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Santorum edges Romney in final Iowa GOP count

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  • wrz Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 20, 2012 12:31 p.m.

    @JWB:

    "wrz 10:46 a.m. SLC"

    Good luck on finding that post. For some strange reason, it disappeared. I guess the monitors had second thoughts. Contrary to what has been considered an actual fact for many years only real people vote in Illinois.

    This did not originate with me. It has long been said that Illinois politics is corrupt and that the dead, somehow, find a way to vote. The old saying 'vote early and vote often' originated in Chicago... And take a look, several of their past politicians have gone at cross purposes with the law... including Blago (as reported in the DNews).

    Monitor: My seventh try. I give up. Everything in my post is true and anything that may be considered abusive, is factual.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Jan. 19, 2012 5:31 p.m.

    We're all flip floppers. Some will never admit it, and some will.

  • Ms.W South Jordan, UT
    Jan. 19, 2012 2:00 p.m.

    And Mitt Romney called Rick Santorum to congratulate him....classy.

  • wrz Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 19, 2012 1:57 p.m.

    @JWB

    "It is really interesting in the Iowa system that it cannot be certified, really certified until 2 weeks after the vote..."

    Shades of how they do it in Illinois where voters' names are picked off headstones and where voters are encourage to 'vote early and vote often.'

    Santorum lacks gravitas. He reminds me of a high school junior running for student body president.

  • Ares Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 19, 2012 1:36 p.m.

    No way, an article by Deseret News of the election that doesn't involve Romney?

    Oh wait... he's still involved. The DNews doesn't want anyone but him on any stories. Bias.

  • mightymite DRAPER, UT
    Jan. 19, 2012 12:48 p.m.

    This is awesome. Romney is certainly going own slowly but going down.

  • Mr. Bean Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 19, 2012 11:12 a.m.

    @wrz:

    "Santorum lacks gravitas. He reminds me of a high school junior running for student body president."

    You got that right. I hope Santorum can secure the high school student body president position. Then, maybe, in a few years when he has taken on a mantra and look of intelegence and wisdom he can run for US President. Right now, he ain't qualified.

    Newt? Too much arrogance with a temper. How can we put a guy who served his wife divorce papers on her death bed?

    Ron Paul? Good heavens! He's mostly a nut job with maybe one good idea.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 19, 2012 11:10 a.m.

    wrz 10:46 a.m. SLC

    We lived in Illinois for 9 years and I know what you mean. We lived in southern Illinois but the Chicago area is really what you are talking about. Santorum has some good principles in practice but he is similar to VP Dan Quayle and would be eaten by the sharks of Obama in the next 9 months of campaigning. The King of campaigning has his minions in Chicago already lining the streets with strategic and tactical plans for combat with the Republicans as in their new line of advertising. Mitt Romney can't give up as he acquiesced with John McCain in 2007-2008. We thought it might be Hilliary but when she was persuaded to back down and Obama took over, John McCain and Palin could not handle all those barbs handed out in every speech going into every home and living room during every newscast, 24-hours a day.

    Chicago style pizza and politics are not normal politics, today, tomorrow and especially from the past. The President even released Mayor Bill Dayly as he wasn't as strong as his Father, mayor of Chicago forever.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Jan. 19, 2012 11:03 a.m.

    RE: Brother Chuck

    I didn't say who I wanted to see win Iowa. My comment had nothing to do with any candidate or their perceived positions on any matter.....unlike you.

    You must believe in revisionist history or have a short jmemory if you can't remember the mess Florida experienced with hanging chads, dimples, missing ballots, etc during a rather recent presidential election. Or maybe you're too young to have noticed what was happening in the Bush/Gore vote in Florida. The whole thing made national headlines and found its way not only to the Florida Supreme Court (which looked silly) but also the US Supreme Court.

    I'm more bagging on election proceedures than any person, by the way, in case you couldn't tell that, either.

  • Alfred Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 19, 2012 11:02 a.m.

    @Brother Chuck Schroeder:

    "Mitt Romney will NEVER be a Marco Rubio."

    There's some good news.

    "Nor will he stand next to Romney."

    Mayhaps he will stand next to Cuba's Castro. He's done nothing about bringing a mondicum of freedom to millions of fellow Cubans.

    "Romney flip-flops to much."

    Rubio has buried himself in the Congress where the objective is to not take a definitive position on any important issue to avoid even the appearance of flip flopping.

  • ClarkKent Bountiful, Utah
    Jan. 19, 2012 10:52 a.m.

    I am enjoying this -- its better than paying money for a comedy show!

  • Brother Chuck Schroeder A Tropical Paradise USA, FL
    Jan. 19, 2012 10:29 a.m.

    Re: skeptic | 9:35 a.m. Jan. 19, 2012
    Phoenix, AZ
    % Brother Chuck Schroeder 8:11 a.m.
    Your comment brings one to wonder if you feel Marie Antoninette's offer of cake was a jester of free loader.

    Reply: That's their ReaganBushClintonBush-villes economics. The ones running are nothing more them pure apocalyptic fiction. They are "NOT" qualified in America to run as president of the United States. Wouldn't it be great if a Republican presidential candidate Romney could just buy the support of just about every major conservative talk show host in America? Well, it may not be as far-fetched as you may think. Clear Channel owns more radio stations (850) than anyone else in the United States. Well, it turns out that Bain Capital is one of the primary owners of Clear Channel. Yes, you read that correctly. The company that Mitt Romney ran for so long is one of the "big bosses" over virtually all conservative talk radio in America. So you tell me. Romney owns Clear Channel Communications, Inc. that runs conservative talk shows, why do they, Glenn Beck and Rush want HIM elected?.


    Re: Wldflwr 9:58 a.m.

    Reply: NOW you do.

  • Wldflwr Lehi, UT
    Jan. 19, 2012 9:58 a.m.

    Bro Chuck - so are y0u really saying that Romney lost the precinct votes in Iowa? Hmmmm didn't know they let the candidtares touch those things.

  • JNA Layton, UT
    Jan. 19, 2012 9:51 a.m.

    Votes have gone missing? And we still allow these clowns in Iowa to be front and center in US Presidential politics...wow

  • skeptic Phoenix, AZ
    Jan. 19, 2012 9:35 a.m.

    % Brother Chuck Schroeder | 8:11 a.m. Jan. 19, 2012
    A Tropical Paradise USA, FL

    Your comment brings one to wonder if you feel Marie Antoninette's offer of cake was a jester of free loader welfare or a provcocation of class warfare. one asks because it seems that when the president or other national leaders make reference of the need for more equal and equitable sharing of the American pie there are shouts of it is taking it from the castle of the rich. If the super rich have taken all the loot and keep it to themselves in their castle; then isn't it a little shallow of them to cry class warfare when others try to level the playing field and improve greater citizen worker participation for a better nation. If it doesn't totally favor the super rich then is it socialism or communism; it seems that is the cake being offered to the masses.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    Jan. 19, 2012 9:26 a.m.

    Saturday's vote will be interesting. With Perry/Bachman out, those votes will go to anyone but Romeny. Gingrich has been climbing, while his PAC is spending ridiculous amounts of money. Mitt just can't get out from his shaddy past, and shaddy business record.

    If this were a 2-3 person race, and Paul just called it quits, you'd likely see Romney lose the nomination. The Anti-Romney vote is much stronger as a whole than the Romney vote is. If the field dwindles quick enough, the Conservatives who have had some much to say the last 3.5 years might actually stand up for what they believe in and nominate a real Conservative.

  • Brother Chuck Schroeder A Tropical Paradise USA, FL
    Jan. 19, 2012 9:12 a.m.

    Re: toosmartforyou | 8:46 a.m. Jan. 19, 2012
    Farmington, UT
    So apparently it isn't just Florida that can't count actual votes correctly.

    Reply: Don't blame my State of Florida, blame your looser Mitt Romney that flip-flops to much. As I said, "Mitt Romney will NEVER be a Marco Rubio. Nor will he stand next to Romney."

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 19, 2012 9:07 a.m.

    It is really interesting in the Iowa system that it cannot be certified, really certified until 2 weeks after the vote, especially with their wanting to be the first out of the gate to impact on the election and candidate process. If all those polling places are in doubt, then 34 votes are still in doubt. They just have dropped off the radar of the other states so Iowa will have a credibility problem next time with their system. Does that mean the general election process may have a flaw in Iowa? With polling places with judges, can their system be reliable? Since this is a party thing, the Iowa Supreme Court won't intervene but it will be an impact on Iowa's tourist process in 4 years. Mitt's integrity may be questioned by the media and campaigns but he has always been above board in his life and way of life. He espouses all the characteristics of a person that will always stand tall in this any other event in life. Since the vote is still in question the split delegates is basically still the same. Gingrich may seem smart but that is not what we need, we need HONOR

  • Brother Chuck Schroeder A Tropical Paradise USA, FL
    Jan. 19, 2012 9:00 a.m.

    Mitt Romney will NEVER be a Marco Rubio. Nor will he stand next to Romney.

    Romney flip-flops to much.

    My views.

    Dear Chuck:

    On December 17, 2011, the Senate passed a $915 billion spending bill which funds the Departments of Defense, Education, Energy, Homeland Security, Labor, Health and Human Services, Interior and the Environmental Protection Agency, and other agencies for this fiscal year until September 30, 2012. Unfortunately, this bill does nothing to resolve Washington's massive spending habit or our nation's unemployment problem, and is riddled with anti-life provisions and earmarks. For these reasons, I voted against it.



    The President recently asked Congress to approve a sixth increase in the debt ceiling. The request is another $1.2 trillion, adding to a three year debt binge that has totaled $4.5 trillion and has enabled our overall debt to surpass $15 trillion. This latest request will push the federal debt limit well above $16 trillion. Instead of making debt ceiling increases a routine Washington exercise, we need to make it routine to actually spend no more than we take in. Until then, I will oppose any request to continue borrowing and spending recklessly.

    US Senator Marco Robio

  • SLars Provo, UT
    Jan. 19, 2012 8:51 a.m.

    Poor choice of headline AP, it was called a tie due to the 8 missing precincts. The only loser was Iowa, that lost some credibility losing eight precincts worth of votes.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 19, 2012 8:49 a.m.

    @stgjazzfan
    "Santorum was not given the win by Iowa he was awarded a tie because three presencs tallys were lost and can not be retreved and the number of deligates are being split evenly. But I'm sure there are many who will spin this however they want. "

    Why do I feel like you weren't saying that when Romney was claiming he made history by winning the first two staets?

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Jan. 19, 2012 8:46 a.m.

    So apparently it isn't just Florida that can't count actual votes correctly. I think Jon Huntsman's analysis of Iowa wasn't too far from the turth.

  • Kathy. Iowa, Iowa
    Jan. 19, 2012 8:42 a.m.

    Here is the problem with the missing precincts. Here is the result from my precinct alone, which was reported. Romney 71 Paul 45 Santorum 39 Gingrich 27 Perry 18 Bachmann 12 Huntsman 1 So if just our precinct was missing it was a 32 vote difference in the race between Romney and Santorum. I have the results from another precinct and Romney won by 34 votes there so if any precincts are missing it makes a difference.

    There is no fudging of results as all campaigns are invited to observe the counting of the ballots. We had a committee of 5 people count and recount the ballots.

    Personally I believe they should change the process here in Iowa. If you are not in Iowa that night and can't attend that hour you cannot participate.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Jan. 19, 2012 8:36 a.m.

    The mentality of jealous people.

    No wonder we've had leaders causing sixteen trillion debts and high unemployment. Leaders who would rather subject us to middle east oil rather than ours or Canada's. Leaders who take our money for personal vacations.

    Our debt, high unemployment, and dependence on mid east oil is proof of a corrupt government.

    Let's keep being fooled by class envy and worthless pep rally speeches. Learning is so difficult.

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    Jan. 19, 2012 8:33 a.m.

    Mitt will be fine regardless.

    Mitt maintains he will bring jobs to USA, but in fact he attended Harvard Business school where there is no class on how to develop new jobs. There are classes on how to make a business more sucessful and that is done by cutting costs and increasing output.

    That is the job of any business owner and the highest expense in most companies are the employees, so although he maintains he will bring new jobs he has had no experince in that but has had plenty in removing them, getting the work done either by mechanization or by shipping the work overseas to les developed countries.

    Business owners are never attracted to more empoyees/overhead but are more likely to cut them whenver they have a chance.

    The Romney if elected will again have to flip on what he really is good at doing. He will want to develop jobs but he is much better at cutting and has been abysmal at job creation. I expect that will not change.

  • IA Cougar West Des Moines, IA
    Jan. 19, 2012 8:32 a.m.

    The press loves to report this because they do not like Romney. CNN reported this yesterday with headlines that Santorum actually won. Really? With precincts uncountable, the real result is a virtual tie. Iowa's caucus votes and non-binding. In the 2008 cycle, the state went for Huckabee yet cast all delegate votes for McCain. This is really a lot about nothing...but not if you are attracted to negative Romney headlines!

  • stgjazzfan Saint George, UT
    Jan. 19, 2012 8:24 a.m.

    Santorum was not given the win by Iowa he was awarded a tie because three presencs tallys were lost and can not be retreved and the number of deligates are being split evenly. But I'm sure there are many who will spin this however they want.

  • sergio Phoenix, AZ
    Jan. 19, 2012 8:06 a.m.

    surely Romney can reach into his little coin purse and find the change to buy a few more votes.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Jan. 19, 2012 7:53 a.m.

    The Deseret News says Romney flips again. Isn't it more like "Flops?"