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Published: Wednesday, Jan. 18 2012 5:00 a.m. MST

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Blue
Salt Lake City, UT

Thank you for this article.

I especially appreciate Mr. Fehrman's comments regarding the fabrications of David Barton, the man who has become the poster child of the "Lying for Jesus" phenomenon currently afflicting our nation.

"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
-- Mohandas Gandhi

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

Great article.

bandersen
Saint George, UT

Jefferson had his doubts too, no God not being one of them. I often wonder after reading an article like this whether the the writer said anything of relevance or conviction. I see very little relevance and little conviction, except in a desire to say something-anything-for someone to read!

Brother Chuck Schroeder
A Tropical Paradise USA, FL

Here's what I want to know, if the Thomas Jefferson's private, personal Bible offers a case study in how politics and Christianity mix it up in America, in what Chapter would I find this in?. Mitt Romney should release his taxes to determine if he "actually" paid a 15 percent tax rate. His 15 percent flat tax plan should be renamed "the Mitt Romney Flat Tax." Then all Americans could pay the rate Romney paid. Oh gosh, oh my, oh dear, I forgot, that's what he pays each week for "God's Tithing Law", all other monies must then go in "off shore bank tax safe havens" in secret accounts. What does he have to hine anyway, if he's so honest?. You tell me. His wealth and taxes suddenly a campaign focus, Mitt Romney said Tuesday he pays an effective federal tax rate of about 15 percent. That's far less than if his earnings were wages rather than gains from investments and dividends.

I told you I would tell you the truths.

I didn't say you would like them.

My views.

Brother Chuck Schroeder
A Tropical Paradise USA, FL

Good Morning Utah.

Sit back, sip your coffee, relax, I'm going to tell you more of my truths here.

What is the Thomas Jefferson's private personal Bible anyway?.

"Imagine a World Without Free Knowledge"

For over a decade, we have spent millions of hours building the largest encyclopedia in human history. Right now, the U.S. Congress is considering legislation that could fatally damage the free and open Internet. For 24 hours, to raise awareness, we are blacking out Wikipedia. Thank's AlGore for inventing the internet, I say let's tax it to death then, that's one free market we did not touch yet, costing us well needed tax dollars.

So I guess I'll have to tell you. They say " That scrapbook didn't survive, other than a copy of its title page. What did survive is a second, more elaborate version Jefferson created once he retired. This one includes four columns of text (Greek, Latin, English, French) from the Gospels, and Jefferson had his bookbinder cover it in gold-tooled red leather". "The Jefferson Bible" ends with Jesus' entombment, and, given all the trouble caused by his published thoughts on religion.

There you have it, now, enjoy your breakfast.

bandersen
Saint George, UT

Bro Chuck: If you are against Capitalism (The greatest humanitarian system in the world), then just state it. Once you state that you are against it, then take everything that you have and give to the poor because it was capitalism that gave it to you. This is the truth. Didn't say you would like it. Go have breakfast.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

"It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." ~ Thomas Jefferson

Today, the facts about "The Jefferson Bible" might seem like an impossible obstacle to anyone who wants to fashion Jefferson as a hero for right-leaning Christians and America as a "Christian nation." ~ article

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I love how Conservatives twist the Founding Fathers around like pretzels to suit their agenda.

I've watched David Barton a time or 2 on Glenn Beck.
It's know wonder Conservatives can't keep history straight and hate Colleges and Universities.

That fact remains - Thomas Jefferson (and the other Founders) were Liberals.

bandersen
Saint George, UT

To equate Thomas Jefferson as being similar in thought or intent to anything representative of what passes for principled leadership today is an insult. Thomas Jefferson believed in inalienable rights (God-given), something that liberals have difficulty comprehended, let alone supporting. Ask most liberals what "inalienable rights" means and you will get a puzzled expression, followed by something along the lines of "It has different meanings for different people." Jefferson actually believed in the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, something few understand, much less believe. Words have meaning! He didn't say "We the government..." for good reason. It was individuals, instilled with conviction and personal responsibility, that he believed in, not government.

Brother Chuck Schroeder
A Tropical Paradise USA, FL

Re: bandersen - 10:41 a.m. Saint George, UT
Bro Chuck: If you are against Capitalism (The greatest humanitarian system in the world), then just state it.

Reply: I never said I was against capitalism, I just thanked AlGore for inventing the internet, then I said let's tax it to death, that's one free market we did not touch yet, costing us well needed tax dollars. If a Bank loans you money, you have to pay it back, NOW, if the same bank loans K Street, Wall Street money, GOP deregulations says it's ok, keep it, get filthy rich off of it, stuff it in off shore tax safe havens, don't use it to create jobs, we want Obama to fail, and they go along with the Koch Brother's wishes that feeds them, and they say you don't have to ever pay it back. That crashed America in 2008. This same GOP don't do nothing about the mega-trillion-dollar world of offshore banking and money laundering as well as the movers, shakers, con-men, and criminals who inhabit it. While GOP laws are "very elastically interpreted." In other words, they have loopholes in them larger then the moon.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

*'Religious lobbying is changing political focus' - By Mercedes White, Deseret News - 11/21/11

'Number of lobbies has grown from 40 to over 200...'

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

Seeing these climbers on Mt Rushmore I was certain they were making way for the new Obama face to be added. I think Obama set aside some $$$ from one of his many stimulus packages to pay for this important and worthy addition.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

We still need to keep the most divisive, subjective and personal belief system, religion, out of politics.

Hank Pym
SLC, UT

Kudos to the author & DN for spinning what the Jefferson Bible is. TJ eliminated all the supernatural parts i.e. the virgin birth and other superstitious/paranormal events.

Per bandersen @ 10:41 am on 1/18/12

Capitalism is a political/economic system NOT a humanitarian one.

bandersen
Saint George, UT

Bro. Chuck: What you are describing is not Capitalism, but corruption, spawned by big government. Both the democrats and the republicans stay in power by using big government to keep them in powerl. First, strangle the sewer known as Washington, then you won't find yourself haranging those who have benefitted from the corruption. Don't nibble around the edges; it's government that keeps the poor poor!

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

Bandersen, I'm a liberal and I know what inalienable rights are. They are rights that cannot be taken from you. The God that Jefferson spoke of was "Nature's God," the deists' Watchmaker God or first cause, not the Christian God.

Darrel
Eagle Mountain, UT

@Bandersen

"Ask most liberals what "inalienable rights" means and you will get a puzzled expression, followed by something along the lines of "It has different meanings for different people." Jefferson actually believed in the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence"

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I consider myself a Liberal, and I can tell you all about the Inalienable Rights. Whether you read the Declaration of Independance (life, liberty and pursuit of happiness) or John Locke (life, liberty and the right to own property), the point where Conservatives and Liberals often differ is how Government goes about to protect these rights.

I must question your history though. Jefferson was never at the Constitutional Convention (he was in France) and had he been, it probably would never have been written. He was a adamant Anti Federalist, even after the adoption of the Bill of Rights. He was Washington's first Secretary of State, and resigned when he saw Washignton side with Hamilton more often then himself.

Jefferson believed firmly in the Declaration of Independance, he wrote it.

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