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Published: Thursday, Jan. 19 2012 10:24 p.m. MST

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byufootballrocks
Herndon, VA

The media doesn't want this thing to end.

So, they act like the debate was a "tie" when in reality Mitt Romney had one of his best nights. He clearly turned back the Gingrich challenge.

Romney not only looked presidential but demonstrated why he is the best option for turning around our ailing economy and scaling back the negative influence of government.

J-TX
Allen, TX

You only have to click on that last link and look at the folks Gingrich has compared himself to, to know what an egomaniac he is, and see that his aspirations for the Presidency are for his own self-aggrandizement, with little or no regard for the "little people", meaning the citizens of this land.

How could anyone in good conscience vote for this egomaniacle hedonist?

I Bleed Blue
Las Vegas, NV

The media asking Newt about his behavior and choices is not despicable. Leaving a wife not once but twice for a medical condition, that,s despicable.

williary
Kearns, UT

Just as John Kerry in 2004, the only thing "Presidential" about Mitt Romney, is that he looks like someone who could be President.

Just like Kerry, Romney is a walking contradiction to himself. What he stands for today, will likely change before the sun goes down. Just as it has over the last decade as he's gone from pandering to the liberal Mass. audience, to the conservative Tea Party audience. As the wind of the polls goes, so goes Mitt's beliefs.

This field is a mess. Newt is one of the biggest hypocrites alive today. The way he went after Clinton, and now the way he and people like Palin are defending his actions, are just pathetic.

Mitt is a liar. Bottom line. Heck, the guy believes $350,000 is not making a lot of money. Yeah, he'll do well for the middle class!

Marine Corps Vet
Tempe, AZ

The truth, though the good folks of South Carolina would be loath to admit it, is that the rank and file evangelical would sooner vote for the devil than for Romney. The hypocrisy spilling forth from Gingrich's mouth as he arrogantly denied his years of infidelity seems to resonate more reasonably with the bible thumping evangelist than one who talks the talk and walks the walk of one who has demonstrated a lifetime of faithful and committed companionship. Gingrich, by his actions and words, is making a steller case for amoral leadership. Have we really sunk to that depth?

Independent Woman
West Jordan, UT

The idea of Newt Gingrich complaining about negative comments would be funny if it weren't so ludicrous. The man is doing everything he can to trash all the other candidates, mainly Romney, but apparently sees nothing negative about that. But if anyone says anything about him he immediately gets his hackles up and yells that it's unfair...without answering the question, you'll notice. The thought of him as president is the scary beyond belief.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@byufootballrules
"So, they act like the debate was a "tie" when in reality Mitt Romney had one of his best nights. He clearly turned back the Gingrich challenge."

Mitt Romney? I think the audience would disagree.

Archi
Mclean, VA

So they demand Romney release his tax returns ASAP, yet they give Paul and Santorum a free pass? Too funny.

SammyB
Provo, UT

atl134,

You are right, the audience would disagree. I am disappointed in the general political climate in South Carolina. They are encouraging a bully and egging him on. It reminds me of a dog fight where the crowd tries to incite the fighters to more aggression. I have heard people in South Carolina encourage this attitude and take pride in it. This mob mentality is divisive and cruel. Do we really want an aggressive attack dog with no tact to be our president? Shame on them.

One last thought, Newt can dish it out but can't take it. He becomes most vicious when the press or a candidate does to him what he does. Mitt has been under attack all week by the press. This morning I commented on a Yahoo article about Mitt's taxes. Gov. Christie explained last night that the 15% tax rate is a second tax on Mitt's earnings since it is capital gains from investments. Mitt is retired. The press is lying and no one is holding them to it.

There You Go Again
Saint George, UT

Hardly "haymakers" when fact checked.

"...THE FACTS: Sure, inflation was bad and gas lines long, but under Carter's presidency unemployment never topped 7.8 percent. The unemployment rate did reach 10.8 percent, but not until November 1982, nearly two years into Reagan's first term...".

"...The economy did add 16 million jobs during Reagan's 1981-1989 presidency. Gingrich's assertion that "we created" them may have left the impression that he was a key figure in that growth. Although Gingrich was first elected to the House in 1978, his first Republican leadership position, as minority whip, began when Reagan left office, in 1989...".

"...Gingrich raised eyebrows with an open admission that he indulged in "grandiose" thinking, seemingly unaware...".

And the citizens of South Carolina are falling all over themselves cheering wildly for all things Newt.

Maybe Newt is not the only one seemingly unaware.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@SammyB
"I have heard people in South Carolina encourage this attitude and take pride in it. This mob mentality is divisive and cruel. Do we really want an aggressive attack dog with no tact to be our president? "

I think that's exactly what the Tea Party wants.

"Gov. Christie explained last night that the 15% tax rate is a second tax on Mitt's earnings since it is capital gains from investments. "

If you invest 10k and you pull it out valued at 15k after a year, you're only paying taxes on the 5k of profit. So there's no second tax. Capital gains taxes are the same taxes as those that make you report the interest you made in savings accounts. You aren't taxed on what is in your savings account, just on the interest you gained, so nothing is being taxed twice.

PP
Eagle Mountain, UT

alt134 - you do not understand how investment taxes work. The business you invest in first pays about 30%-35% on the dividend money because it is a profit that the company made, then after it is dolled out the the investors it is taxed again at about 30% if it is as part of your income or 15% if it is capital gains. In other words, the government gets 45%-65% of every dollar if profit a company makes. Thus the effective capital gains rate is 45%, not the 15% that the media (and Buffet) likes to throw around.

If you own 50% of a company you are entitled to half or any profits, but by the time the govt is done you will only get about 25% of the gross profit. By the way, if the company looses money the investor does too, but the government doesn't loose a thing since they did not have anything invested.

Also - although it is not related to the double tax being discussed - you are taxed on what is in your savings account. You were taxed on it before it ever made it into your account in the first place.

Richie
Saint George, UT

Anyone should know that you can't accurately prepare your taxes until you get your W-2's at the end of January and some more complicated forms don't arrive until March. Heavy hitters like Mitt probably make an overpayment on April 15th (to avoid penalties) and legally delay filing their return until June. Anybody stupid enough to ask about his tax bill, for 2011, in January 2012 isn't fit to be President of the USA.

don17
Temecula, CA

PP: You are 100 percent correct! Now if only the Moral Majority in South Carolina could figure it out before they sell their souls to a Bomb thrower with no morality, no tact and all our Ally's fearing his election! You never know who he will go off on next! Are you all tired of being talked down to by Mr. NEWT(I know it ALL)? His spokespersons have even said were to stupid to understand what he has said. The professor has spoken: Don't disagree with him or you get a F! Ask wives one and two. F= Failed Marriage. F= again= equals failed marriage and F three equals inFidelity!

JWB
Kaysville, UT

Very conveniently the Newsmax newsletter which is Newt Gingrich's personal advertising agency and pusher has requested that Romney produce his income tax before the election tomorrow.

Hopefully, the Romney campaign will avoid that as it takes time to assemble those documents and have them exact. The Democrats and Gingrich campaigns will dissect and fishbowl it and analyze it to death to find an error or make something out of it that it isn't. They will spin and spin them to death as they have turned over every rock to find the pea under the mattress. His father was open with the public and Mitt's integrity and character are always guarding for any appearance of doing wrong. The press is good at trying to dig up something that isn't there like ABC's George Stephanopolous, etc.

Newsmax is not a reliable source for good information.

JWB
Kaysville, UT

I know debates are not about the spouses but I would have liked to see Newt's wife's face when he was making that initial answer to the first question since it was really about her and her relationship with him for those six years in the 1990s timeframe. Mitt thinks it is all about him and he forgets that last night was about his wife #2 and wife #3. I can remember an election from 1992 that had similar discussions and he got elected, once and twice. People do get elected with these types of problems, and as we saw in 1996, it didn't stop in Arkansas.

Do people really care about morality and morals anymore? Do political parties think about morality when they go through the process? This is not the time in the 1800s when the phrase was: "Ma, Ma, where is my Pa?" "Gone to the White House, ha, ha, ha."

History is amazing and comes around the circle. Do we learn? Not always.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@PP
"The business you invest in first pays about 30%-35% on the dividend money because it is a profit that the company made, then after it is dolled out the the investors it is taxed again at about 30% if it is as part of your income or 15% if it is capital gains. "

So you just said that regular income and capital gains both are subject to the business taxes first. That means there's no reason that capital gains gets special discount tax rates because it's subject to the same first tax as regular income. The argument for people that capital gains tax rates should be lower than regular income is that it's subject to double taxation, but that argument doesn't work if both types of income are subject to double taxation.

"you are taxed on what is in your savings account. You were taxed on it before it ever made it into your account in the first place. "

Right, but I'm arguing that capital gains taxes do not apply after on your money that was subject to income taxes. In the bank case only the interest goes through capital gains taxes.

A1994
Centerville, UT

@atl134

You seem awfully concerned about how Romney is taxed. Do you feel the same way about George Soros and the Kennedy's?

Should Romney have been taxed at a higher capital gains rate? Should he not have made so much money? Does his being VERY wealthy disqualify him to hold office? Has he done something morally or ethically wrong by trying to become as wealthy as possible?

I don't understand this argument about Mitt Romney's tax situation. There has been no illegal activity by Mr. Romney, so why all the scrutiny? Would you be more comfortable with a President who has been LESS successful? Does the fact that Obama has a net worth of about 2-3 million dollars put him more in tune 'the common guy' more than Romney? I don't want the less-successful, common guy to lead the country. I want the most successful, most qualified guy in charge.

PP
Eagle Mountain, UT

atl134 - the difference is that if you are only an investor in the company then it is a 15% tax rate. If you are an employee of the company and you get a dividend because of stock options or something like that then it is considered income and not capital gains, just like any monetary benefit (ie bonus) provided by your employer. Once you retire though you are no longer an employee and your tax rate goes down to 15% on any dividend. But again that number is deceptive. If the company is not profitable or looses money then then investors lose with it. If the company goes out if business or into chapter 11 you lose 100% of your investment. If you added the percent tax rate to the average percent of losses suffered by investors I bet the actual percentage would be much higher than the standard income tax rate. something a regular employee never has to worry about.

Regardless, the money is still taxed twice and the net result is a far higher percentage than Mr Buffets secretary makes.

worf
Mcallen, TX

If the IRS hasn't got to Romney, than he's within the law. Everthing else is envy. People are barking up the wrong tree.

Has Obama paid taxes on the millions he took from us for his lavish vacations? Isn't he a rich millionaire?

Would a man who spent years cheating on his wives, be trusted with the presidency?

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