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Published: Saturday, Jan. 14 2012 8:12 p.m. MST

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NorCalCougar
MODESTO, CA

Illegal immigrants should be deported. If they are members of the church, they can help strengthen the church in their own country. We are taught that we should be the salt of the earth. That means working to make the country where you live a better place, not breaking immigration laws to enter the U.S. Honor, obey and sustain the law of the land, just as the article of faith states.

kargirl
Sacramento, CA

Raise your hands, how many of you would be here if the Native Americans had had immigration laws and your ancestors had to get papers, and permission, sponsors, and green cards, etc--or the equivalent---to be legal residents here before getting permission to become citizens in this country? And what language would you speak, do you think? Do you think you would even be who you are? Now, how many of the original citizens got murdered so your ancestors could live here without papers? Answers, anyone? Now who wants to get really upset about immigration?

anti-liar
Salt Lake City, UT

First, it is interesting how the Deseret News apparently doesn't want to give press ink to the NAME of the Arizona "Mormon state senator" and "President of the Senate."

His name happens to be RUSSELL PEARCE -- a good man who was unjustly ousted as a result of a dishonest propaganda campaign.

The Pew study, Charles Morgan, and this report, all effectively -- and falsely -- lump legal and illegal immigration into the same category, as though there is no legal nor moral difference between the two.

The subtle implication, therefore -- that "the more devout Mormons" endorse ILLEGAL immigration -- is patently FALSE.

Conduct a study that clearly differentiates between legal and illegal immigration. The results then will be very different.

And for the record: despite appearances, the Church statements in support of the Utah Compact do NOT constitute official Church policy, doctrine, nor posture. Only the First Presidency has the right to speak for the Church (Handbook 2, 21.1.29, D&C 107). Those statements of support carry neither the names nor the signatures of the First Presidency. In fact, they are nothing more than anonymous press releases issued by the Public Affairs Department -- which has no inherent Priesthood authority WHATSOEVER.

Brian Utley
Freedom, IN

Most criminal problems are generated by "economic problems." Either people choose to honor and sustain the law or they don't. Hypocrisy often results. Christ is reported to have been fairly critical of hypocrites...as I recall.

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

Mr. Bean,

Reference Jesus being in Egypt, please see Matthew 2:

13 And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.

14 When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt:

15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.

raybies
Layton, UT

The Book of Mormon contains distinct prophetic words regarding those who come to this land. Many LDS view the incursion of many natives from this continent into this country as a fulfillment of prophecy and that despite the difficulties, the best way to deal with it, is to lift, uplift, and greet our fellows from the House of Israel with love and tolerance.

Rick LT
GLENDALE, AZ

I think if you survey Mormons in border states, on the front-lines of the illegal immigration mess, you will find 75-80% feel they are a burden on us taxpayers. Here in AZ, they cost the hospital systems about $150M/year. Our prison system has 25% illegals. Would anyone say that's NOT a burden?

marcamus
goochland, va

In the end, I would rather be known as erring on the side of charity and compassion.

marcamus
goochland, va

The issue can be quite grey. Cubans enter illegally but the moment a foot touches our soil they can become legal. Many asylum seekers enter illegally, but are awarded legal status. Many come here legally, but lose their status. Some come here legally, form legal businesses employing US citizens and then USCIS determines they are not doing enough and tell them to go home, destroying the businesses and the US jobs. Some have legal work authorization for decades until a government worker gets around to looking at the case and then deciding that 20 years later an asylum case does not have enough merit and tells them to go home.

For some cases it is black and white, but it is difficult to tell. Spending precious resources to build higher and higher fences and trying to deport every person is not wise. Take away the welfare and job carrots instead and give businesses tax credits to implement e-verify.

anti-liar
Salt Lake City, UT

@marcamus

Endorsing and looking the other way at illegality in the name of charity and compassion actually is FALSE charity and compassion.

@raybies

Do you feel that the hijackers of the airliners that flew into the twin towers also were brought here by the hand of God? The notion that the illegal invasion of America constitutes some sort of divine providence is false doctrine.

@MormonDem

If you are referring to the Church statements in support of the Utah Compact, actually the "Brethren" have NOT spoken, inasmuch as those statements do not bear the signature or imprint of the First Presidency.

@milojthatch

You are rationalizing that U.S. immigration law is unfair when it is not and also that two wrongs make a right.

@The Rock

The oft-heard call that we must treat illegal aliens "humanely" is specious and deceptive, for humane treatment of illegals is not actually at issue. They are not treated inhumanely. What many are doing is FALSELY implying that enforcing the law is inhumane, when it is not.

@John Pack Lambert of Michigan

The implication that 30 million illegals have come here fleeing rape, bombs, murder, and starvation, is a bunch of MALARKEY.

kargirl
Sacramento, CA

Love how so many people know everybody and what is in their hearts, what they think and feel. As an illustration: those who post what undocumented people in this country feel and think, and why they are here, what they do, how they live, what their motives are. I must not be exaggerating, since it appears to be so in sentences that tell us what "they" are and do, and what is the result of their presence here. Of course, these people also know all of the "legal" residents, as they have told us the same things about them and the results of their presence here. Now, if I am not right, let's have them tell us they made a mistake and don't know these things about these or any other groups and would like to apologize for implying otherwise. Then we can have an adult conversation, which, in the light of the one that has been going on in the last few years, would be a breath of fresh air.

justinbloom
MOLALLA, OR

Conservatives don't have a problem with immigration. The problem is with illegal immigration. It is insulting that this distinction was not made.

Illegal immigration causes a number of problems, especially when the illegal still considers themselves a citizen of the country they came from and is unwilling to assimilate and show allegiance to America. There are high levels of crime, including identity theft, and this can be difficult to track with people who do not have proper identification. Illegal immigrants, who usually do not contribute taxes, can be a drain on the system. In fact, one of Mexico's biggest sources of income is money sent home from people who are here illegally. This was even encouraged by Vicente Fox, and I don't doubt is still encouraged by the current president.

Immigration can be wonderful when people want to come here to assimilate and live the American dream. I do not mean that they forget where they came from, but when they come here they are first and foremost Americans. There is a reason we have an immigration process.

marcamus
goochland, va

Went into a Spanish store yesterday to buy some Mexican bread and some made to order food to take home and they had the nerve to assign a worker to me who spoke the best English. The nerve of them to try and make me feel welcome in my native language :) Though I am fluent in Spanish, they did not know that.

AmericanPride
Phoenix, Arizona

It's really very simple... people who don't respect our laws and borders don't respect our country and people. Those people don't belong in our country. Our immigration process is not 'broken' and needs no 'reform'. What is broken is our ENFORCEMENT of the immigration laws. If it were broken we wouldn't have ONE MILLION + legal immigrants entering our country EACH YEAR! (That's more than all other countries combined!) If we made the process any easier we would soon be so over populated that our situation now with unemployment, homelessness, poverty, lack of medical care, hunger, etc. would be a fond memory of better days. It is common sense, people! We do not have an expandable country or expandable resources! We must put a stop to illegal immigration and get rid of those who have ignored our laws and borders. It is not inhumane to enforce our laws on those who break them. They knew the risk for themselves and their children and took it anyway. That's on them, not us.

AmericanPride
Phoenix, Arizona

@ kargirl You posted, "Raise your hands, how many of you would be here if the Native Americans had had immigration laws and your ancestors had to get papers, and permission, sponsors, and green cards, etc--or the equivalent---to be legal residents here before getting permission to become citizens in this country? And what language would you speak, do you think? Do you think you would even be who you are? Now, how many of the original citizens got murdered so your ancestors could live here without papers? Answers, anyone? Now who wants to get really upset about immigration?"

Had the Native Americans established immigration laws/a process AND ENFORCED THEM they may not have lost their country. Instead, they made the big mistake of helping the INVADERS survive the first winter. I choose to learn from their mistakes and not follow in their footsteps. I prefer to keep my country for my children and their children's children.

sportsfan21
OREM, UT

American Pride says "It's really very simple... people who don't respect our laws and borders don't respect our country and people. Those people don't belong in our country."

So any criminal should be kicked out of the US? How about those that commit misdemeanors? And where will we send them?

You are only arguing the point which suits you best. What makes an American? I'm pretty sure the only reason I am (since I haven't served in the military) is because someone let my ancestors in. So unless you're a soldier, you've actually done nothing to merit citizenship.

And since you believe the US was justified in taking land and rights from Native Americans because they weren't powerful enough to enforce immigration laws, aren't Mexicans just as justified in ignoring laws that we don't enforce?

By your logic, every illegal who is already here should be allowed to stay because we didn't "establish immigration laws and enforce them."

You're selfish to keep "your" country for your children while hating others for wanting to gain freedom for their children.

AmericanPride
Phoenix, Arizona

@ sportsfan21 How very sad that you think that "unless you're a soldier, you've actually done nothing to merit citizenship". If you really believe that you definately don't have a clue as to "what makes an American" and who built America. First, of course is birthright and it is the reason why we must put up with SOME criminals. We do however incarcerate them whenever we can to keep them out of our general population and unable to harm good citizens. Do you really think that we should have to take in the dregs of other societies??? Don't you feel that we have enough of our own and pay a high enough price for them?

And where exactly did I say that "the US was justified in taking land and rights away from Native Americans...". What I said was that if they had established immigration laws and ENFORCED them they may not have lost their country. Obviously by that statement I believe they would have been powerful enough to enforce them. They just weren't smart enough to have them and were even less smart to help the invaders survive. We were smart enough to have laws and should deport invaders.

Rod H
SPANISH FORK, UT

The biased slant of this article was obvious. Seeing illegal immigrants as equals, less than equal or our level of love for them has nothing to do with the reasons many people oppose more open borders. The article seems to equate less education, less commitment to church and less love for their fellow men as being the group against illegal immigration and I think this comparison is misleading at best.

Many people fail to recognize the Church position is much broader than suggested approval of legislation brought forth in the Utah Legislature. I'd actually like to see better immigration laws in place with transitions to become a citizen shorter. I also believe families who have lived in the US for extended periods specially those with kids that have never lived out of the country should be given an exception.

There are many other elements effecting legal and illegal immigration with many more facets than many are willing to talk about including, political corruption, social safety nets, Drug cartel involvement in human trafficking and their presence in the US. There are many more reasons besides these.

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