Another year in which BYU finishes the season ranked and Utah doesn't even get a
vote. Nothing new - it's happened 12 times before.Current tally:BYU: 18 - a final raking has become another day at the office since the Lavell
yearsUtah: 6 - five of which were in the last decade, which will
forever be known fondly by Ute fans as the "glory years"But hey, you won your bowl game in September, so check this season off as a
success, right? Isn't that the Ute attitude?
How is that possible? BYU is not in the PAC12?
Congratulations to the 2011 WAC Champions on an incredible season!
This is why rankings are worthless. It does not account for the strength of
schedule. Play a bunch of cupcakes and you get ranked.
Just another example of the respect that BYU has in the nation. A respected and
storied program gets the votes they need to put them in the top 25 of all teams.
Let's see, we finish in the top 25 of football, we are going to be ranked in
basketball, we start off the volleyball season ranked # 1 in the nation, our
Rugby team is superior to all, and on and on and on.Meanwhile, up on
the hill, one sport u finishes with ZERO votes for their one sport, even though
the "beat down" their rival. Where or where is the respect. I guess
they arn't so "storied" after all.
Awesome. Great job Cougs!
We may not be #1 but at least our bowl game was fun to watch.
Congratulations to the Cougars for turning in a good season. My utes will be
This has to grind on the little brother up north - hang in there boys.
Cougs, don't let the Utes change the subject and get you steamed. They are
understandably frustrated with a 4-11 hard court record, knowing that their
rivals have a 14-4 record including a 19 point win in the HC. Further, it is
known by both sides that the U is not expected to win but maybe 1 or 2 more
while the Y is not expected to lose only 1 or 2 more. Their football season
ended in disappointment and their bb season just carries the embarrassment on.
They will try to deflect with stories of the past, but you keep your eye on the
future and you'll be just fine.
Congrats to the Cougs. Playing only one team Tcu that finished in the top 25.I
guess that is one more than 1984
It is about time those powerful wins over Idaho and Idaho State are recognized
Congratulations Cougars on another Top 25 Finish!--------------------------GoshJarciaUtah couldn't win
a WAC championship even when the Utes were in the WAC.
I'm sorry but this ranking is a little suspicious. I wonder how many BYU fans
actually believe that BYU is one of the top 25 teams in the country? Look
at the others receiving votes. Do BYU fans believe that BYU could beat Missouri,
Auburn, Washington, Notre Dame, or Penn St on a neutral site? I certainly admire
how BYU fought through adversity, but this is a team that required a last second
miracle to beat Tulsa, who finished the year with 0 top 25 votes. I know it
isn't fair to compare them to the team that lost to Utah 54 to 10, because Riley
Nelson certainly brings a spark. But even Riley Nelson lost TCU, the only decent
team BYU faced.If anything this ranking shows us how flawed the top 25 is.
When over 20% of your wins come against teams from Idaho, it diminishes your
prowess just a bit.
Well. we've learned that outside of Ute fans...BYU football is relevant.The
college experts and pundits have weighed in. Their not the national champs, but
then again...neither is LSU. On Sept 17th BYU heads were handed to them by the
Utes, proving that they were better that day. Who wouldn't of been better that
day. In fact it's possible with seven turnovers Colorado may have beaten
BYU....but that's a topic for another day. Much has been made about SOS, Sagarin
ratings. Have you ever wondered why they have these other ratings to gage succes
in college football? So when your team dosen't play to expectations you can
always fall back and say...oh yeah...we're in the Pac 12 or 10 or whatever it is
this week...the conference of Champions...we are utes..hear us roar. It's true
the Pac 10 has it's tradition....but Ute fans, as of now the Utes have done
anything to add to that tradition. I'll give you Sept 17th...no contest. Just
remember this one simple fact. On Sept 17th you won the battle....in the
end....you lost the war.
Utah can't use the PAC-12 as an excuse for not being ranked. They flat out blew
it against inferior opponents. BYU beat the teams they were suppose to beat,
Utah did not.
This means as much as the fictitious nc. Didn't beat anyone that year and
didn't beat anyone this year. Wasn't proved on the field.
Way to go Cougars!!!
Just looking at these few posts it's got the Utes fans dander up. It's tough
when you come to understand that the rest of college football dosen't even come
close to seeing things the way you see them. Don't take it so hard....I hear
there's an article in the DNews on Ute recruiting....why don't you all run to
that blog and remind each other that you're in the Pac 12, and all will be well.
There's always next year when you can set your eyes on the Cougars
again......Just a word of advice....don't forget to play the rest of the season.
And one parting shot.........We're no longer your rival.......Gage your sucess
by other things other than BYU football. It's been a good year, see you next
54-10 and 17-14Kind of ironic that two road games defined a season
for both the Utes and the Buffs. And it's equally ironic how two
teams with 10-3 records are ranked at the end of their seasons this year and
last.It would appear that the Cliffdiving Champion from the MWC has
moved to the PAC 10.2Congrats to BYU for another winning season and
USA Top 25 ranking!
re: rickski13 "Congrats to the Cougs. Playing only one team Tcu that
finished in the top 25.I guess that is one more than 1984"How
many teams did U play what are ranked in the Top 25? The sames number as BYU -
1. Lucky for U, U played us, otherwise U would have played 0 teams ranked in
the Top 25.Ccngrats Cougs on an outstanding season!
Once you get past the top 10 or 15, the differences between teams start to be
pretty meaningless. Look at, say, the Sagarin computer ratings. BYU is 34th
there, and for teams ranked 27 through 49, including Utah at 39, the expected
point spread at a neutral site would be less than a field goal. Utah didn't get
any votes in the AP or ESPN popularity contests, but I'm not ready to beat my
chest about the Cougars being better than the Utes. Utah won convincingly on
the field.I expect a spirited game next September at RES without the
@ rickski13Maybe you should check how many teams that the might U
played that finished in the top 25 before you open your mouth. Check the U's
schedule, then check the list and get back with me.
So BYU finishes ranked, yet all their fans talk about is the Utah football team?
hmm....I am starting to think there is no such thing as a BYU "fan".
Just a bunch of Ute haters.
By the way, the only reason BYU is ranked is because USC is ineligible for the
USA today poll.
yeah......., but the red rocks will be ranked in the top 25 and the bball team
are hitting their stride.
I smell national championship...
To all the BYU fans bashing Utah I have three comments. First congratulations
on the ranking, based on the design of the polls BYU deserved to be #25.
Second, if you are happy playing an extremely weak schedule that produces 10
wins and a ranking then so be it. Finally I find it interesting that both Texas
and Utah, teams that beat BYU were not ranked yet the Cougs didn't beat a team
in the top 40 nationally and were ranked.
@cougintexasHow many teams did U play what are ranked in the Top 25?
The sames number as BYU - 1. Lucky for U, U played us, otherwise U would have
played 0 teams ranked in the Top 25.======Well actually
we played the 6th ranked USC. USC just wasn't eligible for the USA today
rankings, which is also the only reason BYU is in the top 25
Not impressed with the top 5 poll because LSU already beat Bama at their turf
once. Congratudation Cougars for being at 25. Happy New Year.
MaxCharlotte, NCThis is why rankings are worthless. It
does not account for the strength of schedule. Play a bunch of cupcakes and you
get ranked.Oh, you must mean Montana State and Colorado State...
Howard SI smell Pac 10.2 doormats. good luck in Boulder next year.
Two things obvious to this Cougar fan from the posts so far this AM. One, some
very gracious Ute postings. Two, the typical BYU arrogance is very quick to
surface. While I know that some Utah trolls can be annoying, it never ceases to
amaze me how my fellow Cougar fans can get so pithy.Nice season
Cougars, none the less.
Per usual the red trolls mock the National ranking of BYU and so it goes. I am
confident that if the Utes had received a national ranking in this poll it
miraculously would become relevant and validating. Yes, the BCS is
completely flawed and does not settle anything, but unfortunately it is in place
and it is backed corporately with humongous dollars.
Wait...Wait...Wait,Only 2 of the Mighty Fabulous Sensational Pac12
made it into the top twenty five...shouldn't that close win over Mighty Montana
State and that very close loss to Colorado pole vault Utah into the top ten, if
not, at least the top 25 or surely at least a single vote.What a
great recruiting cry..."Hey, We played also and we can be seen on KJAZZ, we
soon will be receiving millions...look what that kind of money did for
Washington State...err, I mean...Arizona, err I mean...Oregon State...err, well
the money will be nice".
Rankings are a joke. Love my Cougs, but... 25th? No way. As for the Ute whiners
who say we played cupcakes, it's true, but we beat ours and the Utes lost to
Colorado. In the end it doesn't matter except to indicate that BYU has a higher
nationally perceived image than Utah and that is because of... exposure. Thank
@veracityLook at the AP rankings. The Pac 12 has 3 teams in the top
Hmmm, I can't find the word "utah" anywhere in this story.
CO Ute". . . the Cougs didn't beat a team in the top 40 nationally
and were ranked."Do you mind telling me where Tulsa was ranked?
It's where U finish that matters, not how good U were on one game on Sept. 17.
ninersSAINT GEORGE, UT@veracityLook at the
AP rankings. The Pac 12 has 3 teams in the top 10 buddy.Well the
NCAA did not include USC in anything and I didn't either...
WOW, really? This is amazing. Congratulations are in order for Tom Holmoe for
finding the competition for BYU to put together a schedule, and then to the
entire BYU squad, for putting together wins. But how about that television
exposure of ESPN and BYUTV? That had to play huge in this ranking. Can you
imagine how high we would have finished in other seasons when we had little
exposure, but even better teams, if we had received this kind of exposure then?
But my hat goes off to Riley Nelson too for playing his heart out and inspiring
his team. Go Cougs.
Wait a minute... Alabama beat LSU??? I thought once LSU beat Alabama, that
subject was settled for the rest of the season. I mean, once you've lost to
somebody, you can never be better than them can you?
Rockon isn't it actually more because of sustained over three decades
consistency? ESPN does have something to do with all the exposure, but it is far
more than just this past season... Thank goodness this obnoxious season is over.
Thanks for pointing us to the AP poll niners... Yes, the Whacky 12 has 3 in the
top 10... It is fitting inasmuch as there are only and have only ever been three
teams worth squat in that conference. Nothing will change with the addition of
Utah and Colorado unless the Buffaloes coach of the championship team comes back
and has the same success he had back then. The AP poll also shows that even
though Texas beat BYU they finished ranked lower by 36 votes. While we are on it
the SEC has 4 in the top ten and has several hundred percent more BCS
championships than the Whacky 12 does or ever will. What is even more impressive
is that 3 years running the title has been in Alabama. Bring on next season!
I would have thought that with Utah's success the past 10 years, and winning a
bowl game on a Saturday in front of many more tv viewers, the voters would have
respected Utah, a team from the mighty Pac 12 conference, a lot more. I'm
surprised that they would vote a lowly independent higher. Even more surprised
that Utah did not get even one vote in either the AP or USA Today polls. Wow,
who'd have thunk this in September? or even in late November when the Utes
were playing for a chance to go to the Pac 12 championship game? And BYU was
playing for nothing in November. You have just got to discount these polls -
afterall the voters are clearly biased against Utah. They are probably all
Mormons. Facts are facts and you have to live with them. And the
whole season counts.
When you lay an egg against Colorado you kind of blow your entire
season.......it would be like BYU losing to Utah in basketball
10-3 and a #25 ranking. Seems like a satisfying season.Was it so
satisfying that Cougar fans would repeat this season every year?True
fans would say "No"They didn't like losing to their rival. They
didn't like 2 bye weeks in November. They didn't like playing easy schools late
in the year.Troll fans sould say "Yes"They'd lobby
Tom Holmoe to drop tough teams like Texas, Utah, & TCU, in favor of
replacements like Nevada and Fresno State.
I just want to make sure that since rankings are all fiction that any and all
rankings by the Utes over the last several years are also seen as fiction- if
this one is then those are as well.
congrats cougs on a strong finish.
A team that waited till their bowl game to beat an opponent with a winning
This really pleases me. It is a good day to be a BYU fan.
Are you on here pounding your chest about winning agaisnt WAC teams? That's
losing in my book.
Where is the AP #6 USC? Oh, thats right they are ineligible? Congrats, but you guys were arguing that the only reason Utah wins the South
is because USC was ineligible. So the only reason BYU gets ranked is because
USC was ineligible.
Here's a shout out to USC! The AP poll allows them to get votes, which left BYU
at #26. The coaches poll excludes USC due to their NCAA violations, allowing BYU
to crack the top 25. Thank you Trojans.
FACT Utah beat ONE final top 25 team this year.FACT BYU has only
beat TWO final top 25 teams since 1996.Conclusion...Utah
had a mediocre year.BYU has had a mediocre decade.
Haha!! Hilarious. I'm a big BYU fan, but Utah handed us our hat and should be
ranked higher than us...
Most rational Cougar fans like me believe that for the SEASON, BYU was not a Top
25 team. However, BYU with Nelson showed a ton of improvement on offense. Some
of it was against patsies, but they finally showed they could move the ball vs.
the TCU defense (despite the loss to them, a highly ranked team), they won big
over Hawaii in the islands (which they had problems doing in past years) and
beat Tulsa. The human polls are not like computer rankings, where BYU seems to
hover around #40 given their early season failures. Humans voters give much more
weight to the end of the year, and I think it is right to have BYU right near
the top 25-30 mark.
...because USC wasn't eligible. Oh wait did coug fans all suddenly
decide to stop beating that drum? Gotcha.
Seems to me just yesterday that the TUN was always whining that even though they
had a splashier win-loss record than BCS teams, they weren't given their due
nationally. Now all we hear from these same fans is bashing BYU for winning
against lesser teams. Which is it? The hypocrisy stinks to high heaven.It is good to be a Coug. Schedules will get tougher, and the Football
team will need to step it up in the coming years. But if they do, there will be
no more barking from fans of wannabe regional schools about relevance or
strength of schedule in whichever of the one sport they are able to put together
in that particular year. National schools can be relevant in more than one
sport at a time.
I'm willing to admit that the top 25 finish is suspect this year. The main
reason to cheer is it how much it bugs the trolls.
Well, I have to smile a bit. BYU football is clearly not one of the
top 25 teams in the country this year -- but they did play a couple of good
games and were able to come back and beat several decent teams.I
enjoyed going to Ole Miss to watch them play, and thought the Tulsa game was
worth watching. The comeback against USU was clearly the high point and
completely changed BYU's season!Good luck to the Cougars! I hope
Riley Nelson survives the inevitable head hunting that he can expect next year.
The back-up QB spot should be an important area of focus . . . .just in case.I am in agreement that Utah fans have a right to pick on this ranking!
As I have said many times in the past the bcs is going bye bye in two. I have
changed my mind, the death bells toll. Read the articles, everyone is in
agreement, it has to go. The main topic is the elimination of the so called AQ
conferences and the pathetic showings. Belonging to one of the aq is going to be
a non event. So much said for the idea of "belonging". Independence
doesn't seem so bad now. The bcs has too many flaws and now everyone is
recognizing the reasons. "Money"The polls will always be a
part of college football, however, they cannot control the teams because of the
bias from one area to another.They will come up with some type of
playoff using the bowls as a path to a true national champion. Even when one
team has an upset of another, there will be opinions and controversy, but it
will be better when everyone has a chance to play for the nc.Good
season BYU and Utah, hopefully both will be better next year.
"Conclusion...Utah had a mediocre year.BYU has had
a mediocre decade."I'm glad you came to that conclusion. Let's
see....2001-2010Utah:5 10+ win seasons5 Top-25
finishesBYU:5 10+ win seasons5 Top-25 finishesI see what you mean. Mediocre decade for BYU = Best decade ever for Utah.
Eddie,You will not be ranked in basketball, you are a 3rd place team
in the WCC. 10 wins against soft opponents will get you ranked in football. That
is how jacked up the rankings in football are. The UTES did it last year beating
up the worst of the MWC, and the Y, lost their tough games, and got ranked. It
does not mean that you are a great team. You barely got wins against Utah St and
Tulsa, neither of which was a good team. They also lost all of their games
against better competition during the season. All it means is the Y scheduled
cupcakes throughout the year, Ole Miss was one of those, got 10 wins, which is
all Bronco cares about, and got ranked. I know all Y fans will take that kind of
season, since they love to be ranked, & that is the end all, be all for
college football. However, fans of better teams would rather have a better
schedule, go undefeated, and make it to a BCS game, or the NC game. Something
that will never happen with Roscoe as the coach, & wanting 10 wins against
the cupcakes of the ncaa
Next September, which memory will be stronger in the Cougars mind as they enter
Rice Eccles Stadium? A #25 ranking in the AP poll, or the 54-10 beat down?
Wow. Many of these posts prove that BYU fans are as delusional as ever. It is
almost as bad as some articles I read on BR yesterday. It is kind of sad really.
@niners"By the way, the only reason BYU is ranked is because
USC is ineligible for the USA today poll."By the way, the only
reason utah had the opportunity to get into the pac12 championship game, despite
a .500 (and later that day sub .500) conference record was because usc was
ineligible.You see how that works? So in the interest of consistency
and non hypocrisy on your part I fully expect that you will never again make any
claims about utah "almost making it to the pac12 championship game" in
their 1st season since in reality they were 3 games out of being in that game
and only could have backed into it because usc wasn't eligible. LOL!
Congrats to Bronco and the Cougars for another 10 win top 25 season. Great
accomplishment. Yes, no NC this year but I was able to watch the last BYU NC at
Thanksgiving on BYUTV. Go Cougars!
As a life long Cougar fan I say this in all humility --- I am embarassed and
ashamed for the way too many snarky and classless comments that have been made
by, I presume, very young and overly enthusiastic BYU fans. Fact is, when
compared to the top ranked teams in the nation BYU was very, very average. My
apologies to all Utah fans who have sincerely offered their congratulations to
us for what we in all probability do not deserve. Good luck to both programs
Let's see, Utah trashed BYU, Colorado beat Utah at home, so Colorado should be
ranked higher than both? Okay. I'm with you. LSU beat 'Bama
earlier so obviously they should be ranked higher. What happened last night was
just an anomaly. Am I getting all this now?
To all u fans....Why bother commenting on BYU articles?Don't you have all the pieces?1. "we are in an AQ
Conference."2. "we get paid a ton of money."3.
"We have 2 BCS wins."4. "we beat you on your home
field."Oh wait...1. AQ is going away, the signs
are there. Guess not so important now.2. So? can you pay your players?
Nope. BYU's done more with less, and now they have even more to do more with.
that's what happens when you have your own ESPN deal and a 65k seat stadium.3. SO WHAT!? It means nothing, and when the BCS goes away it will be just
like BYU's Cotton Bowl win, just another bowl. Terminology changes and the
prestige goes away, so will your two wins.4. Fine. But you didn't do much
the rest of the season. You won the battle, but not the war."But you played WACky teams." "You played nobody." Really? That's the best you got. That didn't matter so much to the
pollsters. I wonder why it means so much to you?A
little green are we?
The Utes didn't beat BYU---Jake did. All by himself. Next year, the Utes won't
have Jake's help.
I agree with Ute fans, obviously the DN influenced the USA Today voting. BYU has
long been known to secretly control content of the national sports news media.
Better look under your bed, Utah fans, one of them could be hiding there.
Rock on, Cougars! Great first year of independence. Can't wait for next season!
I am amazed at some of the comments from BYU fans on this article. Finishing in
the Top 25 is nice, but I cannot believe how much stock some of you put in to
what other people think about you. Anyone who put BYU in the top 25 has
obviously not seen them play. Some of you just love sports where you get to
prove things to voters rather than on the field. If we go by what other people
think, I guess Mormons aren't Christians, and the Nicean Creed must be true,
because after all, it was voted on and that's what was decided. I cannot believe
that in an article about BYU's Top 25 finish, all yo want to talk about is Utah.
I can tell you as a Ute fan I enjoyed this season maybe more than any other.
Why? Because every week, you didn't really know who was going to win. BYU's
schedule was what Utah left when they left the Mountain West. You play a bunch
of JV teams that are "gimme" games and lose to the good teams on your
schedule. The 2011 Cougars are no better than the 2010 Utes, very average.
Re: StarfarerI don't always comment on these articles, it is mostly
pointless. There used to be some playful and good dialog on these articles, but
they have digressed into the lowest common denominator screaming about how great
they are, but let me address something in your comment. "we are in an
AQ conference" This may very well go away as you noted, but that is not
nearly as important as "we are associated with the teams in the PAC
12". This means that no matter what happens in the college landscape, we
will be playing teams like USC, Oregon, Washington, Arizona and UCLA on a yearly
basis while (if ramaining independent) BYU will struggle to schedule good teams.
It is important regardless of whether or not BYU fans are willing to admit it.
The rest of your post is basically ridiculous. We have even more to
do with our more that is more than more more. It does interest me to
find out who you do believe is winning the war though?
Whatsinitforme,We will have Riley's help as well. I seem to remember
him getting slammed to the ground by our great D line, which will only be better
next year, then our 3rd string backup linebacker VJ Fehoko picking up the ball
& running it for a TD. So it was not all Jake. It was JJ, Riley, your D line
for giving up & not tackling Juan Blanco, & your coaching staff. I see
much of the same happening next year, just Riley starting in place of the
quitter, and not having Reynolds to block for Riley. So it could actually be
worse. Maybe 57-6 or something like that with 8 turnovers instead of 7. I guess
we will have to wait and see. That is why they play the game. Too bad though
after this year the UTES might not get to pummel the Cougs anymore. The Pac 12
decided to sign a deal with the Big 10 to start playing those teams every year.
Congratulations to BYU players, coaches and administrators on a wonderful season
capped off by a TOP 25 Ranking.Just a couple of questions for
fans:Could this team have beaten any of the other TOP 25 ranked
Cougar teams of past?Has there ever been a TOP 25 team whipped by 44
points, by their bitter rival, at home, on national television?If
not, BYU truely is #1.
BYU is better than Utah, the polls say so. And we know that the polls are
"BYU beat the teams they were suppose to beat, Utah did not."Dixie Kid:Huh? You must work for BYU's Office of
Circumlocution. Because the real-world logical extension of what you just wrote
means that on September 17 the team that lost was supposed to lose, while the
team that won--BIG--wasn't supposed to win. Typical y fan-spin. But
hey, if it helps you sleep at night instead of tossing and turning over the fact
that Utah was 1-0 against USA Top 25 teams, while BYU was 0-1.
@ Riverton CougarYou forgot to add BCS Bowl victories in your
comparison/equation. Now that's curious?Let me help you little
Fella:Utah 2BYU 0
@ Papa Smurf UTE,Go back and re-read your post. You start off by
saying that I am wrong by saying that our bball team will be ranked, then you go
off on some wild goose chase about football. What I take that to mean is that
you can only take one thing that is yet to be determined and quickly discount
it. I noticed you did not mention anything else I said about our volleyball team
or rugby or anything else, just something that "might" happen. Oh poor
little brother who lives in a one sport town. It must be tuff now that football
is over and you have nothing to cheer for.
So in other words Utah is the only team in the state to beat (and beat bad) a
ranked team! Sweeet!
Ragnar Danneskjold Wow. Many of these posts prove that BYU fans are
as delusional as ever. It is almost as bad as some articles I read on BR
yesterday. It is kind of sad really.And how delusional the u fans
are because they just have to see the headline of this article and just have to
read it and then just have to comment on it again and again and again. I feel so
sorry for your one sport u. Nothing better to do during this long cold winter.
Keep trying to prop yourselves up by reading how wonderful your big brothers are
doing and dream of next football season. Have a nice hibernation.
Eddie,Has any other poster out of the 84 comments so far talked
about Volleyball or Rugby? Not a single one. Everyone is talking about football
& a few about basketball. That is what this debate is about. We could bring
up Ute gymnastics, or the skiing team, or the UTES basketball team that went to
the sweet 16 3 years in a row, Elite 8 twice, & NC in 98, and the Y's
football NC in 84, but those are all irrelevent to what we are talkign about
today, & no one cares about those other tiny little sports. The UTES beat a
bad schedule last year to be ranked, as the Y did this year. You said that the
Y's basketball team will also soon be ranked, but I highly doubt that the 3rd
place team in the WCC will be ranked anytime soon, unless that team wins the
rest of their games, & makes it to the big dance. If that happens, great for
Y basketball, & they will deserve it. So to your point about respect in the
nation for football, I guess the Utes have it as well since they lost big games
last year, & were still ranked. Weird
Eddie, you were one of the first 5 people to comment on this article, & have
made a few more comments along the way. I hope hibernation in your moms basement
up there in wonderful Syracuse treats you well. Come out again for spring ball,
then come out again on August 1st or around then when most fall camps start. We
will talk to you then.
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20/161979 BYU 13/121980 BYU 12/111981 BYU 13/111983 BYU
7/71984 BYU 1/1 National Champions1985 BYU 16/171989 BYU
22/181990 BYU 22/171991 BYU 23/231994 BYU 18/10, Utah 10/81996 BYU 5/52001 BYU 25/242003 Utah 21/212004
Utah 4/52006 BYU 16/152007 BYU 14/152008 BYU 25/21,
Utah 2/42009 BYU 12/12, Utah 18/182010 Utah 23/26 2011 BYU 25/26
@Craig FrantzYou forgot to add BCS Bowl victories in your
comparison/equation. Now that's curious?Let me help you little
Fella:Utah 2BYU 0---------------------
-----------------Also, top 10 rankings between 2000 - 2010:Utah 2BYU 0Top 5 rankings:Utah 2BYU 0
@Riverton Cougar:2001-2010Utah:5 10+ win seasons5
Top-25 finishesBYU:5 10+ win seasons5 Top-25 finishesI see what you mean. Mediocre decade for BYU = Best decade ever for
Utah. --------------FYI, not all 10+ teams or top-25
rankings are equal.The difference, two of those 10+ Ute teams
finished undefeated in the top 5. The last time BYU was ranked that high was in
1996 and undefeated was 1984. If what Utah did this decade is
"mediocre" then why is it that the last time BYU was ranked in the top
10 was in 1996 and undefeated was 1984.
EddieYou can go ahead and pretend that any amount of success that
your volleyball or rugby teams experience will make up for the way you felt when
your football team gave up against the Utes, but we all know better.
How is this significant? I follow my team because I love my team, not because
it gives me a means of putting down somebody else's team. In the moment of
competition I want the Cougars to beat the Utes every time. When the Utes play
against Colorado, Alabama or anybody else, I pull for the Utes, simply because I
am a resident of Utah. I always root for a western-based team over
an eastern-based team. USC vs. Notre Dame, Boise State vs. Oklahoma, Utah State
vs. Auburn, I always hope the western team wins. I also need to disparage Auburn
just because Utah State nearly pulled it off. I don't hate Notre Dame or Florida
- although there are 118 D-1 teams that I like better. I just enjoy the
competition and the game (my son hates it that I stay until the end of a
blow-out, but I just want to watch football/basketball - if all I wanted was the
final score, I can get that on my phone). Complaining because BYU is
ranked or belittling Utah's inclusion in the PAC12 is a dog-in-the-manger
attitude that I don't agree with.
Max, Max, Max...the same can be said about u. Play a bunch of cupcakes, go
undefeated and you get a bcs bowl invite. To ur credit, u won.
Congratulations. Fact is, no one in the country cares any more except u folks
in east sl... just like no one cares about BYU's NC except, lets see, most
people in happy valley, members of the Church and BYU alumni around the world,
and, of course, u fans on this an other blogs who cannot seem to get past it.
@Eddie"Meanwhile, up on the hill, one sport u finishes with ZERO
votes for their one sport"Just because BYU is terrible at
gymnastics doesn't mean it stops being a sport. We draw more for gymnastics than
most arenas have seats for BYU basketball games.
Utesology & Utes FanThanks for the asssist. Utah's 2009 season and
Sugar Bowl victory that year far exceeds anything BYU has accomplished in a
single season. Utah's 2005 season was on par with BYU's 1984 season, to say the
least. Utah certainly played a tougher schedule that year.Nothing against
BYU, I always pull for BYU and Utah State when they are not playing Utah; but
let's keep it in perspective.
BYU is 34th in the Sagarin rankings, Utah is 39th. The two teams are quite
comparable to each other, just as I said they were when Utah was half a dozen
spots ahead of BYU a few weeks ago. (Tulsa was ranked higher than Georgia Tech
which is why they flipped positions after both won). Both teams had good years
and can likely build on them for next year.
Ragnar Danneskjold"We have even more to do with our more that
is more than more more."What?I think you mean that
u can do more with your more?Didn't prove it this year did you? Good
luck proving it next year too.Read the articles. The only people
who are dissing BYU are u fans that can't handle the implosion that has become u
football and basketball. The rest of the nation is moving on.If you
are not just a hater, why are you on this comment board trying to persuade BYU
fans that our point of view is not valid?It is one thing to be a
fan, even a fanatical fan that believes his team can do no wrong (That is a
positive.)It is another to be a hater where anything the other team
does must always be disparaged (That is always a negative.)Tell me
who was ranked higher? There is your winner.As for the future.
That is why they play the game.But, I wouldn't be pounding my u
chest anytime soon.Just try getting into the top 25 next year.
Congrats to the Cougars, top 25 is a nice accomplishment and it truly does speak
to the credibility of your program.Not to detract too much from that
honest compliment but I'd still rather finish 8-5 and out of the rankings while
having played a schedule I was excited to watch every week outside of one
(Montana State).But people can bicker back and forth on this and
accomplish nothing. Both teams had very nice seasons for different reasons with
neither season being incredible.BYU played a terrible schedule outside of
their top 3 or 4 opponents which were all losses but Tulsa (debatable how good
they were).Utah lost to a lousy Colorado team and finished with a 4-5
conference record.The top 25 is nice ... playing a good schedule is nice.
I for one want more than finishing a season 25th, even if it means my team
drops a couple more games.
I can't stop laughing. The trolls' hysterical comments are funnier than the
Sunday's newspaper comics strips!It seems that Captain Ahab's
obession with the white whale pales in comparison with that of the Ute trolls
for all things BYU.Enjoy the off season and remember if you get
bored you can catch BYU basketball on ESPN or BYU-TV anywhere in the country.Have a great day.
Starfairy, If yuo say that the UTES football team is imploding, what
does that say for the team that lost to them 54-10? Had they not played a patty
cake schedule, would the Y football program be imploding as well in your point
of view. You lost to every good team you played. Tulsa and Utah St are average.
I am sure the UTES will try to get into the top 25 next year, will it happen,
who knows. I do know that BYU will most likely try and fail at beating the upper
echelon teams on their schedule. Bronco is great at beating the teams he is
supposed to, where as Kyle may lose to those teams ie UNLV and Colorado. The
difference is Kyle will win the big games and take his team to greater heights,
and Roscoe will be happy with hollow 10 win seasons, firesides the night before
games, and his band of bunglers T shirt. Dont get me wrong, firesides are great,
but concentrate on football during the season, & leave the other things for
Sunday. So if the Utes football program is imploding, so is BYU's
StarfarerAt no time in your 1:30 post did you approach a valid
point. "Tell me who was ranked higher? There is your
winner."The winner is the team at the end of the game with more
points. Pretty cut and dry winner this year.
So much for the Fiasco of Independence theory.
Oops, u must be really good if u can beat a ranked team so decisively. Go
uuuuuuuu....! This must rekindle memories of ur bcs bowl games.
"Tell me who was ranked higher? There is your winner."Stargazer:Uhh, no. The winner was Utah, 54-10. BYU's
nice consolation prize is a Top 25 ranking, earned by virtue of sufficient wins
against a weak remaining home schedule and USC's ineligbility.
My August prediction has come true.BYU will be ranked and with a
bowl win, while Ute fans will be whining.Face it, the utes struggled
and lost to some cupcakes.
@Papa Smurf UTeStop beating the "you played cupcakes" drum
already.Your precious BCS rankings take SOS in consideration. In
the final BCS rankings BYU was ranked #32 and Utah was ranked #49; barely ahead
of Wyoming. As Captain Jack Sparrow said, "You'll have to square with
that."BTW: Calling Bronco "Roscoe" is at best
comically sophmoric. Please my previous post.
Congratulations to BYU on a fine season. I don't really understand all of the
chest bumping and ego inflation going on, but I guess this is how BYU fans
react. Hope they don't act like this using the "we told you so!
Hahahahahaha" attitude if their religion turns out to be "the
Worf,The only cupcake the UTES lost to was Colorado. The other teams
we lost to were on winning streaks of their own while the UTES had injuries. The
differnce is we figured out how to win with those injuries, while the other
teams imploded in the end. Colorado was an ugly loss. Beating a pathetic Ole
Miss team and an even worse Tulsa team on the last play of the game doesn't
really warrant a top 25 ranking, but like the UTES last year, beating pathetic
teams, getting to 10 wins will get you into the top 25. The Y had to have USC
being ineligible to crack the top 25 this year. Amazing how things turn around
for the little kitty cats. All year we hear from you trolls how the UTES only
have a chance at the Pac 12 South title because USC is not eligible, and yet
when USC not being eligible to be ranked gets you ranked in the top 25, it's a
totally differnt thing, and the Cougs are the best thing since sliced bread.
Love the hypocrisy from Worf, Starfairy, Duckhunter, etc. Must be great living
in a land of delusion.
Congrats, Cougars!I'm a ute fan, a little surprised that BYU fans
are rubbing this in Utah fan's faces. Utah has nothing to be ashamed of. Truth
be told, BYU fans shouldn't have Utah on their tongues this season after getting
stomped 54-10 at home by them. On a down year. Besides BYU, Utah has several
quality wins this year despite the lows, including their Sun bowl win against
Georgia Tech. What would BYU fans point to as their 2011 quality
wins? Tulsa? Their "strong finish" after getting hammered by TCU
playing opponents Idaho, New Mexico State, and Hawaii? Beating Tulsa in the BYU
bowl? Their ranking is more a statement of consistent mediocrity than their
ability to beat quality opponents.Utah and BYU football are going to
be around for a long time. Can we just get along and share some respect? I
really want to root for BYU but a lot of the BYU fans are classless.
Ragnar Danneskjold&JohnInSLC You need to get a
refund on your education. Let me spell this out for you in simple terms.BYU.... is in the top 25 (26 in another poll.)Here's the
hard part for you.... Was the u higher or lower than BYU in the polls?It is an easy question to answer.Might take you all day though.Spin it however you want, cry all you want, pout all you want, disparage
BYU to your little hearts content, won't change things. Even though
u beat us, u lost in the final standings.War, set, match, mic
dropped, and I am walking away. I don't need to defend national
polls to u fans who can't do larger than, or smaller than equations. Want to talk basketball?Oh... right... sorry.
Utah won on the field and BYU wins off the field. I'll take the win... err.....
drubbing ON the field. Thats all that matters to me. Its simple and you can't
spin it. 54-10!
Starman:Golly, the clarity of your logic--but not your choice of
words--is blinding. I guess us poor Utes will have to settle for being the only
team in the state that tub-thumped a USA Top 25.
Papa Smurf UTEFunny that you talk about living in a world of
delusion.You know you are on a BYU board, right?Knocking BYU
football to BYU fans, right?Trying to convince them that a top 25 ranking
at the end of the years isn't meaningful, right?Do you really think
you are going to change anyone's mind? (Now that's delusional)The
hypocrisy runs both ways, and you've placed yourself right in the middle of
it.Go find me a post where a BYU fan says that we are the greatest
thing since sliced bread (or anything like it), and I will show you 10 ute (BYU
haters) who post what they THINK BYU fans are saying, even though they aren't
listening. You see u fans are constantly saying BYU fans say this,
and BYU fans say that, but all u are reading are each others (BYU haters)posts
that have no credibility, have no source material, and have nothing to do with
BYU fans. Admit that you just hate BYU, and that nothing they do
will ever be worthy.then ask yourself why you care sooooooo
Macnasty,Once your beloved Duckhunter, Starfarer, Worf and others
stop calling it the Pac 10.2, which is at best comically sophmoric, and I will
stop calling Bronco, Roscoe. Actually I probably wont, since it was your
wonderful TV network who gives you so much exposure, and loves everything Y
football is the one who called Bronco Roscoe. So ESPN must know something about
his name actually being Roscoe and not Bronco. Our BCS win came against a team
who was # 1 for more than 5 weeks of the regular season, and we beat them by
more than the NC did that year, while in their own backyard. We got into a BCS
game with that strength of schedule, & won the game which is better than
being ranked in the top 25. The Y cannot even get into the BCS with a strength
of schedule at 90. What does that say about them? Ask me Ask me, I know I know.
We are great at beating Cupcakes, but cannot win the big game. Also, before you
say it, the Utes lose to bad teams. I already made that point in another post.
JohnInSLCAnd typical U fan spin, if you think your team is a top 25
team based on just one win back in september, then why isn't Byu worthy of a top
25 ranking? based on 10 wins and a bowl win? Oh now its because they played
cupcakes. Well so did the U. Try to spin how Ucla, OSU, Wazzzooo, Zona, etc are
not cupcakes, psssshh. And no, the argument that they are in the Pac is not
valid. Ucla lost to Illinois, hardly a powerhouse team, they lost their last 6
GAMES!! The beavers lost to Sacremento State! nuff said there. Cal lost to Texas
by more than The Y did, Wazzoo, no bowl, ASU destroyed by Boise and so I
could go on and on. Can't show me anywhere in the Pac besides the top 3 where U
played anybody in the Pac worth much.
JohnInSLC Whatever makes you feel better.You killed us.
I never said you didn't. One game, does not a season make.I can live with it.
Papa Smurf UTEWhat was that about hypocrisy? You should read your
post to Macnasty, It could be the definition."we won two bcs
games""we won two bcs games""we won
two bcs games"So? What have you done lately? aren't you the
one always harping on BYU fans living in the past.This years u team,
isn't the 2008 team....by a long shot.
I am amazed at all of the jabs against the U. of U.They are both local
teams and both should be supported. I understand that there can be
healthy rivalry, but this rivalry has become so full of animosity and ugliness
that are out of character for both schools!Maybe it is a good thing
that the two teams are not scheduled to meet after next season.
Boise State and Oklahoma State were both robbed by the BCS system (and by this
OldPortHow 'bout beat a good Georgia Tech team in the Sun Bowl and got a
$2 million pay out?
Aloha99I really appreciate you comments but if you have been around
for any time at all you know the BYU fans take a verbal beating every day from
ute fans. I agree that BYU fans should never retaliate there is more expected
from us! But please remember your words would be the best served to you own fan
base, good season to both cougars and to the Utes. My guess? if riley was
starting the utah game, it would have been a much different game, not saying BYU
wins etc just saying it was close at half and would have been much closer at the
"Try to spin how Ucla, OSU, Wazzzooo, Zona, etc are not cupcakes,
psssshh"jarkarus:Far be it from me to do that. Nor
would I pretend that they are bigger cupcakes than Idaho, Idaho State, New
Mexico State, San Jose State or Ole Miss. And I certainly wouldn't spin how
because we beat some cupcakes we are worthy of a USA Top 25 ranking, much less
revel in it.I leave that to you.
Scoreboard...it's all that matters.Have(some)BYU fans standards
fallen so for that they fill they must beat their chest about being 25th in the
USA Today polls?As a U fan, I EXPECT more than a 25th USA Today
ranking from BOTH teams.Our collective (Utah AND BYU) bar is set
JohnInSLC So now BYU fans shouldn't revel in the FACT they were
voted to be in the Top 25, even though they are, but because your opinion is
that they should not be.Hhhhhmmmm....Who to consider
more credible....The national voters who voted in BYU.... or some
guy named John in SLC?tough one....Let me think...Gosh, it's close but I choose...the people who earned the
right to vote.Not some BYU hater in SLC who might have an ulterior
@y fans- so that means byu is better than texas, notre dame, auburn, washington,
mississipi state, penn state, Florida, and mizzou?? yeah keep dreamin y fans.
everyone knows why you really got that 25th spot and it aint cause yall are
good. its cause you had a 10 win season against one of the worst college
football schedules in america. period.
Gee, all of this hoopla just because BYU is ranked 25th and U are not.
Facts: BYU has a NC in football, BYU was ranked #25 in 2011, U of U et.al. have
been in and won BCS games.The cry from "U" about BYU's
national championship (circa 1984): "Yeah, but who did you
play?"The cry from "U" about BYU's #25 ranking (circa
2011):"Yeah, but who did you play?"The cry from the
national media regarding MWC teams inclusion in BCS games (since 2004):"Yeah, but who did you play?"So, without being a
hypocrite, what's your response?
Utah is switching places with Utah State. Utah State is competing with and
beating better programs while Utah's entire season is a success if they beat
BYU. Even if they lose the rest of their games. A rivalry game is important, but
its where you finish that matters. You have to be able to get up for every game.
Colorado reminded you of that
@macnasty yeah and all you delusinal y fans calling the pac 12 the pac 10.2 is
at best "comically sophmoric"
The title of the article is "BYU football ranked 25th in final USA Today
Top 25 Poll." I found the article to be very accurate to what was
advertised in the title. Sooo...congrats Cougars!However, I'm
confused about all of the comments about the team from the University of Utah, I
didn't see them mentioned in the article?
Starfairy,I actually dont hate BYU at all. I got on this thread
because a friend told me to go read all of the hippocratic garbage that was
being spewed from the mouths of Y fans. That is why I actually got on this board
to read the article and subsequent comments. Not because I hate BYU. I also
never said anything that they do will never be worthy in my eyes. Did their 2
wins on last second plays against awesome Utah St & Tulsa teams mean they
are deserving of a top 25 finish. I guess so since USC was not eligible. All of
you stated last year that the UTES should not finish the year ranked, they did,
& all of you UTE haters, & not Y fans said they didn't deserve it. Now
that the shoe is on the other foot, & UTE fans say the same thing to Coug
fans, we hate everything BYU. We are not UTE fans, only Y haters, & we just
hate the fact that the Y ended the year ranked, & we didn't, & we can
only hold onto 54-10. Talk about delusion. Why do you hate Utah soooooo much?
OldPortD.A.M.On my post to Macnasty I did not say anyhting about us
winning 2 BCS games over and over and over again. I was replying to his comment
about making it to a BCS game with a weaker strength of schedule, and what we
did in that game. I am not living in the past. That game has been over for 3
years now, and the 2011 season is also over. We beat GT in the bowl game, and
now it is on to next year. The only thing from the past that the UTES have over
BYU is the scoreboard. We have that for 1 year until we play again on Sept 15th,
and whomever wins that game will have the scoreboard for another year. Thanks
for all of your awesome advice.
@JayDee"The cry from the national media regarding MWC teams inclusion
in BCS games (since 2004):"Yeah, but who did you play?"----------In 2008, Utah beat 4 top-25 ranked teams which included two
top-10 ranked teams. (Oregon St, BYU, TCU, Alabama). Yes, that is impressive.
To clarify my earlier statement, about BYU beating the teams they were suppose
to. The BYU/Utah game neither team was an overwhelming favorite. So it could
have gone either way, same with the Texas game. They were big favorites against
teams like Idaho and NMSU, they were suppose to win those games.
@ Utehaterforlife"BYU is better than Utah, the polls say so.
And we know that the polls are always right".Polls are skewed
and biased! If you want to know which team was better this past season, you have
to look at the SCOREBOARD!Utah is better than BYU (54-10), the
scoreboard says so and numbers never lie. And we know the scoreboard is always
right!You Cougie fans must be asking yourselves....How can this be?
Why is the scoreboard more accurate than polls?Because the
SCOREBOARD represents the head to head contest and Utah hammered BYU in
convincing fashion. That is why Utah is the better team! duh!
Mark it down, this next year Utah will be ranked 26tn.
Wow. BYU has got this final ranking thing figured out. It goes something like
this: Play and beat 9 easy teams. Then play 3 legitimate teams and get beat,
including getting smashed by your bitter rival by 44 points. But no matter.
Play in a small bowl against an average C-USA non-BCS team. If you win, then
you end up with an inflated 10-3 record. The voters don't really follow a
team's whole season, so the result = ranked #25 (above two of the teams that
beat you).Hey, whatever works.
This was a truly unusual football season. I think what is sometimes hard to
understand here is that teams change during the year. A great example is that
Utah overwhelmed BYU in Provo but lost to Colorado in Salt Lake City. There is no question that BYU is a better team than the team that lost to Utah
back in September On the same note, Utah is a better team than the team that
lost to Colorado Thanksgiving weekend.BYU would love to play Texas,
Utah and TCU one more time. Utah would love to play ASU, Washington and
Colorado over again. Both teams defeated quality teams in their
bowl games after nearly losing the game and literally pulling a win from the
jaws of the defeat dragon.What we are left with is bickering back
and forth. So I suggest before a Utah fans says 55-10 again they
need to say Colorado, ASU, Wash also. Before a BYU fans says top 25 they also
need to say Texas, Utah, and TCU. And both need to quit throwing
flaming barbs back and forth. Very childish!!
Well, congrats to the cougs on finishing ranked in one of the polls!More congrats to the team who pummeled that ranked team by 44 points in their
Congratulations to the Cougars.
QBU -"Utah is switching places with Utah State"____________________Did you really just write that? Did you happen
to notice the two miracles it took for BYU to beat Utah State this year? And
wasn't last year almost the same thing? If anyone is switching places with
USU it appears to be BYU.
@ UtesFanSo, you can't respond as you did without being somewhat
hypocritical.For two of your signature wins over top 25 programs you
chose two "mid-major" teams. The national media discounts those
without a thought because of being in a weak conference. (Not to mention that
"U" are/were from a mid-major conference and played a schedule full of
cupcakes.)Oregon St. finished that year with four losses. (BTW two
sports radio talking heads, just yesterday, in reviewing the U football program
stated that the U "should have" lost both the TCU and OSU games that
year. These are two people who usually give the U plenty of love.)I'll certainly give you that the U's win over Alabama was impressive,
regardless of the Tide's injuries and suspended player status.BYU's
record in 2008 was 10-3, final AP ranking #25BYU's record in 2011 was
10-3, final USA Today ranking #25U are still trying to have it both
ways. Keep spinning.
Pretty sad to see how bad things have gotten in Provo when they barley crack the
top 25 by playing High School teams and everyone one is pumped up about it. The
so called glory days of BYU football are gone for good.
It's good to be a Cougar!
Despite the jealous whining from the kids on the hillTop 25 Finishes
All-Time / Bronco/Kyle EraBYU 18 / 5Utah 7 / 310+ Win
Seasons All-Time / Bronco/Kyle EraBYU 16 / 5Utah 6 / 3Our little brothers seem to be having a hard time understanding that seasons
are judged in their entirety, not by a few cherry-picked results, like beating
an occassional ranked team.The reason BYU is ranked and Utah isn't
-- BYU didn't lose to a 10-loss team.
@alternate "So I suggest before a Utah fans says 55-10 again they need to
say Colorado, ASU, Wash also. Before a BYU fans says top 25 they also need to
say Texas, Utah, and TCU." actually utah fans dont need to say asu, or
washington cause they had absolutely nothin to do with 54-10. think before you
Breaking News --U reports that Mitt Romney's wins in the Iowa Caucus
and New Hampshire primaries really don't count because of the weak
competition....now to the sports.
Whatsnu? Ute nation throwing another tizzy fit because Independent
BYU is once again recognized as having a better overall season than the PAC 10.2
Utes?Get used to it!BYU is one of only 11 teams that has
been ranked 5 of the past 6 years.Utah has NEVER been ranked 5 times
in a 6 year span in their entire history.Just another accomplishment
on a national scale that seems routine for BYU, yet seems impossible for lesser
BYU(10-3) Top 25Utah(8-5) unrankedObviously, finishing
with a losing record in the "conference of so-called champs" didn't
impress the rest of the country nearly as much as it did the kids on the hill.
Hahahahahaha, oh what a fun time reading all these postings. You all crack me
up. For those of us who are "true fans", thanks for the football
memories BYU and Utah.
Nice spin, Uteology, but the final ranking is THE FINAL RANKING; the final grade
for the season. It doesn't matter if you got an "A" on the difficult
tests, but failed the easy tests, your grade for the semester is still going to
be a "C", for average.AP/Coaches Final Top Top 251964 Utah UR/141977 BYU 20/161979 BYU 13/121980 BYU 12/111981 BYU 13/111983 BYU 7/71984 BYU 1/1 National Champions1985 BYU 16/171989 BYU 22/181990 BYU 22/171991 BYU 23/231994 BYU 18/10, Utah 10/81996 BYU 5/52001 BYU 25/242003 Utah
21/212004 Utah 4/52006 BYU 16/152007 BYU 14/152008 BYU
25/21, Utah 2/42009 BYU 12/12, Utah 18/182010 Utah 23/26 2011
BYU 25/26BYU has excelled and finished in the Top 25 EIGHTEEN times,
SEVENTEEN times in both polls; Utah only 7 times, and only 5 times in both
polls.Bronco has THREE Top 15 finishes.Kyle has only ONE Top
The only statistic that means squat when measuring a college football power
house:BCS victories:Utah 2, BYU 0, zero, natta, zilch, zipPut that in your chocolate milk and sip it.BYU can have the
ranking of #25.I'll take score board, what was the score of this year's
game in Provo again?
The comments here would have you think that BYU beat Utah 54-10.
@ 112 PackUtah a college football power house? OK, I'll play along
and give you two years with that title to go with your two BCS wins.I won't go so far as to call BYU a powerhouse...but as a college football
"power"...I'll take three decades...and counting.
The only thing that matters is Bama is champion. The rest is just filler.
@ 112 PackTell that to LSU and maybe they will feel better. BCS
victories just mean more money and not much else. The polls are a better
indication of the body of work for a total season. The Y lost to the U but the
bigger loss was the U losing to Colorado. That logic seems to escape U fans,
naturally.Nice spin on your part, though, I must admit.PS There's also a little thing called the National Championship some schools,
like Alabama, use to measure there success. U has "0, zero, natta, zilch,
@StarferererererComparing the Cotton Bowl with the Rose Bowl just
shows your true lack of knowledge of college football. Utah every year will
have a shot at the Rose Bowl-PAC-12vsBig-10 You guys go ahead and take your
Cotton Bowl. I just cannot believe all these Cougar fans who get on this and
have things to say about Utah. If I got whipped by someone that bad I would
just keep my mouth shut, and wait until next year. You're football program is
not even close to Utah's and I trully can't wait until next year, we will kill
re: Utehaterforlife | 11:26 a.m. Jan. 10, 2012 Knowing Cougar fans,
the polls are right in this case.Y? Because, its all about
@JayDee"(Not to mention that "U" are/were from a mid-major
conference and played a schedule full of cupcakes.)"----------You also are spinning if you want credit for this year's BYU
top-25 ranking but then call Utah's 2008 season schedule "full of
cupcakes" since BYU was one of the 2008 ranked teams that Utah beat (the
worst one, I might add). It spins both ways, bro.While you are busy
spinning the opposite direction as I am, you might consider the Mt. Everest your
logic is trying to overcome:Utah vs. BYU1) 54 - 102) 3
out of the last 43) 7 out of the last 104) 3 out of the last 5 Utah
victories have been blowouts of 24 points or more.5) We have to go all the
way back to 1996 to get a decent victory of BYU over Utah, 37â17.All the 5 points above should give any Cougar fan more fear than an undersized
offensive lineman going up against Utah's Star Lotulelei.I have no
disrespect for BYU whatsoever, and acknowledge their successful program. Just
don't take away from that which Utah has obviously accomplished.
112 PackSorry to burst your crimson bubble, but the ONLY statistics
that mean squat when measuring a college football power house:NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS (the gold standard of team accomplishments)BYU - 1Utah - 0HEISMAN TROPHY (the gold standard of
individual accomplishments)BYU - 1Utah - 0Call us
when U actually win something meaningful on a national scale.
per 112 Pack | 7:18 p.m. Jan. 10, 2012 Thanks for the laughs & I
@112 PackBYU's Top 25 finish goes into the national record booksUtah's win in Provo goes into Utah's media guide as the highlight of the
seasonCongratulations on joining Northwestern in the "we beat a
Top 25 team, but we also lost to one of the worst teams in the country"
Why do ute fans teumpet a win over BYU?IT was only win over non-BCS
team, a team you all claim was not very good in the first place.why make a it a big deal?actions (numerous ute comments
posted) speak louder than their words.
Beating a PAC team on the road, an SEC team on the road, and defending CUSA
champion at home is at least worth some credit. Seeing how the first two
conferences pound their chests at how mighty they are, BYU needs credit for
beating them on the road. They also beat every team they should have beaten.
Wait, they demolished every team they should have beaten.
Utes FanWhen will U ever learn that one game does not a season
make?If Utah stopped losing to teams like Wyoming, Colorado State,
UNLV, New Mexico, and Colorado, maybe all those head-to-head wins against BYU
would mean something. Why do you even bother playing a full season, when U only
care about one game?It's funny how little things have changed since
the 80's -- BYU is STILL Utah's bowl game, the only game that counts in the eyes
Why do Utah fans like Uteology put so much stock in beating Top 25 teams, but
then spend so much time trying to convince yourselves that being a Top 25 team
doesn't mean anything -- if it's BYU?Either U pounded a team in
September that improved to be a Top 25 team by the end of the season, or U
pounded a team that was never any good and the highlight of your season was a
@ UteFans (7:44)Congratulations! You finally made it to the point I
was making all along. (Which was...U denigrate the Y and U denigrate
yourself...and vice versa). Now you see how the spinning works...or
better yet doesn't. So U acknowledge the rankings and NC...and of course we
acknowledge 54-10 and two BCS wins (with schedule, conference, no-conference and
other caveats included) or otherwise it's all circular nonsense. I agree with
you totally!...Except for the part about BYU fans being scared. Next
year is a new team, new faces (especially QB), new dynamic. I don't fear...or
predict...I'll just enjoy.
@phoneixBronco has THREE Top 15 finishes.Kyle has only ONE Top 15
finish.--------Yet no one from the BCS wants the diva
down south, and I'm not just talking about Bronco.Again congrats but
I think we can all agree that with a SOS 90 BYU should have gone at least 12-1,
see Houston for an example.
TrueBlueSorry to burst your crimson bubble, but the ONLY statistics that
mean squat when measuring a college football power house.------------Sorry to break to you but power house programs don't
celebrate a win at home over Utah State by storming the field.
@Truth Machine Highlight of our season was finishing 4th overall in
the PAC-12 after just one year of recruiting under the PAC-12 banner.The low light of our season was losing to Colorodo.Thumping BYU by
44 points @LES ... priceless!
TrueBlue said:"112 PackSorry to burst your crimson
bubble, but the ONLY statistics that mean squat when measuring a college
football power house:NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS (the gold standard of
team accomplishments)BYU - 1Utah - 0HEISMAN TROPHY
(the gold standard of individual accomplishments)BYU - 1Utah -
0Call us when U actually win something meaningful on a national
scale."That only matters to BYU fans. If it meant anything to
the rest on college football. BYU would have been invited to a power conference
a long time ago. BTW your Heisman winner did not exactly light up the NFL.
Nice to see BYU fans aspire to a lower standard yet again. You make fun of
Utah's loss to Colorado, but covet a 25 ranking? The only thing that matters is
number one. All you get for 25 is a bucket of green jello and a bag of rhodes
Dang it! I knew we should have joined Conference-USA! How will we ever get
ranked?!? We didn't do it our first year in the PAC-12, so it will probably
never happen.54-10! And we'd beat BYU again if we played again with
the players left at the end of the season. But congrats on the top
25, enjoy another 10 win season and many more to come as long as they keep
scheduling the teams they schedule. They may even beat a good team once in
To papasmurfute:"Beating a pathetic Ole Miss team and an even
worse Tulsa team on the last play of the game doesn't really warrant a top 25
ranking"Tulsa finished 8-5, just like the Utes! So what,
exactly, are you saying about 8-5 teams? I don't want to read anything into
your comments that you didn't mean... ;-)
BYU earned their ranking by finishing the season strong. Congrats on a another
10 win season and top 25 finish Cougars! Utes arent ranked and rightfully so,
you cannot lose to a lousy two-win colorado team and expect to finish ranked.
Ute whining is music to my ears.
Neither BYU or Utah deserve to be ranked in the top 25, but this is pretty
funny! It's just a little poke in the eye for newest member of 'the conference
of champions.' The fact that you beat your rival by 44 points in September and
by January they make the top 25 and you don't? That's hilarious! Utah is the
Rodney Dangerfield of college football!
Wow.....I read these comments from BYU fans and I just laugh. Please, for the
love of college football, stop embarrassing yourselves. Seriously,
congratulations on cracking the top 25, but let me help you connect the dots.
I want you to come up with the wittiest comment on how
"terrible" Utah's football team is. Got it? Okay, now combine that
with this lovely memory:54-10. On YOUR home field.Thanks
@ NightOwlAmericaRemind us again how many ute QB's have won a Super
UU702 | 12:04 p.m. Jan. 10, 2012 Layton, UT So in other words Utah
is the only team in the state to beat (and beat bad) a ranked team! Sweeet!And the only team in the state to lose to a pathetic 2-win colorado
Best entertainment of the season, right here, right now and it's all because the
children on the hill can't stand being second to BYU.Geewiz Utesies,
it isn't hard to accept reality and to move on. But for a program that was hyped
to win the South Division, a shot at the championship, a parade and a Rose
Bowl... well it just didn't happen. It was not to be and how foolhardy the fan
in believing a perrennial second or third place MWC conference team would go
anywhere near the top tier in the PAC 10.2Most of you said BYU would
fail in its foray into independence. It didn't. Everyone said BYU would never
get an invite to an AQ conference. Two conferences wanted BYU but wanted too
many concessions.BYU is #25 because you lost to a 2-10 team in your
own stadium. Flukes happen as we all know. Deal with it.How many
weeks until camp? Not until the Utes suffer through a lot of basketball.Way to go BYU. Congrats in your Top 25 showing. Not too bad for your
first season. Schedule will improve next fall.Ute football... not so
@JayDeeNot so fast. I only pointed out the rankings to make sure you
understood that you were spinning yourself. BYU being ranked 25 this
year is negated by Utah's blowout victory over them. The rankings are imperfect
and the rankings alone are a poor way of determining how good a team is. Utah,
in 2008, won all games, and won a BCS bowl. Those are the arguing points. The
2008 ranked teams Utah beat factor in, but they down the list of importance once
it is acknowledged that there was a BCS bowl win and perfect season. Also,
head-to-head competition is a more powerful arguing factor, as long as the win
is convincing. Meaning, if Utah had beat BYU by only 3 points this year, I would
raise the white flag and acknowledge the ranking and probably admit BYU had the
better year. But since the Utah victory was by 44 points, the ranking lies below
that - Utah was the better team this year by far (44 points). I
bring up Utah's victories over 4 ranked teams in 2008 only to emphasize the real
point - they were a perfect team, and beating ranked teams makes the strong
point even stronger - the rankings are not the point, but only add to it. If BYU
had beat Utah this year, the ranking would add to the point - not replace it.
But since BYU got blown out by Utah this year by 44 points, the top-25 ranking
is meaningless.Got it?
@foolishchild "Tulsa finished 8-5, just like the Utes! So what, exactly,
are you saying about 8-5 teams? I don't want to read anything into your comments
that you didn't mean... ;-)" tulsa played in the conf-usa... that should
tell you everything you need to know about the difference of utah and tulsa.
another key point... 54-10 on byus on field. tulsa lost to a very very sorry byu
team. stop actin like the two teams (utah and tulsa) competition was even
@Swoop"It's funny how little things have changed since the 80's --
BYU is STILL Utah's bowl game, the only game that counts in the eyes of
Utedom."------------Uh, the Sun Bowl victory was more
important. So was the victory in the Poinsettia Bowl, the Sugar Bowl, the Fiesta
Bowl, etc. While beating BYU has been nice, don't kid yourself - the bowls have
mattered far more to us. If you think beating BYU compares to winning the Sugar
Bowl or Fiesta Bowl, then you need to seriously re-evaluate your logic.
@utes fan lets not forget byu has NEVER been to a bcs bowl game while utah has
been to 2 and WON both so byu doesnt understand what its like to actually have
an important bowl game so you cant blame them for thinking THEY are utahs bowl
game..... hahahahaha what a laugher that is.
@UtesFan "BYU being ranked 25 this year is negated by Utah's blowout
victory over them."Apparently the voters disagreed, which is
why BYU is ranked in the top 25 and Utah isn't even sniffing it. I
know it stings, Ute fans, but coaches around the country voted BYU into the top
25 and left U out. Guess that 44 point fluke win over your rival couldn't get
the bad taste of losing to a 2-10 team at home out of the mouths of the
voters.Better luck next year.Go Cougars!
Uteology | 8:46 p.m.Highlight of our season was finishing 4th
overall in the PAC-12 after just one year of recruiting under the PAC-12
banner.-------I think you mean 8th. Utes lost to the two
teams they tied for 6th.--------Uteology | 8:38 p.m. Again congrats but I think we can all agree that with a SOS 90 BYU
should have gone at least 12-1-----Do you mean they should've
beaten everyone except TCU? Hard to argue with that. Hard to argue
with "The low light of Utes' season was losing to Colorodo." I'd call
it embarrassing. (It is Colorado, btw, not Colorodo.) The Ute game was the
BluCoug said:"@ NightOwlAmericaRemind us again how
many ute QB's have won a Super Bowl?"Leave it to a BYU fan to
change the subject when the debate is lost.Nothing was said about SB
winners, only the Heisman winner.Stay on topic please.
@NightOwlAmericanight owl you need to stay on topic as well, all he
did is mention the fact that byu has a heisman trophy winner, and thats all.
then i believe you went "off topic" and mentioned the NFL. ......
that's weird.I still think the whole national championship argument
is funny and valid. man the good old glory days! p.s.
ute fans why do you care? so what you mauled BYU, big deal. The beauty of
college football is that come summer, its a whole new ball game. right??
SirTipsALot65 said:"@NightOwlAmericanight owl you
need to stay on topic as well, all he did is mention the fact that byu has a
heisman trophy winner, and thats all. then i believe you went "off
topic" and mentioned the NFL. ...... that's weird.....?"EPIC FAIL!Its only weird when you don't pay attention to the post.
Ty Det did not win a super bowl. Who cares about the others from BYU. They did
not win a Heisman.
Glad to see so many Utah fans content to bask in the reflected light of their
upper echelon conference foes.After a few brief years in the upper
echelon of the MWC, the Utes are back to being the Colorado State, Wyoming or
New Mexico of the PAC 12, content to finish in the bottom half of the conference
as long as they can pull off an occassional win against their rivals down
south.Final Sagarin Rankings#34 BYU#35 Tulsa#39 Utah#56 Ga Tech#64 Arizona#66 UCLA#69
Pittsburgh#83 Washington State#87 Oregon State#95 Montana
StateWhether Utah fans want to admit it or not, Utah's fluke
7-turnover gifted win over BYU was the highlight and most significant win of
Utah's season; no other win even close.------------------Utes Fan "the Sun Bowl victory was more important"Sorrym, the Armed Forces Bowl loser (Tulsa) finished ahead of the Sun
Bowl winner (Utah).Utah's Sun Bowl win barely produced a blip on the
college football radar - the win only moved the Utes up one spot in the rankings
from 38th to 37th.BYU's Armed Forces Bowl win vaulted BYU past Utah
from 44th to 34th.
@NOAtwo words: reading comprehensionWhich of these is
not like others?Heisman Trophy winning QBSuper Bowl winning
QBBYU QBNational Championship winning QBSammy Baugh winning
QBDavey O'Brien winning QBNational College Hall of Fame QBUtah
QBGet back to us when you've figured it out.
Independence was supposed to give BYU exposure. I sure hope those being exposed
to BYU aren't reading any of these comments. What a terrible representation of
what the LDS church is supposed to be about. Luckily I know better and do
respect BYU as an institution.Congrats on the top 25, see you next
year at RES for the next installment.
"I am a Utah man, sir and I live across the green..." with envy.See you next year; don't count on BYU sitting on the ball inside the 20
with plenty of time left to salt the game away with a TD.
"What a terrible representation of what the LDS church is supposed to be
about."To the contrary, most fans outside Utah would be
impressed with how tolerant BYU fans are with their arrogant little brothers on
sportsfanforlife | 10:31 p.m. Jan. 10, 2012 Salt Lake City, UT@utes
fan lets not forget byu has NEVER been to a bcs bowl game while utah has been to
2 and WON both so byu doesnt understand what its like to actually have an
important bowl game so you cant blame them for thinking THEY are utahs bowl
game..... hahahahaha what a laugher that is.---------Did the
Utes win the AP or Coaches' National Championship in those important games?
Where do they keep the National Championship Trophies? I forget. As will
history. But you go ahead and keep screaming "2 BCS! 2BCS!" for the
next 50 years.
LonestarRunner | 11:47 p.m. Jan. 10, 2012 Salt Lake City, UT@NOAtwo words: reading comprehensionWhich of these is not like
others?Heisman Trophy winning QBSuper Bowl winning QBBYU
QBNational Championship winning QBSammy Baugh winning QBDavey
O'Brien winning QBNational College Hall of Fame QBUtah QB----------You forgot NFL HOF QB
JohnInSLC | 3:30 p.m. Jan. 10, 2012 Cottonwood Heights, UT"Try
to spin how Ucla, OSU, Wazzzooo, Zona, etc are not cupcakes, psssshh"jarkarus:Far be it from me to do that. Nor would I pretend
that they are bigger cupcakes than Idaho, Idaho State, New Mexico State, San
Jose State or Ole Miss. And I certainly wouldn't spin how because we beat some
cupcakes we are worthy of a USA Top 25 ranking, much less revel in it.I leave that to you.----------See, here is the thing BYU
obsessed people don't get: BYU didn't make up the rankings, and BYU fans don't
have to spin them. They are what they are. Coaches voted, including Kyle
Whittingham, and guess what? The COACHES chose BYU -- and none of them voted
for Utah. Those are just the facts. Spin is when you bring in extraneous
"facts," are call a thing something it isn't. BYU is ranked. Saying
they aren't, or shouldn't be? That is spin.
"Did you happen to notice the two miracles it took for BYU to beat Utah
State this year? And wasn't last year almost the same thing?"It
seems you have forgotten the miracles (more than 2) it took Utah to beat BYU the
year before with your beloved Wynn against a true freshman QB who was playing
with broken ribs. Also, in fairness to USU, they would have beat the U this
LOL i love all these byu fans saying oh we're in the top 25 we're better than
you when the whole reason they're even in the top 25 in one poll is cause usc
was ineligible for that poll. and its funny cause the whole season werent they
the ones talkin about the only reason utah was in a position for the conf.
championship was cause usc was ineligible??? oh how the irony works with these
delusional fans. they'll spin anything to work in their favor but if its utah
its cause it got handed to them and they didnt deserve it hahahaha wow what a
bunch of hypocrits.
@UtesFanI woke up and read your post and was disappointed. My belief
that you were a rational and thoughtful "Utes Fan" (instead of Y
hater) was dashed. I guess you didn't realize my point, that when either side of
the rivalry puts on their colored glasses and spins around until they get dizzy
the truth (or facts) don't matter.This is evidenced in your last
statement "the top 25 ranking is meaningless".It's only
"meaningless" to U. (Go ahead and say it only means something to Y
fans. Obviously the pollsters voted them there...right?)They are
ranked 25. That's a fact. The college football world views the entire BYU season
as better than the U's. The U won two BCS bowls recently ...7 years
now for the first? (No one is taking it away from you, so relax). But you
finished 2011 with a losing record in conference. You are not ranked when your
season's body of work is considered...this year. It is what it is...all your
protestations that the rankings are meaningless aside. Get real.
I love how BYU fans hang their hat on the National Championship. They only
National Champion that never beat a top 20 team from the final poll; and beat a
6-5 team in the bowl game. Wow, impressive. Totally pale in
comparison to Utah's undefeated season(s). Especially the Sugar Bowl season!
There's your cue BYU spin doctors! Spin it Baby!
sportsfanforlife Is it more delusional to be an excited fan that
your team was in the top 25 (No matter the reason)...or....Come on to a BYU comment board to tell BYU fans that they are not worthy of
it?Is it more hypocritical that BYU fans are happy that they got
into the top 25 because USC wasn't eligible...or...u
using the argument of USC, when USC had NOTHING to do with why u DID NOT play in
the Conference championship game (you lost to Colorado, remember?)Here's a novel idea, u fans.Go away. Quit worrying about BYU. We
won't miss you I promise.If we are delusional, so be it, why do you
care?If we are hypocritical, so be it, why does it matter to you.If you are so much better, go be better. But your SOS, power
ratings, AND the final polls PROVE otherwise. Prove it next season, cause this
one is over.You want BYU to accept there place,....Accept yours.We were a top 25 team in our first year of
independence.You were barely and average team in your first year of
the pac 12.
The fact is,BYU garnered enough votes to be ranked in the top 25Utah did not get one voteSo be it.Woulda Coulda
Shoulda did not happen.Everyone has an opinion and the opinions of
the voters was that the Y deserved the votes and the U did not. Don't rag on the
Y or it's fans, get in touch with those who voted for the Y and did not vote for
Why are BYU fans so concerned with what Utah fans think?BYU finished
ranked higher. Per the computer rankings, this is correct.Utah clobbered
BYU, but laid a big egg against Colorado.Both teams finished with nice
bowl victories.Both teams had a good, but not great season.I try to
always pull for BYU when they aren't playing Utah, but some of the very pointed
and paranoid comments by over zealous BYU fans make this more and more difficult
to do.Good Luck to both programs; and Utah State too!
112 PackIt needs no spin. BYU received the NC the way every other
team has received it, by the votes.By anyone's measure outside of
SLC... and obviously yours...NC > 2 BCS wins.There is
only one team trophy that transcends year over year...and it is not
a bowl trophy, no matter what the flavor of the month is that they call it...
upper tier, new years day, BCS, what ever it is going to be called in the
future...It is a National Championship.Spin that all you
want. You just look petty.
@sportzfan those TWO bcs games were WAY more of an accomplishment than your
undeserved nc over a team that WASNT EVEN .500 get over yourself. everyone
including yourself knows you didnt deserve that nc. win a bcs game and get back
to me.its amazing yall kept cryin this year about how utah didnt deserve
to be in a bowl game with their record but you delusional fans keep braggin
about your nc over a team who wasnt even .500 hahahaha wow.
112 pack -- Don't overlook the "the very pointed and paranoid comments by
over zealous [u] fans..."
@starfarer and you ARE NOT a top 25 team. everyone sees the miracle it took for
you to be there (usc not eligible) so stop tryin to convince me that you are
cause i know you are not. and as far as SOS goes thats not even an argument.
check your facts before you look foolish
LOL you y fans seriously need to get a clue. you were only voted in cause sc
wasnt eligible. everyoe including yourselves know that fact. stop beating your
chest especially saying you're better than the teams receiving votes cause we
already know you lost to one of em. and you're def. not better than notre dame,
florida, miss. st., etc. get a clue y fans.
@JayDeeI didn't say the top 25 ranking was meaningless, I said:
"But since BYU got blown out by Utah this year by 44 points, the top-25
ranking is meaningless."Meaning, given that BYU lost to Utah by
44 points now makes the top 25 ranking above Utah meaningless. My
point is the following: (and this goes for all Cougar fans). If you think that
losing to your rival recently 70% of the time, and about half the time by
blowouts, and this year by 44 points is not worth consideration, then so be it.
Your logic is seriously flawed, but you can think what you want. I would lay
down money on a bet that the national voters didn't even think or remember that
Utah had blown BYU out by 44 points when they made the vote. The voting just
doesn't consider that - that is how it works, and thus it is flawed and
imperfect. It is just opinions. FACT: Utah beat BYU by 44 points. If
you would be HONEST, I think you would trade places with Utah this year. Most
Cougar fans would admit it.Again, I have no animosity to BYU. I am
active LDS, and admire the school. It's just that I hate bad logic :).
Cougars76Totally understand, it goes both ways.Mesa AZBig
difference between winning a National Championship prior to the formulation of
the BCS. BYU may not have even had the opportunity to play for the NC under the
current format, and make no mistake, they wouldn't have played a 6-5 team in the
championship. That's just the facts! Question, what's more impressive: BYU's
undefeated team of 1984; or Utah's of 2009 (and 2005 for that matter)? Which
team played a tougher schedule, and a tougher bowl opponent?We shall find
out if Mesa is impartial, or looking through blue colored glasses. From an
unbiased point of view the answer is obvious. Also, I don't fault BYU for
the 1984 NC, but the format was a lot differen't back then.
@ Utes FanStill spinning eh...You despise bad
logic...yet...You say: "BYU lost to Utah by 44 points now makes
the top 25 ranking above Utah meaningless."By that logic...OK
State's loss to mediocre Iowa State makes every game they played thereafter,
including a victory over the Conference of Champion flagbearer, Stanford...as
well as their top 5 ranking...meaningless?So sad you can't accept
what the rest of informed college football observers across the nation have
concluded. But that seems to be what Y hate does to someone.
You beat Ole Miss! They finished 2-10. Why would you use that in your point?
Because they are ann SEC squad? but your BYU your supposed to beat a bad team
@JayDee"But that seems to be what Y hate does to someone."You need to read my posts again.
crowntown1U lost to a 2-10 at HOME didn't you??? hahahaha
crowntown1Wow if you lost at home to a 2-10 team, how bad would U
have lost to a 2-10 on the road???
It doesn't take rocket science to figure out if you play one of worse schedules
in the country that it's going to be really easy to have a ten win season. If
the Y new tradition is to play pathetic high school teams every year, and loose
to anytime team that has pulse I have lost interest in watching them. I would
be not be pounding my chest after beating Idaho, Hawaii, Idaho State, San Jose
State, Utah State, Ucf, and New Mexico State. Beating 2-10 sec team and getting
killed by a fifth placed pac twelve team tells me everything i all ready know
about the 2011 team.
crowntown1Wow if you lost at home to a 2-10 team, how bad would U
have lost to a 2-10 on the road??? ------Wow, and you lost to that
team 54-10 at home, how bad would U have lost on the road???
Glad to see there is no shortage of wine but wheres the cheese? Most of these
post by fans on both sides are pointless, well unless they start playing games
on paper instead of a field. The fact of the matter is if either side was truly
satisfied with "their" teams season they wouldn't care to argue about
most of this crap. I do have to say my favorite thing about these arguments are
the people who want to bring up all the past accomplishments of players or of
the team they support yet dismiss any the other side may bring up. "Now
that's funny, I don't care who you are!" - Larry the Cable Guy
LonestarRunner | 11:47 p.m. Jan. 10, 2012two words: reading
comprehensionWhich of these is not like others?Heisman
Trophy ... BLAH ....Get back to us when you've figured it out. ---------------I got it, all are awards won by Edwards/Chow
recruits.Get back to us when Bronco/Doman get you back to the 1996
"The COACHES chose BYU"Sportzfan:I presume you
meant the sports info directors to whom many coaches hand the ballot to
complete. And several coaches who do vote are blatantly biased. Maybe you didn't
know that Roscoe was a voting member this year? In fact, in the last ballot
where coaches votes were released, before the bowls (the final ballot, where
they are TOLD who to rank No. 1, is secret), Roscoe had BYU at No. 22 and did
not rank No. 18 Georgia at all. Hmmmm.As a result the coaches poll
is widely considered to be next to useless as a true measure of rankings. No
wonder ESPN quit sponsoring that poll several years ago.But hey, it
looks good on YOU!
112 PackAnd you also got blown out 2 times at home, guess U won't be
looking forward to playing those teams on the road.
Re: 112 pack Who are you refering to? We never lost to a 2-10 team.
I am not a Utah or Byu fan.
Posters My team never lost to a 2-10 team.
crowntown1 | 12:56 p.m. Jan. 11, 2012 Corona, CA Your team
lost 54-10 at home and quit half way through the 3d quarter.Congrats.
54-10 I thought I made it clear I am neither a BYU or Utah fan. Try
reading my earlier posts.
PostersAt least it's clear who my team is.
@ Jarka rusActually, I'm sure Utah looks forward to avenging those
loses. Now if we got beat by say 44 points, I'd be concerned.
@ Jackass-rus"Wow if you lost at home to a 2-10 team, how bad
would U have lost to a 2-10 on the road???"Wow! If BYU lost at
home by 44 points to a team that lost to Colorado, how bad would BYU have lost
if the game was played in Salt Lake???
Re: 112 I hope BYU plays SC in the next couple years so we can drop
50 on you. BYU Football has hit the ceiling.
Some confused Ute fans seem to think their rival finished ranked and it has them
hacked off. Guess what? Your rival finished (3-10), nowhere close
to ranked, and with a win over you.Whining over what happens with
BYU is like a Texas A&M fan being concerned about developments at Duke.
"As a result the coaches poll is widely considered to be next to useless as
a true measure of rankings. No wonder ESPN quit sponsoring that poll several
years ago.But hey, it looks good on YOU!"So BYU
finished one spot back in the poll which ESPN sponsors. You made a heck of a
"So BYU finished one spot back in the poll which ESPN sponsors. You made a
heck of a case."Wonton:Yeah, you got me there; the
DNews probably WOULD have written an article about the y being among
"others receiving votes" and all the cougies would be crowing about
Reading this stuff is comic relief! Nice competition you have here between the
two schools. I can't believe BYU fans are gleeful about a Top 25 finish. Is that
all you want? That's pathetic. People down here down settle for that kind thing.
We play to win. The goal is to be number one. Not schedule a bunch of
sisters-of-the-poor to paddy cake yalls schedule.And congrats to
Utah in a way. You are in a big time conference. Funny thing is BYU is trying to
act big time since you joined the PAC. You would not last in any major
conference. You would choke just like you did to Utah at home and Texas on the
Hey Cougee fans. Edwards was a good coach that developed a lot of good QBs. But
you can't be serious about the 84' title. Had you played anyone in the top 10
that year you would have lost. The title you won was a glorified WAC
championship game over a 6-5 team. Get serious. If you want to make a point
join a BCS conference. The world does not revolve around your program. Other
schools including my Noles have won the title as well.
CrowntownYou must have me mistaken for a BYU fan; and no I don't
hate BYU. This Utah fan has the up most respect for USC, and hopefully we gained
some at the Coliseum this season. It was a heck of a game.
@semibob dont bring up fsu that brings back horrific nightmares for y fansas
they watched fsu drug them in they own place...
Despite all of the whining and spin and desperate attempts at deflection by our
BYU-obsessed little brothers on the hill, at the end of the day:BYU(10-3) #25 Coaches, #26 AP, #34 SagarinUtah(8-5) no votes
Coaches, no votes AP, #39 Sagarin, 8th in the PAC 12and one of the
worst basketball teams in country to look forward to.Congratulations
Utah on playing 49th toughest schedule in the country; can't wait to see the new
banner.BYU will simply add another Top 25 finish to its record and
move on - something we've become very accumstomed to doing since 1977.
@cougars- annoying little brothers.... EPIC FAIL hahahaha
sportsfanforlifeEPIC FAIL is a wanna-be divisional contender getting
dominated at home by a 10 loss team amd finishing with a losing conference
record.BYU = Top 25Utah = midPAC also ran
@sportsfanforlifeEPIC FAIL would be basing your entire season on a
supposedly meaningless game against an irrelevant "former rival," and
then getting smoked at home by your "new rival" with the division
title riding on an easy win over one of the worst teams in the country.Instead of wasting all of your energy on BYU, you should have saved a little
for the rest of the season.
sportsfanforlifeMore like EPIC SUCCESS!!!BYU finishing
in the Top 25 has the entire MUSS wallowing in utter despair wondering "how
did that just happen?"
no epic fail would be to say utahs only chance at being in the divisional game
was cause usc was ineligible but then claim the top 25 when usc wasnt eligible.
see how that works? maybe not cause y fans obviously have no clue whats going on
hahahaha. and i love all the "dominated" at home talk hahaha losing by
3 on a missed field goal is getting dominated? really? then what is losing by 44
on your home field???
@sportscenter and uteanymous EPIC FAIL once again hahaha nice try tho. come
back when you have a real comeback. and stop using other teams' wins over utah
cause you got absolutely drugged by them on your HOME field hahaha keep tryin
tho delusional fans.
I'm puzzled from where this lifetime fan suddenly came from.After reading
the posts, it seems obvious they are fueled by something other than clear
thinking and objectivity.So, I guess I'll ignore such and move
on...Congratulations on your season Cougars. It's great you have
another year of national recognition being ranked by college football observers,
coaches, media, etc. around the country...except for an angry and confused small
group of holdouts in a little red schoolhouse on the hill.Enjoy the
offseason. I look forward to seeing what spring ball brings with Riley at the
reigns, a year of experience for an OC to draw upon, and the return of most of a
stellar defense.Thanks for your efforts...from an appreciative fan
@jaydee yawn..... NEXT
@jaydee hahaha clear thinking and objectivity hahahaha coming from a y fan??
That's cool. I figured BYU would get the slight edge over Northern Illinois (who
finished with a slightly better record, but with a slightly worse schedule). I
was a little surprised to see them ahead of Penn State, but I think a few voters
were swayed by the scandal.Still, the arrogance is astounding.I'm curious if these BYU fans are finally able to admit that '10Utah
finished ranked.Why?Many on these boards downplayed the
Utes #23 ranking in the coaches poll last year. Their favorite quote was
"Utah went from #5 to unranked." Which was completely bogus, as they
finished ranked. Ironically the Utes also finished just outside the AP, as the
first "others to recieve votes" (or as the Y fan would say, #26).But many Coug fans insisted AP is what mattered.Aside from
the overall record of 10-3, there were a great many parallels between this BYU
team and last year's Ute team (Cupcakes, narrow come from behind victory against
a rival, blow-out home loss on National TV, etc.). Sure there are a couple of
differences (Utah beat more winning teams/bowl winners, but their losses were
late).Congrats to the 2011 Cougars.
I see that despite moves to a new conference and independence, not much has
changed in Utah.While BYU fans enjoy another Top 25 finish, Utah
fans throw another jealous whine fest.Life is good.
After reading the comments on this board, and having followed this rivalry for
most of my 45 years, I really think we have sunk to a new low. As my name on
this board says, I am both a Ute fan and an active Latter-Day Saint. I am
assuming that the majority of the posters on this board, especially the BYU
fans, are also active LDS. How quickly we forget what matters. President
Uchtdorf gave a talk in October 2010 general conference called "Pride and
the Priesthood". He mentioned sports as an arena where a fan base is
painted a certain way by another fan base. I think both sides are guilty of
this. I, like most of you, enjoy the rivalry, and some good-natured ribbing is
OK, I believe. In my own ward, we have fun with the rivalry. I'm married to a
BYU graduate, and we have fun with it too. But ask yourselves, has this gone too
far? If we did missionary work the way we talk sports, nobody would ever want to
join our church. "We're better than you" is the tone of this whole
conversation. Are we at all following the Savior? Seriously.
haha all you ppl talkin about how the rivalry has sunk to a new low did you
happen to catch the bama/auburn special on espn yesterday? that rivalry is 10x
worse than this one. ITS A RIVALRY! thats how its supposed to be. thts what
makes it fun, all the trash talk and chest beating. but in all honesty byu and
utah fans have the utmost respect for BOTH teams even if they dont wanna admit
it. its just always more fun to argue whose team is better imo.
@sportsfanforlifewell said man, who honestly cares whose ranked who
at this point. next season is a whole new ball game. that's the beauty of
college football. it can easily go either way, byu and the U. needlesstosay, man
what a bunch of hicks
Ute fans must be thrilled to have beat a TOP 25 team!
@y4lyfe yeah somethin the y cant say they accomplished this year and still
somehow in the top 25... oh wait its cause sc wasnt eligible haha your pitty top
25 ranking LOL
Utah sometimes beats Top 25 teamsBYU usually finishes in the Top
25The main difference between BYU usually being ranked and Utah not,
BYU seldom loses to mediocre or bad teams.Kyle lost to every MWC
bottom dweller - New Mexico, Wyoming, Colorado State, and UNLV.Bronco was
undefeated against New Mexico, Wyoming, Colorado State, and UNLV.Kyle lost to two 10-loss teams.Bronco has never lost to a 10-loss
team.Kyle has one conference championship.Bronco has two.
"sportsfanforlife @y fans- so that means byu is better than texas, notre
dame, auburn, washington, mississipi state, penn state, Florida, and
mizzou??"Yep, pretty much. The BYU team at the end of the
season could beat any of those teams (including my Gators). After all, if Utah
could beat BYU 54-10 then anything could happen.
TrollPolice | 6:10 p.m. Jan. 12, 2012 Salt Lake City, UTUtah
sometimes beats Top 25 teamsBYU usually finishes in the Top 25The main difference between BYU usually being ranked and Utah not, BYU
seldom loses to mediocre or bad teams.Kyle lost to every MWC bottom
dweller - New Mexico, Wyoming, Colorado State, and UNLV.Bronco was
undefeated against New Mexico, Wyoming, Colorado State, and UNLV.Kyle lost to two 10-loss teams.Bronco has never lost to a 10-loss
team.Kyle has one conference championship.Bronco has two.--Kyle is in a BCS conference.Bronco is not.
didn't utah kill byu? nough said