but anyways there's another article for that convo not here.
@starfarer you did NOT get better as the season went on and stop saying you were
the better team at the end of the season cause you werent. if you're using the
polls based on your argument you're telling me you were better than florida,
noter dame, penn state, miss. st.. etc? yeah i dont think so. and you had your
chance to prove if you were "better" against tcu and you lost bad. you
did not improve your schedule was just terribly weak. SOS
You haven't been watching Boise State play, have you Roc? Moore rarely played
more than half the game, ala BYU in the 80's.
DO break out the spin doctors.Oh wait. Thay've already arrived.
Golf has etiquette. Most of the rest of them are criminal enterprises.
Good one, Mr. Rockmonster.
Utah'95BYU didn't make the claim, the polls did.I
however, have no problem making the claim that BYU ended the season better and
was the better team based on the season. Look at the poll!I am a BYU
fan! What do you want me to do, hide my head because you beat us, but then
fizzled away into obscurity, while we went on to the top 25?I know
you beat us, but it doesn't change the fact we ended up in the top 25. When all
is said and done the poll standings is what the nation looks at at the end of
the season, not one game. A year from now, only u fans will remember the one
game, but sports casters will continue to say things Like, "BYU is in rare
company, it is only one of 11 teams to be rated in the top 25 four of the last
five years."u fans whining on BYU comment boards about BYU in
the top 25, is just silly.
ok y fans i will tell you this.. ive played basketball for a very loong time now
and that was austin did is a big no-no. doesnt matter what reason he did it for.
he knew exactly how much time was on the clock. i bet you wouldnt hear coach
rose making all the excuses yall are making for him. but to get down on the kid
about it (rock) is also a big no-no because his coach will get oh him enough
about it. he doesnt need an internet article about it.
In any sport, at any level, at any age, regardless of the score, if you're not
going to play as hard and as well as you can until the final second or final
out, etc., is over, you need to go home, or at least go sit in the stands.
Teaching players to do less than that is teaching them 1) that it's okay to stop
before the job is over, and 2) that it's okay to show disrespect to the opponent
by treating them like they are weak and incapable. If the other team requires
such coddling, it should not be on the same court or field in the first
place.Taunting is wrong, and a sign of inferior character, but
performing as well as you are able for the entire game is a sign of integrity.
May I suggest:DON'T claim that your team, which lost by 44 points,
is the better team. It just makes you sound silly.
I never liked the line "we wanted it more than they did." I think
it's a presumptuous to pretend to know what's in the other team's head and
heart. A lot of the margin of error is luck, the way the ball bounces, the way
the refs see a call, etc. No amount of wanting is going to change that. Also, we assume players play because they like the game. If that's
true, let them play until it's over. They like shooting and watching it go in.
They like passing, rebounding, stealing and out playing opponents regardless of
the score. Winning shouldn't be everything. Last, I read the
article hoping to learn something about sports etiquette and I was disappointed.
A big don't. Do not write a newspaper story intent of generating a large number
of on-line comments. It destroys a reputation as a journalist and moves the
writer to the same relm as a talk radio host. You know, the radio voice who
says whatever is necessary to get the phone to ring.
Brad, good article. If you are in the game, play hard. If you clear the bench,
don't teach your 2's and 3's not to score. They deserve a better chance than to
"take a knee" on every possession. Just don't keep the starting 5
playing in a blow out or do an on-side kick when you're ahead 47-0.
Kosta Fosenko:BYU fans aren't hurt, just voicing their difference of
opinion. But we wouldn't expect you to understand. Utah has yet to
score 80 pts in a game this year.
Mr. Rock, I would really appreciate it if you stopped writing articles involving
BYU. Please. Write about the Utes all you want, but leave my Cougars alone.
Remember - "Phi Slama Jama"? Houston coach Guy Lewis was so worried
that NC State would make many fouls to those lousy low percentage shooting free
throw Houston team (except Dave Rose former Houston gaurd). Austin probably
didn't know about it. So, there was nothing wrong about running up the score for
fun or protection. And so what that Kyle Whit did this onside kick which was fun
thing to do and funny Joe Glen throwing fits.
"DO step over a fallen opponent. It shows you're mean and unafraid to
compete. But DON'T offer a hand to pick him up. It's a sure sign of compassion,
which is the sure sign of a soft player."I hope this was
tongue-in-cheek. I have coached for years, and would never tell my kids to not
help an opponent up. If anything they get a psychological advantage, because
the opponent knows he needs help from the guy who just knocked him down to get
back up....... (sarcasm - for those of you who have no concept of same)
Mr. Rock OOhh come on give him a break so what Austin went back and three times
to hit the ball in basket.Austin did nothing wrong. You did a no no
by complaining like a sissy
DO write decent, thoughtful sports articles.DONT bore the readers with
made-up drivel you think is clever.DO cover important aspects of the game
by actually learning the game.DONT go on ad naseum trying to make a point
out of something that is pointless.
If calling multiple time-outs in the waning minutes of a beatdown provides a
"coaching" moment, so does allowing your reserves to play basketball
until the final tick of the clock.
what a surprise, the BYU fans feelings are hurt.......this place never changes.
That wasn't Brandon Davies slamming home a Carlino miss. It was a back up
player rebounding and slamming home a miss from a guy who never gets to play.I'm so tired of the idea that 3rd stringers in a blow out game should be
expected to take a knee when they're sitting on the 1 yard line with more than a
minute to play. It's not running up the score if it's the backups; only if the
starters are still in.Austin did nothing wrong. Especially since,
as Making Sense pointed out, it was for the fans; it wasn't just any two extra
@ The RockmonsterI guarantee Austin's putback jam would not have
happened had Walters pocketed his timeouts in a blowout loss. The Y would have
been content to bounce out the clock with anything under 35 seconds. I guess Walters did turn it into a teaching moment. Just not the one he
Expecting Austin to forgo his basketball instinct to slam home a missed layup is
silly. The goal of the play was to get Martineau a basket before time expired.
It also coincided with the fact that the BYU fans would get frozen yogurt if the
Cougars scored 80. Austin's put back isn't the "sports code
violation" in this scenario. Maybe it was trying to get a player on the
scoreboard and that crazy desire for yogurt.There are countless
other examples from sports, especially "pro's", that could've been the
lead for this story. To choose the put back jam by Austin deflated an otherwise
good point from Rock. It would've been better to choose the Xavier vs. Uconn
brawl to show how things have gotten out of hand.