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Published: Monday, Jan. 16 2012 11:56 p.m. MST

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KamUte
South Jordan, UT

Welcome to Utah. We love speed and players from Texas.

wwookie
Payson, UT

great news! keep up the great recruiting efforts.

Magna Ute Fan
Magna, UT

SHWEET! The Texas pipeline is still open! This recruiting class is shaping up to be really special. Welcome to Brian and Greg!

sports fan
Provo, UT

I love that the Utes recruit track runners, they should take a leaf out of their own book and reinstate man's track and field as a sport at the university. any football coach worth his weight knows the speed and conditioning training that track offers is well worth the time spent away from the team during spring drills.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Speed.

Enough said.

The future of football in Utah,

is utah(see former die hard byu fans turned Utes vainuku(didn't even take a campus visit to byu, chace hansen, zach lindsay, jake murphy.....)

How many die hard ute families have kids switching to BYU these days?

Big 12 call yet?

StGtoSLC
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Will be interesting to see how signing day shakes out with the major recruiting coup that was pulled yesterday. Cal's DL coach and notably one of the nation's top recruiters, Tosh Lupoi, accepted a position with the University of Washington, and already Cal recruits are rethinking their commitment status, with 5* DT Ellis McCarthy already decommitting and committing with UCLA. While I'm sure Greg Allen will be nice, it would be huge for us to pick up a commitment from one or more out of Brandon Beaver, Ray Ford and/or Alphonso Marsh.

DevilishUte
Tempe, AZ

I agree with StG to SLC. This is a nice recruiting haul, but I think we need to land another big recruit like Beaver or Vatuvei to call this class a resounding success.

TJ
Eagle Mountain, UT

The receiver looks like a solid recruit. The DB is fast but I can't find any information on him. No star rating and no ranking from Scout. Hopefully he is one of the "diamonds in the rough" that Whittingham seems to find occasionally.

oldcougar
Orem, UT

Nice job Utes. Looks like a fine recruiting class is shaping up for you guys.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

TJ:

The DB currently has zero stars as rated by both Rivals and Scout. I noticed that too. I find it interesting that both Whittingham AND Scalley made a PERSONAL home visit to grab a commitment for a zero-star recruit. Was it just because he runs a 4.3 forty? Or is he indeed a diamond in the rough?

Many apologists will say, just because he has zero stars, that doesn't make him a zero-star recruit, but rather that he just hasn't been rated yet. I say not so. If he hasn't been rated by now, I find it highly unlikely he'll be awarded anything more than 2. Still, seeing as how both coaches went through all that effort just to land him, I'm hopeful that he's better than the ratings services are reporting.

GO UTES!!!

TheHailstorm
South Weber, UT

@Naval Vet
It may be that Whiittingham and Scalley went along with that old practice and philosophy of taking, "the best athlete available. "
I'm sure they see some very positive qualities that others may have over looked.

StGtoSLC
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Naval Vet, I said it yesterday and I stick by it: "zero stars" really doesn't mean anything, regardless of whether it's a BYU recruit or Utah recruit. It's usually just because they didn't play enough in their sophomore and junior years and/or go to any notable summer recruiting camps. This usually does translate to a lesser rating because of the experience factor and generally the flat out good recruits have played and been recognized for a while, but it's not the end all, be all of recruiting. The fact that he made enough of an impression this year that Whit and Weis both wanted to have him is a pretty good sign, though.

Magna Ute Fan
Magna, UT

"Diamond in the rough," or just "under the radar?" Some kids seem to slide under the radar. Given the strength of this recruiting class, I don't think there is much room for diamonds in the rough this late in the process. Just my thought.

motorbike
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Greg Allen, who has yet to be rated with any stars) is one of those late developing players who didn't have a lot of eye-popping moments until his senior season.
However, that senior season earned him 5A district player of the year in TEXAS.
He has an offer from Kansas and was supposedly gaining recruiting momentum with Baylor, Nebraska, and Texas A&M.
He's built, and hits, like a safety but has excellent speed and will most likely play corner at Utah.
Perfect!
I won't be at all surprised if we all look back at this one and wonder why the big name schools weren't all over him.

CougFaninTX
Frisco, TX

I find it ironic that when athletes with no or low stars commit to the U, U describe them as diamonds in the rough. But when similar athletes commit to the Y, it's because we're Indy, or our schedule, or the honor code, or whatever else U want to decide to throw out there.

The truth is, Coaches are much better at evaluating talent than recruiting services. The list is endless of no or low star rated players who have made a major impact (Collie, Pitta, Hoffman) and 4 and 5 star players who are a bust. The Allen's must have something that Whit thought would benefit the team. Good luck.

Chris B - I've already responded with several names to the question you asked above. How many more times are you going to ask the same question, and how many times do I need to respond? The fact is we've both gotten some good recruits that the other team really wanted.

TheHailstorm
South Weber, UT

Here is one reporters take on Allen after a major camp...
" After eye-popping 40 (yard) times of 4.40 at the Texas camp and a 4.33 laser time by a training facility, the Alief Taylor coaches talked highly of defensive back Greg Allen. The 6-foot-1, 205-pound Allen is built like a safety, but moves and is being recruited to play corner back. Though he is still seeking his first offer, Allen is being recruited by Baylor, Kansas, Nebraska and Texas A&M."
Welcome Greg, it's good to be a Ute !

motorbike
Cottonwood Heights, UT

CougFaninTX -

I agree with you to some degree in regard to the flip-flopping that goes on between Utah and BYU fans on the topic of star ratings - yes I included BYU fans to your assessment. However, I'd add that every situation is different which makes room for a little flip-flopping.
Some schollys make absolutely no sense based on anything the general public understands.
Some, such as this Greg Allen kid, do make SOME sense based on info, stats and awards which suggest he could be a guy who came on late and/or was overlooked.
There are certainly times I've wondered what BYU or Utah coaches were thinking. But as you said, these decisions can often be looked back at as very sound, showing that the coaches know what they're doing.
Lastly, give credit where credit is due ... Naval Vet - U fan - gave an honest opinion yesterday about a BYU recruit with no stars (yet). It wasn't popular with Coug fans. Yet in this thread he holds true by saying he's not convinced this Utah recruit will be all that great. I respect that he held true to his opinion regardless of team.
Now Chris B's comment ...

MLH
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

What would a Utah article be if we didn't hear from that good old cougar in Texas. The recruiting, PAC-12 isn't it fun. I know they need to sign but the verbals we are getting, WOW.

DevilishUte
Tempe, AZ

Messing with Texas,

"I find it ironic that when athletes with no or low stars commit to the U, U describe them as diamonds in the rough. But when similar athletes commit to the Y, it's...."

You don't think BYU fans do the same thing? The argument might be different, but Y fans do the same thing. Thanks for pointing out the obvious.

"Chris B - I've already responded with several names to the question you asked above. How many more times are you going to ask the same question, and how many times do I need to respond?...."

It's painfully obvious that Chris B. is a BYU fan masquerading as a Utah fan. When will you figure it out? Most others did a long time ago. Why do you continue to give her your attention?

DevilishUte
Tempe, AZ

It's great that we're continuing to recruit in Texas and that we've found these kids. Without knowing much about the players, it's good to know that they're likely playing against good competition in Texas. It does not seem like these are top shelf guys, though - not being recruited heavily by many other teams, nothing extraordinary about them other than speed.

Let's hope they can play. This isn't an apples-to-apples comparison, but the Raiders DRAFT speed every year and it doesn't always make a difference on the field. We have to trust that the coaches have more information and can evaluate talent. I believe they can.

Like I said earlier, I still feel like we are a few good signings away from calling this recruiting class a great one. The good news is that there are still a lot of potential signings that could go Utah's way. Let's hope it does.

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