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Published: Friday, Jan. 13 2012 12:00 a.m. MST

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liberal larry
salt lake City, utah

I see the DNews editorial board is getting its economic world view from another right wing think tank, the Heritage Foundation. This group was founded by the wealthy beer magnate Adolph Coors as a reaction against the perceived liberalism of that famous lefty Richard Nixon.

Isn't it just a little ridiculous to glean economic policy for the United States from small island off the coast of Africa with a population of 1.3 million people, and a GDP of less than 20 billion dollars? Wasn't it just a couple of years ago that Ireland was being held up by conservatives as an "economic miracle"?

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

What a distorted editorial. Ranking ahead of the U.S. are Australia, Switzerland, and Canada, all countries that are more "socialized" than we are, with a higher percentage of GDP going to government. One step behind us is Denmark, the country with the highest share of GDP going to government of any developed nation.

Number one and two on the list are Hong Kong and Singapore, which could more accurately be called city-states rather than countries. And yes, Singapore does have a very authoritarian government that no supposed libertarian would ever seek to emulate.

Esquire
Springville, UT

There is another side to economic freedom. When business is given unfettered rights and regulations are removed, they become more powerful and take away my rights as a consumer, employee and citizen. Choices are lost as companies conspire and engage in antitrust activities. Scams are devised to wrongfully take away my money. Actions are taken that make my environment unhealthy and destroy my quality of life. I can go on and on, but economic freedom is not just about one side of the equation.

marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

Typical Deseret News hogwash. In the United States workers have faced stagnant real wages for 40 years and have had to incure debt to maintain any standard of living whatsoever. THAT has enslaved the vast bulk of Americans. We're getting your number and many of us find your far right ideology obnoxious.

sergio
Phoenix, AZ

The United States is a waring nation with a predominate militay force and budget, its economic platform is not comparable with others because it has no equal. Pehaps it can be compared to England and Spain during the heyday of their imperialism. But a major difference is that there is not so much easy loot to gain today to pay for imperialistc ventures so American citizen have to pay out of their own pockets with taxes.

Conservative
Cedar City, UT

This tiny "country" is smaller than Salt lake County. It has no military, no substantive industrial output and depends mostly on sugar cane and tourism.

This editorial is nonsense. You picked a tiny pseudo-country with virtually no history (establisheed 1968) to compare with superpowers that engage the world is every aspect (US, China, India, Russia, Europe).

DN, you can do better. Be open minded and fair!

Gildas
LOGAN, UT

There is a lot of denial going on here.

I take the point about Hong Kong having no military as I suppose it hasn't and is unlikely to be allowed one by its communist overlord. Still Hong Kong has done well and has some special rights above mainland China. It also has an LDS Temple.

The USA does not require a constantly warring military or imperial status.

Ireland, which Larry mentions, has been in the Top Ten for economic freedom since 2000, typically in third and fourth positions.

The United States was number five in 2008 has been rated from fifth to eighth from 1996, and was number four (right behind the UK) in its first year, 1995. The UK, which was also in the top ten until recently, has now dropped to 14th place.

"Socialist Europe" (which is more, I think, "Welfare Socialist" like the USA, with retirement insurance, unemployment insurance and the like, but (I believe) without much if any nationalised industry except for health care) does quite well in economic freedom terms these days, with nine of its nations presently in the Heritage top twenty.

Much of our perception of the world is based on ignorance.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'We point this out to contrast it with the United States, which supposedly is a beacon for freedom but which continues to slide on the same economic index, which was released this week. Mauritius now ranks ahead of the United States in terms of economic freedom.' - Aritcle

You know what I hear when I hear 'economic freedom?'

Financial Meltdown
Housing bubble burst
and worst financial decline since the Great Depression.

AIG, Enron, and Godlman Sach's should be evidence enough that America needs MORE regulation. To avoid Americans loosing their retirement, 401k and savings to corporate greed.

Greed that runs RAMPAT, without any regulation to control them.

And yet, this article cites a country smaller than SLC, as a comparison to the United States.

A country, in which, allows the Deseret News the RELIGIOUS freedom, to publish it's own paper, as they are owned, by the LDS church.

There is more to life, than economic freedom.

And corporations, with their CEO's making RECORD profits, golden parachutes and jobs outsourced to India...

are NOT an example we should try to emulate.

Poor article.

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

It's touted Market Freedom also makes Mauritius the center of white slavery, dope trafficking, and every other nasty "business" under the Indian Ocean sun.

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

To Gildas: Yes Ireland has ranked very high on this survey for the last several years. Up until a few years ago Ireland was touted by the conservative press as an example for other countries to follow. Yet they are now an economic basket case, while countries like Denmark, Norway, and Sweden, which supposedly do everything wrong, are enjoying some of the best economies in the world.

CottageCheese
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

All you big business haters out there...

Put DOWN your smartphone

Stop shopping at Wal-Mart

Take off your Nike's

Turn off your electicity and gas

Park your car

Drop your Big Mac

Unplug your computer screen

Ricotta
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

I hate businesses because they can make things more efficiently and inexpensively than I can make it myself.

Mike in Cedar City
Cedar City, Utah

Dear DN. There you go again. Find a convenient straw man and set it afire.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

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Hutterite
American Fork, UT

Ya don't suppose the 'heritage foundation' has some sort of agenda, do ya?

Meckofahess
Salt Lake City, UT

The author of this article is correct in saying that the next election will be very important. It will be very important to keep President Obama in office to look out for the health and well being of the citizenry. Big business certainly will NOT look out for our well being, that is for sure!

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

@ Mecklfahess. You are incorrect! The vast majority of large businesses offer their employees health insurance.

bandersen
Saint George, UT

Ghandi once critized his followers by saying that when the wage earner says "no" to the wage payer (capitalist), then wages will rise! Free markets are not good for victims. For those who want cheap and inexpensive products and services without paying for them, take a look in the mirror and quit complaining about the greatest engine of economic growth the world has ever seen! Problems are created when so called victims of government and business abuse see themselves as helpless and look for politicians to save them from their irresponsible entitled ways. the result is not free markets, but a psuedo free market, managed by Democrats and Republicans, that has led to our current mess. Politicians as a whole are patronizing, vain, and corrupt. There is a way out; it starts by looking in the mirror!

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