Good for Coach K. He gave Josh a reasonable chance and Josh failed to take
advantage of it in a postive way. I was not a fan of the selection of Larry
Krystkociak as head coach. But he is doing some good things and I believe he has
the team headed in the right direction. A lot of people predicted that the Utes
would be not win a game in conference and might be one of the worst teams ever.
They are far from being where they need to be, but I can see an additional 4-5
wins on the schedule and double figures in victories is a definite possibility.
Good luck to all, including Jiggy.....
I'm not seeing how this was "courageous" or "brave" of
krystkowiak. The truth is utah's basketball team sucks so having watkins gone
isn't going to make any real difference, they'll still suck.That
said if the kid wasn't willing to follow the rules then I'll give krustkowiak
the benefit of the doubt and assume he is doing what he thinks is best for his
program. I just have to laugh at the "courageous" and
"brave" comments. Ridiculous.
Good job, Coach Kry. You gave the kid two chances to succeed and no player is
above the team. It took guts to cut loose your highest scorer, but it had to be
done. This is similar to the Davies situation. Both players knew what was
expected, and they both initially fell short. After their second chances, Davies
turned the situation around and Watkins did not. Kudos to both programs.
StGtoSLCI'm still the same...but like Davies's situation last year
this just isn't the time or place for going off half cocked.
MLH...Don't waste your breath on Ted H. He's more than amply already
proven his insignificance alot better on his own than you I, or anyone else
could. To paraphrase Baseball's great Ted Williams... once
speaking about a sports hack who continued ruthlessly belittling one of Williams
teammates...I give you the following."Those who criticise and
belittle those who possess great talent...obviously do so merely because they
mlh,Why should I feel bad for Jigly? Let's review the facts: He
has a great and free eductional opportunity. He has an impressive skill set.
At best, he gets to play professional basketball. At worse, he gets a free
education for simply playing hoops(and yes although a major committmeent, a
committment many people love and would love to have). How many
people have such an amazing opportunity? Not many. The kid is asked to follow
some pretty simple rules: go to class, do your homework, come to practice, don't
get arrested. If he can't follow those and loses potential future
opportunities 100% due to his laziness or decision not to follow simple
instructions, you better believe you won't find me feeling sorry for him.Go Arizona!
It is good news that Utah has finally held a player to at least some standards.
The team will get better and clearing the decks will open the way to get better
Ted H.WOW, I hope you are not a grown man saying stuff like this.
Get personal with fans, coaches, administration at Utah but to feel good about a
21 year old kid getting kicked off a team that is just pure hate and shows the
lack of understanding of what college athletics is all about. I was lucky
enough to play 4 years of college ball that helped me form what I am today. I
don't wish this on any kid be it a Ute, Cougar, Aggie, or Wildcat. Keep hoping
that the Utes keep geeting destroyed but remember all of these young athletes we
get the plessure to watch are just kids also trying to form thier future. What
kind of future does Jiggy have now?bye bye Ted you're the man
Looking forward to a big Arizona win tonight!bye bye jigly
A guy getting kicked off a team is never a good thing, regardless of who you're
cheering for. Good luck overcoming this misfortune (they'll need all the luck
they can get).
ThomasJeffersonClassy Comment- Where's Stockton??? comments read
Slow recognition by Utah that recruiting character is as important as recruiting
talent. By accepting a scholarship, Watkins represents the entire state of Utah,
yes including local USU and BYU fans, not just his own person. Good on the
stgslc,Surely your feelings were similar to Where's Stockton???
after the Davies thing last year. I know you would never be so hypocritical.
I think it's funny jigly wigly is gone. I am so happy the utes are
getting destroyed. I look forward to checking the scores tonight to see another
ute beatdown! Go.....whoever utah is playing tonight!
Thank you, Stockton, one of the first times I've whole-heartedly agreed with
every word of your comment. Sometimes there is a fine line between
sports/entertainment issues and real life human issues. Sometimes it's worth
taking a step back and seeing something from the perspective of a parent,
teammate or close friend, instead of someone who just checks the scores on
Thursday and Saturday nights.
@Cali Coug...etal...None of us out here on the outer circle should
be pointing fingers...we don't know the circumstances and we certainly will not
be part of the overall solution...at least not by using this forum to act out
our rival differences. So on both sides I think it's time to drop the upstaging
and the belittlement and put the emphasis on trying to convey to Josh Watkins
that the time to offer him our support is right now...and not later... and to
encourage him to stay and finish his schooling. That is what "should
be" going on in this site. What I am saying isn't new. I'm
saying only things that some Ute fans expressed last year to thier own when
BYU's Brandon Davies went through his suspension. To thier own they stepped
forward and requested for an easing back on the negative rhetoric and putting
instead Brandon's welfare to the forefront. That's what Josh Watkins needs more
than anything else right now...regardless of where our... different loyalties to
schools may lie.
Missing practice ? When you are on a full ride to play basketball ? Sorry but he
had to go.
N.C.Y,Indefinite means not definite. In other words, whenever
he met the coaches terms and/or expectations whether 1 minute or 1 year from the
time of their discussion. This was an attitude and punctuality issue, not a
illegal drug binge. Chances are good that Coach Krystkowiak simply wanted a
sincere apology and some commitment out of him.So as I said previously,
some of you guys make way more out of things then they really are.
re:motorbikeActually just saying it like it is. I'm still wondering how a
person can be 'indefinitely suspended" for less than a week. I
don't think there is a lot of consipracy on my part, sort of stating the
A couple of thumbs up and some thumbs down.Up to Coach K (yes Utah
has one also. He is a very good coach.) He gave Jiggy a a solid chance to
imporve. But the integrity of his team and school were at stake here. He did
the right thing.Down to Jiggy. He wasted a 2nd chance from Coach K.
Hope he learns from this, stays in school and graduates.Down to BYU
fans who left negative comments.Down to Utah fans who left negative
comments last year concerning Brandon Davies.Up to all fans who who
left positive comments this year and last. Sometimes the color of the uniform
is not as important as the person wearing it or the coach wanting to help that
I hate to see this happen to any team. It hurts the teams cohesiveness -
especially when its someone that the team has relied heavily upon. But through
this adversity the team will be stronger in the long run. When will
these young men learn how to follow team rules? Stupid, stupid, stupid.
I'm not trying to be mean spirited, but in a year like this, Watkins dismissal
will have very little affect on the outcome of the year. Best case scenario,
the Utes would have only won 1 or 2 more games with Watkins. There's a good
chance U wouldn't have won any more games. Without Watkins, there's still a
good chance that U won't win any more games.But USC, Oregon State
and Arizona State are proving that they are not much better than Utah. Who
knows, maybe the rest of the team will rally together after this and steal a win
I think he spent his lunch money on tatoos.
As a die-hard Cougar fan, I feel for Ute fans. I remember back in the day when
leading scorer Byron Ruffner got kicked off the team in (I think) 1996 and then
Ron Selleaze (sp?) in Steve Cleveland's first season. I think he was the team's
leading scorer too.It may be a blessing for the Utes, giving the
kids a chance to play everyday and prepare for next yeare. Watkins was a senior,
and though he was a scorer, he wasn't helping the team win.
It was brave of Coach K to dismiss Watkins? Who are we kidding here? The team
wasn't going to win any more games with or without him. This just gives the new
coach another excuse as to why the team is so terrible this year. All he has
done since he got here was blame everything on the previous coach. Where is
Coach K's accountability for this mess? And for that matter, Dr. Hill for his
role in it?By all accounts Jiggy was a good kid. There weren't any
documented problems with him last year. Now all of a sudden he's the scapegoat
for our tanking program. If his biggest sin was tardiness, was there something
other than apathy causing it. Was he having sleeping problems or similar issues
related to his asthma? Was there anything that could have been done to help him?
If it was apathy, why wasn't the staff able to get him to buy in? Maybe people
should hold off on crushing Jiggy and consider that there may be more factors in
First of all, Coach K should have said, back before the BYU game, That Jiggy
would be suspended for a specific number of games. That is what most all coaches
say when a player is suspended. That way the player, media and fans know what to
expect. To say "indifferently" certainly means more than one game. To
me, this was one of the reasons there was another downfall. Can someone come up
with any coach that has said a player was suspended indifferently and then
brought them back after one game, and just 2 days later?BTW, I
didn't know that the u had an honor code? I wonder how that is going to go over
with those recruits that are looking at the u?
Just the monikers of Ute fan posters on the board belie motorbike's claim that
it would be ridiculous to put more focus and importance on a non-conference foe
than PAC 12 squads. See "54-10" "Mid-Major Cougars"
"Qwest Perfected" as just a small sample of evidence.Best
wishes to Jiggly Watkins, wherever he may land. Jordan Loveridge did a nice
segment on the news as prep of the week. Ute fans will really appreciate his
efforts in the coming years.
This is going to hurt the team initially as his production will be missed on the
court, but it is a plus for the program. Hopefully this is the last of the bad
apples Boylen brought here that needed to be gotten rid of before they spoil the
I think there needs to be an article on the difference between Coach K and Coach
These kids that think they are entitled need to go. They need to be
reminded that it is a privilege to get an education in return for bouncing a
ball.Good job Coach. You got support.
Wonder how long he'll actually be "dismissed" from the team this
time?Hang in there lil band of transfers!
Hopefully he did something worse than having sex with his girlfriend to deserve
this! haha Top players for "Big Programs" get away with murder...
Players in Utah probably can't say a cuss word or they get kicked off the team.
Whoah Nellie, please share with me your reasoning at attacking my class. I may
have a favorite team and a least favorite fanbase, but I spend a lot of time
with athletes at all different levels, so I have great respect for athletes in
general, regardless of what team they play for. I have some perspective into the
issues that athletes face. I do enjoy friendly banter on sports topics with
other enthusiasts, but I find it offensive that so many people use the anonymity
of a screen name to act in ways many of them probably verbally denounce.
utahutahutahhate the school, love the state.I hope Josh figures out
what he wants in life, I know 2010 & 2011 had to be challenging years for
him. To come from a winning program to a school that is struggling in so many
different sports programs, it must be extremely depressing. Playing before a
couple of hundred fans at each home game, little support from the university and
community can make the adjustment difficult for transfer students. However,
none of this should have been a surprise. I hope he is able to finish his
degree at the u, establish post basketball goals and move forward in achieving
those goals. We all wish him the very best with the decisions he must make.
Hopefully there is an outside chance Kry will let him back on the teamas this
may be what is best for the team and Josh. Good luck to Josh, good
luck to the u.
Fellow Y fans: This was an enormously brave thing for Coach K to do. It may
ultimately mean his job if the loss margins get too outrageous. He could have
kept this quiet and let Jiggy do his thing on the court, but he chose instead to
cut the best player on his struggling team to set an apparently necessary
example. And the timing is NOT hypocritical or questionable. "He should've
cut him before the BYU game". Nonsense. Give me a break.
I respect Coach for sticking to his guns on this one. He gave him a chance but
this time he had to cut him loose. A disciplined program is a must and that
starts with respecting the coach and the team rules. Looks like the
Freshman guards will get some more playing time though. Go Utes!
I know that there is way too much vitriol between the north and the south for
there to be a reasonable expectation for this to occur, but I, for one, am going
to try to support all of my Utah universities and wish them much success, while
reserving the right to root for the team of my choice when there are interstate
games.So, go Utes, Cougars, Aggies and Wildcats! I wish your
basketball and football teams the very best in the years to come. I hope you all
represent the state of Utah well!
I know that there is way too vitriol between the north and the south for this to
be a realistic expectation on a large scale, but I, for one, am going to try to
support and root for all of my Utah universities, while reserving my right to
cheer for the team of my choice when there are interstate matchups. Sports fanaticism should be filled with fun and excitement rather than anxiety
and rancor. Go Utes! I wish your basketball team well and hope you represent our
beautiful state well.
Good luck Jiggy and my Utes! We'll bounce back.I agree that everyone
deserves a 2nd and 3rd chance. We simply don't know the details so commenting on
anything is ridiculous. Go Utes!
How about a sample of posts from the article when Davies was suspended:Chris B | 7:08 p.m. March 1, 2011Salt Lake City, UTAnd it all came
crashing down!I could hear the crash from Salt LakeCan
you say ONE AND DONE? 7:12PM (also Chris B..4 min later)I
thought THIS was the season?One NCAA win in 20 years. LOLSee ya
again in 2030!LOL
motorbike"Yeah, cause Utah certainly cared more about one
out-of-conference game more than their 13 remaining Pac 12 games."Don't kid yourself. Utah proved during football season that beating BYU was
far more important to them than finishing with a winning record in the PAC
12.The same is even more true for basketball. The Utes gave max
effort in a very physical game against BYU, even reinstating a player ONE day
after being "indefinitely suspended." The Utes haven't given that kind
of effort for most of the season, so it's obvious where they place their
priorities. As far as the 13 remaining PAC 12 games, everyone with any
basketball sense at all knows that the Utes would be lucky to win one or two
more games even with Jiggy, so it's not like Jiggy's dismissal is going to
seriously impact the season. Does it really matter whether Utah finishes with 1,
2 or 3 conference wins?
I think the difference between the BYU and Utah stories is that BYU was going to
the Big Dance after a long long drought. The Utes have no chance, so the only
readers are the true sports fans. It's a sad day for the Utes. But,
I hope the fans still turn out on Thursday.Go Niners!
"Why couldn't the Brandon Davies situation of last year been handled with a
single statement just like that."idablu,That is how
the Brandon Davies suspension was handled. BYU released a statement that Davies
was suspended for a violation of the school's honor code. That's it. Everything
else was from the national media who swarmed to the story like a flock of
magpies. I thought BYU handled the issue as well as they possibly could have
given the intense national spotlight that was on the program at the time.It will be interesting to see if the same Ute fans who loudly criticized
BYU for their handling of the Davies suspension will now demand to know why
Watkins was suspended. Either way, not many in the media will care because the
Utes are so terrible.
sources say ... gotta love that phrase ... Jiggy missed two days of practices
and meetings without ever contacting anyone on the coaching staff.Whether
true or not I don't know ... but that's the word on the street.
"Josh "Jiggy" Watkins has been dismissed from the University of
Utah basketball team for an undisclosed violation of team rules."I like how this was announced. As a BYU alum and BYU fan, I still want to
know: Why couldn't the Brandon Davies situation of last year been handled with
a single statement just like that. In both cases, we, the public, don't need to
know what warranted the suspension other that he violated team rules. That is
all that needs to be said. I think the Davies situation could have been handled
much more discreetly with a simple statement like that.Anyway,
tough, tough loss for the Utes. The kid can play. Hats off to Coach Kry and best
wishes for Watkins.
N.C.Y"Guess you can't expect too much slack when you only have
4 wins and BYU isn't on the schedule again."______________________Yeah, cause Utah certainly cared more about one out-of-conference game
more than their 13 remaining Pac 12 games.You're quite the
I'm happy there are not a bunch of people speculating or rumoring about what
Watkins did to get kicked off the team. What he did does not need to be known
beyond him and those who need to know. I hope the media do not dig any further.
We only need to know that he is no longer on the team, period.I
only wish Davies would have been given this level of privacy by the media,
vulturous "fans", and rivals last year.
This kid should have not been allowed to come back so quickly the first time. I
think the coach caved because BYU was coming up. That sends a bad message to a
player which is basically, "Hey, we'll discipline you as long as you're not
needed." Jiggy doesn't take the discipline serious and now he's gone to
far and maybe thinking the coach would cut him slack like he did the first time.
Guess you can't expect too much slack when you only have 4 wins and
BYU isn't on the schedule again.
A quick addendum to an above comment ... I said "some of you Cougar fans
are so paranoid and self-absorbed it's beyond ridiculous."I ought to
make mention that there have been some very good comments from Cougar fans on
this thread as well - good comments that show concern for Watkins and his
education. Thanks to you guys for showing some class and forgetting the rivalry
for a few minutes rather than getting a jab in or talking about conspiracy
Kind of crazy people are slamming coach K for letting Jiggy back on the team.The first suspension was labled as "indefinite" because Jiggy
was late to a practice. At that time he was given a number of things he had to
do to get reinstated. He did those things and was allowed to rejoin the team.
I give a ton of credit to coach K for everything he did to the teams
leading scorer. Yeah the season has been rough but that means having Watkins is
even that much more important. The Utes still have games and conference
positioning to play for - as bad as they have been they aren't in last place.I'm not sure what brought on this action this time, but I respect the
coaching staff for taking action with their leading scorer.
Balan - [Coach Krystkowiak] caved into pressure and reinstated
Watkins a day after "indefinitely" suspending him - all so he could
play in the BYU game._______________So you were privy to the
terms of Watkins' first suspension? Please tell us all exactly what Coach
Krystkowiak told Watkins and how missing the BYU game was a definite part of
that arrangement. Some of you Cougar fans are so paranoid and
self-absorbed it's beyond ridiculous.
StGtoSLC, You, of all people, should not be lecturing others about having
And this is the value Mr. Watkins places on a college education. Wow! He could have changed his life, and his family's for generations to come, and
now that opportunity is gone.
Kiboo"I would have had more respect for the coach had he stuck to his
guns the first time. Now that the season IS lost, he lets him go???"__________________So tell us Kiboo, what do you know about this
that makes you make such a comment?Ridiculous.It's gutsy enough that
Coach dismissed him at all ... that's not a decision that's made quickly or
without a few chances ... unless you aren't human or don't have a heart.
RE: mdWins? You're joking right???
@EuroskepticWhen a player from the Y is suspended, it's because the
rules he has to follow are too restrictive and the university has no right to
enforce such rules on young, aspiring student athletes.When a player
from the U is suspended, it's because the university has integrity and character
and won't stand for student athletes who would embarrass the university.The U of U fan base always has and always will follow a double standard.
It's as simple as that.
I love the showing of class in these posts by Balan, agb, jarka-rus, etc, don't
know what different reaction I expected. This is a serious issue in many aspects
for Coach, Jiggy and the entire program. Basketball has been this kid's entire
life, without it he may not have had an opportunity to get an education, and
without it who would want to keep going to classes and be subject to such
criticism in his last semester? As a coach, it would have to kill you to make a
decision for the good of the team and see someone possibly not graduate when
they were so close. And on a much less-important perspective, for the program
this could result in loss of scholarships if he doesn't finish school.I for one hope Jiggy can see the importance in finishing his degree, and learn
a lesson about responsibility and accountability from this. I can also
appreciate the sentiments of a few others here who see the value of an
individual and not just some inferior rival worthy of kicking while they're
@Kiboo "Now that the season IS lost, he lets him go???"The
season is just heating up or was I should say. Three close games with Watson,
even against Stanford. Conference play has been more exciting than pre-season.
This is really going to hurt. Coach, we are counting on you to make
Although Watkins is history in this program, it's my hope that he stays in
school, grows up as a person and succeeds in life. What is happening to him
right now might be the biggest and most important thing he learns as a college
student. You had some fine moments as a Ute, Jiggy. Now get out there and show
all doubters thay you are going to have some fine moments as a man.
Good job Coach K. Integrity is more important than wins.
I don't know the circumstances, but at first glance, it looks that Coach Kry's
making the right choices during tough times. When you are losing games by the
margin the Utes are right now, it has got to be extremely hard to let go of your
top performer in multiple categories.Good luck to Coach Kry and the
Utes moving forward.
The coach did the right thing, just like BYU did last season. He got his second
chance and he blew it! I wish the poor kid well, and hope he gets on with his
life in a positive way. It is sad to see such a once great program so down and
out. I think they need to make the moves necessary to make Utah a great
basketball program once again, getting former assistant coaches are not going to
get your program where it needs to be, you need to spend the money to bring in a
Great Name to draw the BIG RECRUITS to have a BIG TIME TEAM like you used to
have! As a die hard Cougar, I loved Ute Basketball almost as much as Cougar
Basketball, except for two sometimes three times a year! I look forward to a
couple more years when you make a GOOD HIRE for a coach, let's face it, other
than Arizona the Utes could easily be in the running for the Pac-12 Title EVERY
YEAR if you had the program you had just a handful of years ago! Get Hungry, GET
Let's see if Coach Kry has what it takes to suspend a player when it really
matters. He had a chance to send that message early in the season - but
unfortunately didn't. He caved into pressure and reinstated Watkins a day after
"indefinitely" suspending him - all so he could play in the BYU
game.This suspension means absolutely nothing, other than allowing
Coach Kry to pat himself on the back for making the "tough" decision.
I admire Coach K. He gave Watkins a chance with a milder suspension, but,
apparently that did not get through to Watkins. To let go your lone senior and
probably the best player on a struggling team took character.
This may be good for the future of the team. Rather than relying on one
player's skills, everyone else on the team has to step up now.
jarka-rusBoy you come up with some good ones. The y game is in the
past, move on with your team and the WCC. We'll move on with ours.
Wait, there are rules? I thought that was the great appeal of the U - "no
one tells you how to live your life" or "forces you to live by their
rules". How is this possible?In any case, hope Watkins gets his
act together and is successful in his other pursuits.
And a tough season gets even tougher.......
I know it's Coach Kry's job to think of the program first. But since I'm not
the coach, I hope Watkin's is able to fix whatever needs to be fixed and move on
with his life.
@Kiboo - He's not allowed to give his players a 2nd chance? Even BYU lets their
players have a 2nd chance (depending on the violation.) Other schools look the
other way for all kinds of violations, some that are probably more severe than
what Watkins did, especially when it's a top scorer. I think it says a lot about
Coach K and his commitment to rebuilding this program. We don't know what the
circumstances were, so I don't think it's appropriate for us to speculate on
what "should have" happened.
It says something very positive about Utah's coach and his level of personal
integrity to follow the team rules, even when it effects his best player in the
worst way and no matter how badly it will hurt an already struggling team. Rules
are rules and exceptions shouldn't be made for any particular player. In the
long run, the team will be better off for having that type of team discipline.
My hat is off to the coach and his program, and I wish them well.
I would have had more respect for the coach had he stuck to his guns the first
time. Now that the season IS lost, he lets him go???