So. Cal Reader, I know what you mean about the behavior of SDSU fans regarding
anything BYU. I lived there for most of the past 30 years and have always been
amazed at the manifested inferiority complex of SDSU fans regarding anything
BYU. Unfortunately that also applies to fans of other institutions as well.
Y Grad,Did I say that Colorado was ever a decent opponent? I
actually think they are terrible, and the fact that the UTES lost that game just
goes to show that they were not ready, and thought they could just win. It was
at home, they were on a 4 game win streak, and they thought they had it in the
bag. Well, they didnt. Colorada was terrible, just like UNLV was in 2007.
Hopefully the UTES will make the same run of wins the next 3 plus years the same
way they did after that loss. I doubt they will since their schedule will be a
lot tougher, but I know for a fact my credentials and judgement are more
enhanced and superior to yours. I appreciate your opinion though.
Y Grad, 3 inches is 3 inches, and it was blocked, and the UTES won
the game. I am truly sorry that a UTE fan, (if it really happened, did get beer
on you) there is really no place for that at all in this rivalry. There are
classless fans on both sides of the rivalry. I know how it feels to feel
dejected after you leave your own stadium, or that of your rival. I was there in
98 with the doink, 2000 Lavels last game and Domans miracle, and 2006 with the
Beck to Harline. My comment only speaks for itself with how I am confident that
the UTES will beat the Cougs this year in RES, it is far from classless, other
than saying something about the mythical beer. Like I said before, I am truly
sorry if some fan said, or did something to you as you left the stadium. That
same game 2 Y fans tried to beat up a father and a son (who was probably 16 or
so) because the son said something to the Y's band about losing. We had to break
it up. There are classless fans on both sides.
"came within 3 inches of you being the one that left all dejected"And yet it was you that left dejected. One can only imagine
how disappointed you were this year. I am guessing you turned this year's game
off in the 3rd quarter like the rest of the "fans." If you stayed
tuned in, you got to see Sunshine get lit up, fumble the ball, and then chase VJ
Fehoko as he raced towards the endzone.
Oh, and Colorado was a decent opponent? Sorry, friend, I'm not impressed with
your credentials for judgement.
Papa Smurf UTE | 2:56 p.m. Jan. 13, 2012 Herriman, UTI was there the last time, and came within 3 inches of you being the one that
left all dejected. And yes, after the blocked kick, on of your
brethren DID turn around to toast me with his "mythical" Budweiser.
Sneaking it into the stadium is not difficult, but he seemed to value it too
much to spray it on anyone. Classless? Your comment speaks for
Y Grad,Tulsa was not a decent opponent. No one believes that Tulsa
could beat anyone other than their weak Conf USA brethren, and the Wac teams
that you played. The Tulsa vs Y matchup was a percfect one for each of you. Both
average teams, who beat pathetic teams, but lost to the good ones. I am glad
that you will be in RES next year. Maybe a mythical beer will get poured on you,
and you can say all UTE fans are classless. I dont think that will happen
though. What I do know will happen is the UTES will beat the Cougs again, and
you will leave the stadium dejected for the 3rd time in as many years, and 4 of
the last 5, and so on, and so on, and so on.
Starfairy,So by your logic, you have had 1 good season, and that was
I guess in 84 since that is your only undefeated season. That was what, 28 years
ago now. Good gravy that was funny.
May I just say, I really don't give a rip what Bronco wears on the sideline,
what his sideline demeanor looks like or how he interviews. I care about a team
of quality individuals representing the standards of the gospel that I believe
in, and I care whether they win or lose. I have healed from the
train wreck September 17th, but I have not forgotten. IF I visit a
Utah article, it is to pay compliments to the Ute team, which generally I
respect and whose coach I admire. In defense of the boys in blue, I
unfortunately resort to saying things to/about the ankle-biters that are less
than Christian. I think that to assume the report about New Mexico
is true but the reports about UCLA or ASU are false is dishonorable and
self-serving in an attempt to discredit a good man. I also believe coach
Whittingham is a good man and a great coach. For what it's worth...
FYI,That's too much truth for Truth. Must be hard for Truth and
others to accept that BYU weaseled into the "top 25" based on
extenuating circumstances rather merit. Put an asterisk next to this "top
25 ranking" along with the asterisk next to '84.It's even
harder for them to admit that they got pasted on their own field by their rival,
their "fans" bolted for the exits in the 3rd quarter of that game, and
the players quit even before the "fans" did.
In addition to calling out BYU's schedule, don't you Ute trolls realize that the
pollsters ALREADY take SOS into account? You seem to expect BYU to be
double-tried for SOS. Why don't you think that an undefeated Houston team can't
get into the top 5? Strength of schedule is why! The pollsters already factor
SOS into their rankings.So, in conclusion, according to the polls
BYU was a lot better this season overall DESPITE their weaker schedule, not
BECAUSE of it.
FYINice spin, but The MOST IMPORTANT column in Sagarin's ratings is
the first column:#34 BYU#39 UtahIn season rankings
are fun, but the Final Rankings are the ONLY rankings that count:BYU
#25 Coaches, #26 APUtah not a single vote in either pollRegardless of how you spin it, from a national perspective, BYU had a better
overall season than Utah.Whining about it won't change that.
*sigh*Let's try this again.Why did the brethren drop
sports at BYU-Idaho?Because, as a four-year school, they would be
recruiting out of the same player pool as BYU-Provo, rather than being a
"feeder" school as they were when they were a Junior College.Why is that so hard to understand?
I am a BYU fan, and I say to BYU and Utah fans......BYU nor Utah are Top 25 west
of the Mississippi, and certainly not Top 50 east of the Mississippi. Can we
get our heads out and be real for a change? Those 35 plus Division I bowls were
obsurd for at least half of them. Come on. All fans of each school want their
favorite to do well. How does going to the bowls that BYU and Utah participated
in add to the coaches resumes or the school's prestige? But playing Mercy State
teams and defeating teams that end up with mediocre records at the end of the
season is no cause for crowing about the relative programs and their merits on
recruiting or even sending players to the NFL. The NFL is not the NFL I grew up
with. There are too many teams. It's all about the money and we are all paying
for it at the grocery store and everywhere else. Let's be realistic and enjoy
our sports and back off this back and forth baloney.
Thanks for staying Bronco. Please show us something on the sidelines other than
stoic behavior. I want to see by your body language that you are engaged in the
game and show the players some motivation on game day. Can you do that for me,
neighbor? Thank you, sir.
@Truth MachineA little more truth for youOverall Record
of Teams Played (Sagarin)Utah 84-82BYU 71-91Average SOS
of Teams Played (Sagarin)Utah 45BYU 69Average SOS of PAC
12 teams Utah played (Sagarin): 23Average Rank of Teams Played
(Sagarin)Utah 61BYU 86SOS (Sagarin)Utah 49BYU 90Rank (Sagarin)Utah 39BYU 34AP Top 25
votes for BYU 18 out of 60Coaches (Last voting record released Dec 5, they
don't release their final ballot) 11 out of 59 with Mendenhall ranking them 22.
@sportsfanforlife 12:45You said - "...werent yall y fans the
ones callin gout utah for playin ga. tech in their bowl game?"Sorry but no. I did not read or hear of a single BYU fan knocking Georgia
Tech. If anything, I heard lots of Y fans saying Georgia Tech was going to take
the Utes to the woodshed. (In retrospect, such comments were clearly
premature)In my opinion, no Y fan should knock the Utes' schedule.
I'm a proud Cougar fan, but I clearly recognize the Utah's PAC 12 schedule in
2011 was clearly superior to the Cougars schedule in 2011.In time, I
truly believe BYU will have a schedule, year in and year out, which will closely
match Utah's in strength, and from what I've seen so far of the 2012 and 2013
schedules, this is already beginning to take shape.GO COUGARS!
@phoenixWord on the street is that Bronco turned down Arizona State.---------Word on the street is that Bronco was the one who
turned down the Big 12 and Big Least invites. Rumors are that discussions are
still on going with the SEC.
@So. Cal ReaderI think you mean to direct that comment to the Ute
troll I was replying to, just fyi. The first paragraph in my post was quoting
what he said so others don't have to go back and see what the person said
"I'm the farthest thing from a BYU fan, but I certainly would dislike them
less if Bronco wasn't there."Just one more reason why true blue
BYU fans hope that Bronco will stay around for a long time -- he so irritates
the BYU haters.
Bottom line...Bronco must have thought head coach position with New Mexico (last
in MWC) is worth to consider giving up head coach with TBI (aka third best indy
team)...The best of this story is...Bronco made it sound like he
gave up a goodopportunity to remain with TBI.hahaha...Chris B is right...the future of football in Utah...is Utah indeed.
ninersThe most glaringly obvious problem with your rant is Utah
didn't finish with a tough schedule:7 of the 9 teams U faced
finished with LOSING records, and U LOST to the only two teams that finished
with winning records AND to two teams with losing records.Wash(7-6)
LOSTASU(6-7) LOSTPitt(6-7) wonCal(7-6) LOSTOSU(3-9)
wonAriz(4-8) wonUCLA(6-8) wonWSU(4-8) won in OTCol(3-10)
LOSTAnd your 8-5 bowl opponent, not even as good as BYU's 8-5 bowl
opponent.Tulsa #35 SagarinGa Tech #56 SagarinWhich
is why BYU finished in the national Top 25 and Utah finished as a cellar dweller
in their conference.
I'm the farthest thing from a BYU fan, but I certainly would dislike them less
if Bronco wasn't there.
I think that the recruiting rating services are a farce. How many stars did
all-Pro and tight-end great Chad Lewis get coming in (none - he was a walk-on).
Eric Weddell got one star and he was a Ute great. Ben Olson and Jake Heaps were
both 5-star busts. That having been said, although the BYU recruiting classes
consistently look good (and the 2012 class is shaping up nicely), the team
always has less overall talent than many BSC schools, including the Utes. When
was the last time we sent a cornerback to the NFL? Utah has more at that
position in the big time than any school in the NCAA. We get our share of
linemen (Kiesel, Hoke, Coats) and blocking fullbacks, but skill positions from
BYU in the NFL are rare in recent times (i.e., since Steve Young and Jim
McMahon). I heard an interesting take on 1280theZone from Kyle
Gunther (former Ute) who explained that Bronco gets more out of less than any
coach in the country. Cougar fans, be honest with yourselves, do you really
think anyone else would do better. AggieLove, why would Andy Reid even consider
Ok, so you Y fans are telling me that if it just so happened that BYU beat Utah
54-10, then the Y went on to face the toughest schedule any team from Utah has
ever faced and finished 8-5. All the while Utah goes through the bottom half of
the WAC ends up with 10 wins and a top 25 finish, and Y fans would not be saying
the same stuff to Utah fans? are you kidding me? Why don't you put that into
perspective for a moment..
RE: Riverton Cougar- "hahahaha i love the spin from byu fans." Sorry,
my friend, but the only "spin" I see is from troll fans blowing your
win over us way out of proportion, as if the game meant anything to our overall
season or our bowl game agreement. It was "one" game, and that was
all. We went to the bowl game that we were contractually obligated to .. and
I'll take Dallas over El Paso any day of the year."yall rally
need to get a clue cause nobody on the east coast cares about you AT ALL."
Sorry again, my friend. Obviously plenty of trolls, such as you,
"care" about us. Still trying to figure out why. But by the amount of
trolls comments to anything and everything BYU, I think plenty of your brethren
are very interested in us.
haha y fans have no hope i just figured it out. everything they do is superior
to utah cause of their name hahaha wow get a clue y fans for real.
Boooo. another couple years full of losses for the Y!
Totally hilarious that so many of you sore losers can't move on in life. BYU is a Top 25 team, you deny it. BYU succeeded in its first season as
an independent, you deny it. BYU had discussions of joining a BCS conference,
you deny it. Bronco turns down a job, you deny it.Well here's
something you cannot deny... you lost to ColoradoAnd...You
lost your shot at the South Division championshipYou lost your PAC 10.2
championship game opportunityFor a team that consistently came up
second fiddle most years to BYU in the WAC and in the MWC how could you ever
think you would do better than 4-5 in your conference.and lest we
forget... you lost to a team that hadn't won a road game in 4 years, a 2-10
team.Second fiddle again, and again. LOL... your welcome!
indycrimson"If Utah was mediocre and we embarrassed the
sideline scrimagers, what would you call BYU?"Easy, BYU was a team that steadily improved throughout the season to point of
finishing in the Top 25.Utah, on the other hand, was a team that
spent all of its energy on BYU and had nothing left at the end of the season,
losing to one of the worst teams in the country.
"hahahaha i love the spin from byu fans. they have done absolutely NOTHING
since '84 and they really wanna sit here and talk like they are better? for
real?? yall rally need to get a clue cause nobody on the east coast cares about
you AT ALL."ESPN in their most recent once-a-decade ranking of
the top 25 most prestigious football programs nationwide put BYU in the top 25.
Utah? They weren't in the top 25. Mind you this was after Utah's 2nd BCS win.
SO apparently BCS wins aren't enough to put Utah on the same tier as BYU. You
also say that BYU has "done absolutely NOTHING since '84". What do
you define as "something"? It seems like your only criteria for
"having done something" is to have an undefeated season. That's kind
of like saying the only way one can be considered to have been an effective
athlete is to win the Heisman. That's pretty restrictive.You make
it sound like there's such an enormous difference between 0 losses and 1 loss,
that 0 losses is not significant at all. Guess what? It's possible to be a
great team and have a great season and still lose a game or two. How many
undefeated teams were there this year? How many great teams were there this
Having graduated from SDSU (undergrad), I finally got sick and tired of their
"fans" reaction/treatment to anything BYU, and I have since lost all
allegiance, interest, etc. to anything SDSU. But now as a BYU Dad (x3), I don't
know what's worse-- SDSU fans or troll fans?Re: Y Grad / Y Dad, you
gave me a little of a hard time to my initial post to this article, but I give
you huge kudos for your response to the many troll comments. Theyve obviously
lost all interest in their own team/school. Go get 'em, Dad! Love it.And as a USC graduate (grad school), I want to extend a warm, early
"welcome" to our troll brethren in the Southern Division. Can't wait
to see what an offense under the 3rd OC in 3 years compares against the rest of
the league ... and Colorado ... again.
If Utah was mediocre and we embarrassed the sideline scrimagers, what would you
call BYU? Beaten by mediocre must be lousy or bad...Right?
sportsfanforlife | 4:51 p.m. Jan. 12, 2012 Salt Lake City, UTKeep telling yourself that until you believe it. While you dispute
whether we really improved or not and whether we deserve to be in the top 25,
Utah is the undisputed mediocre team of the year!
devilishYou, Bryant Gumbel, and all the Ute fans out there can
complain and spin all you want - it was, is, and forever will be an NC. Your attempt to invalidate or devalue it is flawed; compared to the
current system, which is such a total farce and nearly every year the new NC is
a new controversy, with teams being picked over other so-called lesser. Using
your logic, you think OK State doesn't feel cheated this year? TCU? Boise
State? Oregon? ad nauseum over the last decade? Until there is a playoff there
will always be a debate, controversy, an asterix mark next to NC, whether in
1984 or now. BYU had a perfect season then and was picked NC by two polls, now
a computer picks you tell me which system works best. This year, LSU could
possibly have been crowned NC even when losing the title game. Until
then however...the NC. It is something every team craves, wants, and covets.
There is a special trophy for it, handed out once a year. We have one of those
trophies...you don't - have on those, do you.
@ StarfarerExhibit A = BYU IdahoPatriot may be right
about BYU one day dropping sports.
are these y fans really beating their chest cause they got into the top 25? you
know you only made thta cause usc was ineligible right?@starfarer
"So let me get this straight, Houston is not a good program because they
have only put together one good season. So your saying that just because a team
has a good season doesn't make them a relevant program overall?Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!You just described the u, in
depth and detail and made the point every BYU fan has been making for
years..."We won 2 BCS games."So what!?You have nothing else but two seasons, SEVERAL SEASONS AGO, that mean
nothing now.Good Gravy that was funny."dude... what
exactly is it that you have done lately at all? absolutely nothing. you sit
there and say utahs two bcs wins dont matter. really? and why is that exactlyu?
what have you done to better that even in this decade? what bowl game have you
even been to that matters. you know what you just said makes you look even worse
hahahaha i love the spin from byu fans. they have done absolutely NOTHING since
'84 and they really wanna sit here and talk like they are better? for real??
yall rally need to get a clue cause nobody on the east coast cares about you AT
ALL. i say to my cousin the other day..."me:so would you think about goin
to byu?my cousin: who?" hahahaha
@starfarer "nothing really to offer football wise. I put BYU now days on
the level of Tulsa or Nevada or Louisville etc...""BYU fans are
different than most where winning doesn't mean all that much to most- just a fun
college football fall afternoon for the family and kids."hahaha
apparently im not the only one who thinks so hahaha.
@y grad/ y dad no whats really embarrassing is claiming you got SO much better
the second half of the season when ironically that as your WAC shedule with a
tcu game mixed and you got dominated against tcu. now thats embarrassing haha y
fans are hilarious
@starfarer and what exactly does your byu program have to show for ANYTHING
besides that nc against a .500 team? please tell me cause you all act like you
mean something to the world and you really DONT! haha if i were a y fan i would
be the last to talk about ANYTHING concerning teams doing anything recently. so
tell me what is it exactly that you have done??
Riverton Coog - "50 years from now people from all over the
world will look back on this last decade and the first thing that will come to
mind to everyone is Utah's 2004 BCS win."It's not gonna '84,
acheived by beating a team that didn't finish in the top 5 in its OWN conference
to seal the deal, either.
Starfarer,You are forgetting that BCS bowl games are better than
national championships, that being #2 is better than being #1 (which is why Utah
was picked over BYU for their academics into the PAC 12), finishing the season
unranked with no votes is better than being ranked with 20 votes, and that one
game will make an entire season (and one or two good seasons makes a program
really good). Come on, get your facts right! 50 years from now people from all
over the world will look back on this last decade and the first thing that will
come to mind to everyone is Utah's 2004 BCS win.
Star Fairy,It must hurt that a "top 25 team" that backed
into the top 25 due to extenuating circumstances rather than merit got drilled
by 44 points on your own field. I'm sure you were one of the
"fans" that turned the game off in the 3rd quarter (I'm assuming you
didn't make the trip to Provo). Hopefully you switched off your TV before your
team gave up. On the bright side, if you watched the whole game you were able
to see Sunshine get ripped, fumble the ball, and chase Utah's LB as he raced
towards a fumble recovery TD.
MormonUte, finally a fan who is based in common sense and reason. For all those
so-called BYU fans who are hoping Mendenhall leaves, please lead by example and
find a team to cheer for that fits your personality. May I suggest USC or Miami.
Maybe you can become a 'friend' of the former Ohio State coach who shall remain
nameless.On a more friendly note, it is now being reported that the
U of U is interested in hiring Gary Crowton. Mull that one over for awhile Otis
54-10Brilliant retort. Yes, 54-10 stings, and will until we extract
a measure of revenge. As I said before, I WILL be in RES next year to see it
happen. What stings worse though friend, one humiliation, early on,
or one humiliation right at the end of your season? You might as well have lost
to your scout team. Maybe you should have PLAYED your scout team. End of the day, 25th and a thrilling bowl victory over a decent opponent, or
nada in the season custom tailored to your PAC intro? Get used to the Trojan
fanfare - you'll be hearing it a lot.
patriot Please produce one shred, one little tiny itsy bitsy shed of
evidence that BYU will drop sports, especially football.I can
unequivocally and without hesitation say that you are wrong.Yes, I
do have information, from the people involved that no one, anywhere at any level
of the church, except maybe your ward, or your living room, thinks BYU sports
are going anywhere anytime soon.So just stop. BYU football is not
54-10reallyNational Championships 1 > two BCS wins.
Look it up. the only team award that transcends year over year is a
NC, not a bowl win for 3rd and 4th place.Besides when the BCS goes
away, what will you say then? they wre just bowls games, nothing more.Oh yeah Top 25 this year > what did you do this year? Oh yeah, 54-10.
54-10Being an ASU and A BYU fan and Alumn, 35-14 suited me just
fine.Utah proved one thing last season. Two great seasons doesn't
mean you are as important as you think you are.
@ Starfarer | 2:49 p.m. Jan. 12, 2012 Mesa, AZ 2>0
@ Y Grad / Y Dad | 2:26 p.m. Jan. 12, 2012 Richland, WA 54-10
is obviously so painful to you.Love it.
sportsfanforlifeI can't believe you said this at 12:45 p.m. Jan. 12,
2012..."since when was houston a good program? just caue they
had a good season this year all of a sudden..."So let me get
this straight, Houston is not a good program because they have only put together
one good season. So your saying that just because a team has a good season
doesn't make them a relevant program overall?Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!You just described the u, in
depth and detail and made the point every BYU fan has been making for
years..."We won 2 BCS games."So what!?You have nothing else but two seasons, SEVERAL SEASONS AGO, that mean
nothing now.Good Gravy that was funny.
sportsfanforlife | 2:01 p.m. Jan. 12, 2012 Salt Lake City, UTAbout as hilarious as a team that peaked September 17th and slid
downhill from there......until losing to the fearsome Buffs.
There was a reason Bronco only signed a 3 year deal. Most coaches would want as
long as deal as possible and the only reason you sign for less is to make it
easier to leave. The hiring school doesn't have to buy out much of or any
remaining contact when you leave. Bronco has his resume at the ready no question
and why not - Whit just got 2 million a year so why set around and make 1/4 of
that at BYU? If I am Bronco I am looking hard to get a chance at a BCS
conference - something like a Georgia Tech or Ole Miss etc... BYU can't compete
salary wise and they are going to find it really hard to grab traditional
recruits anymore - nothing really to offer football wise. I put BYU now days on
the level of Tulsa or Nevada or Louisville etc... Not a top 25 program anymore
but with the loyal fan base they have they will continue to fill the stadium.
BYU fans are different than most where winning doesn't mean all that much to
most- just a fun college football fall afternoon for the family and kids.
@flame of the west now whats really embarrassing is you y fans hiding behind
another team that beat the u cause yall obviously (54-10) couldnt do it hahaha
now thats hilarious and sad all at the same time.
UCLA? Perhaps Mendenhall probably wouldn't have wanted to admit that the school
he mentioned was Fresno State, so he's letting people believe he rejected the
@ OtisI'm sure I speak for many Y fans when I say that we would like
nothing more than for Colorado to play Utah for a long, long time. :) 17-14go top 25 cougs!
DodgerDoug wrote:"Thank you Bronco! We hope there are many more
three years deals in the future!"I'm sure I speak for many Ute
fans when I say that we would like nothing more than for Coach Bornco to stay at
BYU for a long, long time. :) 54-10
@clarkhippo since when was houston a good program? just caue they had a good
season this year all of a sudden just cause you play them in the future they are
good? hahaha. and werent yall y fans the ones callin gout utah for playin ga.
tech in their bowl game but then you list them as one of your great opponents
and osu? which is it cougar fans? when you dont play ga. tech and osu they are
weak but when you do play them they are all of a sudden good? just wonderin how
that works at the y
I am definitely not a Cougar fan, but I have nothing but respect for Bronco
Mendenhall. A lot of people make fun of the fact that he is very open about his
priorities in life, and many see that as a negative. I don't know why. John
Wooden was quite open about prioritizing other things above sports, and he also
won more than any other coach in history. Some BYU fans think Bronco lacks
passion. I think he is simply level-headed and masters his emotions well. Those
are admirable traits. BYU often struggles early in the season, and he has shown
the ability to not let one or two games ruin the year. If more BYU fans were
like Bronco, I could root for BYU. The guy is totally classy. It is interesting
to speculate on how he would do at another school without the standards that BYU
has. I honestly don't know. What I do know is that I would let my son play for
Bronco without hesiation. I love Whittingham at Utah as well, but this article
is about Bronco. Cougar fans who don't want Bronco around, be careful what you
Thank you Bronco! We hope there are many more three years deals in the future!
BYU fans who don't like Bronco drive me crazy, they will never be happy unless
we win the NC. Even then they wont be satisfied for whatever reason! Hey enjoy
the 64-25 record or whatever it is under Bronco. FYI, it is better than
Lavell's record after that many games... dare I blasphame!
@Honor Code 7:40@Howard S. 7:48You two are 100% correct.
In 2012, BYU is scheduled to play "WAC" games against
"WAC" opponents such as Utah, Boise State, Notre Dame, Georgia Tech
and Oregon State.In 2013 and 2014, the projected "WAC"
schedule includes opponents such as Texas, Houston and Southern Miss, with
additional "WAC" games against Boise State, Georgia Tech and Notre
Dame.I don't know how BYU gets away with scheduling all these
"WAC" opponents. Next thing you know, they're going to want to sign an
extended agreement to play "WAC" teams like Boise State every year for
the next six or seven years.
Actually, the job he turned down was at Utah.
It's not Bronco that is the problem with BYU football - it's the entire program
and a new coach won't solve anything. BYU is left in independent waste land and
eventually the recruiting (or lack thereof) will dry up. BYU's chance to go to a
BCS conference came and went with the non-invite to the BIG 12 and so they are
left to dwindle away as a program. Bronco is obviously still looking for another
job - just not the job he just passed up but I suspect you will see him leave
after next season. BYU 'was' fun to watch during the 70's 80' 90' and up to
maybe 2010. Reality is I really doubt BYU as an institution will even
participate in the NCAA in any sports in 10 years.
Bronco seems to do just enough to keep his job. Having said that, it's hard to
find a coach better than Bronco that would fit in with BYU. The program seems
to be doing fine with Bronco and if their recruiting continues to do better than
before (as another poster indicated) than why get rid of him? As a Ute fan, i'm
torn.... Part of me wants to see Bronco bolt for another team to see how it
would affect Y football, and another part of me is afraid that another coach
would do better than him. At the end of the day if you put Bronco and
Whittingham against each other, it's a no brainer though in favor of KWhit.
Again, withi so many fans divided on Bronco, one would have to conclude that
he's an above average coach, but not a standout.
But Tebow knows football.Go Utah!!
I really don't think "the Nation at large," and "everybody,"
thinks or cares too much about this. Bronco seems to have a overenflated view of
what everybody knows and where the nations focus is.
Wow, so many Utes here! Some call him wierd, some unusual -- Hey Tebow is
wierd and unusual, and WINNING!!GO BRONCO!
Brave Sir Robin said:"Your coach is drawing interesting from New
Mexico.....hahahahahahahahahaha!"Even funnier, he draws the interest
of Brave Sir Robin.
New Mexico?And he actually considered it?Too funny.
I just think it is funny that the SOS argument is such an issue in the minds of
both sides. Especially when you consider that both BYU and Utah's SOS computer
rankings factor in both schools strength of schedule for eachother into the mix.
Meaning, Utah (in the computers) gets linked to BYU's bad schedule and BYU gets
linked in to the bad Pac-12 teams via both Utah and Oregon State (which actually
ends up helping BYU because the Pac-12 teams SOS is ranked by the computers
higher than BYU's SOS). BYU's schedule will get better as they work through this
Indy thing. Boise St., Notre Dame, Texas, Ga Tech, etc. Utah's schedule will get
tougher as the Pac-12 teams improve (Colorado will be better, Arizona will be
better with RichRod, USC is off probation and back cheating with a full roster
of recruits, Mora is a recruiting juggernaut at UCLA, Cal has a stellar
recruiting class coming in, WSU has the crazy offensive genius at the helm).
Time to move on from this discussion. Spring ball is around the
Razzle2 wrote:"Word on the street is that Bronco turned down
the New York Giants."What street? Sesame Street?
He signed 3 years (last year) to coach Heaps to 2014 and now that won't happen.
Bronco won't stay more than 2 years. Neither Utah nor BYU will ever be
ranked again, but that is okay---football isn't everything. I don't think
Whittingham is having fun; his interviews are always the same, should just play
a tape recorder because it is the same message every day---no humor, no smile,
no personality. McBride and Lavell may not have the winning percentage, but
they had fun.
Razzle2 wrote:"Word on the street is that Bronco turned down
the New York Giants. "Really?! What street would that be?
@PP "The people bashing Bronco would be bashing Lavell too."No way. I love Lavell, I love Jimmer, Steve Young, BYU basketball and
football. But, Bronco didn't follow through with the mission of the school and
let Hall spew all over the media while wearing the BYU uniform. He is not the
leader for BYU.
@phoenixWord on the street is that Bronco turned down the New York
Why all the obsession with the WAC schedule? We told U, we would play a WAC
heavy schedule in 2011 and 2012 going Indy. This ends in 2013.We
are going to continue to play USU, so I don't count them in the mix. So we have
four other WAC teams next year. Most BCS teams have two or three cupcakes on
the schedule, and we have four. U have games against Nothern
Colorado, Washington State, AZ, ASU and Colorado - all of which should
pushovers. Sure Colorado will probably be a 70 - 80 ranking and San Jose will
be an 80 - 90 ranking so U can say U have a tougher schedule. But is there
really much difference between playing a 70th ranked team versus an 80th ranked
team? Reality is - either should be a gimme game for a program like Utah or
BYU.In the MWC; BYU and Utah both routinely had 6 or 7 cupcakes on
the schedule. Cougs schedule is definately tougher than in MWC and will rival
most BCS schedules in 2013. Boise State has become famous playing 8
or 9 cupcakes every year.
UU32The people bashing Bronco would be bashing Lavell too. I
remember the call in shows back in the day where people were saying it was time
for him to quit.It is funny to me that Ute fans are bashing Broncos
record against an easy schedule. Considering that the Utes played in the same
conference till last year and have a worse over all record against the same
teams.... Well you can probaby figure that out. Also, the Utes schedule was no
better than BYUs this year. Probably worse when you take away the BCS
Rumors are:1) Akron made an offer2) UCLA wanted him for
the defensive coordinator
To all of you Cougar obsessed Utes, remind me again which team finished in the
top 25 and which team didn't even get a single vote?
After much searching, the only thing I could find was that ESPN had reported
that Brocno was offered the New Mexico head coaching job. What is
really interesting is that Bornco and his wife, Holly, actually thought long and
hard about taking the New Mexico job. This speaks volumes about the
current state of BYU football. Also, it is clear from the article that Bornco
is not committed to staying beyond his three year contract (which is actually
good news for Provo).
As an ASU fan, I would have been sorely disappointed had Roscoe been hired. I
was hoping for a splash, but it never came. In fact, I am disappointed with the
guy that was hired.
I find it interesting that so many BYU fans find Bronco sub-par for some reason.
I get that he is a quirky dude. He wears a tee-shirt on game day. He comes up
with silly slogans. etc. However, the man also wins. He has proven to be a very
good defensive coach (name a time in BYU history that the defense has been so
consistent). He continues to bring in good talent. He runs a clean program that
doesn't disgrace the Y with honor code issues (see Crowton years). So why all
the downers from his own fans? Because he's not L. Edwards? I see no
reason Bronco wouldn't have had a shot at UCLA and Arizona State. The ASU job
actually makes more sense to me. UCLA was hot on the trail of Peterson then Mora
through the whole process. ASU ended up getting the guy from Pitt, after going
through a list of No's from coaches higher on their list. I do think
that Bronco is best suited for the Y., but he is certainly a good enough coach
to step into a BCS program and do well.
Wrubell reported it was the UCLA job he turned down (yeah right)....now ESPN is
saying it was the New Mexico job.Your coach is drawing interesting
from New Mexico.....hahahahahahahahahaha!
I am bummed that so many BYU fans seem to hate on the coach and the program.
Look, BYU has done pretty well lately. They have not won a ton of big games, but
most teams in the country don't. I'm sure the great seasons Utah has had just
feeds the envy, but BYU fans need to get over it. We are what we are - a pretty
good program, usually in the Top 25 or close to it.We beat the teams
we should beat (and often with some drama). We have a clean program with coaches
and players who represent BYU well. Bronco understands his job and the mission
of the university. I want them to win as much as anyone, but not at any cost. I
don't care how many other local and regional schools have better seasons from
time to time. BYU will win its share and is on the right track to keep getting
better. Enjoy the program, coaches and players more and worry less about not
being perfect all the time!
Thank you for staying Bronco. Recruiting has really improved since he got here.
5 out of 6 years with 10+ wins and ranked in the top 25 is something no other
coach in the history of the state of Utah can claim. His first year the recruits
averaged about 2.3 stars. This year, the average will be about 2.9. That is
better than quite a few BCS schools.Another way to guage BYU's success is
by the number of "protestors" in this comment board. The louder the
whining, the better I know BYU is doing. Judging by what I am reading in this
articles comments, things are very good at BYU right now.
Go, so we can get Andy Reid.
Bronco says and does things a little differently than most. I truly appreciate
his honesty with BYU and himself. I like the 3-yr contract stance he takes.
Sounds like he is trying do the right thing to me. I hope Bronco is at BYU for
a long time.
Arizona State? UCLA? Of course he turned it down... He'd have to
play a big boy schedule with no WAC games to pad the win column.
"I like our chances".........With a WAC schedule I like your chances
too!!! Funny stuff!
So he didn't provide any explanation for why he turned the promotion down?
@54-10 11:18Look at you, still obsessed with BYU. @BYUfaninWashSt 12:29 Would you like Gary Crowton back? @R.A.W 1:03You said - "He spends more time reading
books and showcasing them on his weekly KSL gig then actually finding ways to
take the BYU program to the next level."You know this for a
fact? Do you know Bronco personally? Don't forget, before he took
over as head coach, the Cougars went through three straight losing seasons.
Also, before Bronco, the last Cougar team to win a bowl game was the '96 team.
I'll agree BYU needs to step it up, especially with the schedule
they have in 2012, but they could just as easily go the other direction as well.
You said - "It is pretty evident on the sideline that he has
no joy or passion in coaching, which is obviously why he has no intentions on
signing any long term commitments."Do you want Bronco to dance
more on the sidelines? Did LaVell show tons of "joy" and
"passion" when he was on the BYU sidelines?As for the
contract, I'll most BYU coaches have similar contract lengths.
I honestly would not be sad to see Bronco go. He spends more time
reading books and showcasing them on his weekly KSL gig then actually finding
ways to take the BYU program to the next level. I understand football wins fall
5th on his list, which is great as a father. But as a football coach... nah.Bronco has shown again and again and again he is either unable or
unwilling to make the adjustments and put in the work to make this a top
program. It is pretty evident on the sideline that he has no joy or passion in
coaching, which is obviously why he has no intentions on signing any long term
commitments.Please let it only be 2 more years of Bronco. Hopefully things will change at BYU before long,
I don't really care if he got a job offer or not. It makes sense that he would
since the program has a winning record and so many other programs don't. i was
a little surprised at all the love he is getting here since only a few months
ago in September all of you were calling him to give up football and go on a
Bronco,If another offer comes in, please take it as fast as you can.
Just about any coach can have a winning season if they play sub par teams.
I don't know whats more shocking...A) Bronco getting an offer to
coach B) Dick Harmon not having the inside scoop when it happened
Actually Mendenhall withdrawing his name from consideration for the UCLA job is
old news. Dick Harmon announced it back on December 9.
Look at me. I get offers too.RIGHT.
Boise Super Blue does not represent all fans in Idaho and has no need to put
down Bronco. I respect Coach Pete, Coach Whittingham, and Mendenhall equally.
The arrogance of BSU fans is ugly and annoying, the best game of the season was
losing to TCU. Many BSU fans blame the kicker when the real problem was the
defensive backs getting burned due to lack of playing time. Go Cougs
and Utes!! I would love for BSU to lose to the cougars each year and to humble
the arrogant fans portrayed by Boise Super Blue and others.
Good coach who is interested in character building in addition to W-L. He'd
prosper anywhere except the SEC.
Ok I am a little bothered. I am a HUGE Bronco fan. I read his reasoning for not
signing an extended contract but it is just not clicking with me. Hmmmmmm
I wonder if he stayed to because Riley Nelson could not transfer with him?
Bronco is a unique coach at a unique school, and so far has been a great fit.
He probably could have made more money at the school he turned down, but if
money was most important to him he'd have left BYU long ago. He's got extended
family in the area, he believes in the ideals of BYU and the LDS church, Provo
is a great place to raise a family, and BYU pays him enough that he's not
hurting for anything. He may not stay as long as LaVell did, but as long as he
keeps winning, that would be my preference.
Great news. He has been a good leader and has added some nice touches to the
program: firesides at away games and looking at the "restrictions" as
positive points to the uniqueness of the program, using those as selling points
to recruits. He is just not a coach but has added to the spirituality and
mission of the school. Guys like him are tough to find. Whit is a good coach,
but not sure he would have "grown" the unique spiritual qualities that
are part of BYU's mission and atmoshpere. That said, he also has an eye on
other programs that may diversify his career; he mentioned the academies.
Good job BYU in retaining Coach Mendenhall.He Graduates his student
athletes.He wins: 10 or more wins in 5 of 6 seasons.He cultivates
the spiritual mission of the team with the firesides.It's not about
being the best coach, per se, but the best coach for your school. Right now
Good choice Mendenhall your doing a great job as head coach at BYU. Not alot of
people around the nation could handle the position at BYU and do as well as you
Thats to bad, I wish he would have left, and took Doman with him.
For you who don't know what Bronco is saying much of the time you probably ought
to take a class in listening.
I am sure that Bro. Mendenhall is a solid defensive coordinator and that he can
appeal to LDS athletes at BYU.'Nuff said.
@Portland Trail Blazers 5:03You said - "Bronco is a much better
coach than Kylie Willingham. 2-4 years, Kylie will be shown door up on the
hill."I'm a huge BYU fan, but I disagree with your comment.First off, a little respect to the head coach up on the hill. 'Kyle
Whittingham' is an excellent head coach, and unless the Utes experience a sudden
free fall over the next couple of seasons, I'm sure Kyle will be there for a
long time to come.His first three years as U head coach were a bit
rough. They lost two of three to BYU and finished with just enough wins to be
bowl eligible. But after the 2008 season, Kyle has clearly been coaching with
more success.As for Bronco, I give him a lot of high marks as Y head
coach, but the fact of the matter is, he and the BYU football program as a whole
are at a crossroads. 2012 promises to be a much tougher year than
2011, with road games against Utah, Boise State, Georgia Tech and Notre Dame.
Ten wins next season will be HUGE!
Re: Y Grad / Y Dad "You are the only person in the world who doesn't
care." I beg to differ, my friend. Why would be so many people be
interested to know Bronco turned down a job offer to a "top secret"
school he didn't even want to announce? What's the point? Is this his effort to
play a little "hard ball" to get more of a contact extension? Re: Ares "You're fun to watch ... and do the little league
"set, hut" thing on the sideline." That's precisely the schtict
I'm talking about. I see that type of thing in Pop Warner and High School.Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Y Grad. But I am a Y Dad (x3) and a Cougs
Word on the street is that Bronco turned down Arizona State.
Stay Roscoe. You're fun to watch act like LaVell Edwards and be all serious and
do the little league "set, hut" thing on the sideline.
Thank you Bronco and Hollie.
@ Brave Sir Robin | 5:02 p.m. Jan. 11, 2012 It might work if
Southern Virginia decides to field a team.
Hopefully Nick represents BYU well. His brother Jackson did well, but seems to
hate the world for not getting into the NBA. Nick is substantially shorter than
Jackson, but hopefully he has a chance to do what his brother didn't.
That is right.
Why leave to play real teams when you can pad your record playing Idaho State
and Discount Tires Tech.
So. Cal ReaderI am willing to wager he mentioned it because he was
asked it. Have you not watched the fascination with Utah coaches going
elsewhere and BYU coaches not being sought after? You are the only person in
the world who doesn't care.Portland Trail Blazers If
that was intended as sarcasm, it fell flat. And if you were serious, pretend it
was sarcasm, apologize and don't play for a while. Whit is every bit the right
man for Utah right now as Bronco is for BYU. Kyle has the knack for making real
time adjustments that significantly alter game outcomes. Remember BYU was close
at half-time? Once he masters having his team prepared for the teams they
should cream, like Colorado...Of course, you know what our red
rivals would respond to that.
I disagree with trail blazers. I think both Whit and Bronco are very good
coaches. They have very different styles. I'm not sure the Friday night
devotional would work at UCLA.I do think that Bronco's effectiveness
is more aligned with continuing as a defensive coordinator, which he seems to be
very good at. Because of his experience, he seems to be able to manage the HC
and DC roles very well.But speaking of coaches, I do think BYU needs
a QB coach. If Doman is going to be successful, he needs to be able to focus on
the entire offense. And with the pipeline we have coming, we need someone
different who can work the QB's exclusively.
He is preparing us for his departure at the end of next year now that his plan
for Jake Heaps to redshirt next year then play 2 more years as a Junior and
Senior backfired. He wanted to coach the three years left on his contract out
with Nelson and Heaps, but now he is looking to bail sooner rather than later.
Just preping everyone. Thanks Bronco. Not.
Thanks, Bronco! You're the greatest!
It would be interesting to see how Bronco would do at a typical school. He's
wired a certain way and without the Honor Code to hold the standards together
I'm not sure what he'd come up with. He's got a great edge now, but don't see
how it would translate. He's a good coach and glad he's here at BYU but his best
fit may be here. Whit would do well at BYU using similar standards and
techniques, but he seems to be able to apply the standards to non-LDS schools
although at Utah, it's much closer to BYU than Ute fans would admit.
Sorry if I am a little skeptical, but I don't think he was offered a head
coaching job from a BCS school, especially UCLA. Two reasons:First,
we would have heard about this from other media (impossible to keep coaching
searches secret); andSecond, he is clearly not qualified to coach at
the next level.Go Boise!!
Otis, you comment implies the Bronco is not telling the truth. What evidence do
you have of that?
Now watch all the Ute fans call Bronco a liar and saying that he's too
embarrassed to say who offered him the job (because they believe it to be some
program like Idaho).
The more I read quotes from Coach Bronco, the more I scratch my head. Yes. I
love what he's brought to the BYU Football Program and how he's turned the
program around from the woeful Crowton Era. However, for me, his double-speak
shtick is running a little old (i.e. the Nelson-Heaps fiasco). So, why do we
need to know he actually turned down a head-coaching job elsewhere? I could care
less. The only thing I'm casually interested in is which school did he turn
down, since he's the one who raised & mentioned the issue in the first
place? As much as I like Bronco, I do not think he's the coach who will get the
Cougs to the next level, since the "next level" w/ serious BCS
consideration, is what Holmoe has publically announced he and the BYU
administration want the football program to get to.
Bronco is a much better coach than Kylie Willingham.2-4 years, Kylie
will be shown door up on the hill.
I like our chances as long as Mendenhall is our coach!! Nobody better to help
the transition into independence. Go Cougars!
Good choice. Bronco's schtick would only work at BYU.
Everybody loves Roscoe.I think he turned down the job for 3
reasons:1) He was told he could no longer produce slogan-themed
t-shirts1) He was told he could no longer wear the frumpy,
discolored, slogan t-shirts on the sideline2) He was told he could
no longer have his defense line-up in a 3-point stance on the sideline and
sprint out onto the field in Pop Warner-esque fashion
i thought all job offers went to whit. i guess I was wrong. i just wish bronco
was more interesting to listen to.
Thanks for staying Bronco. We love what you're doing.GO COUGARS!