When there are laws that fall into a "grey" area (such as drug laws)
that not everyone agrees one, you will have those who break "the law."
But at what point to we say we have created to many laws in the interests of
others, that now the government no longer holds the moral authority. If
we just stuck to the basics (dont' kill don't steal etc) I doubt that crime
would ever be at a high. Lets get rid of laws that are in the grey. I
don't want a Nanny state, and if anyone says they do, I don't think they have
thought of the consequences.
Lest we forget, not all law enforcement officers wear uniforms.The
law enforcement officers that enforce the regulations, that protect our food,
water, air, health, air travel, job safety and even those in the IRS are every
bit as important to us as the traffic cop. While not all jobs in
the service of our society carry the same weight of personal risk, all have the
unpleasant job of forcing reluctant people to be good. And all of
these jobs, even the traffic cop, are voluntary and often sought after for both
money and personal aggrandizement.
Great!Start by obeying the Speed Limits, and Stop Lights.We should be a Free Society, with Self Governing people.i.e., no need
for Law Enforcement.If you expect Government Officers to Enforce
laws, you are aking for a Police State.It all begins with self
control.Start with your driving.
We are a democratic nation under law, not a police state. Disagree with the
laws? Elect someone to change them, but don't act as a law unto yourself. That
is anarchy. Our laws and enforcement officers are far from perfect. Perhaps
someone who is perfect could bring us a better alternative.
I wish that I could respect the police; unfortunately the conduct of some keeps
getting in the way. And the failure for the police to police themselves and
remove the bad ones; disappoints me even more. There are always going to be bad
apples, but the police blue code ( a cop does not arrest, or turn in another
officer) seems to me to protect them, this does not create respect for their
profession. It makes the public feel; that police think they are above the
law.Police officers should conduct themselves with the highest degree of
honor and honesty.The police could improve their reputation by holding
themselves to a higher moral code; any officer that violates the code or law,
should be turned in, and shunned by other officers.Police will receive a
greater degree of respect, when they also follow the same traffic laws, they
expect the public to obey.
Re: Midvaliean | 5:42 a.m. Jan. 11, 2012 "When there are laws that
fall into a "grey" area (such as drug laws) that not everyone agrees
one"Whether or not you agree with specific laws our society has
established is moot. You are free to try and get them changed but until you do
police officers are empowered to enforce them. This tragic shooting in Ogden
will only stiffen our resolve to enforce laws against illegal drug usage.
Rifleman | 11:02 a.m. Jan. 11, 2012 In my opinion, the tragedy in
Ogden has more to do with use letting down our vets, then drugs. We send
them to war, they witness inhuman and immoral things, when they come back, we
need to take better care of them; both physically and mentally.
LDS Liberal. We live in a police state, nation, world. Every organized group of human beings has rules. Rules without enforcement
are not real rules, not everyone will abide by them. Enforcement
Thanks Janice for the insight. I will try to curtail my lawlessness. After all,
laws are made for you and me and not for those that wrote them. One other point,
before you draw and quarter the perp in the Ogden case, try to have a fair trial
and give him his day in court. The preceeding is for the Prosecuter since
nothing is ever black and white.
@Rifleman: There are a LOT of "grey area" laws. Anytime a
special intrest group gets a law passed its going to be something that helps one
group but hurts another.You say"This tragic shooting in Ogden
will only stiffen our resolve to enforce laws against illegal drug
usage."To that I say lets stop beating the dead horse. Our
surrounding neighbor states all recognize the futility in criminalizing all
marijuana. So does a lot of the nation. We will all never agree on this, but
that is in fact the point. It is a grey moral issue that is disagreed on, so
government should NOT be legislating it. If the government didn't legislate
morality out society would be a lot happier.
VIDAR | 11:24 a.m. Jan. 11, 2012 Murray, UT Rifleman | 11:02 a.m.
Jan. 11, 2012 In my opinion, the tragedy in Ogden has more to do
with use letting down our vets, then drugs. ..Agreed. WWI,
WWII, Vietnam, all vets then suffered PTSD (called Shell-shock back in those
days) and turned to whatever they could to self-medicate. Some were legal, most
were not. I remember Walter Conkite reporting Vietnam vets and their ruined
lives of guns, drugs, alcohol and anti-establishment. Society did not treat them
very well.============== Ultra Bob | 11:39 a.m. Jan. 11,
2012 Cottonwood Heights, UT LDS Liberal. We live in a
police state, nation, world. ...Agreed.I just
think enforcing laws that kill 400 innocent people each and every year
(speeding) should be a higher priorty than sending in 6 armed cops in the middle
of the night to bust a punk pothead.And if prople would simply obey
the laws themselves, we (as a Society) wouldn't have to turn to or depend on law
enforcement to do it for us.Drive 65, and don't be a hypocrite, hit
the brakes and obey only when "Big Brother" is watching.
Shell shock, PTSD or battle fatigue are seldom manifest in those who have not
been in harms way. The shooters service record would make it difficult to equate
his time in the military with killing a police officer. He had personal
problems, but don't blame a desk job in the military for the inability to
distinguish right from wrong before you blame cannabinoids.
This letter is cute but, ideological and naive. What happened in Ogden last
week was tragic. What happened in Washington County to the Cardalls was even
more so. I do not trust law enforcement today. When I was a kid, I was told
that a cop is your friend. Today some of the biggest bullies on the street wear
a badge and carry a gun. I worked with law enforcement for many years. Some of
the cops are diligent and conscientious, but there are many that believe there
badges make them judge, jury and executioner. Before I can get on board of
giving law enforcement the respect this letter suggests, law enforcement needs
to relearn how to respect the public.
Everyone needs to remember that this man was not a combat vet. I fail to
understand how he could have come to have PTSD from his work far from any
combat.The real question is how can we finally find the national
courage and wisdom necessary to find reasonable limits on possession of
high-powered, high-capacity weapons. Why do we continue to completely ignore
the first phrase of the Second Amendment?There was another tragic
funeral in Washington state today where a young mother -- a national park ranger
-- was buried after having been killed by a man who bore remarkable resemblance
to the Ogden shooter.There HAVE to be reasonable balances out there.
But because we kowtow to extremists like Wayne LaPierre of the NRA, our
Congressional "leaders" are afraid to even try.
Respect, but not enable, ignore or over empower.
casual observer | 1:59 p.m. Jan. 11, 2012 one old man | 6:58 p.m. Jan. 11,
2012 What I know is he is a returned veteran. whether he served in
the field, or in a support position, does not matter to me; he still served our
country, and went to war; we still need to take better care of our returning
vets: both physically and mentally. It seems this man was having a crisis.What he did in iraq and afganistan; I do not know for sure; And no one else
does either. It is nieve to think the military reports everything the troops
do.There is no way for you to know for sure what he did in the war. Many
things are classified.
' I fail to understand how he could have come to have PTSD from his work far
from any combat.' - one old man | 6:58 p.m. Jan. 11, 2012 **'(84
year old) Elderly woman hit by spray at protest: I'm 'tough' - By Chris Grygiel
- AP - Published by DSNews - 11/16/11 **Peacefully protesting,
Marine shot point blank by Police during violent Occupy Oakland raid By Stephen
Foster Addicting Info 10/26/11 PTSD is not, restrictive to
military combat, overseas. Police, in my opinion, have MORE
restrictions placed upon them because they often are authorized to use violent
and sometimes leathal force... but are sometimes punished for it,
when this force is used in regards to American citizens. It is a
hard balance. And one I do not envy. I agree with majority of
posters here. Respect police, but keep in mind, they ARE THERE, to enforce the
laws. Even the one's we disagree with. They are NOT there, to
CHANGE, the laws. That, is up to our lawmakers. This may sound
strange, but I also do not support blindly following the law. Civil disobedience
has it's place. My examples are: Rosa Parks.
I am a retired Law Enforcement Officer from the south, and I agree with this
letter that was written. I furture believe that alot of the law enforcement
officers are being held to higher standard then what alot of you believe. I was
there to enforce the laws that were on the books and I was also Internal Affairs
and had the job of policing the officers and they don't get away with as much as
some people think, not were I was.