Please excuse my vengeful heart, but I look forward to sanctimonious Utah
Republicans running under the banner of the lech Gingrich, especially after all
of the criticism of Clinton a la Lewinsky.
Haven't we already been thru this before ? Can we please give it a rest. No one
is going to change their opinion over another re-hash of the same stuff.
From the other paper: "Mark DeMoss has a message for his fellow
evangelicals: You cant attack and demean Mormons or President Barack Obama and
still consider yourself a follower of Jesus Christ. It is impossible to abide by
Pauls admonition to regard others as more important than yourself, DeMoss
said...." People speak Christian principles, but they are conditional and
rarely lived, even in church.
atl134: Those "ordinances" you refer to are like "doors",
like baptism, an avenue, not a guarantee, to get somewhere. What the price to
"get there" is faith, (which to Mormons is an action word.) The
ordinances "show the way." There were ordinances in Moses time,
Adam's time, Christ's time, and now in our time, so ordinances are not anything
new. The LDS regard them as sacred avenues, a way lighted by faith in God, and
in His promises.
Sorry about that, by their definition the Catholic church is also considered a
Cult as well, so these Reverends can spout whatever nonsense they want..it's
only for hate, none of it is for good.
When people tell me I'm not a Christian, I tell them that is okay, Christ isn't
one either, he's Jewish. King of the Jews. Get them every time. What would it
be like if someone actually read their bible for a change, instead of just being
consumed with the hate that was fed them each week.As for the Cult
comments, technically by th
'There is no biblical definition of Cult, it is not a Biblical term.' - John
Pack Lambert of Michigan | 2:56 p.m. Jan. 24, 2012 There is in the
dictionary. As, if we defined EVERYTHING as per the bible... we should be banned from eating shell fish. Using the bible
for a word definition in support of a religious argument... is like
using a comic book, to prove Superman.
There is no biblical definition of Cult, it is not a Biblical term.
The actions of one pastor somewhere are hardly the actions of "The
Republican Party". In this case it is not Mr. Santorum who
is implicated. He is a Catholic. He in no way endorsed the statements of this
Evangelical Christian pastor. I would say that AP should do more to
give both sides of the story. If people claim that Mormons despise African
Americans, African American Mormons should be given a voice to speak.
The Republican Party is making it very clear that they don't want members of the
I am 6th generation Mormon, born & raised. I was LDS for 35 years, very
happily and committedly so. I had a quite unexpected "born again"
experience after a simple prayer of confession and asking the Father to
"bring me closer to Jesus". I had no desire to leave the church or
hurt my family, but my spiritual life and DNA changed 26 years ago. My LDS
family have called me every name in the book, furious that I ascribe to pure
Biblical beliefs. I really should write the book, but it would read like all
the rest out there.My husband and I have taught classes, spoken at
many churches and had a support group for former Mormons. The main hurt for the
exiting Mormon is the shunning and ridicule from his family and LDS friends.
Had I not experienced this and seen it replayed every time, I would never have
believed that my people could react so.We teach formers to keep
loving their families and only witness their new birth in Christ when asked. We
teach non-LDS true LDS doctrines, and we teach Mormons the Biblical definition
of a cult: any aberration of the Biblical Christ.
Since the term "cult" is seldom (if ever) defined, I am forced to
conclude that a cult is pretty much any religion that fundamentalist Protestants
don't happen to like.
"Let me paraphrase the above the way I understand it: "You Mormons are
nice people; I don't hate you; I just think you're religion is stupid and I'm
willing to write that; I don't want to keep my private feeling about how stupid
Mormons are quiet; I don't want to be polite about it; I don't hate them; I just
think they're superstitious [ie, stupid], and that's not hate, is
it?""So let me understand.... I do have many friends that
are Muslims. I do not believe in the Muslim faith, and I really don't like
what some have done in name of that faith. But I do have many friends that are
muslims.How is that stance anyway confusing Jeff, or contradictory?
How is not possible that people like Mormons, but don't like their faith. Most
people are much more than just their faith or church they go to on Sundays (or
what ever their day of worship is.For a group ( yes I am
generalizing here ) that supposedly hates political correctness, we sure take
deep offense when a little of that political correctness is aimed in
I wish the anti-LDS ministers would quiz their own congregants asking them which
statement they believe - One from the Creeds or one from the Gospel Principles
manual on the Godhead. No references, just the statements. I bet the vast
majority would reject the Creeds. I have yet to have anyone explain them in a
way that doesn't contradict other creedal statements while still adhering to the
rules of logic.I wish the good pastor would explain how Jesus is
"eternally begotten" and how the Holy Ghost "proceeds from the
Father" and what the difference is...and how such comments comply with the
Creedal ideas of all 3 being co-eternal, equal in power and authority, etc..
while rejecting Tritheism.The Bible is the biggest anti-Creedal
document ever printed.
Skeptic says that "There is little reality in" suggesting that people
hate Mormons. Then s/he adds, "Just because others don't believe or accept
Mormon religion doesn't mean that they hate Mormons." I agree
with this, so far as it goes, but skeptic goes on:"Just because
one doesn't like a superstition doesn't mean one dosen't like the superstitious.
However, one may have reason to be cautious of how the superstitious practice
their superstition."Let me paraphrase the above the way I
understand it: "You Mormons are nice people; I don't hate you; I just
think you're religion is stupid and I'm willing to write that; I don't want to
keep my private feeling about how stupid Mormons are quiet; I don't want to be
polite about it; I don't hate them; I just think they're superstitious [ie,
stupid], and that's not hate, is it?"Can you understand why,
given the way you openly characterize our beliefs, and given the way you
continually demean them publicly, that we might think you fall into the category
of someone who is willing to publicly hate us?Part of polite
discourse may involve leaving some of your opinions unsaid.
Santorum = Bigot...he just lost my vote and thousands of others...and rightly
so. America has no place for bigoty.
@Wally West: "What then was all the gum flapping about Prop 8?" This had nothing to do with hate or fear of someone different. It had
to do with defending the definition of marriage and, ultimately, protecting
religious freedom.BTW, a recent billboard in the South read:
"Don't Pray About the Book of Mormon. That's How They Get You!!"Really? Telling your congregation NOT to ask God in prayer? That's
like saying "Don't believe Jesus, believe me!"
per worf @ 1:26 a.m. Jan. 22, 2012"Only God knows who the
Christians are. Evangelical ministers are the cults."Either you
are greatly assuming or you're God. Which is it?
re: eagle651 11:06 p.m. Jan. 20, 2012What then was all the gum
flapping about Prop 8? If it wasn't hate; it was fear of someone
different which IMO is the basis of evangelicals issues w/ the Lds faith.
When are these people going to grow up and stop the name calling? The
"cult" and "non-Christian" flame throwing has run its course
guys. The fact is that LDS are not EVANGELICAL Christians but are most certainly
Christians (No, Protestants do not have a trademark on Christianity) and if the
LDS are a cult so is every other religion. Time to move on.
Only God knows who the Christians are. Evangelical ministers are the cults.
People should remember that a candidate cannot control what their supporters
say, and should not be judged based on what people who support them say,
especially when such people are not part of their campaign staff.This is especially true in this case when Rick Santorum is a Roman Catholic
and so does not even have religious unity with this Evangelical Christian
%bleedingpurple: You state: Mormons. The only group safe to hate. Isn't it
2012? There is little reality in what you say. Mormons for the most
part are good and outstanding people. Just because others don't believe or
accept Mormon religion doesn't mean that they hate Mormons. Just because one
doesn't like a superstition doesn't mean one dosen't like the superstitious.
However, one may have reason to be cautious of how the superstitious practice
Can't discriminate against people of color, gays, or anyone different than you
... except Mormons. The only group safe to hate. Isn't it 2012?
Ok, people why are you making such a big deal of this?I'm Mormon, I
don't care what people think. Another comment stated it perfectly, if we send
missionaries out to try to convert people, why can't we take one insult? It's
NOT a big deal people!It's just someone's opinion, you know, the
right that they have to think what they want about something.Sure, I
don't support it, but WHO CARES?! Of course DNews brings this up. I'll be
surprised if they post this comment. Utahns are weird. So I guess that makes me
weird.Take an insult with some salt for once in a while and realize
there are more people who think worse about the LDS religion.
CougarKeith, Yet at the same time they are "Ev-Angel-Icals"? Break it
up they follow the belief in ANGELS, nowhere does it mention Jesus Christ??Evangelical=(Greek,Euaggelion,2098)Good message. Gospel=Latin,to
mid-13c English,KJV. JS was unaware.See (John 3:16)The Good(Eu)
Message(ag[=n]gelion)is Christ.The(name) Christian Science religion:
not all are scientists and they deny the bodily resurrection of Christ,are they
Biblical Christians? Just because someone has a car in the garage,
it does not make him a mechanic
@ midwest mom Madam I sure hope so because there was many on the other side
who did the same which got us Obama and if it holds true maybe again. Yikes
I don't care one bit what a person relgion is all I care about is can the man do
the job. That is why I say they should keep church and state sepearte, a pastor
needs to minister to his flock and stay out of polictial matters. Come election
time I will vote for the person I believe can do the best job and that willn't
be Obama. I hope Mitt Rommel is in the running I just may vote for him.
It's wonderful how "Evangelical" preachers just get away with calling
a member of the "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" a member
of a cult when the name itself speaks of "JESUS CHRIST". Yet at the
same time they are "Ev-Angel-Icals"? Break it up they follow the
belief in ANGELS, nowhere does it mention Jesus Christ in the name of the
Believers, and if so insinuates Jesus is nothing more than an "ANGEL"?
This is the view anyone could easily take. Yet at the same time members of the
Church of Jesus Christ follow the LAW OF THE LAND and allow people to worship
God according to the dictates of their conscience without CONDEMNING other
faiths. How is this even a case in point? If I were Mitt I would say, "I
find it sad that Rick, or Newt, or Ron's followers would make this an issue at
all. From my followers you hear silence simply because members of the Church of
Jesus Christ of LDS, which I belong follow the Constitution, which Allow all
people to Worship God according to the dictates of their own Conscience, that is
the stand I'll keep!" Leave it there.
The question is, are Utahns so wedded to being Republicans that they will vote
the GOP ticket, no matter who is on the ballot?
RE: The Rock, No, Mormon missionaries do not travel the world to tell people
that their religion is false premise. JS ,all their creeds were an
abomination in his sight ;that those professors were all corrupt..(JS History
1:19).The Christian response to Mormonism should beye should
earnestly CONTEND for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.(Jude
@The Rock"Mormon missionaries do not travel the world to tell people
that their religion is false."It's implied. Don't get me wrong,
I'm not trying to attack them for it since I don't think it's inherently a
problem (most churches believe they have more truth than others, otherwise why
would they exist?). The simple fact is if you believe your church is the most
true, you by definition believe that the others have at least something false.
The fact that people feel the need to bring others to a church that is more true
requires them to believe the prospective converts' current faith (or lack
thereof) is inadequate. It's also why I would've made a terrible missionary
(despite the assertions of others) because I just don't care what denomination
someone belongs to.The fact is the LDS church believes you need
certain ordinances with proper authority to reach the highest levels of heaven.
That believe directly requires the notion that other churches are inadequate.
That's okay and there are polite ways to go about that fact which from my
experience at least most members/missionaries do so. Some don't.
There will always be people who believe Mormons are a cult.There will
always be people who believe Obama is a Muslim.There will always be people
who believe Nickleback is the greatest band of all time.Should we
pay attention to them, after a mountain of evidence proves to the contrary?Or do we give into sensationalism, broadcasting far and wide whenever
any Tom, Dick, or Harry makes such a statement?
Santorum, Romney and Ginrich are all globalist Devils. Any free society with a
shred of common sense would run them out of the country with sticks and stones.
@skepticNo, Mormon missionaries do not travel the world to tell
people that their religion is false.Mormon Missionaries gratefully
proclaim that God has spoken in our day. He has called a Prophet and given us
more of His word. He has restored his priesthood authority. God has restored
His ancient religion complete with Apostles and Prophets.No, we do
not go around telling people that they are wrong.We are like the lantern
salesman who never makes an unkind comment about another lantern. We just show
them our lantern and the brilliant light that shines therefrom. There is no need
to make derogatory comments about other religions. Truth is self evident.Most anti-Mormons spend their time trying to blow out our light (good
luck with that), telling people not to look at our light; or if they should
accidentally see the light they tell them it really does not exist.Pathetic!
@Neil T"Attacks against Romney's religion are going to help,
not hinder his campaign."I would like to believe that, but I'm
afraid the voters of South Carolina are proving otherwise. Having dealt with
many 'born-again' Christians, I can see the tactics that some ministers use with
their congregations. I honestly believe many of them would rather sacrifice the
country than allow a Mormon to become president.
I just want to thank the leaders of the LDS church for staying out of political
races and never telling we members who we should vote for or not vote for. I
also want to thank the local church leaders and members who never discuss this
over the pulpit, I am grateful that I can go to church and not have my church
get into politics. But I am also grateful to learn values from my church to
give me a free thinking mind to make the choices that I feel are correct.
Who really gives a flying freak about this guy's opinion? Evidently, I'm a
member of several cults...I'm LDS, I'm a member of Costco, etc.
Such divisive commentary, people! This reminds me of the impossible task of
cleaning the Augean stables. There was so much dung from the divine cattle that
it seemed impossible for anyone to thoroughly get rid of it all. Politics, dear
friends, has ever been thus, will always be thus and even the most devout
optimist will never find a pony in this pile. Heracles is merely a myth.
I guess when you are the kind to call Islam a cult, the only thing stopping you
from calling Judaism a cult is the fact that Jesus was Jewish.
This guy is somewhat akin to Obamas hero the Rev. Wright. We should pose this
question to Jon Huntsman who is not sure he is a Mormon.
@Where's Stockton?"Well Done Jefferey Holland... The 4 thousand
A.D. council convention that created the Nicene creed stops these guy's dead in
thier tracks every time. Ole Constantine knew what he was doing. Politics and
Religion didn't go together well in those days either. "So
you're responding to charges of being a cult... by attacking the Catholic
It is amazing that people like this would vote for someone that spent 12 years
cheating on his wife, and lying to the public. Reminds me of the money
%worf; You state: After taking LDS help after Katrina, we're called a
non-Christian cult? Charity is supposed to be an act of a good heart
of godly love, not a ledger for pay backs. If you give charity with a mind set
of gaining something in return then that is a trade. It is not good custom to
weep over poor trades. Just don't do the trading, it is voluntary.
Well Done Jefferey Holland... The 4 thousand A.D. council convention that
created the Nicene creed stops these guy's dead in thier tracks every time. Ole
Constantine knew what he was doing. Politics and Religion didn't go together
well in those days either.
This man may want to rethink his "christianity".
And yet Mormons keep getting into bed with these right wing conservatives and
allow themselves to be used. Why?
And there you go, bigotry is alive and well. I wonder how this guy feels about
Jews or maybe even people with a different skin color. Nice job
Republicans, turns out you are motivated by illogical hatred.
"Blessed are ye when men shall revile you and persecute you, and say all
manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice and be exceedingly
glad; for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets
which were before you". Thus said the God that Mormons worship. Therefore
who cares what others say or do against us?
Well I think Mitt is in good compay...I'm sure the Sadduces and the Pharasee's
considered Chrit's following something of a cult...as well as did the Romans
while feeding thier pet Lions. Todays it's always pastors and ministers usually
after experiencing a hit in thier pocketbooks when seeing thier paying
parishners leave for any variety of reasons for dissatisfaction...so they blame
it on the Mormons... The all mighty dollar still speaks very loudly...especially
when it's leaving.
Santorum or Gingrich simply cannot win in a general election. They just can't,
folks. Romney has the best chance, and even then it isn't a great chance. I
think I represent most independent voters when I say that if Newt or Santorum
get the nomination, I am voting for Obama. Maybe to be a good
Christian, like this pastor says, I should just hate everyone. Then I don't run
the risk of accidentally loving the wrong kind of people.
Evangelicals are scared to death of Romney. His selection would give
credibility to a religion they openly despise. Attacks against Romney's
religion are going to help, not hinder his campaign.
Not often you see someone loudly and proudly declaring they are
"homophobic." Who could take anything else this guy says seriously?
Santorum already defended Mormonism. Back when Perrys pastor called it a cult,
Santorum was the only candidate who said that it was not a cult. He said he has
a lot of Mormon friends, and feels that they are Christian. They should have put
that in the article, instead if ruining Santorums reputation.
Perhaps I haven't been listening but I don't believe I have heard any national
officials from the Republican party condemn any of these "Anti Mormon"
comments.Have you heard from the head of the RNC (Republican
National Committee) or even our own Senators and Representatives condemn these
statements?Would their reactions be different if people were
attacking another candidate simply because he was Jewish or Catholic or
Baptists? What is the difference? It seems to me that if Romney
were not LDS he would be the candidate of choice in the Evangelical belt rather
than the currently endorsed candidate.I honest believe we need to
reevaluate our blind loyalty to the Republican party because our support is
taken for granted.
Listen, I have heard plenty of members, and seen people hear on these pages
write or say things that were not flattering toward other religions. Things
like leaders of other faiths are in it just for the money. Most rational
people dismiss these comments as being driven by ignorance. Likewise, rational
people also view these comments by anti-mormon people as being driven by
ignorance.So what, what some pastor said means nothing. We had the
idiot pastor in Florida who got himself national headlines, and yet he
represented a church of a handful of people. Or the whack job pastor in Kansas
that has his followers picketing the funerals of service men who died in combat.
There are enough idiots out there to have headlines everyday. I
wish the DN would stop feeding members paranoia. We have our fair share of nut
jobs in our church too.
After taking LDS help after Katrina, we're called a non-Christian cult?
Are we going to drag this mess around the yard again?
Why do Utah Mormons insist on belonging to a group who hates us so?!Republican and/or these so-called Christians?
Can't help but notice that all this bigotry comes from Ministers and Pastors.The LDS Church stands for high quality Christlike standards that does
not include hate.Jesus taught about the evils of hatred, but not to
I can't take evangelicals serious. First, how could any supposed evangelical
consider voting for Gingrich after he espouses "family values" and
spent time railing out President Clinton for his sexual indiscretions while
engaged in his own. Cheating on your spouse and then marrying the person you
cheated on is something that most evangelicals frown upon. Right? Now it looks like Huntsman was really the best (R) candidate. He didn't invest
in offshore investments, cheat on his wife, have strange views on contraception
or say it was okay for Iran to build a nuke. He actually made sense, no wonder
that he didn't stand a chance...
@Go Big Blue, Santorum's not the bigot. He doesn't even belong to the same
religion as Rev. Mills. Heck, Santorum even endorsed Romney in 2008.
As someone who is active LDS, the best way I know how to respond to this is
article is with a polite yawn.
When I played sport, I was taught to always play the ball and not the man. It
sickens me to see people either side of the political fence continue to play the
man. Surely there is an intelligent person out there who can attack polices and
direction. It isn't November yet and already this is getting tired. This is
going to be a long long long year.
for the record, Mormon missionaries aren't running around calling other churches
a pejorative term such as "cult". They are, however, trying to teach
others that, in their opinion, the others' religions are partly true, partly
false, whatever. You can believe 'em or not, it doesn't matter. It's a
completely different non-attacking mindset, which is why I disagree with your
I can't believe a complete bigot like Santorum has been able to get this far.
@skeptic Huh? How about which is worse, an apple or a banana? About as
irrelevant as your comparison.
How strange it all is: it is like the pot calling the kettle black. The Mormons
go bananas when others challenge their Christianity and refer to Mormons as a
cult; but at the same time Mormons send thousands of missionaries around the
world to declare that the Mormon church is the only true church and all the
other churches are fales. Which is worse, a cult or a fake.
@O'really ""hemophilia" Is that a misprint?
Hemophilia is a blood-clotting disease. If the pastor really said that...oh my!
He sounds like another kook on the loose."He actually said
'Homophilia' but just to be safe and make sure you are a 'REAL' Christian, you
should probably hate hemophiliacs AND homophiliacs. I'm pretty sure it says so
in Galatians or Deuteronomy or The Acts or something (in Huey's Bible.) At any
rate, I'm sure Huey Mills is spot on. His brand of Christianity is a religion
all its own and I'm thankful to not be associated with it in any way shape or
form.Of course, Rick Santorum won't have the courage to call this
guy for what he is. Santorum, like Perry, like Huckabee, will go silent instead
of taking a stand against him. Pathetic.
Mr. Mills, what thinkest thou of Mr. Santorum's Catholic faith?
Huey Mills just proved he is not a Christian.
who cares? who is Huey Mills? no one cares and this is his 15 minutes of glory.
it will only get worse if obama runs against him. bigots still thrive in this
None but God can say who is Christian and who is not.I wish that people
like Rev. Huey Mills would stop playing God.Judge not...
"hemophilia" Is that a misprint? Hemophilia is a blood-clotting
disease. If the pastor really said that...oh my! He sounds like another kook on
Now Santorum is finished. And has possibly ruined his chances for the VP