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Published: Saturday, Jan. 14 2012 8:12 p.m. MST

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RichardB
Murray, UT

I would like to see an honest poll, that divides legal and illegal. Combining the two discredits the question.

JKayDS
EULESS, TX

I think that this question is a very DISHONORABLE one!
I cannot imagine ANY practicing LDS having a problem with an immigrant.
Now, an ILLEGAL ALIEN is a whole different story!

welcomethemall
Nampa, ID

I'm pretty sure no one was confused by the question. Everybody knows what you are talking about when asked about their position on immigration.

Even the trolls living under rocks.

MormonDem
Provo, UT

RichardB: are you suggesting that Mormons were confused by the question but evangelicals were not?

Sorry, but the Church's position on immigration is clear. I'm just disappointed that 41% of Mormons haven't yet taken the Brethren's counsel on the issue to heart.

RichardB
Murray, UT

The use of the word immigration for legal and illegal immigration is deceptive, and it is meant to elicit a specific response. Most are for legal immigration, but against illegal immigration. So combining the two does not give a clear picture. It's dishonest and deceptive.

@MormonDem, I never said a word about evangelicals. Perhaps an explanation is in order?

The churches position is clear, immigrate legally and countries have the right to enforce immigration laws. If the question was about just illegal immigration, how high do you think the percentage would be.

t702
Las Vegas, NV

RichardB is exactly right. The issue is illegal vs legal immigrants. This article is advancing a liberal view point. Go ahead and sugarcoat it anyway you want, but illegal is illegal - Article of Faith#12: "We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law" - how can you be any more black and white than that?

Phill
Provo, UT

GooD!.. RichardB, the immigration system in this country it's broken, corrupt. Doesn't work, ineffective. It;s so bad that it encourages illegal immigration. The Church has been clear on it's stance with immigration, neutral, but while neutral, it has reached out support to the illegal immigrants, embracing them you may say. General Authority's have spoken openly for humane laws tours them. Illegal Immigrants can go on mission, attend temples and serve in the church. The Church embraces them a bit different then the tone of opinion that you have about them, but hey everyone is free to have an opinion. I guess that they can be viewed differently under the scope of the gospel rather than the political scope.

1conservative
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

Since illegal immigration is against the law, I,for one would have assumed someone asking my opinion regarding immigration would have been referring to LEGAL immigration.

Unfortunately, there are so many institutionalized advocates for ILLEGAL immigration I can no longer assume those doing the survey aren't being deceptive in their survey.

Surveys can (and are)being manipulated to produce outcomes that those paying for the surveys desire.

The survey SHOULD HAVE asked Mormons if they respect the law. THEN (and only then)would the survey reflect reality.

Terrie Bittner
Warminster, PA

Herrod said we need to get back to core values where you learn the language and blend in. Anyone who studies history or looks at the census records while doing family history knows that was never a core value or practice in our nation. Immigrants lived in a community with others from their homeland and had no need to learn the language or blend in. Their children went to school and learned to do all that, so second generation immigrants were the ones blending and speaking English. Today's immigrants are more likely to do that then past immigrants. Having taught ESL at the LDS church, I can tell you they work very hard, but it takes a very long time to become fluent, especially given the difference between textbook English and ordinary English. Most of my students took English in school in their homelands and thought they knew English until they got here and tried to speak it to actual Americans with poor grammar and careless pronounciation.

SLars
Provo, UT

Mixing the two different groups is a form of suppression used by the National media. Until we start talking about the illegal aspect of immigration, and doing polls on illegal immigration, there cannot be honest discussion.

The rhetoric used by those that support illegal immigration, such as using the word "undocumented" only confuses the issue and stops us from focusing on the real names and issues.

Where's Stockton ???
Bowling Green, OH

@MormonDem
I also am a Mormon Democrat...but let's get realistic here shall we. We all know that illegal immigrants are only now somewhat vaguely id'd...but definitely need to be further broken down into groups classifying them further based on demographics of why they are coming in such great numbers in the first place. Yes all are coming for better economic opportunities and even freedom. But here is the realistic point that sorely begs to be addressed. Among those groupings there has to be regognized that despite wanting to give the benefit of the doubt to almost everyone...we simply can't...because hidden among even a majority of basically good people there happens to be a large criminal element that are here only to feed off of numerous societal vices...Drugs, alcohol and tobacco as well as numerous other pirating and contriband smuggling and trafficing opporations that support pornography, prostitution, slavery... to include child labor, and child sex. There's also a huge volume of illegal weapons smuggling as well...as is obviously being seen by the huge increase of killings now being seen on both sides of our southern borders. We have to drastically address these issues...period.

tenx
Santa Clara, UT

@Richard B. You are spot on. I agree completely.

Brave Sir Robin
San Diego, CA

I'm pretty sure that if you rephrased the question, most Mormons would support legal immigration and shun illegal immigration.

The way this question is asked is like asking "do you like drugs?" Well, yeah, I think Tylenol and chemo are wonderful inventions. But I don't feel the same about cocaine and heroin.

mecr
Bountiful, UT

Problem is people see an immigrant and automatically they think that person is illegal. How many times I have seen cashiers accepting credit cards from white people but as soon as a latino shows up, that person is asked for identification. How many times I have heard latinos trying to speak english at public offices just to be immediately asked if they want a translator or a spanish speaking representative. How are they going to learn if we don't let them use their english skills just for the sake of saving us the effort of trying to understand them? And how many times I have seen the discrimination in our own wards when we don't integrate the latino families and they feel they are not accepted. That's what's the brethren talked about when they said treat them like your equals.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@RichardB
"The churches position is clear, immigrate legally and countries have the right to enforce immigration laws"

Immigrate illegally and the church doesn't mind.

danaslc
Kearns, UT

This article is deceptive once again. Mormons favor Legal Immigration. At least the Mormons I know. The Mormons I know do not favor illegal immigration and they are also feeling the pains of being a Sanctuary state and loss of jobs for their families, the high crime and high taxes.

Jonathan Eddy
Payson, UT

Thank goodness that God doesn't think that 100% of humanity is NOT a burden to Him.

watchman
Salt Lake City, UT

RichardB is correct. A poll such as this asking questions about 'immigration' really doesn't tell us much because some people will interpret it as 'illegal immigration' and some more literally as all immigration.

It is my opinion that most people support legal immigration so what have we really learned from such a poll?

ubig
PAYSON, UT

The cost of harboring illegal immigrants in the United States is a staggering $113 billion a year -- an average of $1,117 for every ânative-headedâ household in America -- according to a study conducted by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR).

I agree with the comments made about legal vs illegal. I fully support legal immigration and the right to work for immigrants who follow the laws of the land. The Federal Government and our elected officials continue to fail us on protecting our borders against "ILLEGALS". Utah government has offered suggestions and get hammered. Why do we allow government to sue government - who wins? All parties need to come to a quick and ethical solution.

NeilT
Clearfield, UT

Same old worn out rhetoric on immigration. I am referring to the comments on here not the aricle. Why is it that so few are concerned about the real issue, which is the poverty, violence, and government corruption in Mexico and other central american countries. My wife is an immigrant and she has an incredible work ethic. Immigrants are not a burden. They are human beings just like us. Illegal immigration will stop when Mexico's economy provides jobs for it's citizens. All the harsh laws will never stop illegal immigration because it is an economic not a criminal problem.

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