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Published: Sunday, Jan. 15 2012 7:00 p.m. MST

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Mormoncowboy
Provo, Ut

Bill (Regarding the Shadow a Seminary Teacher Cast):

Not so fast Bill. I never said that I won't accept a pro-LDS answer - I just won't accept your refusal to answer as a good answer to the question. So far you have completely evaded it, instead directing (again) your criticisms not at my argument, but at me! Re-read my question if you wish to comment, and respond to my points.

snowman
Provo, UT

Just so people know, Polygamy today is not what it was back in the time of Joseph Smith. Yes Joseph had a lot of wives but There were no children other than those he had with Emma. If you would look at a list of his wives you would know that at least 10 of them were had themselves sealed to him after he died.

Gemimi
BAKERSFIELD, CA

I don't see any LDS comments here that are objective on this subject. Maybe it's me, but when 68% of a group feel a past practice is immoral today, you have to ask 'Why the paradigm shift?'

Then you have to ask why the group still has all the former instructions and caveats present in its "by-laws, i.e., D&C 132. It is fairly incomprehensible to Biblical believers on all levels, to believe that any order of heaven would be considered immoral on earth.

But that is the conundrum of this issue from its first introduction to Christian America. Mormons may not like the comparison, but it distanced Biblical believers on the same level as Muslims entering their communities. They were engaged in a lifestyle that was explicitly condemned in the text, yet they cited patriarchs and kings who practiced it, as if everything a Biblical king or patriarch did was okay because God blessed them on another level.

No Biblical prophets practiced plural marriage, and the New Testament settled the issue for adherents to Biblical truth. No amount of debate or scripture-twisting will change that. And now you view Fundamentalists like America viewed you.

Mormoncowboy
Provo, Ut

Snowman:

I agree that it is interesting that Joseph Smith has no known children on record from his polygamous marriages. Though Fanny Alger was not really a wife of Joseph Smiths, there is some account that he may have fathered a child with her, but we can't say with any certainty.

All of this notwithstanding, your comment ignores the broader landscape of polygamy where most of the early "brethren" had many children with many women.

Kevin J. Kirkham
Salt Lake City, UT

Bill in Nebraska
Kevin: The same suggestion goes to you as I gave to Brahmabull and LDS4: Read Chapter 10 of the Gospel Principles book

Since, we belive in continued revelation, continued modern scripture then it stands to reason that it is continued via the talks as I mentioned.

KJK: Sorry, but the procedure regarding revelqation is as follows - The only one authorized to bring forth any new doctrine is the President of the Church, who, when he does, will declare it as revelation from God, and it will be so accepted by the Council of the Twelve and sustained by the body of the Church. And if any man speak a doctrine which contradicts what is in the standard Church works, you may know by that same token that it is false and you are not bound to accept it as truth. (Teachings of Harold B. Lee)

Sections 137 & 138 were revelations and they needed to be sustained via Common Consent. The Manifesto and Priesthood revelation were presented in Conference and yet they too had to be sustained via Common Consent.

The Gospel Principles book isn't a Standard Work.

snowman
Provo, UT

Are you people aware of the fact that the Journals of Discourses are not doctrine and not used for teaching purposes.

Kevin J. Kirkham
Salt Lake City, UT

Gemimi
No Biblical prophets practiced plural marriage, and the New Testament settled the issue for adherents to Biblical truth. No amount of debate or scripture-twisting will change that. And now you view Fundamentalists like America viewed you.

KJK
As stated earlier, God, not David, gave David those wives in 2Sam. 12:7-12. David didn't multiply wives unto himself. God wanted David to have them and gave them to him and said that if they weren't enough, He (GOD) would have given him more. God then gave the women to another INDIVIDUAL man thus allowing (commanding?) that INDIVIDUAL man to be polygamous and to lie with them in the sight of the sun.

We also know that Paul's command that bishops and elders have only one wife shows that polygamy was at least tolerated in the early Church otherwise such a restriction would not have been given.

To say that polygamy is definitionally sinful is clearly unbiblical.

I'd have NO problem with the Fundamentalists if they quit marrying underage girls. If consenting adults want to do it, they should be able to. 1 Cor. 10:29 condemns using subjective morals to justify infringing upon others' rights.

HotGlobe
SAN RAFAEL, CA

The poll and this article are not very nuanced. Polygamy is an eternal principle that is currently disallowed. Thus people who say breaking the current regulations is morally wrong today may actually have a more complex belief about polygamy in the abstract. Fortunately the comments here provide a better understanding than the article.

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