws. I'm sorry I'm so hardhearted, but my family came from Europe and had to wait and wait and even had sponsors who would pay there way and make sure they weren't a burden on the citizens of the country. These people should have waited so they could lawfully come into the United States. To the Latter-day Saints who encourage this breaking of the law, the 12th Article of Faith is quoted thus: "We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law." If I remember right this is the very reason Wilford Woodruff announced the reason for discontinuing the practice of plural marriage. President Woodruff did this after exhausting all legal remedies. I will ask that Latter-day Saints who can't live by the laws that they raise their arm to the square to, would please surrender their Temple Recommends until they are honoring and sustaining the laws of the land and being honest with their fellowmen.

  • Casca Orleans, IN
    Jan. 21, 2012 3:39 p.m.

    It just goes to show that as illegal aliens flee Alabama, Utah the unemployment rate is dropping for American labor--as according to several reports? Enforcement policing protocols are having the desired effect, which proves that state immigration laws do work if practiced and not neglected. My guess is that although I have not heard of any similar hiring statistics in Arizona, Georgia, South Carolina and even Utah, but it wouldnt surprise me if this news hasnt been suppressed by the newspapers and the central government. It will be very interesting to learn if promises are kept by the 4 remaining presidential personages. Even Gingrichs agenda to give the long time illegal aliens some form of pardon, without citizenship whereas, I hate to think of a returned President Obama has in-store for the United States. Whatever his idea of enforcing immigration laws are, it will just attract even more impoverished and criminals to arrive via our almost unprotected border or by international jet.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 21, 2012 3:01 p.m.

    Those who choose to commit crimes (including violating immigration laws) suffer consequences. Sometimes legal consequences, other times social or employment consequences.

    It is disgusting that the news media refuses to stand up for the law abiding citizens and instead choose to side with the lawbreakers.

    It is fine to argue that our immigration laws should be changed (although I believe they need enforcement rather than change) but to use the power of the media to deceptively portray crimianls as "victims" is unethical.

    Legal immigrants are a welcome asset to our great country, but criminals are not.

  • sg newhall, CA
    Jan. 21, 2012 3:00 p.m.

    It is her right as a free thinking citizen to do what she does, but it is in no way God's role in breaking the laws of the land. In fact, it is contrary to what He and His Son taught. Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's. This teary coverage does nothing the remedy or correct or appease the citizens of the United States. Yes, we take care of our own (questionable at times) and help the many throughout the world, but to continue to ignore the financial abuse caused by so many who refuse to obey the laws, no. We are done. It is time to seal the borders. It is time to take all entitlement programs away. It is time to repeal the Dream Act. It is time to demand that everyone must speak English in this country. There should no longer be a bi-lingual anything. The anger expressed throughout this country increases, and not against the 1 percentage (which I believe is a smoke screen, a diversion), but rather should be directed against law breakers.

  • Mary E Petty Sandy, UT
    Jan. 21, 2012 2:54 p.m.

    We are a nation of immigrants, whose greatness has been her people and their willingness to unite together in the common cause of American Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. Today's Immigration law maybe called legal, but it is certainly flawed and doesn't work as intended. America is at risk from such law. It is immoral, capricious, and irrational. It needs to be fixed so people can come to the US in an equitable and humane manner that has been America's historical melting pot. Immigration is a key component of America's greatness and should not be shut in some supposed legal mumbo jumbo that denies our roots. May cooler heads prevail this year as our representatives work together to find the best solution for instituting good immigration law. I for one hope that the Utah Compact will continue to lead out and help our fellow states and the federal government resolve our modern day immigration mess.

  • jim l West Jordan, UT
    Jan. 21, 2012 2:34 p.m.

    Jonathan, there is a difference. This is not the same thing. Those that hire illegals are paying a poor wage and then they ask the rest of us to make up for what they are not paying. We are asked to subsidize their wages by paying for their health care, education, rent, etc. etc. This is not charity, its a tax.

  • Jonathan Eddy Payson, UT
    Jan. 21, 2012 1:57 p.m.

    Daniel refused a government edict and chose God's higher law to continue praying.

    I too choose a higher law to serve my neighbor, with or without a green card.

    I sure hope God is merciful to me as I now openly break a man made misdemeanor law.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Jan. 21, 2012 1:47 p.m.

    Whatever happened to the notion I was taught at home and at church that if you aren't doing anything wrong you can hold your head up high and walk through town without fear or shame? And if you do the crime, expect to pay the consequences sooner or later.
    These people are afraid for good reason; they are breaking the law and living a lie. And they bring children into the world in the midst of this careless lifestyle.
    They are no longer in control of their destiny because they are living outside the law. Don't blame the so called "mean-spirited" people of Alabama.
    And we get the message when the Deseret News assigns two reporters to write this piece. We get the message. We just don't buy it.

  • Trooper55 Williams, AZ
    Jan. 21, 2012 1:46 p.m.

    I am a firm believer that you need to keep state and church apart. There is also some bible veres that state you must follow the law of the govt. and render unto Ceaser and what is god to god. I believe that if you are here illegally, you are breaking the law and people that helps the illegalls are breaking the law too, furter if a church choses to break the laws they need to lose their noprofit status and be subject to court action. There are many people waiting to come to this country the legall way and should be given the frist shot at coming here. I also believe that if you are here illegally, then you get none of the benifits that legal people get no foodstamp, no medical, no schooling and no in state tution. What you get is deported, or go to jail and then deported and not allowed to return to this country without the proper papers and if it take 10 years to do so be it. I am tired of my money going to keep the illegals here.

  • jim l West Jordan, UT
    Jan. 21, 2012 1:38 p.m.

    The media is at it again, with these tear stained stories about the poor illegals. Why not a story about all the hardships they have caused because of the wage suppression and lost jobs for the average american? Or the increased costs of health care because of the illegals? Or the greedy americans who want to hire the illegals instead of paying a decent wage? I dont see any of those kinds of articles.