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Published: Sunday, Jan. 15 2012 7:00 p.m. MST

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Riverton Cougar
Riverton, UT

It's a very tricky question. After all, we know that killing is immoral, right? Yet in the Old Testament, the Lord told the king through the prophets to leave nothing living, not even the animals, when they conquered some lands.

The bottom line is that when the Lord commands, you do it.

J-TX
Allen, TX

Dennis: "a majority of the current membership doesn't have any idea that the Church practiced polygamy. I've met members that sincerely believe that Brigham Youngs polygamous activity is simply an anti-mormon propaganda."

Just because you have met members that believe that does not make it a majority. In a missionary church you will always find members who do not know the Church's history. Heck, my Dad is 5th gen LDS and does not know that there were black priesthood holders in the early Church.

Before you spout off a comment about "a majority", why don't you poll 1019 people, instead of pulling factoids out of.....

christoph
Brigham City, UT

25 percent of LDS think divorce is morally wrong---that number should haunt church leaders-----yes we all have a right to divorce---and nobody can control a spouse's actions, yet I think it was Pres. Kimball that said home breaking is a sin (in one of his few books). Because divorce is common and easy and everywhere---it is rare today to hear words like Pres. Kimball's.

scotchipman
Lehi, UT

Michael Quinn was a respected LDS historian who was allowed access to the church's private records which he used to accurately document the many post-manifesto polygamous marriages that occurred after 1890.

Even today the church still allows men to be sealed to more than one women in temples as long as the second, third, .... are deceased.

zeba
North Ogden, UT

The title is interesting in that everyone is lumped together. And by the same token that same view was shared by some early church leaders on polygamy... And some of us know more than the white washed version on how that worked out in Nauvoo. So ironic to see how Jeffs is perceived in modern day.

JoeBlow
Miami Area, Fl

There are many of you who accept the early LDS church's practice of polygamy based on your belief in your prophet. There are many other examples also.

I commend you for your discipline in that regard.

Personally, I could not or would not put that much faith in a human being that I would follow their teachings to that level.

I would never make a good LDS member.

christoph
Brigham City, UT

To Mr. Bass in Lovely Bountiful: there is no DNA evidence that Joseph Smith had any children with any woman except Emma. I think Joseph and Emma have like 2,000 descendants today so there is ample DNA with them. He had more than one wife, but we will never know the details. The prophet had so many building projects going on in Nauvoo as well as looking over his shoulder all the time for continual threats from Missouri, that he was too busy for one wife and 7 children. If the prophet commited major sin, he will pay for it the same as all the rest of us.

John Pack Lambert of Michigan
Ypsilanti, MI

This result should squelch the attacks on the Church for secretly harboring polygamists. Of course the 1943 raids on Short Creek that were orchestrated by people who were in part going after the FLDS for not following the prophet of God should have squelched such attacks. The swift excommunication of people in the French mission in the late 1950s who were advocating polygamy should have squelched the attacks.

However, no lie is so weak it will die with one hit. So I do not expect this to have much of a change. I have decided I like Letterman even less, and that is hard.

John Pack Lambert of Michigan
Ypsilanti, MI

I think people should read Valerie Hudson's reflections on the subject. I think anyone who realiztically reads the scriptures will accept she has at least a possible interpretation.

Polygamy is clearly only acceptable when God endorses it. For men to claim it as their own right leads to abuse.

Eugene England made the insightful observation that many more boys than girls die before age 8, so it appears there may be more men than women in the Celestial Kingdom. This is an issue that is worth thinking about, not that it has any relevance to polygamy now.

I suspect this number would be even higher if what was described was the polyamory advocated as the next step by some of the anti-8 types.

John Pack Lambert of Michigan
Ypsilanti, MI

God commands many things at one time that are forbidden at others. Drinking wine is part of LDS scripture, but we believe in following the commandments of a living prophet. We see that in our modern society of people driving cars drinking wine is a morally wrong thing.

VocalLocal
Salt Lake, UT

It's interesting that Church members find polygamy morally objectionable when even current practice allows for marriages to be performed that would result, according to their belief, in a polygamous marriage after death. A man sealed to his wife who then dies can be sealed to a new wife and both marriages are considered valid in the next life according to Mormon theology.

John Pack Lambert of Michigan
Ypsilanti, MI

Getting married in the temple to a second spouse after your first spouse dies is not Polygamy. The claim that it is in some way polygamy is just downright stupidity.

Polygamy is maintaining sexual relations with multiple people you treat equally as wives who are both living. That is the defintion. That is what people think of when you invoke the word. To carry on the debates of accusing Mormons of polygamy using any other definition is just plain deceitful.

The Church will excommunicate for polygamy faster than anything else. Baptizing people who have once been connected with polygamy, even if it was just the person's mother who had a connection that ended the before the person was born, will often require them to have an interview with an apostle first. The leaders of the Church treat this subject very seriously, and it is a very serious opposition.

Mayfair
City, Ut

Utes Fan: "No doctrine exists that says the members of the Church will be required to live polygamy in the Millenium or before - that is just pure speculation."

That was worth stating here again.

A voice of Reason
Salt Lake City, UT

JoeBlow,

You never know, you could actually find things more rational in the LDS Church someday than you now realize.

For instance, there is a different in placing faith in a human being and in God. I've never met President Monson. My faith isn't built by him speaking and my just blindly following it. Faith isn't even blind for that matter. Faith is seeing that there is evidence of things unseen and the pursuit of the unknown. I know there is more than myself and I desire to know it. The more I acknowledge possibility, the more I realize that many of my previous ideas have been very incomplete. With that, I am always trying to be more willing to listen and look for what is right. Because of this, I don't blindly follow another man just because I call him a prophet. I have learned over time and through experience, that there are those I can trust to guide me. I learned a long time ago that I could trust my father to help me. A prophet is really no different. I trust God and this work. President Monson simply serves the same purpose I place faith in.

scotchipman
Lehi, UT

@John Pack Lambert, Knowing is saying that the church currently openly practices polygamy but it continues to teach that it will be part of the afterlife which is why they allow men to be sealed to more than one wife in the temples.

Brahmabull
sandy, ut

Mike in Cedar City - So president Hinckley was wrong when he stated as the prophet, seer, and revelator of the church that polygamy is "not doctrinal"?? Or was he lying? It is either one of the two. You can't have it both ways. If he was wrong, then I suppose you are more of an authority than president Hinckley was to clarify doctrines on behalf of the church? Now that is interesting.

Dob
St. George, UT

Between consenting ADULTS I don't see the problem with it. The way it is practiced by the FDLS is a huge problem and morally wrong.

wkb1005
Pleasant Grove, UT

"The survey asked Mormons if homosexuality should be accepted by society or discouraged by society, with an option for neither, both or "don't know." The response 26 percent said homosexuality should be accepted, 65 percent said it should be discouraged puts Mormons as the least likely to say homosexuality should be accepted by society. But a 26 percent acceptance rate, with roughly 1 in 4 Mormons saying homosexuality should be accepted, might be surprisingly high to some."

This survey question is confusing to a Mormon. Mormons are taught to be tolerant of other peoples beliefs and behaviors: love the sinner, despise the sin. The word "accepted" could be understood by a Mormon as a synonym for "tolerated",in which case, the answer would likely answered in the affirmative. If the interpretation for "accepted" were to be "viewed as normal behavior" or "acceptable to God", the answer would more likely be negative. I believe that "1 in 4" might be surprising due to the ambiguity of the survey language.

LDSareChristians
Anchorage, AK

scotchipman,

I shall make it clear, LDS do not practice polygamy. I am married to one wife and haven't had relations with anyone else on this planet. It wouldn't matter how many woman I were sealed to, the fact still remains, I am married to one person.

Oh, one can also practice polygamy without being married. There are many men out there who bed a different woman each night, lacking a legal document between parties doesn't make it any less a case for Polygamy. I also like Rush Limbaugh's view of serial polygamy, He has a great point.

The government doesn't care what happens after this life. They don't believe in it.
You can only go to jail for practicing Polygamy here and now. What I may imagine for the future is irrelevant to the Government.

Personally, I believe in the principal of Polygamy, but not in the practice thereof.

The Church's Proclamation to cease the practice of Polygamy in 1890, didn't nullify the basis of the doctrine itself.

So, again, the LDS does/has not practiced polygamy since 1890.

Rapunzelthebrave
HELOTES, TX

I want to clarify somethings:

Being sealed to more than one spouse is not a prerequisite for the highest degree of the Celestial kingdom. There is no logical nor rational basis for this belief. If you live for eternity you have eternity to create spirits. One eternal wife can produce as many as 1,000 in that scenario.

The Book of Mormon makes it very, very clear that polygamy is abhorrent in the site of God unless for very specific, very rare reasons He commands it to be practiced by a select few for a limited amount of time.

Brigham Young once owned a distillery (in fact, many early members openly drank alcohol as did our prophets of old and Christ Himself). At one point in time black men were not allowed to hold the priesthood. Those things changed - drastically. Polygamy did as well. Who is to say that in a few years it won't be entirely permissible and reasonable for a widowed woman previously sealed in the temple to her deceased husband to be sealed to a new, living husband in the temple again?

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